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    		SMK in Hudson Ma is taken pre-orders on the UpperDeck
    FootBall for $21.75 a box or $500 case, bad news is that 7/17 is
    the last day to put in your orders, I just found out yesterday.
    There number is 508-562-7898 ask for Rickey Henderson or Steve
    Sardella for more information.
    I'm not into football I'm just passing the word around but, they will
    be happy in hearing from you.
    
    Miguel

    The rumor mill is saying that 700 dealers filed suit against
    upper deck today in a class action opposing the lottery system.
    Apparently this will slow down shipment by 4 months.   
    
    Also the NBA has let UD know that they ( the NBA ) will control
    distribution of UD Basketball.
    
    Any other information???
    The above are rumors.
    Mike

    
    What lottery system is this Mike?  First I've heard of it...
    
    								-rjk

	Roy,

	I know your asking Mike Kelly, but let me give it a try. Mike let me
	know if I'm wrong..

	Lottery System :  Many baskets of order forms from dealer across the
	country are sitting in Upper Deck's main office. Data Entry personnal
	grab one envelope at a time and key's into your computer terminal the
	dealers name, address and the amount of case's that dealer has ordered.
	The Computer system keep track of the amount of case's Upper Deck has 
	produced and subtracts that dealers order from the total cases produced.
	After a day of doing this Upper Deck's supplier has been depleted. Oooh
	but, wait one minute there are still hundred's of envelope's still in 
	the baskets. What do we do?

	Lottery, I think means randomly selected.

	These cards should sky-rocket in price!

	Upper Deck guaranteed each dealer 2 cases. If the dealer wanted more
	they could order as much as 22 cases more.

    Lottery .07 is right.  Big Bob will magically get 500 Cases.
    
    Other Notes: No they don't cut the amount ordered.  They cut all that
    they can print.  
                 Did anyone notice that SCD had an article about 
    skybox showing up in retail chains?  I told you so!!!!
                 Southboro.   All of the Stadium Club cards were
    printed in Southboro.  Packs, boxes, cases and uncut sheets 
    are usually available for short money because they are 
    toasty warm.  Be careful.  Is it a sting????
    
    Mike 

    
    Please keep discussion of TSC in note 269.
    
    Please keep this note relegated to the discussion of UD Football.
    
    I try my best to move notes to their appropriate places, but a lot
    of times discussions get into ratholes of RELATED topics.
    
    I received a mail message from an upset reader who feels that the
    UD FB denigrated like all the other notes.  Unfortunately, I agree
    with him, but I also disagree with him.
    
    This whole notesfile is devoted to sports memorabilia.  Granted,
    98% of it is sports cards, but each topic does have it's own note,
    or a new note for that topic can be started.
    
    However, on the disagree side, if we're talking about something
    that's up with UD FB cards, and something similar happened with
    another brand, dealer, noter, card-show, whatever, and that
    discussion gets picked up, I don't see a problem with it.
    
    All I'm asking is that people please try and reply to the appropriate
    note when discussing something.  We even have a general piss and
    moan note somewhere in the notesfile.
    
    								-rjk

    
    	
    	For all of those (myself included) who pre-ordered UD Football thru
    	SMK in Hudson, here is bad news.  I just went over there today, and
    	he told me that they got their check back.  He said that UD sold 
	out the first day.  They selected orders at random and filled them
    	out, and when they were sold out, whoever was left out didn't get
    	any.  That's what he told me, believe what you will. If you are
    	suspicious about this, so am I.

    
    I'd write a letter to SCD.  They took your money, cashed your checks,
    whatever.  They should be responsible for filling your order --   no
    matter what it takes.
    
    Even if SCD does nothing, it will prevent them from advertising in
    SCD if enough people complain.
    
    

    The guy in downtown Maynard also said they sent him back his check, un-
    cashed, saying sorry, sold out on first day....
    

	The guy is telling the truth; it's common knowledge that UD couldn't
	fill all of the orders.

	However, if the guy took your money, he's obligated to divide the
	two cases he got (everyone was guaranteed at least 2 cases), equally
	among the people he took money from.

	Ron O.

    
    
    Couldn't *or* wouldn't.

    
    For those unaware, Upper Deck has produced a 50-card football set
    for Domino's.
    
    The cards are given away as part of their "quarterback challenge"
    promotion.
    
    Order two medium pizzas, and 4 cokes for $9.99, and receive a pack
    of the cards.
    
    Cards come 4 per pack (foil pack), and are what you expect from UD
    -- nice stock, nice look, hologram, etc.
    
    The promotion began August 3rd (1 week ago), and is on for 3 weeks
    only.
    
    I saw the packs at the show in Sturbridge yesterday.  Prices ranged
    from $1.50 to $5.00/pack.  Singles were selling on the average of
    $2 to $3 each.  Complete sets available for $40-50.
    
    -rjk

    
    
    	And Domino's pizza delivers also. Sounds like a good deal. 
    	I think I'll have some this week.

    Was at a show on Sunday and UD FB was there going for $2.25 a pack.
    $69.00 a box.  The dealer selling them was saying that the price is
    high because these cards were shipped from the west coast and that UD
    FB is sold out but hte price might come down when the rest of the
    people receive there orders.
    
    Ken

    
     Which UD football cards were going for $5.00 and above?
    Does anybody have the checklist? They are some nice look-
    ing cards. 

    
     Just got my box of UD football and they look pretty nice.
    I got seven holograms 4 Bobby Humphrey and 3 Thurman Thomas.
    The series special card consist of a autographed Joe Montana
    but I was'nt lucky enough I guess, but I did get a couple Dan
    Mc Guire's and Russel Maryland's. 
     Thier is a Bo Jackson card included in this set, but those
    holograms are a nice addition to the set. I also seen a Dan
    Mc Guire at a shop fron the Domino's sets they are going 
    for $10.00 bucks.
    
    ted

    
    
    	I went to a card show over the weekend at the Holiday Inn in
    	Dedham, and dealers were selling UD Football wax boxes for as
    	high as $50 and as low as $39. The dealer who was selling them
    	for $39 were 2 young guys, and they were selling a lot of them.
    	I asked him if he had a lot of them, and he said he had about
    	another case left. 
    
    	There was a dealer who was selling the empty wax boxes.  Yes, you 
    	heard that right, empty wax boxes for $5 each!!!. Isn't that 
    	incredible ???. I can't imagine anyone buying an empty box just to 
    	get the picture of Joe Montana on the bottom. I know I wouldn't.
    
    	
                     

    
    
    	On one of my previous notes I mentioned that one of the girls at
    	Rotman's had said that they would definitively have UD Football
    	this week.  I called them today, and they said they that they will
    	not have them for another couple of weeks.

	At a show in Prov. R.I. this past weekend the 'Game Breaker'
	Holograms where selling for 7.50$ ea., and they where selling
	like hotcakes.

	The Montana Football Heroes where selling for 1$ ea

	For those of you that are unaware, the Game Breaker Holograms
	will be distributed in both series, GB2,GB3 and GB5 in series I,
	and GB1 and GB5 in series II.

    I was able to pick up 3 boxes of UD football at a show this past
    weekend and Hurricane Bob gave me time to open and collate them.
    
    I'm kind of disappointed at the distribution.  It looks something
    like this:
    
                         BOX 1       BOX 2       BOX3
    
    Card #1 - 99          17%         12%         14%
         #100-199         18%         17%         15%
         #200-299         29%         38%         34%
         #300-399         18%         18%         19%
         #400-500         18%         15%         18%
    
    Needless to say, I'm loaded with dups in the 200 range and have many
    missing cards in the 1-99 range.
    
    Has anyone else noted the distribution on boxes you've opened???
    
    

    
     Did you get any complete sets (1-10) of Joe Montana?
    How about any Emmitt Smith Holograms? Somebody told
    me they were in their but I've yet to see one. I just 
    need one more card to complete my Joe Montana set.
    
        		ted

    I've got 2 Thomas (sold 1 for $10) and 2 Smiths in about 11 packs
    so far... haven't been able to buy boxes yet...
    
    -Walt

    
	RE: .30
    
    	You got a good deal by selling the Thomas Hologram for $10, at the
    	card show I went to this past weekend, the dealers were selling
    	all the 3 different Holograms for $3 each, and they were not
    	selling that well.  I bought one Smith, just to have one.
    	I bought a box for $39, but haven't opened it yet.
    

    
    I got all Humphrey holograms in one box, with most every pack
    containing at least one double, a couple packs had triples.
    This is ok once and a while (when the double is somebody good :-),
    but in every pack is ridiculous.  I think I'll write a letter to UD.
    
    I'm part way into the second box I got and getting no doubles within
    a single pack, maybe just a bogus box.
    
    jeff
    

Has anyone seen the SP1 card yry. I got one and wondered how rare it is??

It is Football's Fastest Man (Derrick Coleman??)

Also there are 10 cards in the Montana set ,the first card has NO NUMBER.


John Potucek

    Just bought a box and got 7 Emmit Smith Hollograms,not bad huh !
    Oh,I for got to mention Big Al Aker,O.K. Al !
    
                                               John
    
                 

    
    re .33  I thought football's fastest man was Darell Green, #28 for
    Washington Redskins (hail to the redskins, hail victory, braves on
    the warpath, fight! for all D.C.)
    
    I'll have to look thru the cards I opened, because I thought I saw
    a regular card about D.G. being football's fastest man.  Perhaps I
    didn't notice the number was sp1.
    

    
>>    re .33  I thought football's fastest man was Darell Green, #28 for
>>    Washington Redskins (hail to the redskins, hail victory, braves on
>>    the warpath, fight! for all D.C.)
    
       You're probably correct, that's why I put a (?).

        I would suspect that they are probably pretty rare, as only you and I 
have even seen one. We would DEFINITELY know for sure if any of the 
"Eagle-Eyes" in this conference have seen one, as there would be all sorts of 
responses.


JMP

    
    Since I haven't bought any UD FB yet, I haven't been glomming them
    too closely at shows (except to look for xlists for The Saint), 
    other than to see if prices have come down to a reasonable range.
    
    They haven't yet, so I haven't any yet, ergo, this eagle eye is
    closed.
    
    But I'd probably put that card in a safe-deposit box and consider
    your first-born's college tuition to be all taken care of.  If I
    were you and had one of those cards I mean.

    
    I checked and it is indeed Darrell Green on the SP1 card.  I'm not
    sure how rare the SP1 is though, I hit another one in some packs
    I picked up at a show.  Maybe I got lucky, time and Beckett's will
    tell, although I doubt it will have the appeal of the Jordan SP1,
    even if the Green SP1 is "rare".
    
    jeff
    

	John, 

	You have to be kidding! I opened up about 7 packs over the weekend
	and on my last pack I find an SP3 "The Tortoise and the Hare", it
	has both Darrell Green and the Fridge racing down the football field.
	Boy, are we lucky..!	I told my daughter as soon as I got home.

    
    I did see SP4 for sale this weekend.  Had a picture of a bozo
    in a jeep with a royals plate on the front, and some clown with
    sharpies in his pocket protector.
    
    Was called something like "Two For Tony's Turnip Truck", or
    something like that.

	The 500 cards set is selling for 25.00	37.50

	Some big cards

		#5	Russell Maryland   .50	 1.00	RC
		#7	Dan McGwire	  1.50	 2.50	RC
		#18	Todd Marinovich	   .75	 1.50	RC
		#172	Emmitt Smith	  1.50	 2.50
		#444	Barry Sanders	   .60	 1.25

	That's it!

	

>>	The 500 cards set is selling for 25.00	37.50

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   If you REALLY think you can find a set at this price, then Massachusetts 

                         budget is running in the Black!


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	re: -.1

	What are you high?

	This was from Beckett's price guide. It has nothing to do with
	Massachusetts or any other state for that matter.

	

    
    RE: .44,.45
    
    	Mike, I think what he's trying to point out is how ridiculous
    Beckett's listed price is for this set.  If you took that Beckett's
    price and went looking for the UD FB set -- you'd be sorely
    disappointed -- most espececially in Massachusetees.
    
    	It's long been espoused by myself and others in here, that
    Beckett's is pretty useless here in Mass., UNTIL the prices have
    settled down.  So ... since UD is fairly recent (3-4 weeks at
    best), the price Beckett's prints is going to be unrealistic
    for us.  And will be for some time.
    
    
    	I now have two NEW things to add to this  discussion:
    
    
    	- Did anyone see the recent ad by New York Card Company in
    SCD?  They had CASES of the UD/Domino's FB packs available.  So
    much for UD/Domino's efforts to prevent store managers selling
    them out the back door, eh?  It's either that or now that the
    promotion is over, UD or Domino's is flooding the market.
    Personally, I believe it was the managers since NYCC is the only
    one I've seen with anything other than packs available.
    
    
    	- I am *completely* unimpressed with this year's set.  I
    mean the cards are very nice, typical UD quality, but I opened
    one box.  I'm missing nearly HALF the set (174 to be exact).
    I got 7 stereograms -- all the same damned card!
    
    	I did do pretty well on the Football Heroes/Joe Montana subset.
    Except some jerk scribbled on two of 'em -- talk about quality
    control problems ...
    
    -rjk

    
    Does anyone know how many different holograms, excuse me, stereograms
    there are?
    
    I've seen listed in this note - Bobby Humphrey ( I got 7 in my one
    box -- anyone want to trade), Thurman Thomas, and Bruce Smith --
    any others?

    You mean Emmitt Smith, right?

    Roy,

    GB2	    Thurman Thomas
    GB3	    Bobby Humphrey
    GB5	    Emmit Smith

    GB1 and GB4 will be issued in Series II

    anybody got an extra GB5

Seriously, guys....

Has anyone seen else the SP1 card (Darrell Green) yet?

Anyone on "Sportsnet" heard about any kind of price on this??

Thanks,
John Potucek

    
    
    I saw it this weekend at a card show.  Dealer wanted $12.  Asked him
    why so much since there's not a lotta demand for Darrell Green cards
    in general.
    
    Stammered out something about the Michael Jordan SP card from baseball.
    
    I'd wait.  Just like the MJ cards, they'll begin showing up, the price
    will begin going down, ...
    
    -rjk

    I collect only hockey cards but a friend of mine is into UD Football
    and she says that she has read the checklists and there is no Jim
    Kelly(QB-Buffalo)card. Does anyone have a full set that can verify or 
    explain  if she is right or wrong? 
    
    P.S. She has his card from the UD Dominoes set.
    

	Here are some excerpts from an interesting article that appeared
	on the periodical "Restaurant News".

	Title:	Domino's Pizza throws flag, calls back NFL Kick-Off Deal

	Sub-title: Two managers fired, others investigated for 'illegal
			procedure' during football card promo.

	by Theresa Howard

	ANN ARBOR, Mich.- Domino's Pizza recently found itself scrambling to
	recover from some unexpected problems created by a football card
	promotion that prompted the dismisal of two unit managers and the
	investigation of four others.

		The cards -- each depicting one of 50 National Football 
	League quarterbacks -- were meant only to be issued to customers as
	part of the Domino's Pizza NFL Kick-Off Deal.  Patrons received four
	cards with the purchase of 2 medium cheese pizzas and 4 soft drinks.

		But a demand blitz from card collectors and dealers turned 
	the limited-edition giveaway into a valuable and hotly traded commodity
	Days after kicking off the three-week promotion, Domino's
	discovered that the cards were being traded among unit managers,
	franchisees, card dealers and customers.  One box that contained a
	bulk order was reportedly sold for $5,000.

		Some of the cards were selling for $6 to $12.50, and the
	entire collection is valued at about $125.  "Card dealers even
	approached headquarters directly ", says Mike Jenkins, a Domino's
	spokesman.  "A gentleman from Canada saw them at a card show and
	wanted to know how to buy them direct."

		The cards were in such demand that the corporate headquarters
	literally placed the giveaways under lock and key.  "After 3 days
	we took them out of the corporate units for security reasons", 
	Jenkins explained.  "We also suggested the idea to the franchisees".

		Every company unit originally was issued 2 boxes, each filled
	with 1,250 packs of the 4 card sets.  But security concerns prompted
	Domino's to begin distributing only on a daily allotment to the stores,
	according to Jenkins.

		Two unit managers from the New England area were fired for
	selling the cards, and four others are under investigation by the
	corporation for allegedly selling the cards to dealers.

		The booming popularity stems from the cards' limited
	availability and their distinction as the first football items from
	Upper Deck, a well known marketer of baseball cards.  The promotion
	preceded Upper Deck's launch of its own NFL card line, which was one
	of the reasons why Domino's teamed up with that particular card
	supplier.  Most trading cards are issued with the stamped approval
	of the appropriate player's union, but the Domino's/Upper Deck cards
	lack the insignia.  That distinction increased the cards' desirability.

		"Some of us had forecast that this would happen for those
	reasons", Jenkins said.  Those expectations had spurred Domino's to
	take some measures to discourage pilferage.  For instance, franchisees
	were permitted to purchase a greater allotment of cards than needed
	for the promotion, and employees could purchase a pack of the cards
	at cost.

		"The whole idea was that franchisees could purchase them for
	employees or friends so that there would be less of a chance of
	pilferage," Jenkins pointed out.  "But some franchisees were ordering
	4 or 5 additional boxes".

		"Those instances are isolated, though, and most people are
	doing what they're supposed to with the cards.  Franchisees realized
	that it was a short-term benefit to sell the cards.  If the cards had
	been unavailable at any point during the promotion, it would had ticked
	people off".  "The demand for the cards heightened awareness," Jenkins
	said. "Sales are up."

    	I was at a card shop last night where they were deciding
    	wether or not they should buy a case of these cards.  We
    	talked it over a bit and they felt that $3.00 a pack for
    	4 cards would be the price they would have to chare.  It
    	sure seemed expensive to me.
    
    	Newc

    I picked up a few packs this weekend for $1.25 and I bought a hologram of
    Marcus Allan-LA Raiders (GB9) for $3. All the other holograms were
    going for $4 or $5(Smith, Humphrey, Thomas). I guess its going to be
    like hockey where they produced 9 holograms for the whole set(I & II).
    

    
    
    	At the card show I went to (Park Plaza Hotel in Marlboro) the 
    	Holograms were selling for $2 - $3 each, although some dealers
    	were selling it for more.  You have to shop around for the lowest
    	price, don't buy the first one you see.

    
    Seems like when this novelty stuff first comes out there is alot
    of interest and the prices are inflated. After a month or so when
    supply is abundant and everyone has already swallowed the hook,
    boom... the price fall like a rock. Soon these holograms will be in
    the $1 - $1.50 range.                   
    I for one am not jumping at the promo/hologram hype. The biggest
    reason why certain cards command a high price is because of the
    number of collectors interested in a given number of cards.
    For instance, I think the Jordan card will bottom out at $10-$12
    and go back up from there. Where as the Greene cards will end up
    at $5 or less. Even these promo (Sanders and Montana) are dropping
    right now, I've seen them for $25 and they are'nt moving.
    
    Jim

    Is there a Charger in these UD Football Holograms?  Maybe Butts?
    
    Glenn

    
    Glenn-
    
    	The three KNOWN to exist so far Bobby Humphrey, Emmitt Smith,
    and Thurman Thomas.
    
    	Two rumored to exist are Sanders and Marcus Allen.
    
    	No chargers as of yet ...
    
    -rjk

    
    Sanders does exist, saw one this weekend... $12, the kid said he
    was still loking for the Allen. He said he gets them out of the
    bottom packs of the front 2 stacks of the boxes., For what it's
    worth.
    
    Jim

    Does anyone know what boxes are going for now?  They started at $60+
    and have drifted down to ~$40.  I am sure that they will head into the
    $30s if they haven't already.  I imagine that Upper Deck has to pay for
    its TV commercials somehow and cannot limit printing and distribution
    to only a few cases per dealer (except for Rig Rob and company).
    
    Has anyone seen UD FB in stores yet?  I expect them to show up at some
    point...then fly out.
    
    Lance

    
    
    		I saw UD Football boxes for $35 at the last card show that
    	I attended this past weekend.

    I heard WAL-MART has purchased 25% of the production run for these. 
    Has anyone else heard this or seen these cards at a WAL-MART store?
    
    Jon

    I've seen them for $32...

	At the card show I went to today, I saw a couple of UD FB Game 
	Breaker Holograms I hadn't seen before, they were Marcus Allen,
	and Barry Sanders, and the dealer that had them was selling them
	for $5 each.  No, I didn't buy any.  I'll wait until they come
	down a little.

	At the same show, they was a dealer selling UD FB boxes for $32, 
	and I didn't see anyone buying them while I was there.

    Went to Albany 1st part of the week... I bought 2 Sanders @$3 a
    hologram, 1 Allen for @$3 and Earnest Byner for $2.50.  Also found
    a box where Sanders was prominent and bought a few more packs until
    I got 2 more.  This guy was selling Sanders for $7.
    
    So I have 6, waiting for the last 3....

	Could someone please tell me how many Game Breaker holograms there
	is going to be in this set? I originally thought there was going to
	be 5, GB2,GB3,GB5 in series I and GB1 and GB4 in series II. I guess
	I was wrong. Could someone list the GB#'s in Series I and Series II

	Thanks
	Mike	

    
    So far ...
    
    GB2 Thurman Thomas
    GB3 Bobby Humphrey
    GB4 Earnest Byner
    GB5 Emmitt Smith
    
    GB9 Marcus Allen

    Allen is GB9
    From what I remember
    GB1 Barry Sanders
    GB2 Thurman Thomas
    GB3 Bobby Humphrey
    GB4 Earnest Byner
    GB5 Emmitt Smith
    GB9 Marcus Allen
    
    Here's my guess - nine different UD boxes (Montana bottoms) - 9
    different GB's... you match each box with a different hologram.
    
    Example (just making this up, not quoting facts...)
    Box #1 bottom may have 5 or 6 Humphreys
    Box #9 bottom may have 5 or 6 Sanders
    etc....
    

    
    There's different bottoms on the boxes?  I've only seen one ... of
    course that could explain why I've only seen Humphrey holograms to
    date .... 8^(
    
    Can someone elaborate ...

    I believe it's like this for every Joe M. hero card there is a wax box
    
  with that picture on it.
    
    
    Only may 2cents,
    
    Ken

    I thought there were 9 cards total... The Montana collague doesn't have
    a number?
    
    rjk - Look at the bottom of your box.  There's a picture that's the
    same as one of the Montana series cards.  I'm guess that that MAY
    be a tip off to which box has which holograms in it.  Someone said
    (was it in here) that dealers were selling empty boxes.  Anyone out
    there keep their boxes and know which hologram was in them?
    
    I remember one dealer had the ND Montana in his window and he had
    Thurman Thomas first.  I'll check the box I have at home (E. Smith)
    to see what Montana card is on the bottom of that.

    
    Celinda -- they ALWAYS save the boxes when they're a "card" pictured
    	       on the bottom.  Some people attach premiums to these
    	       things, most do as you do ...
    
    	       I think the term for the un-numbered card is the "title
    	       card".
    
    -rjk

    Not to spoil anyone's theory, but I know I opened two different
    bottomed boxes and in both I got Humphrey holograms.
    
    jeff
    

    And I opened a box with the "first passing title" or whatever on the
    bottom and got NO holograms (but did get the un-numbered announcement
    of the heros sets).
    
    Dick 

    
    My box was "back to back", and had 7 Humphrey holograms.
    
    Hey Dick!  Are you collecting the boxes/box-bottoms for your ND
    collection?
    
    8^)

	Went to a show last night and picked up 3 Barry Sanders (GB1 holograms)
	and 1 each of GB4 and GB9 for $6.

	This is the same show I went to last month and picked up all my Fleer
	football All-Star and Pro-Vision for .50ea

	8^)

    re -2, yup, but I'm not concentrating on that till I get a Theismann
    Dominos, burp.

    I am Jim Buchanan and I have a friend down the road that has gotten
    SP1.Derrel Green fastest man in football.There is a SP2 that has Joe
    Montana on it.Noone I know has it yet.If anyone gets it please leave a
    reply.                                                                                                
                                              Thank You 
                                                     Jim
                                                     

    I bought 2 boxes and came up with all sorts of Holograms. IOne
    box I got 4 Barry Sanders, 1 Marcus Allen, 2 Thurman Thomas's, and
    2 Earnest Byners. For you people out there that don't know anything
    about the boxes,the bottom of the box is a picture of the Hero cards 
    that you will find in random packs, and some Dealers are selling them 
    for $2.00 to $5.00 per box.
    
    I also have opened a couple of boxes and got no Rookies,and not one
    Hologram........... 
    
     John
    

    
    I opened an 1987 passing title and 1989 MVP, both had Sanders
    Holograms.  I'll trade a sanders for either a byner or allen.
    
    I think which holo's are in what boxes has less to do with the
    bottoms then when the packed them in the production run.  Humphrey
    seemed to come out early, along with thomas and smith, later we
    saw sanders, byner & allen show up.
    
    jeff
    

  re:284.91 you are absolutely correct.

            They created two lots of upper deck football cards and
            in the first lot they included smith, thomas and humprey.
            The second lot included byner, allen and sanders.
            The series two set will include the final three which at
            this point nobody has a clue who they will be.

            (maybe jackson, anderson, johnson)

eddie........

    
    Well, at the Joe D show in Andover 2 weeks back, the prices on
    the UD/Domino's cards had dropped dramatically.
    
    Sets were selling for $14 and $14.95 (the two dealers I spoke
    with who had complete sets). Packs could be found for as low
    as $1.25, or 5/$5.  Very few cards, INCLUDING the McGwire
    rookie were demanding much of a premium.
    
    1/2 of the dealers in SCD have these things advertised, and I've
    seen them as cheap as $20 in SCD.
    
    UD or Domino's flooded the market.  Keep an eye out, and you should
    be able to pick these up for a decent price.  And it's a nice set.

    
    Saw the last three Game Breaker Holos this weekend:
    
    GB6  Neal Anderson
    GB7  Marion Butts
    GB8  James Brooks
    
    jeff
    

    
    Yes, so much for them being in the second or update series.  The
    one dealer who had them said they came in what he termed 'the latest
    production run'.  It does seem like they have had quite a few runs,
    the boxes I saw were all still in the $28-$30 range, but I did not see
    anyone moving boxes.  It seems most people know by now that the
    distribution is not so great for making a set and rather than fork
    over another $30, the popular item is the lot of singles the dealers
    have left over.  Most folks are spending their money trying to fill in
    the set and I saw some rather large want lists.  Makes one thankful
    for the "free" trading opportunity afforded by this notesfile and the
    noters who participate.  
    
    jeff
    

I picked up 2 boxes this weekend for $24 each at a show in Bedford, NH.  The prices
are dropping...

    One of the reasons I heard that prices were dropping on this was that
    UD was releasing a factory set.  I've heard AND read both sides of this
    story.  Does anyone have the definitive answer?  Given the expense of
    hand-collating a set, the factory sets would have a major impact on the
    price of wax boxes.  
    
    One dealer said that as soon as you see "dumping" of wax boxes, it
    usually means a factory set.
    
    Any word??
    
    Bill

    
    FWIW, it was reported in SCD that indeed UD would release a factory
    set for football after the football season was over.  So if true it
    won't be coming out for awhile.  I think there are other factors at
    work affecting the price of the wax, a pending factory set just
    being one of several factors (quantity, poor collation, general
    depressed football card market in this area, etc.)
    
    jeff
    

    
    A local dealer has gotten the poop from UD.  There will be high
    number football wax boxes, a high number set, and a full factory
    set.  This dealer is preselling the high number sets for $20, the
    factory set for $50 (factory will not of course contain holos, heroes,
    or sp1).  He expects delivery in dec/jan for everything.
    
    The good news:  supposedly GB6, 7 & 8 holograms will be in the high
    number wax, so all of us should be able to pick those sometime after
    the wax comes out.
    
    jeff
    

    UD gets my vote as the best football card for 1991.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    Bought a couple of packs of the high series yesterday.  There were
    TWO (*2*) high series cards in each pack.  There are over 180 cards
    in the set I guess, since one card I got was # 684.  No one memorable.
    Fortunately one pack had a string of rookie cards in them including
    Pritchard and McGwire or else I'd have been more upset.  I think I'll
    wait to see if a subset comes out or something...  Otherwise, someone's
    gonna have to justify this one to me...
    

    
    They are coming out ...
    
    	o a 200-card hi series.
    
    	o it will be available as a seperate factory unit (like last
    	  year's hockey hi numbers).  seen pre-sell ads in scd for
    	  $17.95
    
    	o in wax-packs, mixed with series 1.  since with their baseball
    	  (15 cards/pack) UD promises an average of 4-5 HI number cards
    	  per pack, I'd assume that a 12-card pack (football, hockey,
    	  basketball) will yield 2-3 hi numbers per pack, or around 100
    	  per box.  with a 200-card hi number series,  ...
    
    	o as part of a 1-700 factory set, available in jan.-feb.
    	  timeframe (according to SCD ads).  since UD is always late ...
    	  pre-sell prices have been seen around $45-60.  and of course,
    	  factory sets do not include holograms, sp cards, heroes of *
    	  cards, etc.
    
    -rjk

    
    I got 3 high cards per in the two packs I bought yesterday, I'm waiting
    for the high number sets, I don't need a bunch of 1-500s... UD is
    really disgusting.  Of course you have "find the Nameth" in the high
    number packs, so another subset of 9 plus cover card, geez.  One
    dealer I spoke with opened one box and got 5 nameth heroes including
    the cover card, so maybe these won't be as hard to get as the montana.
    Although I'm sure most dealers will tell you they're real hard to come by.
    
    jeff
    

    
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    FLYING OFF THE SHELF!
    
    YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DO NOT BUY THESE CARDS!
    
    YOUR WIFE WILL LEAVE YOU, AND YOU WILL GET DANDRUFF IF YOU DO NOT
    BUY THESE CARDS!
    
    SCARCE!
    
    A GREAT INVESTMENT!
    
    LIMITED!
    
    CALL NOW!
    
    CALL FOR PRICES!
    
    -rjk

	Roy, whatda lookin' for, a heart attack!

    
    btw, the high number wax does indeed have GB6, 7, & 8 holos (as did
    some of the last low number wax).  I did get a gb6 in one of the two
    packs I bought, so that kind of made it worth it, however only getting
    3 (or 2!) high number cards per pack, sux.
    
    jeff
    

    
    I hit upon a box at a local shop today in which the packs had
    between 6 and 8 high numbers per pack.  This seemed to be pretty
    consistent throughout the box, another box from the same case 
    was running 2 high numbers per pack.  So the lesson learned is sample
    a pack and see how many high numbers you get, if you hit 6 or more
    buy from that same box.
    
    jeff
    

	Well, this high number series is pissing me off! I bought a 
	pack yesterday hoping to get a less 6 high numbers, guess what,
	I only found 2... I was PISSED! HOW THE HELL CAN UD RELEASE A
	SECOND SERIES AND ONLY PUT TWO GOD DAMN HIGH NUMBERS IN A PACK!!
	
	This FU@&in' company is getting a big thumbs down from me. It
	would take (giving the UD distribution) about 5 boxes to put 
	together a 150 cards high number set. And the boxes are selling
	anywhere from $40/box. GIVE ME A BREAK! I already have series I
	cards, AND I DON'T WHAT ANYMORE!

	I heard the sets are coming out in a couple weeks. It seems thats
	the only way to go. No wonder the high number sets are so expense
	to buy.

	Sorry, but at least now I fell better..8^)

    
    I'll have to say again that I have found yet another high number
    box which seemed to be running 6-7 high numbers per pack, yet I
    also got one pack of just 2 from the same box, so it varies quite
    a bit, but it's not all only 2 high per pack.  Clearly the best
    way is to buy the high set, should be able to pick these up for
    around $20, mabe less if you wait awhile and let football season
    fade away.
    
    Despite being a bit luckier than Mike, I agree that UD is freakin'
    out of control with their distibution, mixed high/low high wax, insert
    cards, holograms and different ways of packaging the same stuff
    (low & hi wax, jumbos, factory sets, high # sets, 'locker series',
     please give us a break!).
    
    jeff
    

    Picked up two Hi # sets yesterday for $10ea. Now all I
    have to do is find the Namath and Holograms... Anyone
    buying boxes and have extra of these, please send me 
    mail, I'll be interested in anything you have.

    Mike

    
    	I know someone who pulled a Montana hero #9 signature card out of
    a pack...series I
    
    		What is it worth???  $700.00
    
    		It was bought for $165.00
    
    	Is this a deal?
    
    	Hal

    
    This might sound like a pat answer Hal, but it's worth whatever
    someone will pay for it.
    
    I've seen it priced (not selling, priced) at shows for between
    $700 and $950.
    
    Most of these autographed cards end up dropping below $500, and
    anywhere from $150-350 seems to be the "norm".
    
    If your friend BOUGHT it for $165.00 -- he probably got a good deal.
    If he sold it for $165.00 -- hard to tell.  He probably could've
    gotten more from a private sale, than to a dealer, but if it
    drops like the others have ... ???
    
    -rjk