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Title:Sports Memorabilia
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Created:Wed Aug 27 1986
Last Modified:Thu May 08 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:730
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27.0. "Variations & Errors" by BMT::FERRES () Fri Jan 29 1988 11:49

    Who's interested in variation cards - e.g. 1958 yellow letters,
    1969 white letters, C vs G Nettles, etc (as opposed to printing
    errors, like blank backs, etc)?  I am - I'd love to find old
    quality variation cards.  I do have many now, but need more for
    my collection.  They're tough to find - they're not all that
    popular, so dealers don't always bring them to shows, or list
    them in advertisements.  On the other hand, dealers are smart
    enough to know that variations are more rare, so prices are
    often set way too high, now.  Also, decent quality can be hard
    to find.  How are things in your area?  Does anyone care?
    
    ..........steve
    
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27.1HITEST::PARADISOOh Mr. Donoho, Mail CallFri Jan 29 1988 12:3714
   I'll let you guys in on something that a dealer I know very well told me.
   In the 1988 Topps set, there are cards of Keith Comstock of the Padres
   that have the word "PADRES" in white lettering instead of the yellow.
   This card WAS corrected and your odds in getting one in a set are 1
   in 19.  Getting them in a wax pack is difficult, because they stopped
   putting his card in the packs when they discovered the error and just
   now are placing it in the packs again (corrected). 

   Of course he's no superstar but a card like that is usually worth about
   15 times its normal value.

							Dave
   
27.4this and thatIND::FERRESWed Feb 03 1988 11:4812
    Last weekend I picked up:
    1982 Pascual Perez (no position) - hard to find, and expensive,
          but I got a good deal.
    several 1974 Washington Nat'ls
    A pair of Mattingly trademark/no trademark variations.
    
    Hmmm, I didn't realize that that white/yellow was a variation
    rather than a printing error - thanks, I'll keep my eyes open
    for it.
    
    ..........steve
    
27.6HITEST::PARADISOOh Mr. Donoho, Mail CallTue Feb 09 1988 14:1812
>    What if I have a blue-letter variation?  (*SERIOUSLY*)
>    
    								-rjk

     Blue?  I haven't heard of a blue one!  I'd hold onto it Roy, you never
     know you might have something special.  I can't see a Blue Padres card,
     because the name of the team almost always is a color of the teams
     uniforms.  It must look GROSS! Aren't the Padres brown and yellow?


									Dave
27.7It worked for rookie prices.DISSRV::NORRISWhat is it, Miss Pfeffernuss?Tue Feb 09 1988 19:0636
    I think there are two types of variations; Something went wrong
    and color/minor/wording errors. Something went wrong are the cards
    like the Washington Nationals error. The other type is foolish.
    Big deal, Mattingly didn't have a trademark on his All Star card.
    It was a minor error and that's all. Not a complete bunder. And
    the fools in the trade rags promote this sort of thing! They have
    people with zero social life sitting at home with the cards under
    electron microscopes looking for errors, example:
    
    Dr Baseball Card God; I have a 1960 Hank Aaron and noticed that
    the third blade of grass to the right is taller than the rest of
    the blades, was this grass fixed to the correct length and 
    re-released, what is the value of my card? - John Bugeye
    
    Mr Bugeye; that card never was corrected and you can find the worth
    in our daily price guide now on sale at newstands across the country
    for only $19.95 or subscribe now and save $1.00 over a five year
    period.

    Dr Baseball Card God; My 1955 Chevy Belair was hit by a bus and
    totally ruined. Do you know if the body shop has fixed it yet? -
    Bob Greaser

    Mr Greaser, that car never was corrected and you can find the worth
    in our daily price guide now on sale at newstands across the country
    for only $19.95 or subscribe now and save $1.00 over a five year
    period.
    
    Bleeeeeeeeeeeech!
    
    If these idiots at the rags stop this foolishness, Roy wouldn't
    be worried about blue letters, It's a coloring error! Let's talk
    real variations, Marc Sullivan's 1988 card which has a variation
    of his real picture and then corrected picture of a can of Alpo.
    
    Ed
27.9HITEST::PARADISOOh Mr. Donoho, Mail CallWed Feb 10 1988 12:427
   Roy my son,

        Don't let those cardboard savers get to you!


							- Dr. Card God -
27.10DISSRV::NORRISWhat is it, Miss Pfeffernuss?Wed Feb 10 1988 16:5721
    Roy, my "attack" was not against you but the whole idea in general.
    Read your BBC Magazine and look at the stuff people think are errors,
    then ask if it has corrected and what's it worth. The standard
    answer is NO and buy our new price guide. I notice color differences
    also, but some of these guys want to know if the Buckner card was
    corrected because he's listed at 208 lbs. and the media guide has
    him at 209 lbs.
    
    I wish I was a card printer, I'd make a mint! Oooops to much Red
    in the lettering, hold cards for a few years, write to magazine
    and the "variation"... Ooops picture printed backward... Ooops
    forgot the position... etc. There are no laws on the printing of
    cards, unlike money and stamps where variations are fixed and
    destoried before ever hitting the public. Sometimes I think the
    card companies do this on purpose just to sell more cards.
    
    To everyone: don't be afraid to ask/comment, if we all agreed
    on everything it would be a boring world, besides Tony and I need
    something to mouth off on :-)
    
    Ed
27.12I wonder if there are any more?NETWRK::GSMITHDouble Trouble Mon Mar 21 1988 15:5213
     Talk about variations... You guys here about the guy who saw a
    box of Wheaties with the 'World Champion Denver Broncos' pictured
    on it? He apparently was buying a box of cereal, and saw this 'slight'
    variation.
    
    He has already been offered $10,000 (ten thousand) dollars for it!!!
    I guess there were boxes of BOTH the Redskins and Broncos made up
    so that they would be out the next week. The boxes with the loosing
    team were destroyed... or supposed to be..
    
    I guess there are some variations worth noting  8*)
    
     Smitty
27.14TALLIS::DIFONZOWed Apr 20 1988 17:575
    Can anyone tell me what the variations with 1988 Topps Al Leiter
    and checklist #6 are?
    
    Thanks,
    	John
27.15Al is not himself todayAKOV85::GARAHANWed Apr 20 1988 19:215
    I Believe the variation with the Al Leiter card is that it is actually
    the picture of someone else.  I can tell you who if I look it up
    tonight.
    
    						Tim Garahan
27.16> Errors <REMACP::RICHARDSONThu Apr 21 1988 13:276
    The picture is of Steve George for #18b, I dont know of the checklist
    #6 error, but there is two variations of card #778 / Keith Comstock.
    It comes with 'White' Team letters or 'Blue' Team letters on front,
    the blue letters are most common.
    
    -John 
27.17Reissue4973::AARONSONThu Apr 21 1988 15:153
    TOPPS is going to reissue another card with the correct picture
    on it. Should be out soon. Can only guess what that means to the
    Steve George ones.
27.19TALLIS::DIFONZOThu Apr 21 1988 16:446
    Roy,
    	Since I don't know what Leiter looks like how can I tell the
    difference? Is this other player also in the set?
    
    Thanks,
    	John
27.21> Gary Pettis Error?? <REMACP::RICHARDSONFri Apr 22 1988 20:2216
    Is anyone familiar with this card of Gary Pettis when he was with 
    the California Angels:
    It is a picture of his 16 year old brother on the card instead of
    himself? A fellow I work with asked me to look it up for him, he
    said another guy he knows has one and showed it to him and pointed
    out the picture difference.
    
    My cards look normal, he was sure it was TOPPS, but then again -
    who knows.  Any ideas? Values? Sure, some variations are a
    difference of .10c common/ $2.50 error, some are .10c common/$70.00
    error.
    
    
    -John
    
    -John
27.22Anyone hear about this?TALLIS::DIFONZOTue Apr 26 1988 17:419
    Could anyone out there who has 1974 Topps check on this for me.
    I have a Ray Burris ( his rookie card) that I think may be an error.
    You will notice that on  this set the backs are horizontal with
    the number in a circle that is also in a horzontal position. I have
    a card and the number is in a vertical position. I was wondering
    wether this is an error or not. The card is #161.
    
    Thanks,
    	John
27.23Looks like an error but not a variation.LDYBUG::HUNTVAX HacksWed Apr 27 1988 12:4414
    I checked mine (I only have one 1974 #161) and its the same as you
    describe.  While this is obviously an "error", it's not a "variation"
    unless they corrected it at some point during the run. "Error" cards
    are seldom worth more than normal cards.
    
    One problem with "variation" cards is determining which variation
    is scarcer.  I remember the "Bump Wills" variation a few years back
    where I think he was printed for two teams.  While the cards were
    still available in stores some ads were selling BOTH variations
    for $3 to  $6 dollars!!!  It was a while before people agreed which
    one was scarce (I think it turned out that neither was especially
    scarce).
    
    -Russell
27.24TALLIS::DIFONZOWed Apr 27 1988 12:565
    Thanks Russell,
    	I thought it probably wasn't a variation since I've never seen
    it listed in any price guide, just wondering. You never can tell.
    
    John
27.25> Question Answered 143.23 <REMACP::RICHARDSONMon May 02 1988 18:0812
    
    
    	ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE..
    
    	I just looked through this months Beckett guide/May and on 
    page 22 is my answer to #143.23.. "In 1984, Gary Pettis--then a
    rookie with the Califorinia Angels--jokingly sent his teen-age
    brother (Adam) to pose for Gary's 1985 FTC." 
    
    Ted (   ?   ) is a photgrapher for DONRUSS.
    
    -John R.
27.261988 Topps variationsLDYBUG::HUNTVAX HacksFri May 06 1988 17:1127
    In the May 6 issue of SCD they list:

                                                   MT        NR MT
18  Al Leiter (no "NY" on shirt, photo
               actually Steve George) and         .80+        .60
18  Al Leiter ("NY" on shirt, correct photo)      .80+        .60

along with

778 Keith Comstock (white team letters) and      1.25+        .90
778 Keith Comstock (blue team letters)            .15         .11

as the only corrected errors in the 1988 Topps set.  (No mention of
Checklist #6.)

    As I've mentioned before, I make a distinction between error cards
and variations.  Variations are errors that were corrected at some point.
Ever try to impress someone (non card collector) with an error?  "Yeah,
see Joe Nobody here throws left handed but they show him throwing right!"
You will get blank stares of "Who cares?"

   BUT, show them two cards, identical except the pictures are different,
and you can usually pique their curiosity. Its interesting at least.
(Color variations fall somewhere in between.  It will usually only interest
card collectors.)

-Russell
27.27Variations in the 1988 Topps insert cardsMANTIS::HUNTVAX HacksFri May 06 1988 20:2712
    OK variation fans, this is the moment you've all been waiting for.
    It has been discovered (and reported in SCD) that there are no fewer
    than three (3) variations of the Special Offer insert cards.  To
    the lower right of the sample card picture are the words "Cards
    Not Included". Variation #2 has a Black arrow covering the words
    and variation #3 has no words and no arrow.
    
    They suggest variation #1 seems to be the most scarce.  They also
    preface the paragraph with "Is everyone aware (or should I say 'Does
    anyone care')...?"  They also mention that they have no value.
    
    -Russell
27.28Pictures Mixed upCASINO::MCAULIFFEFri Sep 09 1988 12:028
    Re -.1
    
    Tony,
         The Kieth Moreland variation from the '88 Fleer set is his
    picture;  it's actually a shot of Jody Davis ....
    
     -Dan
    
27.29IAMOK::NORRISWhat is it, Miss Pfeffernuss?Fri Sep 09 1988 14:043
    Jody Davis is a catcher, so look for a mask :-)
    
    Ed
27.30a newfound interestBMT::FERREStemporary spaceWed Sep 14 1988 11:5612
    re: .32,.34,.35
    Gee, Tony is this the same guy from .8?
    Are you finally seeing the light and actually gaining an
    interest in variations?
    Watch out gang, this guy is dangerous when he starts getting
    strong opinions!  :^)
    
    Next thing we know, Tony might get interested in printing
    errors as well :-)
    
    ..........steve
    
27.31wish i had '58 yellow lettersBMT::FERREStemporary spaceFri Sep 16 1988 11:4210
    nah, Tony, it's just that I figure that if you actually DO
    get interested in variation cards (like all of us sensible
    people :-)  then maybe you could help me complete my collection
    of 1958 Yellow Letter variations ...
    
    anyone out there know where there are EX-MT older variation
    cards?
    
    ..........steve
    
27.32connectionsBMT::FERREStemporary spaceMon Sep 19 1988 11:5410
    interesting comment Tony - for those of you who aren't variation
    freaks:  '58 Yellow Letter variations, for instance have become
    VERY difficult to find in Nr Mt condition at REASONABLE prices
    in the course of the last several years.  Almost the only way
    to find such animals now is via 'contacts' - as Tony is pointing
    out, our hobby and its enjoyment thrive on the people involved
    much more so than on most dealers, shows, publications, etc
    
    ..........steve
    
27.33Mike Greenwell blank-backSMURF::BREAUMon Oct 03 1988 13:5647
I read a lot of the responses to this topic, so I'll
add mine.  I was surprised that a lot of people were
joking about so-called variation cards.  My bet is that
as the hobby of baseball card collecting gets older (for
all practical purposes, the hobby is about 12 - 15 years
old, compared to a few hundred for stamp and coin collecting),
error or variation cards are going to be very valuable.  It's
just a matter of the law of supply-and-demand coming up
against the rapidly growing number of baseball card 
collectors.  Hey, let's face it, each one ouf
of us has his own sad tale of how his mom tossed away those
worthless cards.

Anyway, a few months ago I opened a wax pack and found a
Mike Greenwell blank-back.  I was miffed until I realized
what it really meant.  So, I went to a card show where
many dealers (who obviously wanted it) told me it was worth
a couple of bucks.  However, ONE dealer said, "Hey, don't
listen to any shit from these other clowns, just HOLD ONTO
THAT BABY for a while."  He gave me the address of a dealer
in Rhode Island whose specialty is variation/error baseball
cards.  I don't have it with me, but I'll find it and put
a note here soon.

By the way, does anyone know what it's worth?  I'm considering
trying to get Greenwell's autograph on the back, but would
that ruin its intrinsic worth as a genuine baseball card
rarity?

- Jim (can also be reached at ravine::breau)
< Note 143.0 by BMT::FERRES >
                              -< Variation Cards >-

    Who's interested in variation cards - e.g. 1958 yellow letters,
    1969 white letters, C vs G Nettles, etc (as opposed to printing
    errors, like blank backs, etc)?  I am - I'd love to find old
    quality variation cards.  I do have many now, but need more for
    my collection.  They're tough to find - they're not all that
    popular, so dealers don't always bring them to shows, or list
    them in advertisements.  On the other hand, dealers are smart
    enough to know that variations are more rare, so prices are
    often set way too high, now.  Also, decent quality can be hard
    to find.  How are things in your area?  Does anyone care?
    
    ..........steve
    

27.34NAC::G_WAUGAMANTue Oct 04 1988 02:539
    
    
    I never had any cards autographed, unless it was something that
    I didn't care about.  But isn't a blank-back card a printing error
    (i.e. defect) rather than a variation?
    
    glenn
    
    
27.35THOTH::BIGLEYMon Dec 18 1989 11:424
    
     Does anyone know the value of the '89 Fleer Ripken error card?
                 
     Rick
27.36CSC32::G_GEIGERBo knows GIGI and ADA, nice girls!Mon Dec 18 1989 12:5812
    Rick,
    
    Which error?
    
    If it is the nasty one, then I would say that it will have to go
    up sooner or later because it is the original error.  However, the 
    scribble could be worth a little more because fewer were produced.
    The black box will never equal the other two.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Glenn
27.37THOTH::BIGLEYMon Dec 18 1989 14:355
    
     Thanks. $25 sounds right. I bought and '89 Factory Fleer for $23
    and the guy wanted $50 with the Ripken error included.
    
    Rick
27.38WHELIN::DIFONZOTue Dec 26 1989 15:245
    Did anyone hear about a Nolan Ryan error/variation card in one of this
    years sets?
    
    John
    
27.39ZAYIUS::BROUILLETTEIt's all in the windows...Tue Dec 26 1989 15:564
In the Donruss set.  I guess that there are around 10 errors in the Donruss
cards that have been found so far!  Boxes of Wax are going for $35 on average.

Mb
27.42ZAYIUS::BROUILLETTEIt's all in the windows...Wed Dec 27 1989 11:525
I've got one of each of the Ryan errors that I'll let go for the $25 apiece.



Mb
27.4329376::G_GEIGERBo knows GIGI and ADA, nice girls!Wed Dec 27 1989 18:289
    Re: ....Selling the stuff by companies.
    
    I'm getting to the point where error cards are more of a bother 
    than a thing to collect.  It just seems to me that all the companys
    do is turn out error cards.  Take for example the Ryne Sandberg (3B)
    error, anyone with any kind of brain knows that Ryno plays second base.
    
    NUFF SAID
    Glenn
27.55Ozzie Newsome birthdateEBBV03::MONDALTOTue Jan 09 1990 09:3215
    While I was brousing through my Football cards,I noticed the 
    Topps (FOOTBALL) card of Ozzie Newsome's birthdate,does not 
    match the Topps 1989 birth date. Could someone please tell me
    Which of these cards is in error.............John
    
                                      
         #110  AFC ALL PRO     1980  Birthdate  3-15-56
         #151                  1989  Birthdate  3-16-56
                                                           
    
    
    
    
    
27.52Good help is so hard to findDEALIN::DIFONZOMon Jan 15 1990 16:059
    Yes this is a racket. I said jokingly to myself, I've got to get my
    cards early because they are the ones that will contain the errors.
    I agree with John, just say no. You can blame the make a quick buck
    dealers but, the fault has to partly rest with the greedy
    collector/invester/gambler ( whatever ) who buys the packs at these
    ridiculous prices. Amazing how many error cards have been produced
    since '87.
    
    John 
27.53DEALIN::DIFONZOMon Jan 15 1990 16:107
    And another thing, every show you go to these dealers are selling these 
    errors (meaning they think the errors have peaked ). Let me ask you
    this, when was the last time you saw a Joe Montana rookie at a card
    show? I think some of these collector/invester types get what they
    deserve. When will they ever learn?
    
    John
27.54more disgustFSTVAX::JMAXWELLTue Jan 16 1990 18:0718
    The "hobby" has definitely gotten so out of control that I have given
    up buying cards.  I only go to shows featuring Hall of Famer guests.
    I get a few things autographed and enjoy meeting some of Baseball's
    Greats.  Whatever I have signed, I know cannot be replace by a new
    "variation" in a high priced wax-pack.
       In my opinion, if you collect cards for the "sake  of collecting" go
    for the old stuff (back in the days of just 1 company and limited
    quanities).  You can still get a Spahn or Aaron for just a few dollars.
    These guys have proven themselves! wheras what has a Ben Mcdonald
    proven?
       On the other hand, if you buy cards as an investment, then Good Luck
    getting your money back 5-6 years down the road.  I really feel that 
    the bottom will fall out of this "hobby" in a few more years when a lot
    more of us "common folk" respond to the card companies anouncements of
    errors and variations with a loud ----WHO CARES?
    
    Just my own opinion---------Jeff
    
27.58Error card question from a new guy.HPSTEK::SCHWARTZBack in BlackThu Feb 08 1990 14:0521
      Before you guys fall off your chairs laughing at some of the questions
    that I might ask from time to time, keep in mind that I am so new at
    this that I can,t even be classified as novice yet.
    
      With all tha ado about error cards, I noticed that some dealers are
    asking as much as $30 for Harold Baines star error card. Why has no 
    one made any ado about the line running thru the "S" on Sergio Valdez's
    card  No. 3???????  Btw it has been corrected. I have Two w/this (??)
    error, but I have not seen it at a show or even mentioned anywhere.
    Don't they consider this an error? I also have another since they
    consider the star an error. Diamond King No. 3 ...I have 4 of these
    cards where the index mark does not run to the top of the card.There is
    a mark at the bottom, but nothing at the top. This has been corrected
    also.....what gives? is this an error and if it is why doesn't anyone
    know about it. They both seem as stupid as the star error and a damn
    sight more rare.
    
      I would expect that the Ryan backs error prices will drop quickly. We
    have 8 pairs of'em. It is common. 
    
      Do error cards ever gain value as collector's items???
27.59ooops! make that card No. 405HPSTEK::SCHWARTZBack in BlackThu Feb 08 1990 15:132
      correction: that should have been card 405 Sergio Valdez.
    
27.60My sons drivin me "NUTS" !!!SA1794::DANIELETThu Feb 22 1990 15:474
    	Does anybody out there have a list of "Hoops" errors/variations
    ???  Are color variations common ?
    
    					Tony
27.61CSC32::G_GEIGERThat dog will hunt!....Thu Feb 22 1990 16:4321
    Hoops erorrs........
    
    Spud Webb, on the back says "signed free agent contract on ??/??/89"
    The corrected would be, "85"
    
    Coach Bikerstaff (SP?) has a wrong birthday, "1944" is the corrected.
    
    Orlando Woolridge, no 'TM' on the lakers logo on back.
    
    Coach John McLoed, NBA logo is in the pitcher on the back, corrected
    has the logo removed.
    
    And maybe there is a Cotton Fitzsimmons error, I have yet to see a
    corrected.  There is no NBA logo on the card.  Maybe this is just a 
    variation.
    Also there might be a Willis Reed error, where it says college the
    error says "Gambling" as opposed to "gRambling", but I have not seen
    any errors.
    
    Want some, I've got 'em!
    Glenn Geiger
27.62Goin Round Comin RoundASDS::KELLYThu Mar 29 1990 19:116
    re .60
    See Becketts Basketball Price Guide-The one with Jordan on the cover
    a complete list is enclosed.  You might want to visit your local
    friendly card dealer.
    Does anyone else see the poetic justice-Your son is interested in Hoops
    errors.  It goes around. 
27.63YELLOW 90WMOIS::DION_RTue Apr 24 1990 14:289
    
    
    
    NEED INFORMATION ON A CARD I BOUGHT. IT IS A 1990 FLEER #353
    DAVE MARTINEZ WITH THE 90 ON THE TOP IN YELLOW INSTEAD OF RED.
    HEARD IT WAS VERY RARE CALLED A PLACE IN N.Y. DOES NOT KNOW
    ABOUT IT. BEEN TO CARD SHOWS NOBODY SEEN OR HEARD OF IT EITHER.
    
             
27.6487D BrantleyCLOVE::JACUNSKIThu May 03 1990 13:325
    I noticed my 1987 Donruss Mickey Brantley (#656) has a reversed back,
    i.e., the back is upside down when compared to others in a stack whose
    fronts are all oriented the same.  Have any of you ever heard of this
    one, and was it corrected in the factory set (I'm sure my card was from
    a wax or rack pack)?
27.66No factories involved?CLOVE::JACUNSKIThu May 03 1990 20:235
    Thanks, Roy. I'll check the rest of the batch, which numbered about 800
    cards, but Brantley was the only wrong-way that caught my eye. The
    reason I wondered is because it's unlikely I'd have a single
    factory-set card in this batch, which I believe all came from wax or
    racks.
27.67USWAV1::VINTONThu May 03 1990 21:155
    I have several with reversed backs also.  A dealer somewhere told me
    that Donruss manufactures cards at 2 locations and for some unknown
    reason in 87 they reversed the backs between the two.
    
    
27.68THOTH::BIGLEYMon May 07 1990 19:506
    
     I opened an '88 Fleer update set and there was a Tommy Gregg card in
    there and the guy pictured did not look like him. ie.. wrong skin
    color. Is anyone aware of this error or are there two Tommy Gregg's?
    
    Rick
27.69UERUSWAV1::VINTONMon May 07 1990 20:144
    Becketts has 88 Fleer update card # U113 as an uncorrected error card
    worth $.30.  I guess that must be what you have.
    
    
27.70Odibbe & OddibeEBBV03::MONDALTOFri May 18 1990 17:067
    I just found an overlooked 1990 error Oddibe McDowell. Card #145
    Upperdeck.
    
    The card reads,      Odibbe McDowell on both sides.
    
                               John
    
27.71No asterisk, eitherSAGE::JACUNSKIWed Jun 20 1990 13:574
    Who is the all-time major league single-season homerun leader? Roger
    Maris? Babe Ruth? No sir, it's none other than that slick-fielding Red
    Sox shortstop, DON BUDDIN. You don't believe me? Check out his 1961
    Topps card.
27.72CSC32::G_GEIGERSorry, don't walk to dog!Wed Jun 20 1990 14:024
    What is the card number?
    I've got, what seems to be, a billion '61 commons.
    
    GG
27.73BSS::G_MCINTOSHVom Hochland German ShepherdsThu Jun 21 1990 20:0615
    Yesterday I purchased a 1974 Topps Football #101 (Gary Garrison) that
    had 1972 (not 1973) statistics on the back.  My other #101 had 1973
    stats on it.
    
    Last week I saw the following errors on 1990 Fleer Football:
    
    	#10 Montana -  yardage and completions switched.
    		       31000+ completions for only 200+ yards.
    
    	#82 I saw both Randall Cunningham and Byron Evans with card #82.
    
    Not an error just a note:  Fleer90 - #1 Pick Jeff George, card #664 (I
    think it was 664).
    
    Live from Charger Central.....Glenn
27.75This Buddin's For YouSAGE::JACUNSKIFri Jun 22 1990 13:443
    re .72
    
    Don Buddin's 1961 Topps card is #99.
27.76CSC32::G_GEIGERSorry, don't walk the dog!Fri Jun 22 1990 15:225
    Glenn,
    
    The Jeff George Fleer card is number 669.
    
    GG
27.77QuestionUPWARD::KAPLANsubtlety..SUBTLETY..&lt;&lt;S U B T L E T Y&gt;&gt;Mon Jun 25 1990 14:534
    I am not understanding something.  The Fleer 1990 football set I have
    only has 400 cards (+25 specials).  How can any card be numbered 6xx?
    
    								phil
27.78BSS::G_MCINTOSHVom Hochland German ShepherdsMon Jun 25 1990 15:426
    Don't know Phil, but I do know that I saw it, held it, smelled it, etc.
    
    Does anyone know how many Chargers are included in the 25 All-Pro cards
    that Fleer 1990 has put out?
    
    Thanks.....Glenn
27.79CSC32::G_GEIGERSorry, don't walk the dog!Mon Jun 25 1990 20:5610
    ***********Error report***********
    
    In the Fleer '90 FB cards, there is a Bobby Humphries
    error card.  You get to guess which Humphries!  :*|
    
    The Jet's defensive back is on the front, but the
    Broncos running back is on the back.
    
    Go figure,
    GG
27.80Confusion reigns, Humphery vs HumphreySALEM::ALIZIOThu Jun 28 1990 12:3513
    
    
    re. .79
    
    Bobby Humphery plays for the Jets.
    
    Bobby Humphrey plays for the Broncos.
    
    If the card spells the name as "Humphries", it is a double error.
    
    
    						      -	Paul
    
27.81CSC32::G_GEIGERSorry, don't walk the dog!Thu Jun 28 1990 14:254
    Well then I think that .79, written by me, is an error.
    Sorry, errors are everywhere!
    
    GG
27.82ERROR #639 ????WAV13::MITCHELLThu Jun 28 1990 22:137
    HELP
    
    IS #639 JACK MORRIS A ERROR.
    I HAVE ONE WITH A BLACK LINE THAT GOES THROUGH
    THE J IN JACK.
    
    THANKS DAVE
27.83CSC32::G_GEIGERSorry, don't walk the dog!Fri Jun 29 1990 05:375
    I assume '90 Donruss Baseball?!
    
    If so, it is not an error, but a variation.
    
    GG
27.84DONRUSSWAV12::MITCHELLFri Jun 29 1990 21:135
    SORRY I FORGOT TO TELL YOU WHAT FIND OF 
    CARD IT WAS, AND YES IT WAS A DONRUSS
    
    THANKS DAVE
    
27.85CHFS32::HMONTGODitto-headSun Jul 15 1990 14:084
    I have three of these but the variation does not add any value.
    
    		Ben
    
27.86'85 DONRUSS CORRECTIONS(SEAVER/PENDELTON)ELMAGO::JVERGOThu Aug 02 1990 16:0617
    
    GANG,
    	I'M NEW TO COLLECTING AND HAVE JUST PURCHASED A COMPLETE SET
    OF '85 DONRUSS BB . IT WAS HAND COLLATED. NEEDLESS TO SAY I WAS
    NOT AWARE OF THE SEAVER AND PENDELTON ERROR/CORRECTION ISSUE.
    UPON GOING THROUGH THE SET I DICOVERED I HAD A SET THAT CONTAINED
    THE ERRORS AND NOT THE CORRECTIONS. WELL, I WAS UPSET ABOUT THIS
    AND CALLED THE DEALER RIGHT AWAY. HE WAS VERY DEFENSIVE AND SAID
    HE WOULD REFUND MY MONEY AND THAT ONLY THE COMPLETE CONTAINED THE
    CORRECTIONS. I SAID WELL WHY DID YOU CHARGE ME THE TOP PRICE IF
    I WASN'T GETTING THE BEST SET. 
    	ANYWAY, COME TO FIND OUT THAT THOSE CORRECTIONS ARE HARD TO
    FIND AND WILL COST 2 TO 3 TIME BOOK. 
    	I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.
    
    					JIM@ABO
    
27.87Don't Flip Your Burnoose!SAGE::JACUNSKIMon Aug 06 1990 17:3310
    Jim, I don't think you were getting hosed, unless you got charged way
    over the book price.  The corrected cards appeared only in the factory-
    sealed sets, the errors only in wax and rack packs.  When the errors
    were discovered, everybody got all excited (just as with this year's
    Donruss Ryan errors), but the prices came way down by the end of the
    year and haven't done much since. I think you might be talking a $5-$10
    difference between the errors and correction, really negligible in a
    set that goes for $125-$175.  Usually, when someone advertises a
    "complete set," it does NOT imply that all variations are included.
    
27.88Some Variation with pricesSOFBA1::BELISLEMike Belisle MRO4-1/H20 297.3324Wed Sep 05 1990 12:2332
    1990 Fleer Football

    10A Montana	    Err	    $9.00
    10B	Montana	    Cor	    $1.50
   289A Butler	    Err/Err $9.00   Punter/P   
   289B	Butler	    Cor/Err $3.00   Placekicker/P
   289C Butler	    Cor/Cor $ .15   Placekicker/PK

    1990 Pro Set Football

    15A Stanley	    87/8    $5.00
    15B	Stanley	    87/86   $ .25
    19A Ware	    Err	    $3.00 (no Traded Stripe)
    19B Ware	    Cor	    $5.00
    63A Dixon	    Err	    $4.00 (missing Bio)
    63B	Dixon	    Cor	    $ .35
    68A	Wyche	    Err	    $3.00 (missing Bio)
    68B	Wyche	    Cor	    $ .10
   110A Holland	    Err	    $7.50 (missing name on back)
   110B Holland	    Cor	    $ .10
   111A Kemp	    Err	    $9.00 (Ken Stills on Back)
   111B Kemp	    Cor	    $ .30
   319A Perkins	    Err	    $6.00
   319B Perkins	    Cor	    $ .10
   343A Hinton	    Err	    $4.00 (no Traded Stripe)
   343B Hinton	    Cor	    $ .20

    CC2    Tagliabue	$ 11
    SP1    Stewart	$ 11
    669    George	$ 10
    xxx    Lombardi	$500
27.89source please..WRKSYS::SCHWARTZWed Sep 05 1990 16:033
    
      What source are you using for prices on these variations?
    Most are way off from those I have seen in SCD.
27.90SOFBA1::BELISLEMike Belisle MRO4-1/H20 297.3324Wed Sep 05 1990 17:015
    
>>>      What source are you using for prices on these variations?
>>>    Most are way off from those I have seen in SCD.

    Beckett's October 
27.91'75 Topps Ralph Garr #550SMURF::BREAUBush: KNOW new taxes!Mon Sep 10 1990 16:3110
    
    My '75 Topps card of Ralph Garr (#550) contains an error on the back. 
    Garr was not a pitcher and the column header for his yearly batting
    average reads ERA, instead of AVG.  I'm willing to bet that this is one
    card that has never been corrected, so it's not of any value.  It was
    printed before card companies "accidentally-on-purpose" printed error 
    cards.  If any of you noters do find a corrected version, post it here.
    
    - Jim
         
27.92RAY BOURQE ERRORWAV13::MITCHELLMon Sep 10 1990 21:462
    ERROR ON A RAY BOURQE CARD GOING FOR 25$.
    BOURQE WAS SPELLED BORQE, SORRY DON'T KNOW WHAT SET.
27.93Any knowledgable Classic Card Collectors???EBCOT::ALPERINMon Nov 26 1990 13:358
    Does anyone know what the errors are on the Classic Card NL hits Kings 
    (Clark and Gwynn) and Bay Bombers (Clark and Mitchell)?  I noticed in
    the Tuff Stuff there were errors with the cards and I was curious as
    to the error...
    
    Thanks, 
    
     Bob
27.95EBCOT::ALPERINMon Nov 26 1990 16:257
    John,
    
    Thanks for the info...In the Tuff Stuff it does have '(err)' next to it
    and one have a $6 price tag compared to .40 cents...Quite a price
    difference for a variation...
    
    Bob
27.962 for the price of 1EBCOT::ALPERINTue Nov 27 1990 14:318
    Here is another one...My brother has a 90' Upper Deck card with 
    Erik Hanson (#235) and the front and Cal Ripken on the back (his
    picture and his stats, #266).  What is its worth??  And it isn't 
    2 cards stuck together....Is this a known error (wasn't in any guides)
    does anyone know of players on the front with different player on the
    back???
    
    Bob
27.98EBCOT::ALPERINTue Nov 27 1990 17:136
    John,
    
    When you say they want alot of money, how much are you talking???  He 
    wants to sell it, but doesn't want to get 'taken' by a dealer...
    
    Bob
27.100WRKSYS::SCHWARTZWed Nov 28 1990 14:594
    
     ...Or they can be cut from waxbox tops. This was done by a certain
    young dealer at the Marlboro show a couple of months ago. Don't worry,
    he's not there anymore.
27.101RDOVAX::BRAKERich Brake in VirginiaWed Jan 09 1991 13:0519
    re  Note 27.71 by SAGE::JACUNSKI
    
    >    Who is the all-time major league single-season homerun leader? Roger
    >    Maris? Babe Ruth? No sir, it's none other than that slick-fielding Red
    >    Sox shortstop, DON BUDDIN. You don't believe me? Check out his 1961
    >    Topps card.
    
    
    Funny, I just picked up a 1957 Topps Don Buddin and it lists him as
    hitting 66 HR's in 1956. I haven't seen his '61 card but it seems this
    error went undetected for at least 4 years.
    
    For any of you old enough to actually remember Don Buddin, this is
    really quite amusing. His nickname was "Bootin' Buddin" since he was a
    shortstop version of Dick Stuart. 
    
    Rich
    
    
27.102RE: #639 JACK MORRIS ERRORSAHQ::GARDSat Jan 12 1991 17:365
    
 YES, IT IS AN ERROR.  I HAVE ONE WITH A LINE TROUGH THE J ALSO.
    
    REGARDS BRIAN
    
27.103Blank back cards (sky box)TEMPE::RABINOSun Aug 04 1991 19:0713
    
     Hello,
    
     My son opened a box of Sky Box II, and it had two
    cards that had blank backs. Have any notes file
    readers seen this type of card before? I do believe
    its a printing error. But I'm just curious if anybody
    has any cards like these. The players are Joe Wolf
    (Denver Nuggets) and Tim Mc Cormick (Atlanta Hawks).
     
    
                          Have a nice one,
    ted
27.105Blank backsTEMPE::RABINOMon Aug 05 1991 11:5514
    
    Thanks John,
    
     On the reply, ever since I told my son about this 
    note file he's been asking me to ask that question
    about the blank backs. But I also got several 
    out of a box, a Erwin Johnson and some others. Yes,
    I've heard about the Upper deck cards being able to 
    do that, the eraser trick that is. A dealer wanted to
    buy the Erwin I had but I said I'll hold on to it for
    a while.   
    
    
    ted
27.106Reused Staubach photoZENDIA::SCHOTTMon Nov 22 1993 15:0815
    Over this weekend, I noticed that my 1974 and 1975 Roger Staubach
    cards are the same picture, slightly difference posing.  I have
    a '73, '74, and '75 Staubach and when put next to each other,
    the 74 and 75 have the same bandage on this left elbow, same 
    notch in his hairdoo, same facial stubble, etc. etc.  The '75 photo
    used was obviously shot during the '74 photo shoot.  I'm sure
    that happens a lot.
    
    
    					Eric
    
    p.s. I think this happened this year in the Topps baseball set with
    Gary Gaetti and some catcher.  One photo show Gaetti sliding into
    home, the other shows the catcher tagging him out.  Both are blowups
    of the same photo.