Conference rusure::nintendo

    re .0 
    	Yes I have golf, My best score in also -16 I wasn't to sure
    if it great score or not? The only problem I have with it is the
    same course over and over! (but it's still fun!)
                                                             
    mike

    re: .0 .1
    
    I also have golf.  My best to date is 19 under par.
    Just one of those spectacular kind of rounds.
    Best advice....Don't get schyed-out by hole #18.
    
    Glenn

    reply.0> a new golf is comming out...it called "U.S.Golf"...
    you can play against the computer or in a twosome, threesome, or
    foursome - 14 clubs - 3 swing speeds - evel a scorecard screen...
    ...looks good, and is in issue #5 nintendo fun club news...
    ...bill...

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>    reply.0> a new golf is comming out...it called "U.S.Golf"...
>    you can play against the computer or in a twosome, threesome, or
>    foursome - 14 clubs - 3 swing speeds - evel a scorecard screen...
>    ...looks good, and is in issue #5 nintendo fun club news...
>    ...bill...

	Great!!! Those were other things I always wanted, a scorecard and
the ability to play with four people like in the arcades.  -19 is the best I
have seen.  My cousin hit it once, everything just seemed to be going for him.
You know, good winds, getting those close ones called on the green and a couple
of chip-ins off the green.  My greatest accompishment as been eagling hole 2
three times in four consecutive rounds, the ball just kept heading for the
hole!

Can't wait...
Mc

         Anyone else gotten a hole-in-one yet?  Got mine in one of the
    first few rounds I played.....don't recall exactly which hole...I
    believe it was on the back.
         I haven't managed to even break par yet but I haven't played
    too many rounds.  As far as #18 try, if you haven't already, putting
    your drive in the clearing in the trees on the left.  If the wind
    isn't difficult it's an easy shot and you'll only have a 3-5 iron
    left to the green.  Makes it a shorter hole.
    
    Bob

	I've gotten a few Aces.  I still can't remeber what holes are what
but one was on then par three with the little strip of land leading to it.
I hit a !w right into it.  The other is the par three with the bunker in
front and the flag tucked in the left hand corner.  I four Iron with a little
slice put it right in.  I've come real close to double eagleing a couple of the
par fives.  Once on the par five with the clearing in the woods I hit all of
my 1W (playing it to the left not into the clearing,  that way you dont have to
shoot over a bunker) and was left with a short 4 or 5.  I hit the Iron and 
thought it was in.  When the green popped up for putting part of my ball
was hanging over the whole.  

Mc

    I think I have only had 1 ace on the golf course. Like .-1, it was
    the hole about 174 yards with the pin tucked on the left hand side.
    The hole is on the back nine (13 or 14 I think). I aced it with
    a 3 iron. I started the shot straight at the middle of the green
    with a good draw on it and it came across from right to left, landed
    on the green and finished up by rolling into the hole.
    
    Mike

    I was playing doubles and when I came up to 14th (I think) I aced
    it with a 4 iron! so I says to my buddy "let see you do that!"
    and he did! to aces in a row! ( I was first so I showed him the
    way!)..8^) also got a double eagle! a few weeks back on the par
    5 with the clearing in the woods..1w full with a little slice then
    a 5 iron IN THE HOLE!

         Yeah.....that was the hole.  I used a 3 or 4 iron, can't remember
    which.  Haven't come close on any of the others though.
    
    Bob

    Don't look for U.S. Golf anymore.  I talked to a guy at Nintendo
    and he said that is has been taken off the production list.  No
    date for any type of release or development.  He did say that another
    one was coming out as its replacement though.  Unfortunately, he
    didn't have much information about it.  Sorry about the bad news.
    I too have the Golf game and would like to see other courses.  My
    best score is an embarassment so I won't mention it.  No aces but
    plenty of eagles and birdies.  Others I have talked with about the
    game complain about not knowing the distance to the hole, how I
    wish a real golf course would give me that information.
    

	Dam, I was looking forward to it too.  

	Another little thing that bugs me about the game is that player one
(white) as a disadvantage.  Whenever two people make the same shot (which 
is pretty easy to do) the white player always hit first.  Giving the
red player a good read every time.   

mc

    That's where you can really test your skill at the game.  You can
    choose a lower iron or wood and hit it with less power.  That usually
    screws up your opponent.  However, it can really screw you up too.
    I did that a couple of times to the guy I was playing against. 
    I had an 8 iron to the green but I took a 5 instead and reduced
    my swing strength.  I put it on the green.  Since he was the same
    distance, he took a 5 and hit it full strength....OB.  As I say,
    sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

	Yea, there wsy to get around it (switch after each hole, switch after
9, play two rounds) but it still is a pain).

mc

    No, I mean that GOLF automatically has winner of last hole lead
    off next hole, doesn't it?  At least, that's the way I remember
    it when I played.

>                   -< Alternate based on who won last hole? >-

	I think we got a little confused.  Golf does have the winner
of one hole hit first on the next hole but it is the second shot that 
causes problems.  If both people drive to the same spot (easily done) the
white player (player 1) always shoots first.  Giving the Red players a
big advatage on alot of the holes.

Mc

    

    My firends and I spend all winter skiing in Vt.  On Friday and Saturday
    Evenings Two things food,(beer) and Nintendo were the hot setup.
    Top Gun and Golf were played Best Score Golf -22 Two Hole in 1's1
    in the 1st nine 1 in the Back nine.  Don't remember Top GUN Scores!

    Shot a -24 under par yesterday.  But I've done that three times
    now.  I can ace the 11th hole with ease.
    
    But the big question is...
    
    Has anyone seen or heard of something called LEE TREVINOS GOLF coming
    out?  I saw a card for it in Child World last week...
    
    Don

    I HIT A -8 10 DAYS AFTER I GOT IT. AND MY BEST IS -12. I CAN TELL
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    The new golf game "Lee Trevino Mighty Golf" is now available, at
    least it is in Colorado. It has 2 courses, 4 players and is more
    difficult, especially the putting. It also has the distance to the
    hole on every shot (including putts). The box also selects the club
    for the next shot automatically and I have found that if you don't
    like the club selection and change it, you generally can't select
    the pre-selected club. I have only had the game for a couple of
    days and because of other chores have not really had a lot of time
    to play it and am looking forward to the weekend.
    
    Tom Dvorak
    

    I also have Lee Trevino's "Fighting Golf" -- it's orders of magnitude
    better than "Golf".  I have had no problem returning to the recommended
    club .. I don't understand the reference in .0.
    
    There is a variant of the game (Nassau), where you can play against
    the computer in match play, with bonus points for a long drive on
    one hole and closest to the pin on another.  The computer will choose
    it's player randomly, then you choose which 9 holes to play.
    
    An interesting oddity is that, occassionally (1 hole in every 4-5
    games!), the computer will do something really, really idiotic.
    Such as hitting a short 180 degrees away from the green, but it's
    much more enjoyable than Golf.
    
    I'm starting to look for Pebble Beach Champsionship Golf, which
    is supposed to be out soon.
   

    RE .20-My goof, it is "Fighting Golf" not mighty golf. However,
    I am having a problem with putting, especially the short ones.
    It seems that within 3 feet I can't hit the putt softly enough to
    drop it. The ball goes by 10-12 feet. Any hints out there?
    
    TD
    

    
      re.22  One of the game mags mentioned that the only negative aspect
    to this game were short putts. One has to be very fast with the
    controller buttons to have a lite touch, otherwise a long return
    putt is the result. Isn't there some sort of gauge that displays
    how far you've taken the backswing?
             The review I read called it the best golf simulation on
    the market,even with this putting querk. 
    This included all the home computer titles such as Leader Board,
    Mean 18 etc..  I've been looking for it without any success.
   
    
                                                           RONM

    I have found the following hint for short putts (especially with
    the two fast swinging players - Big Jumbo & Lee Trevino) useful.
    
    Press the B button to start putting.  Allow the guage to swing all
    the way to the left, and then it will start to return to the right.
    Before it gets back to the starting point (3 to 6 bars left of the
    center line), press the B button again to hit the ball.  You'll
    get a short putt.  Sometimes a very short putt!
    

    I picked up Golf: Pebble Beach Challenge from a fellow noter and
    it was fairly enjoyable. I like it because you get to play Pebble
    Beach. It's harder then Nintendo golf and it has its pluses and
    minuses.
    
    A few pluses:
    
    o The shot indicator moves a little slower (especially when you
    are near the green) so you can make better shots.
    
    o The greens are "life like". Some greens have more than 1 or 2
    slopes to them.
    
    o The graphics are pretty good, better then Nintendo golf.
    
    o Has multiple screens. You can scan the entire hole from tee to
    green. There is a score card screen.
    
    o It shows you the cross section of a hole so if you hit the ball
    to a fairway that slopes down, you get a little more run.
    
    o You can control high shots or low shots to "cheat" the wind.
    
    o If you start a swing at the ball and you don't like it, don't
    hit the button to strike the ball and it turns out to be a practice
    swing. You don't get that whiff shot like you do in Nintendo golf.
    
    o You can play the course from the front tees or the back tees.
    
    But of course, with every game, there has to be bad points about
    them. I am an avid golfer so some of these are more nits than anything
    else.
    
    o Club distances are terrible. You can barely get a full 8 about
    130 yards with no wind. I'm sorry, but I want a golf game where
    I can hit the ball like I can in real life or a golf game that lets
    me play like Jack Nicklaus.
    
    o The ninth hole is a 508 yard par 4 from the back tees. Sorry folks,
    but it ain't so in real life. It is impossible to reach this green
    in 2.
    
    o You can't work the ball. I like being able to hook and slice (ala
    Nintendo golf).
    
    o You can't aim accurately enough. On the 8th hole (dogleg right,
    over the ocean) you can hit a straight drive and then be faced at
    hitting over the ocean. I have not found a way to hit the ball directly
    at the flag. If you swing with the given direction, you end up in
    the bunker to the left of the green. If you move the aimer one notch
    to the right, you miss the green to the right and land in the right
    side green bunker. You need gale force winds to bring the ball back
    from the right.
    
    o On the 7th hole, I'll hit a 3 iron (this hole is 149 yard long)
    into a 10 mph wind and be 20 yards short of the hole.
    
    All in all, it is not a bad game. It is real tough to score well
    (unlike Nintendo golf). Chipping and putting are fairly enjoyable.
    I played a few rounds last night. Scores were 81, 82, 81, 79 and
    74. All scores were from the regular tees. I tried playing a couple
    of holes from the back tees but got real miffed. I would hit a great
    drive (all strength and perfectly straight) and it was not long
    enough to hit the fairway!!! And depending on the kind of trouble
    you are in, your club selection is limited (only a 7 iron and up
    for sand, 3 iron and up for rough, 7 iron and up for deep rough).
    
    OK, I have rambled on long enough. So I end with rating this game
    about 7.5 out of 10. They could have done better. I'm waiting for
    a cartridge with Augusta National (The Masters home course).
    
    Mike

	I got Fighting Golf this weekend and realy enjoy it.  Boy,
putting is alot tougher then Nintendo GOLF.  In Golf it's almost
an automatic once your on the green.  With Fighting Golf I'm worried
about 3 putting some of them!

	I have not been able to get the backspin to work.  The dierections
say to hit the A button and then a direction on the controler.  When are
you supposed to do this?  After the swing?  When it's in the air?  When
it switches to the screen of the green?  Does it matter what direction?


thanks
Mike

    
    After reading 80.*, I decided to go out and try "Lee Trevino's....".
    
    WHAT A DISSAPPOINTMENT!!!
    
    #80.23 made reference to some magazine calling this game the best
    golf simulation on the market - including such games as MEAN 18...
    THROW THE MAGAZINE AWAY!
    
    Let me tell you without ANY qualifications that MEAN 18 makes
    this game look like miniature golf...there is NO CONTEST...MEAN
    18 has so much more "game play" and superior graphics that the two
    games cannot effecively be compared (and leader board is beyond
    MEAN 18!).
    
    Anyway, about the game...
    
    After patiently waiting for my son to go to bed last night, I
    started to play (ended up playing 3 rounds on the American course
    using everyone except AMY) and tried 1 round on the Japanese course
    (which looks like it belongs in the lost city of Atlantis) but quit
    after 8 holes...
    
    The most annoying thing about the graphics was the fact the the
    2 screens rarely matched each other in ball position - the "air
    view - left screen" would often indicate the ball near a trap or
    super ruff, while the "closeup" screen sometimes had the player
    actually standing in water to chip!!!  And why did the closeup
    screen show the ball coming towards you instead of away...???
    
    There also didn't seem to be a full selection of clubs (couldn't
    seem to find a 2 Iron).  There was only 1 "air view" of the green
    no matter where you putted from - and chips would often run across
    the green, past the fringe, yet remain on the putting surface...
    
    As for direction, it seemed (not character dependent) each controller
    acted differently - 1 would place the directional "X" anywhere while
    the other seemed to maneuver only in a small circle...puzzeling!
    
    In general, having experienced some truly outstanding graphics on
    other Nintendo games, Golf's graphics were more like Colecovision.
    I also found the swing process annoying - the fact that you must
    start your swing, control the power, and control the accuracy is
    just fine.  But failing to stop near the arrow produced a "whiff"!
    I opt for allowing contact with the ball EVERY TIME with the result
    being a BIG SLICE!  Unless I was wrong, it also seemed that stopping
    the swing to the left of the arrow produced a right-ball movement
    while stopping to the right produced a left-ball movement, which 
    seemed backwards to me and different from computer simulations...                                                         
    
    I haven't played ANY other golf games on the Nintendo - and this
    may in fact, be the best golf game for Nintendo so far...if it is
    then they have a long way to go!  And if the game I had (being rented)
    was faulty, then only 50% of what I said I take back.
    
    Back to the computer...
    
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>    Let me tell you without ANY qualifications that MEAN 18 makes
>    this game look like miniature golf...there is NO CONTEST...MEAN
>    18 has so much more "game play" and superior graphics that the two
>    games cannot effecively be compared (and leader board is beyond
>    MEAN 18!).
 
	I have to disagree.  Nintendo golf is alot more challenging then
Mean 18.  Mean 18 you just pick the club line it up and shoot.  You
can move the ball (slice fade) but that is all.  There is no wind (which 
can drasticly change the way a hole plays), you can't fly a ball or keep it
low, and you can't put spin on the ball.  It's doesn't have Nassau play with
longest drives and closest to the pin contests either.  It also doesn't have
different players each with different capabilites.  Mean 18 has better graphics
but I'd rather have a game with more features and better playability then one
with nice graphics.

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>    As for direction, it seemed (not character dependent) each controller
>    acted differently - 1 would place the directional "X" anywhere while
>    the other seemed to maneuver only in a small circle...puzzeling!
 
    Each players X goes out different distances, Chosuke can't hti as far but 
he can be more acurate becuase his X goes out farther and his swing is slower,
Big Jumbo can kill a ball but his swing is fast and his X goes out only a 
little.


mike

    I have to disagree with .27 on Lee Trevino. I like the game. It's much
    better than Nintendo Golf. Anyway, I have a few questions about it...
    
    1. Has anyone had any luck applying backspin? If so, how are you doing
    it? I can't seem to get it to work.
    
    2. Has anyone had trouble with the wind? It seems like it isn't really
    blowing in the direction of the arrow or maybe I'm just mistaken.
    
    Jim

>    1. Has anyone had any luck applying backspin? If so, how are you doing
>    it? I can't seem to get it to work.

	Once in a while it works but I still can't do it when I want to.  I 
try to bounce the ball in the light rough and up onto the green, seeing 
I can't realy on holding the green using backspin.  If you figure it out 
please let me know.
    
>    2. Has anyone had trouble with the wind? It seems like it isn't really
>    blowing in the direction of the arrow or maybe I'm just mistaken.


	I had this problem at first too.  The wind indicator does not show the
wind in realation to the main screen.  It shows the direction of the wind
according to the view of the other screen (the one on the right.)  Usualy
they match up but sometimes they don't.   This is why after you make your shot 
the wind arrow does a 180, becuase the view changes from looking behind the
golfer to looking at the golfer.

Any aces yet Jim?  I have holed two, both on 'Sand Trap City'.  Also seen an
Albatros (2 on a par 5) once. 

Mc

    Mike,
    
    No Aces yet, just one Eagle so far. But, I finally won a Nassau game
    against Pretty Amy. I had Super Mex.
    
    Jim

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>    No Aces yet, just one Eagle so far. But, I finally won a Nassau game
>    against Pretty Amy. I had Super Mex.
 
	Never played a full round of Nassau against the computer.  The computer
just takes to long!  Me and a couple of buddies play a couple fo rounds here 
and there and keep a running total.  I'm down about $2.50 now.  Was up but then
one of them bought the game and has been practicing.  I'm going to have to start
doing the same.  

mc

    I hear that there will be a Jack Nicklaus golf game coming out.

Pretty Amy? How 'bout some sordid details?!?!?!? 8^)

    Al, don't get excited. She's not all that pretty....but she has a good
    short game.
    
    I had Jumbo on the ropes the other day but I chipped over the green and
    two putted for a triple bogey...cost me the game.
    
    

    
    
    	I bought Lee Trevino's fighting golf the other day. I read the book
    abd I don't see any references on playing the computer. How do you play
    against the computer? I saw a coule of references to it in earlier
    notes. Thanks in advance.
    
    
    							Dana
    

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>    	I bought Lee Trevino's fighting golf the other day. I read the book
 >   abd I don't see any references on playing the computer. How do you play
>    against the computer? I saw a coule of references to it in earlier
>    notes. Thanks in advance.


	Just pick Nassau play with one person.  After you select your player
the computer will choose you opponent.

mike    

    Mike, have you played the computer a full game yet? I can't seem to
    beat "Pretty Amy". She hits 120 yard chips for birdies. It really
    pisses me off. Also, you're not supposed to be able to hit a wood from
    the deep rough but the computer does it all the time.
    
    
    Lastly, when you play the computer, in some situations, it will keep
    hitting the ball into the water, or once in awhile hit the ball the
    opposite direction of the cup. This happens alot when the computer has
    "Big Jumbo". Not so much with the others.
    
    I still can't get backspin, but "Amy" can make the ball stop dead on
    the green.
    
    Jim

Jim,

	I havn't played a whole game vs the computer yet, but I did notice
that they start chipping alot in in the later holes.  
	I havn't figured out backspin either.  The other day four of us were
playing and I got stucck with Pretty Amy.  on one home I wwas just off the
green maybe 30ish yards from the hole.  I chipped on and started hitting all
the buttons and moving the controler in every way hoping to get the ball to 
slow up somewhat.  It hit the green and the backspin brought it right back off 
green.  Why can't I do that when i WANT to??!?!??!?!


mike

    Help! Help! Help!  If anyone out there has a hole-by-hole description
    of how to score well at this insidious game, please either post
    it in this note, or send it to me on E-mail at MORO::WHICKER_BI
    
    The best I'be been able to do is -16 which was an unbelievable 
    accomplishment on this game!  I've never played a video game before
    that actually cheated!  The GOLF game does!  Sometimes it will show
    you going into a bunker but when you get to your next shot, you're
    not in a bunker at all.  Sometimes the game won't let you have a
    line to the pin, no matter how you play the shot!!!
    
    I need help!  I want to beat the pants off this game, but I can't
    seem to get above -16.  Please, for the sake of my sanity, won't
    someone post a SPOILER for the game?
    
    Thaank you...may your future generations be blessed!
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

Can anyone tell me how to dave your best score. Everytime I beat 
the previous low, the screen reflects my new low score until I 
turn the game off. When I turn it back on, we're back to the 
original score again.

Thanks
daryll

Re .-1:

Unfortunately, you cannot save your lowest score in Nintendo Golf once you have
turned the power off.  You'll just have to use the pencil and paper method :-)
unless you want to take the cartridge apart and do some chip hacking.

Mike

Mike,

That's not my problem. I can't figure out how to save my score
with the power on.

There's nothing in the instructions on it.

daryll

    daryll,
    
    When you finish a game, your best score will be displayed on the
    "logo" screen...it will stay on that screen until you either
    power off or hit reset...as soon as you hit reset, the game reverts
    to the +28 score...and I don't know anyone who ever got a +28...
    
    My cocker spaniel played once and shot near par...
    
    If you just got into theNintendo golf game, watch out!  The game
    WILL lie to you on occassion.  My nephew and I play it quite a bit
    and the cartridge thinks nothing of lying!  For example, it will
    show you in a bunker, the screen will say BUNKER, but when you arrive
    for your next shot, your ball will be on the grass.  DO NOT BE FOOLED>
    you are in a bunker, and must shoot your next shot with that in
    mind.  Also, don't be surprised if the game "forgets" to score a
    birdie for you now and then...
    
    Even with its faults, I enjoy it quite a bit.  I've shot a -15 and
    my nephew has shot a -16 but we can't seem to shoot any better.
     I'd like to hear from those folks who CLAIMED to have shot a -22
    or -24...I need the spoiler...
    
    Have fun, and try not to get too aggravated.
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

    
    Has anyone figured out how to control backspin yet? Maybe you have
    to press the direction that goes against the 'rub of the green'?

    re:45
    
    I don't believe the backspin can REALLY be controlled at all.
    I've seen backspin applied (heavily) when no buttons have been
    pushed, and I've seen NO BACKSPIN AT ALL when the right buttons
    are pushed.  I think the talk of controllable backspin is a bunch
    of marketing hype with no basis in reality.
    
    We've found a number of other objectionable things about Fighting
    Golf as well as the lack of backspin...for instance the game will
    almost always select the wrong club for you, usually one or two clubs
    off.  Also, the Nassau game will let the machine's players do things
    that can't be done by your player (try hitting 'half a club' and see
    what happens).
    
    I'm thinking about writing a flaming letter to Nintendo about this
    game.  I'm very disappointed.  While Fighting Golf is better than
    regular Nintendo Golf, it has a lot more devious ways of cheating
    the players.
    
    I've shot an even par on the American Course, and a 3 over on the
    Japanese Course (using Chosuke).  I should be shooting way under.
    
    How're you doing scorewise?
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

    
re. Fighting Golf
    
    I think that the computer picks the club based on yardage to the cup
    and with NO WIND (key point). So if there's no wind blowing and you hit a
    full shot with the club the computer selects, you'll land on the
    green and end up over it - because you can't use backspin. I haven't
    had too much trouble with the selection, though. I usually just club 
    down and try to land it short. I went through every club with each player
    using "Practice" to see what their distances were.
    
    Yeah, the Nassau game is pretty frustrating. The computer hits a
    driver from the rough regularly (or another wood), chips in 70%
    of the time, and NEVER misses a putt from any distance. I may be
    fantasizing, but I think that if you stay close stroke-wise, the
    computer tends to play a little more "fairly". But I've never
    beaten it.
    
    My playing time is limited by external sources (if you know what
    I mean :-] ), so my best score is only about +5 on the US and
    probably +12 on Japan (dinky little greens and aquatic doom
    everywhere) with Chosuke. Overall, I think it's a darn good game. 
    An 8.5, easy.
   

    Is there anybody out with the same problem as myself on not being
    able to see the wind mileage and sometimes not even the arrow.
    
    Is there anyway this can be adjusted??     for FIGHTING GOLF
    
    thanx
    greggers

	Yea, but mines not as bad.  I can pick out the arrow but only part
of the number.  Sometimes you tink it's a five but its a 3.  Makes it more
challenging.  

	As far as the computer giving you the wrong club, your aksing for too
much.  You have to know what club to pick (just like real golf).  You have
to take into account the wind, amount of green to work with....  

	I've shot a -8 on US and a -5 on the Japanese course.  

Mike

    re:48
    
    I have the same problem with the windage numbers...they're usually out
    of view...at first I thought it was my TV but after talking to others
    I've found that they have the problem also...no one has told me how to
    'fix' it...it seems to be worse on some sets than others...don't know
    why...
    
    another bothersome feature is that the players will sometimes 'stand'
    right on the strength/direction indicator line, and this makes it much
    harder to figure out where to stop the pointer...
    
    I have found the Fighting Golf game to be extremely aggravating...
    I played my nephew the other night and he was about 6 strokes ahead of
    me, then the system made him 5 putt on one hole!!!  the ball would not 
    drop no matter what he did!!!  the program ensured that our game would
    end up close, so it made him lose 5 strokes all on one hole!!!
    
    I'm beginning to categorize this as a kiddie game, one which cannot
    be mastered by skill or understanding but one which depends on basic
    luck...at the beginning of the game, the system selects the winner
    and plays out a pre-programmed pattern...very little of what the player
    does will impact the final outcome
    
    Your thoughts?
    

    Well, now I've gone and done it.  I've 'threatened' to write a flaming
    letter to Nintendo about Trevino's Fighting Golf game, and now I've
    done it.  I laid it on pretty thick, but said nothing that couldn't
    be easily substantiated by anyone playing the game.  Now I wait and see
    whether or not my letter means a damn thing to the good folks at NES.
    
    I'm hoping for a reply, telling me how wonderful the game really is,
    and that perhaps I don't know how to play it.  (I've spent considerable
    time trying to 'master' this particular game, and the best I've shot is
    -7 on the American Course and -5 on the Japanese Course.)
    
    Judging from the lack of activity in this particular file, I'm probably
    writing this reply to MYSELF!  Maybe there's a message in that?
    
    In the event that I ever do hear back from Nintendo, I'll post their
    reply here, although there may not be anyone out there to read it.
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

    RE:.51
    
    I'm reading this file and I'm glad you warned me.  I was going
    to buy this cartridge, but I think you saved me some $$$.
    
    Thanks!
    
    Joel
    

    I was going to buy Trevino's Golf game too.  Fortunately, a coworker
    let me borrow his.  We played - or I should say attempt to play - 
    a couple of games.  We really didn't like it.

    Any opinions on Pebble Beach Golf Game ??

    
    Lory
    

    RE: .53
    
    I've got the Pebble Beach game.  My opinion: don't waste your money.
    
    1. It's set up so your longest drive is no longer than about 215-220
    yards.  Other clubs roughly correspond.  Try playing Pebble from
    the back tees with 3-woods for half your second shots.
    
    2. Shot direction is quantum; that is, you really can't fine-tune
    it.  There are a couple holes where it is impossible to hit the
    green.  You can aim left or right of the green, but not at the
    green.
    
    3. The rough has a ridiculous effect upon the shot.  Longest club
    you can use is a 3-iron.  Ball goes 100-125 yards tops.
    
    4. Graphics not good.
    
    5. It isn't very challenging to hit good shots.  The error margin
    is large compared to some of the pc-based games.
    
    I got it for Christmas from my beloved wife, so I occasionally
    put Pebble into the NES for her benefit.  I would like it much
    better if the distances were more realistic.  
    
    Joel
    

    Personally, I really like Lee Trevino's Fighting Golf....what's wrong
    with shooting a -7 as a best score? Would shooting a -18 make you feel
    like it's realistic? 
    
    My only complaint is that I've not consistently been able to apply
    backspin. Other then that, I really like the game.
    
    Jim

    Jim,
    
    My complaints about Fighting Golf stem from a variety of shortcomings
    and apparent bugs.  To begin with, the upper part of the screen where
    the wind spped and direction are indictaed is not fully in view.  I've
    asked around and its not my monitor, its the way the game was
    programmed.
    
    Additional dislikes are:  the club distances are totally inconsistent
    (you can hit a full 1W from the tee for 220yds., and hit another from
    the fairway for 260+ yds), a fully hit 5 iron with no wind will travel
    about 75-100 yds thru the air (ridiculous!), some holes are pre-set so
    that the player cannot reach them under ANY circumstances on the first
    shot (a penalty stroke is mandatory in these cases, mostly involving
    water), a player cannot shoot the green (you must aim WAY in front and 
    hope that the ball stops when it arrives on the green), the animated 
    player ofter stands "on his line" making it extremely difficult to tell 
    where the correct aiming spot is to hit a good shot, the putting game is 
    absurd (the markes indicating break speed and direction are very
    innaccurate, and if the player relies on them to line up a putt, he'll
    miss more often than not, and finally the wind speed and direction
    sometimes have absolutely no effect on the ball or have an opposite
    effect (a ball will travel INTO a headwind instead of being pushed down
    by it...
    
    As far as the scoring goes, I believe you'll find that the system will
    keep you relatively close to your opponent's score, especially in
    Nassau play.  You might be way ahead but the system will MAKE you four
    or five putt, and if this hasn't happened to you, I'd love to exchange
    cartridges with you!  Also, what about a long drive contest between
    Super Mex and Chosuke, when Mex gets a 9 MPH wind going with him ,and
    Chosuke gets a 6 MPH wind?  Mex can out drive every player except
    Jumbo...why give him a MORE favorable wind against a player who cannot
    beat him in the drive distance???
    
    I'm not looking for a -18 score (although that would be great!), but I
    do want to believe that my button pushing skills and understanding of
    the game will let me play a better round than someone with lesser
    skills or no understanding of the game.  None of this seems to matter. 
    The system determines the winner, not the skilful play of the
    competitors...
    
    The real point is that I don't enjoy playing this game because of what
    I perceive to be its many shortcomings and faults.  If you enjoy
    playing it, then by all means, have a ball!
    
    Regards,
     Bill
    
    

    Hi Bill,
    
    Truthfully, I've noticed some of the things that you speak of. One that
    particularly irks me is the wind problem where the screen says it's
    blowing right, but the ball breaks left...and vice versa.
    
    As for the club distances, I'm not a golfer, so I wouldn't know if the
    distances are inaccurate. I've gotten used to the game, and generally I
    play the same golfer every game (Mex), and I pretty much know how long
    he can hit, and what clubs to use when.
    
    Overall, I still like the game. Every game I've played has some bugs or
    shortcomings. The game I had prior to Fighting Golf was Nintendo Golf.
    I feel Fighting Golf is a much better game. I'm not saying that there
    is no room for improvement, but I definitely enjoy the game.
    
    Oh well, I guess we'll never agree on this one. If we're lucky, they'll
    come out with another golf game that we both like. 
    
    Jim
    
    

    
    I too have noticed most of the things in .56, however I still very
    much enjoy this game.  
    I usually play Chosuke, and his club distances are not completely
    realistic, but are usually consistant. The greens are not marked
    completely correct, but play that same way every time.  I can usually
    read enough of the wind gauge to play it.  Shots sometimes vary
    in distance, but that happens in real golf all the time, from wind
    blockage by trees, ect.
    
    I totally agree that there are several imperfections, but this is
    still the closest to realistic golf game I have played.
    
    					...mike
    

    I haven't been ignoring the replies...I've been out of town...
    
    I really need to mention that regardless of my flaming about Fighting
    Golf, I too agree that its probably the best available game out there
    in Nintendo land.  What I've written is the result of mucho frustration
    in trying to "master" the game, which may be a major mistake from the
    beginning!
    
    Anyway, I rant and rave about the game, but I still play it
    occassionally...I just wish we had a real alternative (not the Nintendo
    golf game)...I haven't tried Pebble Beach but it hasn't received very
    good reviews so I don't think I'll 'invest' in it...
    
    If you hear about any new golf games on the market...I'll probably be
    first in line to give them my bucks!
    
    Regards,
     Bill
    
    
    

    After reading all of the replies in this topic i decided to add
    my two-bits. I like "Fighting Golf". I also will never play the
    computer in a match because of the bizzare things that happen
    with the computers player. As far as wind speed and direction,
    we have a 27 inch tv and have no problem gettinga full display
    on the screen, it is no problem figuring direction or velocity.
    It does affect ball flight more than actual wind of the same
    magnitude though. As far as putting goes this game is far superior
    to the other NES type golf games offered and I am amazed at the
    number of long putts I roll in now that I know the "break" on the
    greens. I guess that since I play a lot of golf it is not important
    to me to shoot a tremendously low score. Anytime I get under par
    it was a good round. If I had to face holes on a real course that
    were of the length that they are on this game, I would be hard
    pressed to ever par a hole let alone make a birdie. I guess like
    any game, there are secrets that can let you score lower but if
    played like a real course it can be a lot of fun. Just don,t play
    the computer, it cheats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      My favorite is when Jumbo will turn 180 from the hole, hit a shot
    150 yards away, and then turn around and hit in a 3 iron for 
    birdie !!! The computer did show me how to hit in a lot of chip
    shots though.
    
    Jim

>    As far as wind speed and direction,
>    we have a 27 inch tv and have no problem gettinga full display
>    on the screen, it is no problem figuring direction or velocity.
>    It does affect ball flight more than actual wind of the same
>    magnitude though. 

	No kidding!!  You have tie down the golf cart in an eight mile and
hour wind.  


>    As far as putting goes this game is far superior
>    to the other NES type golf games offered and I am amazed at the
>    number of long putts I roll in now that I know the "break" on the
>    greens. 

	Like most of the golf games putting actualy gets too easy after
a while.  I now sink 10-20 footer with regularity and often sink the longer
25-40 footers.  25 foot with three different brakes and after playing enough 
you actualy feel you SHOULD makes it and more often then not do.

    Regarding putting on Fighting Golf...the most bizarre event that I've
    had was when I putted from 24', and the ball ringed the hole three
    complete reveloutions, and stopped .7' from the hole!  I couldn't
    believe it!  Three complete spins around the hole!  I've been playing
    real golf for a number of years but I've NEVER seen a putt go three
    complete reveolutions around the cup.  WOW!  I'd like to meet the
    programmer who thought this up...
    
    By the way, note .60 says that on a 27" TV you have no problem getting
    the full/total display.  Do you know how many lines of resolution your
    TV has?  Mine is a 25" TV and I can't get the total display...maybe
    your TV has a different 'set up'?
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

    I have a 19" Sony Trinitron and have no problem getting the full
    display of wind speed and direction.  I have been playing this game
    for a couple months and aside from a few minor irritations have
    had a lot of fun playing this game.
    I got Jack Nicklaus 18 greatest holes championship golf as a gift
    last week and was pretty disappointed with this one.  Graphics weren't
    that good and play was fairly easy.  I think Fighting Golf is much
    more realistic than this one. 
    
    Overall I enjoy the game but wish they would really put some thought
    into a new golf game that was more realistic and fun to play.
    
    	Mike

    If I had the slightest idea of where to begin, and the programming
    talent necessary, I'd create my own 'golf game'.  I'm really beginning
    to believe that the guys (and gals) who programmed the available
    golf games have never played real golf, and probably have never even
    seen it played!  
    
    If I had the know-how, I'd like to make a number of improvements
    to the Fighting Golf game...there's a lot I'd like to keep, but
    there is definitely some room for improvement...the graphics are fine
    and the 'basics' are quite satisfactory, but if I could 'play' the 
    game with a Nintendo (or whoever) programmer, I could demonstrate a
    number of 'simple fixes' which would make the game more realistic
    and probably more attractive to a wider audience (more sales!)...
    
    I don't think thegame should be any easier, just more consistent
    and geared so that skill is a requirement of a good score, not just
    the 'luck of the draw'...and I'd make it so that playing against
    the system (Nassau) would be more fun...perhaps by giving the
    Nassau players a quirk or two, or having them mis-hit the ball
    once in awhile...
    
    Anyway, if anyone sees any NEW or DIFFERENT golf games on the market,
    please let me know...I'm anxious to try another variation...
    
    Regards,
      BW
    
    
    

I saw a new Golf game for Nintendo this weekend.  It was the one people
have already alluded to.  I forgot the company who makes it but it is
titled something like "Jack Nicklaus' 18 holes".

Mike

    re:65
    
    Those who have tried the Nicklaus game have been somewhat disappointed
    with it...(see earlier notes)...I appreciate the input, however,
    because my quest for the Ultimate Nintendo Golf Game goes ever
    onward!  Perhaps within the next decade ot two someone will program
    a really terrific golf game, but I guess I'm doomed 'til then!
    
    Regards,
      BW
    

    I tried the Nicklaus game over the weekend...its interesting and a lot
    easier than Fighting Golf.  Nicklaus has some features that would be
    really nice if added to Fighting Golf, such as 'extra power' and the
    ability to accurately gauge the power of any club.  All players are
    basically the same, no individual traits (long hitter, short hitter,
    etc.), and the statistics are fantastic...green hit, fairways hit,
    birdies, eagles, longest drive, etc.  Nicklaus will also allow
    threesomes and foursomes...
    
    The Nicklaus graphics leave a lot to be desired and are nowhere near as
    good as Fighting Golf, and the Nicklaus game takes quite awhile to
    repain the screen between shots, but it does allow the player to shoot
    the greeen without bouncing into the unknown...
    
    I'd rank the Nicklaus game just a shade below Fighting Golf.  Nicklaus
    has a number of shortcomings but has some very nice features.  Its
    easier than Fighting Golf because it doesn't require three button
    pushes per shot, and because the wind doesn't have as much effect on
    the ball's flight as in Fighting Golf.  I won't go out and buy the
    Nicklaus game but I will borrow it to play from time to time.
    
    By the way, I finally got a response from Nintendo in regards to the
    flaming letter I sent them...A FORM LETTER telling me to try their 800
    number for game counselling!  I expected a more personal response
    especially given the time and effort I put into their letter...but with
    their sales going thru the roof, I'm sure they really don't give a hoot
    about one dissatisfied player...
    
    Regards,
       BW
     

    
    I lent Lee Trevino's Fighting Golf to a person I work with and he
    couldn't see the top of the screen at all (windage,hole #,ect..).He 
    also mentioned having a problem with seeing the whole screen (bottom
    clipped this time) of Silent Service. He called Nintendo on this and
    was told he had to adjust his TV. They (or he) didn't give more details
    on adjustments. The same golf game works and looks fine on my TV..For 
    what it's worth..
    
    Steve
    

    As an old TV repair person let me throw in my 2 cents worth. It sounds
    like the vertical adjustments are off on that particular set. The
    adjustments are vertical height ( sometimes shown as VER HT) and
    vertical linearity. These are normally screwdriver adjustment screws
    located in the rear of the set or inside a door in the front of the
    set. The vertical height should be adjusted first and then the
    linearity ( they are inter-dependent ). After adjusting the height set
    the vertical hold so the picture rolls from top to bottom and watch the
    action of the black strip. If the strip changes size as it progresses
    down the screen then adjust the linearity ( may have to go back and 
    fine tune height adjustment if affected by linearity adjustment), if
    strip does not change size then you are finished. This should make
    screens completely visible. You can check if the adjustments are needed
    by putting a game picture on the screen in the pause mode and using the
    vertical hold ( make the picture roll) check to see if some of the
    picture was off screen. If this sounds too complicated just call me and
    I will explain further.
    

    
      This is the person that works with .68.
    
      I did the vertical adjustment, and lo and behold, I saw 
      what I have been missing.
    
      Gee, Nintendo helpline is good.

    
    If you hold the left side of the direction (black) button and press 
    the A button when selecting the player, the player will be a lefty..
    I saw this in the Nintendo magazine. 
    
    Steve
    

    It took me a while to figure it out, but it is possible to apply
    backspin at will.
    
    When you go through the swing process, press the left or right cross at
    the same time you press the "a" button (for all three "a" presses).
    Press the buttons hard, it seems to make a difference.
    
    Rob

    
    
      Has anybody played NES Golf?  I am interested in purchusing it and
    would like a little information.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Brian

    Save your money !! It is a very simple game with not a lot of
    challenge after playing just a few times. I prefer Fighting
    Golf of the 3 I have tried. (nes golf, pebble beach golf,
    and fighting golf) THer are some other ones out now but I
    haven't tried them.
    
    Jim C.