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Title:ase
Moderator:SMURF::GROSSO
Created:Thu Jul 29 1993
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2114
Total number of notes:7347

1871.0. "*Unique* subnet required for MC interface in TCR?" by NETRIX::"orendorf@alf.dec.com" (Jason Orendorf) Sat Feb 08 1997 00:36

Customer has a private WAN with it's own version of NIC to distribute IPs.  
He's installing TruCluster on 4.0B machines.  According to TCR docs, the
IP of the Memory Channel interface must be on a subnet dedicated to the
TCR.  Does this really mean that for a two member cluster, 255 addresses are
unusable?  Or does the subnet just have to be unique from the local
ethernet(s)?

I guess the real question is what type of routing occurs between Ethernet and
MC...if none, then the subnet just needs to be different from any ethernet
interfaces, right?  Or not?

Help/pointer appreciated...

-Jason
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1871.1SMURF::PBECKPaul BeckMon Feb 10 1997 15:571
    See topic 1342.
1871.2Selecting a subnet for the MC physical networkNETRIX::"williams@alpha.zk3.dec.com"williams@wasted.zk3.dec.comFri Feb 28 1997 13:3167
Why does the TruCluster product require a separate
subnet for the MC, memory channel, network?

        There are several answers to this question
        The cluster memory channel is a separate and
        distinct physical network on which only cluster
        members reside. If you attempt to use/share another
        network subnet address with the TruCLuster MC subnet
        you will run into the following problems:

        1. The current RIP protocol does not support routing of
        broadcasts across a subnet which spans multiple physical
        networks. This will break any networked application which
        utilizes broadcasts.

        2. Since at least two cluster members must be acting as
        gateways to provide application availability there would be
        multiple gateways interconnecting two physical networks
        within the same subnet. This condition is not supported
        by the current proxy ARP protocol.

        3. The traffic on the MC physical network needs to
        be tightly controlled to prevent saturation
        from outside sources.

        4. The traffic on the MC physical network needs to
        be contained such that the cluster does not
        saturate an outside subnet with its internal
        subnet traffic.

        5. Subnet based security with ifaccess.conf is used to
        prevent an outside node from spoofing or impersonating
        a cluster member.
What subnet address can I use for my cluster?

        The best answer to this question is to use your local
        network configuration and administrative methods and
        allocate a subnet according to your current model of
        subnet allocation. If you have no such method or if
        subnet addresses are a scarce commodity you must be a
        bit more creative.

        NOTE: IP addresses must be managed carefully to prevent
                colisions of the address space.

        It is important that you choose a subnet address which
        is not already in use. The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
        (IANA) has reserved, in RFC 1918, the following three blocks
        of the IP address space for private internets:

                10.0.0.0        -   10.255.255.255  (10/8 prefix)
                172.16.0.0      -   172.31.255.255  (172.16/12 prefix)
                192.168.0.0     -   192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)

        It is also important to choose addresses and netmasks that are
        suitably subnetted to match any already existing subnets or
        networks in your distributed environment. In general this means
        to be sure to use a compatible broadcast mask with respect
        to the other subnets in your network.

        Use commands like "nslookup" to check if an IP address is 
	already in use.

        NOTE: RFC 1918:  http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/rfc/rfc1918.html


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1871.3WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly, Alpha Servers, DTN 223-4375Mon Mar 03 1997 13:1013
    
    >    It is important that you choose a subnet address which
    >    is not already in use. The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
    >    (IANA) has reserved, in RFC 1918, the following three blocks
    >    of the IP address space for private internets:
    >
    >                10.0.0.0        -   10.255.255.255  (10/8 prefix)
    >                172.16.0.0      -   172.31.255.255  (172.16/12 prefix)
    >                192.168.0.0     -   192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)
    
    Thank you!  Now I understand why we can do this!
    
    - Sean