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Title:Sports Memorabilia
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Moderator:SCHOOL::KOPACKO
Created:Wed Aug 27 1986
Last Modified:Thu May 08 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:730
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636.0. "Reality, Why This Hobby Is Dying???" by TWOBA::HAYES () Thu Apr 21 1994 13:14

    Okay, I've been trying to collect Drew Bledsoe Cards. Yet everytime
    I thought I had a majority, another "one or two" would appear.
    So I took the Beckett's (Future Stars and Football, if I looked he's
    probably in a Basketball or Baseball Beckett's too) and listed all the
    cards and variants. Then I added new cards not in Beckett's and
    a few I had that weren't/won't be listed. Here's what I came up with:
                                                                                

        COMPANY          CARD   COMMENTS  BECKETTS
________________________________________________________
     4-Sport Acetate       6                 $8.00
   4-Sport Draft Star      48                $2.00
       4-Sport LP          1    4 in one     $5.00
    4-Sport LP Jumbo       5    4 in one     $5.00
    4-Sport LP Jumbo       1                 $5.00
       4-Sport Lp          10                $5.00
    4-Sport McDonalds      2                 $2.50
   4-Sport Power Pick      8                 $2.00
    4-Sport Tri-Card       5                $12.00
       Action Pack        163                $8.00
       Action Pack        43G     24Kt     $140.00
         Bowman           280               $10.00
         Classic           1                 $1.25
     Classic 4-Sport       91                $1.00
   Classic Draft Star      1                 $4.00
      Classic Gold         1                $10.00
       Classic LP          1                 $8.00
 Classic NFL Exp. Insert  ???                ???
 Classic NFL Experiance    61                ???
    Classic NNO Jumbo     NNO               $10.00
   Classic Proline Prv     5                $15.00
   Classic Super Hero      2                $15.00
    Collector's Edge      FX8                $4.00
    Collector's Edge      FX8G    Gold      $80.00
    Collector's Edge      262                $8.00
     Fleer Prospects       1                $10.00
         Gameday           11                $6.00
Gameday Rookie Standouts   1                 $8.00
         Pacific          435                $3.00
      Pacific Prism        61               $18.00
  Pacific Prism Insert     3    Triangle    $16.00
  Pacific Prism Insert     3     Circle      $4.00
  Pacific Prism Insert     3      Gold      $25.00
     Pinnacle Rookie       1                $60.00
         Playoff          295                $7.50
  Playoff Cont Rookies     2                $25.00
 Playoff Contender Promo   I                 ???
   Playoff Contenders     117                $4.50
 Playoff Rookie Roundup    2       set      $16.00
    Power Draft picks      17     Gold      $12.00
    Power Draft picks      17                $3.00
   Power Update Impact     2                 $3.00
 Power Update Prospects    1                 $3.00
 Power Update Prospects    1      Gold       $9.00
         Pro Set          270                $3.00
Pro Set College Connect.   10                $2.50
   Pro Set Rookie QB's     1                 $6.00
      Proline Live        174                $3.00
Proline Live Future Star   3                 $3.50
    Proline Portraits     475                $2.50
          Score           308                $2.50
      Score Select        166               $12.00
      Skybox Impact       361                $3.00
  Skybox Impact Colors    361                $5.00
   Skybox Prem Rookies     2                $32.00
     Skybox Premier        7                 $5.00
                                                                                

        COMPANY          CARD   COMMENTS  BECKETTS
______________________________________________________________

    Skybox Redemption      1                 $2.50
    Skybox Redemption      2                $10.00
      Stadium Club        280                $6.00
      Stadium Club        504    1st Day    $25.00
      Stadium Club        504                $1.75
      Stadium Club        280    1st day   $110.00
     Stadium Club Super Bowl                   ???
          Topps           400     Gold       $3.50
          Topps           130     Gold       $7.00
          Topps           400                $1.25
          Topps           130                $3.00
      Topps Finest        ???                ???
 Topps Finest Refractor   ???                ???
      Triple Folder        10                ???
  Triple Folder Insert     4                 ???
          Ultra           283                $5.00
      Ultra Rookies        3                $12.00
        Upperdeck          83                $1.00
        Upperdeck          11                $3.50
 Upperdeck Rookie Exch.    2                 $8.00
      Upperdeck Sp         9                $12.00
        Wildcard          141                $3.00
  Wildcard Back to Back    5               $100.00
     Wildcard Chrome      141               $30.00
  Wildcard Field Force     87                $5.00
  Wildcard Field Force     87     Gold      $15.00
  Wildcard Field Force     87    Silver     $10.00
  Wildcard Field Force     87    Chrome     $80.00
   Wildcard Red Hot Rk     48               $10.00
   Wildcard Red Hot Rk     48    Chrome     $80.00
  Wildcard Stat Smasher    34     Gold      $48.00
  Wildcard Stat Smasher    34               $16.00
 Wildcard SuperChrome Rk   34               $16.00
________________________________________________________
    
This is 89 different cards. The total Beckett's is $1,298.25.
This does not include value's for: Finest, Finest Refractor,
NFL Experiance, NFL Experiance Insert, Triple Folder, Triple
Folder Insert, Gold Pacific Prism, Playoff Contender Promo
and the Stadium Club Super Bowl cards.

If you know of others let me know. I'll update this list.

I wonder if this contributes to some people being turned off to
    this hobby 8*(
    
    By the way I have 64 of the above with 2 more coming from
    Redemption cards.................
    
    Food for thought,
    
    Steve
     
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636.1back to basicsDRAGN::BOURQUARDThis is not hereThu Apr 21 1994 13:5518
>> Reality, Why This Hobby Is Dying???

Your list pretty much sums it up for me, Steve.  After trying to track all the 
Upper Deck variants (hobby, collector, investor, swindler...), and then
all of the Ultras, Stadium Clubs, Flair...I gave up on all of them and went
back to what got me into collecting 27 years ago, Topps.  Basic, simple Topps.
(I also like Conlons because of all the old players my father used to talk
about.  I'm amazed at all the names I recognize from his stories.)

I'm just sticking with regular Topps baseball and basketball.  It's a lot
more fun.  I can pick up a few packs hear and there at just about any
variety or drug store.  Even though that's not the most economical way to 
fill a set, it's a lot more fun and a LOT cheaper than chasing the premium
cards and inserts.

Dan

P.S. anyone want to buy my gold cards?
636.2Sometimes I wonder why I even do it anymoreMSDOA::PARKERJThu Apr 21 1994 14:1114
    Hey,
    
    pretty much feel the same, I will buy a few new boxes when I get the
    fever, but only hockey and usually low end.  Score, topps, and UD.  I
    think that it really sucks that product comes out and the factory wants
    50+ a box.  Give me a break.  I would rather buy one or two older
    Bruins cards, which I am doing.  I tried collecting a few baseball
    players I liked but I just couldn't keep up.  I ahve not bought baseball
    for 2 years and I don't even recoginize the names any more. I go to
    card shops and I ask what sells, the older stuff never does its weird. 
    If your in it for the money God Luck to ya, I find it difficult to even
    sell major stars these days.
    
    Jon 
636.3too much indeedSMAUG::FLOWERSIBM Interconnect Eng.Thu Apr 21 1994 14:5110
Funny, I've started doing the same thing as Dan in reply .1   I've gone back
to just Topps (hockey for me)...and mostly just picking up packs here and there.

>Why This Hobby Is Dying???

Card companies don't think so...  There must be more sets out now than ever.
In fact, I heard on the radio this morning that there's going to be Nancy
Kerrigan cards (88 card set).

Dan
636.4Me too...STUDIO::GUTIERREZCitizen of the CosmosThu Apr 21 1994 15:589
    
    	That's exactly the reason why I gave up on collecting sports
    	cards, now I just concentrate on Non-Sports, and even if there
    	are quite a few non sport sets coming out these days, at least
    	it's only 2 or 3 at the most producing a particular subject, not
    	15 or 20 companies putting out the same baseball/football/hockey/
    	basketball stuff year after year.  
    
			Juan
636.5it's going on insaneCFSCTC::BUTLERFri Apr 22 1994 11:1110
    
    Yeah but the point some enjoy collecting one player and you
    don't stand a chance because by the time you THINK you have all of the
    93's of Bledsoe along comes the 94's in 12-93 !!.
    
    I concentrate on Stadium Club but still you want to go all out for a 
    top dog in a sport. It's just damn hard trying to keep up with 
    all the companies producing Molitors. *(8)>
    
    al
636.6subliminal collectingRECV::TANCILLSponsered by nobodyFri Apr 22 1994 18:1019
    
    I have gotten very frustrated as a team collector (totally pissed).  
    In trying to collect Redskins (degrading to native americans) cards 
    I have just about given up on the 1990s (lousy decade).
    
    It really got gross in 92 (card companies are money grubbing scum), 
    93 there must have been 20 different football sets (try 40), I thought 
    that couldn't last, but it seems 94 will be just as bad too (card
    company scum has gotten even worse, charging more and more per box).  
    Who is buying all these different football issues?? (Steve Hayes),
    what kind of a "collector" can possibly keep up?? (someone with
    loads of $$ and loads of free time).
    
    I'm still filling in older years, at least there are usually just
    one or two sets per year for most early years and I don't have to
    worry about any of those lovely high priced inserts (won't be worth 
    shit in 5 years)
    
    jeff (with apologies to Kevin Nealon)
636.7SALEM::GALLAGHERMon Apr 25 1994 17:323
    insert cards =to many subsets
    
    
636.8BSS::G_MCINTOSHTouch Not the Cat, Bot the GloveTue Apr 26 1994 23:26120
	You're absolutely right.....as a team collector, there're FAR 
too may cards and subsets to have to go through.  As y'all know, I'm 
a Charger team collector and here's what I had to go through to find 
the 1993 Chargers.  That's 112 card sets...count them 112!
 

    1993 Action-Packed
    1993 Action-Packed Moving Target
    1993 Action Packed Gold
    1993 Action-Packed Rookie Update
    1993 Action-Packed Rookie Update Gold
    1993 Action-Packed NFLPA Award Winners
    1993 Action Packed Monday Night Football
    1993 Action Packed Monday Night Football Gold
    1993 Bowman
    1993 Bowman foil
    1993 Classic
    1993 Classic Silver Foil
    1993 Classic Gold Set
    1933 Classic NFL ProLine Live
    1933 Classic NFL ProLine Live
    1993 Classic NFL ProLine Live LP
    1993 Classic NFL ProLine Live Gold
    1993 Collector's Edge 
    1993 Collector's Edge Rookie Update
    1993 Collector's Edge F/X 
    1993 Collectors Edge FX Gold
    1993 Ditka's Picks NFL
    1993 Dog Tags
    1993 Fleer 
    1993 Fleer NFL Prospect
    1993 Fleer Rookie Sensation
    1993 Fleer Fact Chargers		
    1993 Fleer Ultra
    1993 Fleer Ultra Checklist
    1993 Fleer Ultra Ultra Star
    1993 Fleer Ultra League Leader
    1993 Flintstone/NFL Cards
    1993 Flintstone/NFL Promo
    1993 GameDay
    1993 GameDay Second Year Star 
    1993 Heads & Tails
    1993 McDonald's GameDay 
    1993 McDonalds/Gameday Cards 3 sheet Charger set
    1993 Pacific NFL 
    1993 Pacific Prism
    1993 Pacific Gold
    1993 Pacific Triple Folder
    1993 Pinnacle
    1993 Pinnacle Hall of Fame
    1993 Pinnacle Dufex Rookies
    1993 Pinnacle Team Pinnacle
    1993 Pinnacle Team 2001
    1993 Playoff
    1993 Playoff Playoff Connection
    1993 Playoff Contenders
    1993 Playoff BoxTops
    1993 Playoff Rookie Roundup
    1993 Pro Set NFL			
    1993 Pro Set NFL All Rookie
    1993 Pro Set NFL Rookie Running Backs
    1993 ProSet Power
    1993 ProSet Power Gold
    1993 ProSet Power Power Moves
    1993 ProSet Power Power Moves Gold
    1993 ProSet Power Power Combo
    1993 ProSet Power Power Combo - Prism
    1993 ProSet Power All Power Defense
    1993 ProSet Power All Power Defense Gold
    1993 QB Legends
    1993 Score
    1993 Score the Franchise
    1993 Score Men of Autumn
    1993 Score Select
    1993 Score Metallic Young Stars
    1993 SkyBox NFL Impact
    1993 SkyBox NFL Impact Gold
    1993 SkyBox Impact Rookie Redemption
    1993 SkyBox Premium NFL 
    1993 SkyBox Premium NFL Costacos Brothers
    1993 SkyBox Premium NFL PrimeTime Rookies
    1993 Sports Illustrated Kids
    1993 Topps
    1993 Topps Franchise Player
    1993 Topps League Leaders
    1993 Topps Team Leader
    1993 Topps Field General
    1993 Topps Gold
    1993 Topps Franchise Player Gold
    1993 Topps League Leaders Gold
    1993 Topps Team Leader Gold
    1993 Topps Field General Gold
    1993 Topps Black Gold
    1993 Topps FantaSport Chargers	
    1993 Topps Stadium Club
    1993 Topps Stadium Club 1st Day Production
    1993 Topps Stadium Club Members Only
    1993 Upper Deck
    1993 Upper Deck Star Rookie          
    1993 Upper Deck All-Rookie Team
    1993 Upper Deck NFL Hit Men
    1993 Upper Deck Charger Checklist
    1993 Upper Deck Future Heroes
    1993 Upper Deck Pro Bowl
    1993 Upper Deck Team MVP
    1993 Upper Deck SP
    1993 Upper Deck SP All-Pro
    1993 Wild Card
    1993 Wild Card Red Hot Rookie
    1993 Wild Card Field Force
    1993 Wild Card silver Field Force
    1993 Wild Card gold   Field Force
    1993 Wild Card silver Stat Smasher
    1993 Wild Card gold   Stat Smasher
    1993 Wild Card SuperChrome Rookies
    1993 Wild Card SuperChrome Rookies Back to Backs
    1993 Wild Card SuperChrome NFL


	Live from Charger Central......Glenn
636.9Card Companies Did OverkillMKOTS1::AMIRALIANTue May 03 1994 17:5820
    
        How about Too many card companies got greedy at the same time.
        Instead of going for quality, they flooded the market with
        gimmicks. There are subsets, gold cards, series I & IIs. The
        card market is oversaturated. 
    
        Hint: DO NOT SELL TODAY !! HANG ON TO ALL YOUR CARDS !!
    
        Once the overkill is done, then watch the value of cards pre-1992
        take off !! Then, there were fewer subsets and cards to go around
        making these cards more desirable in, say 1998 or 2000. This is the
        time to BUY ONLY, and the older sets as prices Drop, e.g. 1989
        Upper Deck Baseball once at $200 complete set now down to $140 and
        less.
    
        One set I will buy are the Kerigan's, but I want the bad Girl too.
        Who's doing Tonya ?
    
        Alan A
    
636.10Speaking of Nancy K.....USCTR1::PAVLOCKTue May 03 1994 20:4414
    
    I know this is not of major interest to many in this notes file, but
    since both of my daughters are skaters (actually both have skated on
    the same ice as Nancy and Paul) does anyone have any info on the Nancy
    Kerrigan cards?
    
    I've heard it's going to be sold as wax, not sets, but I have not heard
    much other info about her cards.
    
    Any help will be appreciated!
    
    REgards,
    Denny
    
636.11The LOOOOOOONG way roundASABET::KELLY_MWed Jun 29 1994 16:0820
    The long way round....
    I do some catd shows as you all know.  The shows are terrible and to
    pass the time we usually get into stream of conciousness (sp) 
    discussions - Example : Does anyone have an Oswald Cobblepott Rookie
    Card, wasn't he drafted by the Penguins, he's a winger, his cards are 
    priced at a fin.  Another example - Thw Witness protection program
    Subset, wh's in it, how many cards, double prints.
    
    Well my dream is that Flair puts out a 10.00 pack that has all inserts
    except for one card that can be used to build the regular set. 
    Hopefully they will be issued in regions ( probably six) in Rack,
    Jumbo, regular packs, sets and vendor cases with updates for
    each, and of course there will be hobby and retail all available
    also in gold and silver.. Oh and don't forget the mail ins and
    the special packs for Sams and BJ's and Gas stations.
     THen and only then will we start back to
    reality.  I know its the long way around.....but it will probably get
    us there.
    
    Mike