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Title:Nintendo Game Systems
Notice:Please enter Super NES notes in Yuppy::Super_NES.
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Tue Oct 20 1987
Last Modified:Mon Feb 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:847
Total number of notes:11602

89.0. "Soloman's Key" by NEXUS::G_GEIGER () Tue Apr 12 1988 01:52

    Any and all help on Soloman's Key would be GREAT!!!
    
    I've made it to screen #19 out of 50, and I can't get 
    any further.
    
    Glenn
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89.1BEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Tue Apr 12 1988 14:558
    Re .0:
    
    Describe the screen you are having problems with.  (Perhaps draw a
    picture.)  Or does the game number the rounds?  I'll be playing again
    in a few days; I will take a look then.
    
    
    				-- edp
89.2Fun GameWALLAC::KISTLERTue Apr 12 1988 15:116
    Good game, is that the one with all the rolling fire balls?
    It took me a while to get thru that one but the one that has
    me stumped is twenty, the one that you have to build up to the
    key and the door.
    Kendall
    
89.3BEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Tue Apr 12 1988 20:318
    Re .2:
    
    The one where monsters line the walls left and right and there is
    nothing but air and a few treasures in the middle?  That's easy, once
    you get the rhythm down.  Want some hints?
    
    
    				-- edp
89.4Secret rooms are fun.RSTS32::FLAHERTYNuck,nuck,nuck...Mon Apr 18 1988 13:209
    
    
    	Get all the "SOLOMON'S SEALS", the star of davids, as the ending
    isn't as good with out them.
    
    
    				Go Dana, GO!
    				   Pat..
    
89.5I give it at least an 8BCSE::SCOPAThe MajorMon Apr 18 1988 14:404
    I borrowed this game (thanks Ron) and I intend on purchasing one
    ASAP. If you like puzzles you'll love this game.
    
    
89.6SSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodayMon Apr 18 1988 16:157
    re: .4
    
    You refer to the ending -- how many screens are there?
    
    Teamwork has us up into the mid-30s...
    
                             Roak
89.7check out Kay Bee ToysMAGIC::POLLOCKProgrammers expect the unexpected!Mon Apr 18 1988 16:155
    I saw Solomon's Key at Kay Bee Toys and they are selling it for
    $19.99.
    
    -Paula
    
89.8helpTEMPE1::KISTLERTue Apr 19 1988 00:223
    HELP!!!!!!! I am stuck in room 22 and havent a clue on how to get
    out of here, any help would be greatly apprecated.
    Kendall
89.922?HIBOB::KRANTZNext window please.Tue Apr 19 1988 05:2412
    I don't really want to play 21 rooms right now, could you describe
    room 22?
    
    Does anyone know a way to start (from power on/reset) at a room
    other than 1?
    
    Will the game stay paused indefinatly? (the two times I've left
    it paused, I have come back to find it in attract mode...)
    
    I *really* like this game!
    
    		Joe
89.10Look for warps...RSTS32::FLAHERTYNuck,nuck,nuck...Tue Apr 19 1988 14:3013
    
    
    	# of rooms = 50.
    
    	I forget exact numbers, but mabey a brief description of the 
    room might help. I no longer have the game but, since I played it so
    much I rember alot. 
    
    	As for starting at a room besides one, I wish I knew, it would have
    saved me alot of time.
    
    			Complete the book for the best ending...
    					Pat..
89.11Is this 22?BCSE::SCOPAThe MajorTue Apr 19 1988 15:434
    Is room 22 the one where everything is bunched over the right hand
    side of the screen? Also, are there flames surrounding the key?
    And one more thing...the door to the next room is on the lower right
    hand corner of the screen. Is that the room? 
89.12exTEMPE1::KISTLERTue Apr 19 1988 18:462
    That is the one.
    Kendall
89.13Helpful HintBCSE::SCOPAThe MajorWed Apr 20 1988 17:4433
    Okay...here's how I got through that room. Dana starts off on the
    upper right hand side of the room. Knock out one of those three
    blocks on the top row and continue to the left. This traps the
    salamanders.
    
    Now you have to make a long row of blocks to the left so that you
    prolong the time it takes for the salamanders to get to the bottom
    of the screen. Meanwhile, you go to the bottom, run over to the
    right side and work your way to the key.
    
    Remember, after you make the left extension to the bottom row you
    have to free the salamanders so they go that way.
    
    I did that two nights ago so I'm kinda sketchy on the details.
    
    * * * * *
    
    By the way, for those of you who haven't seen Solomon's Key it has
    to be the Nintendo bargain of the year. $19.99 at Kay-Bee Toys.
    I borrowed it last Friday and got hooked so I went out and purchased
    my own.
    
    Toughest rooms so far (I'm only up to 24) were 7,8,11,13,20, and
    22. Of course there are some rooms that seem easy once you get the
    hang of it, and then there are rooms that take awhile to complete
    even when you know what has to be done.
    
    I am looking forward to beyond room 28. The only drawback to this
    game is you can't plug it in and start from the last room you finished,
    but you can use the continuous play feature...otherwise forget it.
    
    Mike
       
89.14HOW TO KEEP THE LITTLE WOMAN HAPPY?TEMPE1::KISTLERWed Apr 20 1988 18:3515
         That is what i finally figured out to do and it worked. I made
    it all the way to 38 but a lot of it was just getting the key and
    making a beline for the door dwould have gone farther but the little
    lady of the house came in and unpluged the machine and made some
    decleration of war if i didn't pay some attion to things around
    house. How could the garbage get so full when I was in one room
    all the time? would you beleave that the grass was almost a foot
    tall and both cars needed to be washed. So while i was working my
    fingers to the bone last night the wife was getting frustrated in
    room 13, and being a nice person I havent given her any hints on
    how to do it. Hopefully tonight i will be able to have the game
    to my self since she has a class that goes untill 10:00.
    Thanks for the hint.
    Kendall
    
89.15Only 8 rooms away.......BCSE::SCOPAThe MajorFri Apr 29 1988 17:268
   I got to room 42 and had to leave the house. My son took over and
   had some problems with that room. My wife had to bring my daughter
   to dancing and she didn't want to leave the unit plugged in so...
    
   ......you guessed it....back to room #1.
    
    
    Dana Mike
89.16warps?HIBOB::KRANTZNext window please.Sat Apr 30 1988 05:356
    re: .10  "Look for warps" - are there warps in this game?
    
    If so, would you please give some hints as to where to look / what 
    to do, please?  Does it have something to do with the hidden rooms?
    
    		Joe
89.17Here's one, I think.RSTS32::FLAHERTYIs soup good food?Sun May 01 1988 16:1429
    
    	In some rooms, there are little "Wings" when you get these wings
    and then go into the door, instead of going to the next level, you skip
    up to 6 levels.
    
    	Spoiler:
    
     The is one in the room that looks like this:
    
    
    
    		 ------------     ------------
    		|            |   |            |
                |   ------   |   |  --------  |
                |   |key |   |   |  |door  |  |
                |   |    |   |   |  |      |  |
                |   ------   |   |   ------   |
                 ____________     ____________
    
    
    		I think you know the room I am talking about. 
    		I forget exactly where it is, but I rember having to
    		place a brick then removing it. I'll see if I can
      		get the game back for a while to find specifics.
    
    				   Hope it helps...
    					Pat..
    
    	
89.18read/newTEMPE1::KISTLERMon May 02 1988 18:066
         In room 20 in the upper left hand conor is some thing under
    the brick that I put in there but I haven't been able to do any
    thing with it could this be one of the warps?
    
    Kendall
    
89.19NEXUS::G_GEIGEROberkfell to Garcia to Perry!Mon May 02 1988 22:487
    re:.18
    
    There are some more that I have found but I can't
    figure out what to do with them.
    Someone please help?!
    
    Glenn
89.20#47NEXUS::G_GEIGEROberkfell to Garcia to Perry!Mon May 02 1988 22:494
    I have made it to room #47, but this is where
    I can do no more, any spoilers to this room?
    
    Glenn
89.21SSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodayTue May 03 1988 15:5316
    Spoiler warning for where a warp is...
    

    
    In the room pointed out in .17, the wings (warp for you Mario types)
    are at the very top above the upper right hand 'solid' brick.  You
    need to create a brick in that spot, then remove it to get them.
    
    More time is available at the very top above the upper left hand
    solid brick.  Once again you need to create a brick then remove
    it.
    
    Once you've collected the wings, you'll be in room 13 when you exit
    through the doorway.
    
                              Roak
89.22SSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodayThu May 05 1988 17:415
    Re: .21
    
    Did that work for anyone?
    
                          Roak
89.23What room?TEMPE1::KISTLERThu May 05 1988 21:014
    It night if i could find the room that is being talked about.
    I made it all 43 yesterday with a warp.
    Kendall
    
89.24SSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodayFri May 06 1988 04:583
    I think it's room 7 or so.  See reply .17 for a picture of the room.
    
                                     Roak
89.25NEXUS::G_GEIGERSat May 07 1988 23:097
    .21   No! Argh!
    
    
    Help on Room #50,  all gray blocks!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    glenn
89.26SSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodaySun May 08 1988 16:4011
    Spoiler warning (actually a question, but I don't want to give anything
    away...)

    
    Is there anyway to keep from dropping back to room 41 when you die
    in 42 or 43?  I'm having problems with 43, and I have to keep going
    through 41 and 42 to get there.  It's now just a matter of wasting
    time, because I'm so practiced in 41 and 42 that I zip right on
    through them.  I'd rather stay in 43 after I die if possible.
    
                                Roak
89.27Room 42SSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodaySun May 08 1988 16:4614
    Spoiler warning (more like a giveaway...)

    
    *Before* room 42 starts, hold the controller to the upper left,
    and be ready to snap your whip.  When the game starts, Dana will
    jump, and you'll be able to snap out and land on a block and then
    snap out the block under the upper left fire (the one that you used
    to have to go all the way down to the bottom and up again to get
    at).  While you're there snap out the block under the upper right
    fire, then go get the key (which is invisible in the very upper-right
    hand corner until you create and delete a block there) and get out
    all in less than a minute or so...
    
                                 Roak
89.28NEXUS::G_GEIGERMon May 09 1988 04:196
    Not that I know of, it will take you back to #41 every
    time you die from there on.
    
    My solution to this problem...........Hit Reset! Argh!
    
    Glenn
89.29NEXUS::G_GEIGERMon May 09 1988 04:205
    p.s.
    
    I believe that room #43 is impassible without fireballs.
    
    Glenn
89.30DONE!....i think?NEXUS::G_GEIGERThu May 12 1988 07:3320
    Well sportsfans, looks like I defeated SK
    last night. Well it would appear so.
    
    Details_	
    		After entering Solomans' Shrine,
    		I reached the book and hit it with
    		my wand, the screen went blank
    		and came back and said..........
    		"The secret to Solomans' key is
    		now in this book!"  Or something
    		to that effect.
    
    Question on the side_
    		Why do I feel this is not the ending?
    
    Plea for explaination_
    		help?
    
    
    Glenn
89.31Here ya go.ATSE::FLAHERTYIs soup good food?Sun May 15 1988 17:2810
    
    re.:30
     spoiler:
    
    You must get all of the "solomon's seals" the little star of davids
    on the black rectangle. Get all 8, i think its 8? and you will see
    the true ending.
    
    			Rember the purpose?
    			    Pat..
89.32StarsNEXUS::G_GEIGERSun May 15 1988 17:537
    re: Pat Flaherty
        reply 31
    
    Any hints in all eight stars of David.
    When, where, how?
    
    Glenn 
89.33TEMPE1::KISTLERFri May 20 1988 13:2024
    SPOLIER:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    There are stars of david in room 9 and in 13
89.34I forget. I'll ask.ATSE::FLAHERTYIs soup good food?Sat May 21 1988 12:5110
    
     	I just borrowed the game back yesterday, and it seems like I
    forgot alot. I have a friend who is really good at the game and
    I will ask him for anything he can give me. I'll post it as soon
    as I get it. Meanwhile, I'm having some trouble. Two omonths without
    playing a game is too long!
    
    			 Did ya ever notice???
    			      Pat..
    
89.35HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????TEMPE1::KISTLERMon Jun 13 1988 20:553
        I could sure sue some help getting thru rooms 45 and on up.
    
    Kendall
89.36TEMPE1::KISTLERMon Jun 20 1988 20:023
    AHARRAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! HOW DO I GET OUT OF ROOM 46?
    
    KENDALL
89.37ARHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TEMPE1::KISTLERFri Aug 05 1988 13:054
    Any and all hints on how to get thru room 49 would be greatly
    accepted. i can get to the floor of the room but no farther.
    KENDALL
    
89.38Can't beat 43TRCT02::WALDNERTue Jan 03 1989 23:0418
Arghh!!,

  I just can't seem to get past 43 without fireballs!!  I ace 41, then do the 
jump trick at the start of 42 and get creamed on 43.  Then back to 41.  What
is the trick?

  If I hang around waiting for a break, the salamanders drop down and torch
me.  My usual opening is the scram to the left, build a ramp four high and
skip up to the left side of the shelf.  The I die three times after a right-
ward assault on the ghosts and the neverending stream of salamanders.

  I have tried finding fireballs in 41, 42 and 43 but so far have had no
luck.  Can anyone give me a clue to how to beat this level.  I am curious
as to what lays ahead.  Previous notes hint at impossible tasks.

Frank

PS  I have found the 'SEALS' on 41 and 42.
89.39HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SAFETY::MORRELLFri Jan 06 1989 11:348
    Does anyone know how to get out of room 43?  I have trying to do
    this for the past week and I cannot get out of here and I can't
    get any fireballs into this room with me.
    
    Please help me!!!!!!!
    
    Kathy
    
89.40WARP 39->45TRCT02::WALDNERFri Jan 20 1989 15:5518
  I found a WARP to level 45!!  Try this on level 39:

+----------------------------------------+
!                                       K!
!  ^                                     !       K = key
!  !   +---------------------------+  ^  !       F = hidden flag (warp)
!  G   !                           !  !  !	 D = Door
!  !   !                +-------+  !  !  !	 G = Ghost
!  v   +----------------+       !  !  G  !
!F                          D   !  !  !  !
+-------------------------------+  !  !  !
!                                  !  v  !
+----------------------------------+     !
!                                        !
!                                        !
+----------------------------------------+

regards, Frank
89.41MAGIC on Level 20TRCT02::WALDNERFri Jan 20 1989 16:1121
I discovered a trick on level 20 that is really worth noting.  This is the 
screen where most of it is covered with demonic seals and you have to master
the stretch zap and the leap.  In the top left is a blank spot that you would
normally ignore since you are so close to the key and the door.

If you zap it, it will become a brick and if you zap it again it becomes a
magic sign of some sort, but you can't make it go away or capture it.  Zap
it again and it becomes a brick.  Now, if you bump it from below twice to
break the brick, you'll find nothing there ... for a few seconds ... but
wait and suddenly it appears.  Then you can grab it, though not always on
the first try.

It's worth an extra Dana plus 500,000 points!

I have only made this work for me after I have captured the zodiac sign
under the top space right of the key and only on the first man into
level 20.  My highest score to date is 1,146,200.

Anyone know how to beat level 45 ??

regards,  Frank
89.42Another WARPTROA02::WALDNERMon Jan 23 1989 15:2233
Found another warp - I think its on level 29.  This is the screen that's hard
to get started.  You'll find a hidden flag on the floor just below the door.

+-------------------------------------------------------+
!							!
!    +--------+					 d	!	d = Dana
!    !        !					+--+	!	D = Door
!    !  +--+  !					!  !    !	g = Goodies
!    !  !g !  !					+--+	!	G = Ghosts
!    !  +--+  !						!	K = Key
!    !        !                  +--+			!	F = Flag
!    +--------+                  !  ! G G               !	f = Fire
!				 +--+			!
!					        G G	!
!				 +--+			!
!				 !  ! G G		!
!				 +--+			!
!							!
!		+--+       +--+				!
!		!  !K      !  ! 		+-------+
!		!  !       !  !			!       !
!		!  !       +--+			+-------+
!	  D	!  !		      +--+		!
!	  F	!  !               f  !  !	       g!
+---------------+--+------------------+--+--------------+

I think Soloman's Key is a great game.  Has anyone else tried it, beat it ?

I don't want to think that I'm the only person playing it!

regards

Frank
89.43WALLAC::KISTLERMon Jan 23 1989 15:276
         I haven't played for a while, got cought up in Zelda.
    I have gotten as far as room  49 but havent beaten it yet
    am planning on getting back at it soon, will let you know
    how the battle goes.
    
    KENDALL
89.44Link's got me!COEM::SCOPAThe MajorMon Jan 23 1989 18:027
    I spent a lot of time on it about 6 months ago but got frustrated in
    room 43....spent 6 hours getting there and then got frustrated.
    
    I too am involved with The Adventures of Link and plan to finish it
    before going back to Solomon's Key.
    
    Link/Dana Mike
89.45Blown away at 46 & 43TRCT02::WALDNERWed Jan 25 1989 23:2115
I see that EVERYONE is busy playing LINK, but I am still working on solving
SOLOMAN's KEY.  I work my way up through the screens to Room 39 and then warp
into Room 45.  It turns out that Room 45 is relatively simple, but Room 46
is something else!!

I can understand trying a concentrated assault on rooms 41-50, but I just
can't seem to get by 43 and just have to give up after a futile number of
restarts at 41.

		H E L P  ! ! !


regards

Frank
89.46WALLAC::KISTLERThu Jan 26 1989 16:357
         I broke the game out lastnight and got as far as room 39
    before exhausting my fireballs and dieing will try again tomorrow
    night seeing as how i have a meeting i have to go to tonight. I
    do remember that after room 48 they take all the stored up fireballs
    away so you might as well use them up in the earlier ones.
    
    Kendall
89.47Stuck at level 49 - HELP !!TRCT02::WALDNERSun Feb 19 1989 14:4615
 Well,

  Those of you who regularly read 89.* have seen me ask for advice on 
progressively advanced topics regarding Soloman's Key.  I've finally made it
to level 49 with 5 Dana's and 5 Fireballs with 2,677,000 points.  But, darn it,
I can't seem to get ANYWHERE in level 49.

  To begin with, I noticed that the 5 fireballs that I had at the completion 
of Level 48 mysteriously vanished once I appeared in 49 and I am trapped in
an all-grey rectangle in the upper right with a salamander.  This is not very
funny to me, since it took a solid hour and a half to get there!

  I would appreciate a spoiler from anyone who has mastered SK.

regards,  Frank
89.48still at itTEMPE1::KISTLERThu Mar 23 1989 14:159
         One of the blocks at the end of the room will break if you
    smack it with the wand. timing is critical in this room to say the 
    least. The fireballs disappear because(get this they want to make
    the game more challenging. -;) that is what I was told. I have made 
    it to the bottom of the room but haven't gotten out of it. I have just
    started playing again and have gotten as far as 46 before croaking but
    some of the tricks are comming back. 
    
    Kendall
89.49Need the last Tip - HELPTRCT02::WALDNERSun Apr 16 1989 23:3413
  While I have made SOME progress in beating 49, I still have not found a way
to get at the symbol in the middle.  Thanks for the tip on breaking the grey
bricks I was able to move counterclockwise around the screen but can't seem to
find the right way to the middle.

  This SOLOMAN's KEY is a GREAT game, but I sure would like to finish it one
of these days.  I have been at it since Christmas and I have not yet tired of
it.  If there is anyone out there who has conquered this quest, I would really
appreciate a tip on how to finish off the game.

thanks,

Frank (and 10-year-old side-kick Dan)
89.50End is not the ENDTROC01::WALDNERMon Jun 26 1989 17:4013
AT LAST!!!!

  We got through to the end.  But why does it not FEEL like the end?

  Admittedly, we warped through as many screens from beginning to end as it
was possible to do, but something tells me that this 'cheating' does not let
the real ending be revealed.

  Does anyone know what is supposed to happen once room 49 in conquered?

regards

Frank (and Dan)
89.51MASTER HINT neededTROC01::WALDNERSat Jul 22 1989 16:2224
Whew,

  While I have finished Soloman's Key several times, I have been unable to
get to the "GOOD" ending.  I realize that I must find the eight stars of
David and so far I have only been able to find 6 of them.  Can anyone give
me a clue?  So far I have found the following:

	Room 9  - In the center maze on the right side
	Room 13 - In the center 4 blocks up
	Room 17 - In the upper right corner
	Room 19 - On the top left step
	Room 21 - To the left of the door
	Room 29 - In the middle below the shelf

  Based on the numbers, I suspect rooms 25 and 33 and have searched them
quite thoroughly without results.  I also am starting to look through rooms
37 and 45 but would appreciate a hint or two.  I don't think there are many
Soloman's Key players out there, but I really like the game.

  A hint would be gratefully accepted.

regards

Frank
89.52TEMPE1::KISTLERMon Jul 24 1989 14:184
        I would like a couple of out and out hints on how to get out of 
    room 49, I will take a trip thru tonight and see if I can locate the
    missing stars.
    Kendall
89.532 more sealsSONATA::LEONARDTue Jul 25 1989 16:316
    RE: .51
    
    See reply .38.  He references two rooms that have seals.
    
    Good luck!
    
89.54SK DocumentationAKOV11::JOSBACHERTue Sep 05 1989 16:1114
    I was recently introduced to NES and discovered Solomon's Key as my
    kind of game.  Unfortunately, I have no documentation for it.  My
    fellow travelers have lost both their hardcopy and memory versions. 
    They've shown me some tricks, like uncovering an invisible bell in an
    open space or changing some treasures with whipcracks, but I'd like to
    have a fuller sense of the means at my disposal.  I mean, I *would*
    like to solve screen 5 (I know, I know, everybody else is worrying
    about 43 or 49).
    
    Would someone please enter some relevant background information here
    or, possibly, a send copy of the booklet for me to study?  My address
    is Frank Josbacher AKO1-2/D12.
    
    Thanks for your help.
89.55MAJOR SPOILER WANTED ON SOLOMON'S SEALSSONATA::LEONARDMon Dec 04 1989 16:0415
    Hi All,
    
    Is anyone still playing this game?  I need a major spoiler on how to 
    get out of room 46!  It is extremely frustrating to spend alot of time
    to get to this point and then die!  Any help is greatly appreciated.
    
    I also need an out-and-out spoiler to the location of the eighth
    seal.  I have found seven of them (I found the six mentioned in
    note 89.51).  The seventh is after the formfeed:
    
     Room 46 has a seal.  Where is the eighth one? If you can, please 
    tell me which room and approximately where in that room!  Thanks
    a million!!
    
    Ann L.
89.56Master SpoilersTROC01::WALDNERSat Dec 09 1989 20:1549
If you have found the seal in room 46, you are doing very well (it is above
the door).  I have found that beating level 46 requires some fireballs, and
if you have super fireballs its even better.  To do the following, you need
to read these steps very carefully.

1.  Start with a run to the left along the bottom and zap a brick in the
    third stone from the left.  Jump up on it.

2.  Stretch zap a second stone in the leftmost column on the second row up
    and jump onto it quickly.  Now you can catch your breath.

3.  Work your way up this way to the row below the slamander shelf and knock
    off the giant between salamander runs with a brick that he steps on that
    you zap out from underneath him.

4.  Now for the tricky part.  Facing right, at the right time put a brick and
    fire your first fireball.  That will kill the first salamander.  Turn left
    and fire your second fireball.  That will go up the wall and kill the
    second salamander.
5.  Don't waste time admiring your shot, jump up and run right to the end of
    shelf, pop a brick, jump on it, face left, pop a brick and jump on it.
    Now those salamanders can't get you.  Knock off the top giant if he still
    remains, grab the key and escape through the door.

-----------------------------------------------------
!             				!
!     F2          ---------------    K  !
!--------     B9
!       F1       B8
!     -------------
!   B7
!B6
!     B5
!B4
!     B3
!B2
!     B1
---------------------------------------------------------


Good luck,

Now, for the last seal, you'll find it on level 47 in the upper right corner.

Have fun.  More spoilers for you when you've beaten screen 47.

regards

Frank
89.57thanks for help!!!SONATA::LEONARDWed Dec 13 1989 11:4024
re: -1

Frank,

Thank you,Thank you,Thank you!!!  You have just save my game from 
the wastebasket!  Your detailed note got me right through room
46.  Thanks again.  I made it through room 47 (and found the seal, thanks!).  
Still working on room 48.

I have another question: The instruction booklet talks about two missing
pages - "Time Conjuration"  and "Space Conjuration".  I have found both
pages.  I have no problem getting the first page and leaving the room.
I can get the second page but get stuck in the inverted triangle of
gray blocks and have to wait for time to run out (and lose a Dana).
Have you found these two rooms and do you run into the same problem
that I am having?  I can tell you where they are if you don't already
know.

Thanks again for all your help.  I think this is the most challenging
game I've played yet. 

Regards,

Ann
89.58The 'Full' StoryTROC01::WALDNERFri Dec 29 1989 00:2814
Good question!

Before you "go for it" on the second 'special' room, take a run over to the left
and zap the open door.  Then you should be able to zap the bottom stone.  Then
you can get the prize and scram without losing a man.

Have you completed the 'full' game yet?  To do that, you need to get all 8
seals as well as the two 'special' scrolls.  The first scroll appears after
room 20 and the second appears after room 44.  You will then get the 'princess'
room after room 48 and then you'll need to finish with the Solomon Room.

Let me know if you too are a 'master'.

Frank
89.59THANKS FOR THE TIP!SONATA::LEONARDTue Jan 02 1990 14:2213
    Thanks for the tip on the second 'special' room.  I will try it
    tonight. 
    
    I have gotten to the princess room and have no idea how to get out of
    it.  I lost seventeen men in this room and was ready to pull my hair
    out!  I got to the solomon room on the next game I played by not
    collecting all the seals but I realize this is not the true ending.
    
    I let you know how I make out.  Thanks again!
    
    Regards,
    
    Ann
89.60Help on 'Princess' RoomSONATA::LEONARDWed Jan 03 1990 12:177
    Well, I was able to get the second prize in the 'special' room without
    losing a Dana thanks to Frank's invaluable help.  Could I impose on
    you for one more spoiler?  How do I get out of the 'Princess' Room?
    It is driving me crazy.  Thanks!
    
    Ann L.
    
89.61The final HintTROC01::WALDNERFri Jan 05 1990 19:2214
Ah, the princess room!  If I gave the secret of that room up the game would
be all over, since it is the last real obstacle if you have gotten that far.

I won't give you the answer, but I'll give you a hint.

Minor spoiler:

Some of the grey bricks break.

Another spoiler:

Don't blow out the flames too soon.

Good luck!
89.62STILL CAN'T GET PRINCESS ROOMSONATA::LEONARDTue Jan 09 1990 18:407
    Well Frank,  I think maybe I'm just drawing a blank at this point.
    I still can't get through the princess room.  I guess I don't
    understand what you mean when you say "don't blow out the flames
    too soon".   Any more hints you can give me.  I'm at my wits end.
    Thanks,
    
    Ann
89.63Princess Room SpoilerTROC01::WALDNERWed Jan 17 1990 21:5225
OK,

  Princess Room spoiler follows .....

  Step 1: Stand top and centre and you'll be able to break some grey bricks on 
          both left and right.

  Step 2: Drop down the right hand side.  Zap the column of grey bricks on your
	  way down.

  Step 3: (I'm not sure if this is required, but do it anyway).  Stand up on a 
          block and zap the flame.  Nothing happens, then zap the brick under
	  the flame and climb back to the top.

  Step 4: Repeat for the left side.

  Step 5: The grey stone next to the last grey stone that you broke on the
	  bottom of the left column should now break.

  Step 6: Try the same things again on the inner heart and you should succeed.
	  (I don't want to give away all the secrets just yet).

  Good luck!

Frank
89.64<- Looking for Soloman's Key ->BTOVT::BERGERON_DMon Jan 29 1990 18:459
    Can anyone help me out?????  I have been looking to buy this game for
    several months and everywhere I look-NO LUCK!!!!  I live in the
    Burlington, Vermont area and so far nobody has had this game for sale.
    I rent the game whenever I can get hold of it.  It's pretty popular be-
    cause it's rented out all the time.  
    
    
    Thanks,
    Debbie
89.65In MerrimackTROC01::WALDNERTue Feb 13 1990 23:0812
Debbie,

  I bought SK a year ago at "Tons-o-toys" in Merrimack NH while visiting the
US on business (I'm from Toronto).  It made an excellent xmas gift and I think
I got lots more play out of it than my son.  I don't know if it is still
carried, but I did see it for sale not long ago in Toronto.

  I heard that SK-II is on the way. Oh boy! Oh boy!

regards

Frank
89.66continuous play feature????BTOVT::BERGERON_DMon Mar 12 1990 16:5610
    I  noticed back in Note .13 that a continous play feature was
    mentioned.  I would like to know more about it.  I'm still trying
    to make my way up through the screens and it seems that I end up
    getting killed by the time I reach the upper twenties.  Is there
    such a feature?????  Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
    
    
    Thanks
    deb
    
89.67try this to continueCURIE::BERNIERMon Mar 12 1990 21:5022
    
    
    	re: -1
    
    
    	I think to continue you do the following,
    
    
    	Up,A and B  you should start where you left off
    
    	This is from Nintendo Power magazine 
    	Its doesn't say if you hold all of them at once or not.
    	You'll have to try different combo's if it doesn't work.
    
    
    	Also coloect 10 fairies to gain an extra life
    
    
    	Hope this helps
    
    
    	Wayne
89.68BTOVT::BERGERON_DTue Mar 13 1990 18:133
    Thanks alot Wayne, I will give it a try!!!!
    
    Deb
89.69A+B+UPTROC01::WALDNERThu Mar 15 1990 00:1611
It's been a while and I don't have the game with me right now, but as I recall
you have to hold A and B and UP while the music is still playing at the end of
the game.  Do it quickly after you've lost your last Dana or it won't work!

This only works up to room 41, after that you can only restart from room 41
and I've never been able to survive long without an accumulation of fireballs
which you have to get prior to room 41.

good luck

Frank
89.70"THE END OR NOT THE END??"BTOVT::BERGERON_DMon Apr 02 1990 14:2811
    Where and What is the "Princess Room" ??  I see it referred to several
    times in the notes.  With the help of many others I finally made it to
    what seems to be the end of the game.  We didn't warp and made it all
    the way to the end and all the monsters went into a cave and then it
    sunk into the ground.  Is this the real ending???  I never came to a
    Princess room, I did however, make it to the room with the book and
    right after that is when everything else happened(monsters sinking
    in the ground).  
    
    
    DAB
89.71Princess RoomTROC01::WALDNERSat Apr 14 1990 13:4517
Regarding the "Princess Room" ...

  You have to collect all eight seals (Star of David) through the various
rooms in which they are found.  In addition, you must also have both scrolls
(or whatever they are) and then you will be presented with a special room
after room 48 called the "Princess Room".  After you finish that room, you will
continue to the "Soloman Room" as you have already done.

  If you have done all this, the 'true' ending to the game will be revealed.  I
have found three different endings.  The simple one, which does not have a
finality to its closing message, a better one that you get with all eight
seals, and the true ending with the seals and the two scrolls (these are the
special rooms after rooms 20 and 44.

good luck,

Frank
89.72Special FairyTROC01::WALDNERMon Jul 02 1990 20:498
  My son showed me something I had never seen before out of a Nintendo magazine
that I just had to write up in the Soloman's Key note topic.  This really works!

  In room 17 when you bump the top right GREY brick, just above where you start,
hit it 11 times and a special fairy pops out.  Catch the fairy and all the other
bad creatures turn to fairies!

  Try it, you'll like it!
89.73To Frank: 10,000,000 Thanks!DZIGN::KJOHNSONThu Jul 05 1990 10:5829
    Thanks, Frank!!!
    
    I found the Nintendo Notes file by accident Tuesday (looking for
    a notes file that might help with a laundry problem) and was 
    delighted to find other solomon fans.  I was really stuck on the
    princess room and the flame trick worked very well.
    
    My ending score was over 7,000,000 but I was so excited I forgot
    to write it down.  I haven't seen a higher score in this file
    so wonder if some people are zipping through rooms to fast to get
    all the treasures..??
    
    I tried Frank's trick in room #20 for gettting points for the 
    'face on the wall' but failed.  There's another 'face' further on
    in the game and tried the #20 trick there and failed again.
    
    No one has mentioned their EDV score.  Yesterday when I successfully
    finished I had and EDV of 80 which was only 1 point more than when
    I was stuck in the princess room, so somehow think I'm missing a
    few tricks or treats somewhere.
    
    I'll be happy to share room #s of some of the more valuable treasures
    if anyone is still interested, they include gold seals, gold eagles,
    gold 'flower-faces', and '1-up' jars.
    
    Thanks again Frank for saving me.  I was afraid I'd never see the
    end of the game.
    
    Karen
89.74SK is Alive Again!TROC01::WALDNERFri Jul 06 1990 21:3037
Glad I could help.  I found that Soloman's Key is the best game I've played
yet, and I've played quite a few.  I'd give SMB-III second place.  I would
love to hear about some of the other treasures you've found.  I thought I'd 
found most of them already, but this flower-thing sounds intriguing.

I suggest that players of Soloman's Key who would like to start a list of
'fabulous treasures' use the following notation:

Treasure		Room	Location	Acquisition
======================	====	========	=========================
1-up jar (Red)		  3	R1 - C15	Place stone, then break

Where: R designates brick row numbers
       C designates brick column numbers

	+-------------------------------+	I don't really remember
R1	|			      	|	the number of rows and
	|				|	columns on the screen,
	|				|	but most players must know
	|				|	about the 1-up in the
	|				|	upper right corner of
	|				|	room 3
R15	|				|
	+-------------------------------+
	 C1                          C15


  I'll start playing again and see how many "FT's" I can find.  Let's try
to keep these limited to truly special prizes.

  There is one sort of FT that I keep finding in many rooms that we call
Origami - is looks kind of spiky.  I think its worth 100K points.  Flags
for warps are not really worth points, but I do consider them FT's as well
as the gold seals and the golden 'birds' and the star of David.  The special
scrolls need not be included since they are already in special rooms.

  OK SK players - let's revive the interest!
89.75Treasure Teasers!DZIGN::KJOHNSONMon Jul 09 1990 16:2752
    Hi Frank,
    
    I'm glad you still keep up with SK.  I was afraid you'd miss the
    thanks.  
    
    I found room 47 to be most difficult.  It's the only one I never
    could get out of without using at least 2 Dana's.  I also never
    had the problem of getting thrown back to room 41 if I died in 42
    or 43, but never ever got out of 43 without fireballs going in.
    
    I'll start with clues to my FT's but if you want more details,
    I'll be glad to share.   
                                        
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    1) The first 'flower-face' is in room 19.  Worth 500K I believe.
    2) I found 5 flags.  If mathematic progression in correct, there
       would be a 6th in room #47, but I couldn't find one.  This is
        probably because it's game-end.
    3) The gold seal, like the flower-face, must be found on the first
       time in the room.  If you die, it does not appear on Dana's 2nd
        run through.  I've found 5 or six of these (my notes are at
       home) and the first that I know of is in room 22. The gold seal
       may well be your Origami...actually, it looks like a geometric
       seal or swan on a skewer.
    4) I only ever found one gold eagle, and it's in the same room as
       a flag, a little more than halfway through the game.  Like the
       seal and the flower-face, get it one the first pass at the room.
    5) Rooms 33 and 45 have more than 1 surprise.
    
       And I hope you found the 2nd fairy bell in rooms 1 and 33.  
       Don't forget that filled and half-filled time jars and hourglasses
       are treasures because they help increase your point score.
                                                         
       P.S.  The face on the wall in 38 behaves the same as the one
             in 20, only slower.
    
             If you have many Dana's to spare in the princess room,
             you can really build up your score by wasting a few
             Dana's because the origamis there come back!
    
       Have a blast.  I agree, of the 16 we own, SK and it's deceiving
       simplicity is the best because it really challenges the gray
       matter.
    
       Don't forget the EDV!
89.76HELPWALLAC::KISTLERMon Jul 09 1990 18:249
         I have been playing this game for 2 years now and have a couple
    of questions. 
    	1. how do you get the sear in room 20 the one in the upper left 
    	   of that room, and the other one in room?
    	2. There are 8 stars to be collected but I have only foune 5, could
    	   someone please tell me where they all are. 
    Major spoliers would be greatly apprecaited.
    
    Kendall
89.77oopsWALLAC::KISTLERMon Jul 09 1990 18:254
    PARDON THE SPELLING  in the last that is suppose to be seal, not sear,
    in 1.
    
    Kendall ;`)
89.78answers to 89.76DZIGN::KJOHNSONTue Jul 10 1990 10:4828
  

   Kendall,
                       <Spoiler> 

   

  








   Answer to 1):  See notes 89.18 and 89.41
   Answer to 2):  See 89.51, room 17, location is about 3 rows down 2 from
                  the left.  Also Room 46, top of door, and 47 last block
                  on right, zap flame, make block, break block.

 
   Dumb question:  How do you create a form feed (^L) in answer/edit?
                   I created this one in EDT/Edit and brought the file in
                   answer/edit file.txt.
  
    
    Karen
89.79CO-OPERATIVE TREASURE MATRIXDZIGN::KJOHNSONTue Jul 10 1990 11:51129
                    TREASURE MATRIX FOR ADDICTS!       

       I don't want to take the adventure out of the game yet,
       so I'm only going to fill in part of the matrix, Treasure
       and Room:

       I suggest that new players avoid this spoiler, because part
       of the fun of this game is discovery, so unless you've made
       it to the Solomon Room, I'd advise skipping it.

       It might be fun if my fellow SK-Addicts fill in the Location/
       Acquisition.  It will also help correct any errors my failing
       memory may have generated!  Also, please add in any I've
       missed.

       Some of the objects are named as what they look like to me
       because I couldn't find the object in the instruction book.

       These are Hidden treasures.  If I screw up and include a
       treasure that is visible when you enter the room, please
       correct me. I've also included Super FireBalls because
       they can be very valuable for survival.

                       <SPOILER!>

       

       Treasure            Room           Location        Acquisition
       ========            ====           ========        ===========
       1-up (jar)            3  (Frank already did this one!)
        "                   35
        "                   40
        "                   47
        "                   48
       1-up (teapot)        46


       Origami*             22
         "                  23
         "                  26
         "                  32
         "                  33
         "                  44
         "                  45
         "                  46
         "(2)               Princess 

       Red Jewels           All Hidden Rooms
         "                  Both Secret Hidden Rooms
         "                  40
         "                  Princess Room


       Hour Glass           
        Blue (2)            14
         "                  38
         "   (1)            39

        Red                  7
         "                  32
         "                  34

       Time Bottle **       22
           "                33
           "                44 (This MAY be a .5)
           .5               37

       Hidden Fairy Bell     1
         "                   6
         "                  14
         "                  33
         " (2)              37
         " (2)              38
         "                  39
         " (2)              40
         " (2)              47 
         "                  All Hidden Rooms


       Note:  Some Pink Dragons become fairies if you break the block
              on which they are standing.  So do some Gargoils (cat-like
              things that shoot fire-balls). 

       Super Fire Ball      19
         "                  29
         "                  39
 
       Coins                 5
         "                   6
         "                   7
         " (2)              13
         " (5 or 6)         24
         "                  35
         "                  36
         "                  33
         "                  34
         "                  45
         "                  48
         "                  

       Face on the wall *4  20
         "                  38

       Flower face          19
           "                30
           "                41
                            

        Golden Eagle        31

        Warp Flags           7
           "                15
           "                23
           "                31
           "                39

        Medicine of Meltona  2
           "                15



     * Frank, please confirm that we are talking about the same thing.
       If not, we can rename this 'skewered seal'.

    ** Medicine of Edlam  (.5 = 1/2 filled bottle)
  
   *** Secret Hidden Rooms are after 20 and 44

    *4 This not only gives points, it also gives 1-up!
89.80ALL SK SpoilersTROC01::WALDNERSat Aug 18 1990 15:13106
    Here is a list of all the spoilers similar to the list provided
    in .-1, but sorted room by room.  This is intended for those who
    have conquered the game, but want to find new and different ways
    of continuing to play it.
    
    I have tried my best to include all items, but there will always
    be others that you have found.  If you can add to this, your reward
    will be the bestowal of the title "SOLOMAN WIZARD" following your
    name.
    
    [ALL spoilers FOLLOW]

    
Room  Row-Col   Item            Acquisition

 1     10-4     Bell            Invisible (I)
 3      1-14    1-Up            Invisible - 1st Attempt Only (1stry)
 6      1-15    Green Diamond   I
 6      5-1     Bell            I
 7      1-2     Gold HrGlass    I
 7      1-14    Flag            I
 8      8-12    Bell            I
 8      6-14    Bell            I
 9      8-10    Seal *          I
 12     7-13    Bell            I
 13     9-8     Seal *          I
 14    10-13    Bell            I
 14     7-13    Green HrGlass   Hidden (H)
 14     3-13    1-Up            H - 1stry
 14     7-3     Green HrGlass   H
 15    12-11    Flag            I
 17    10-3     Bell            I
 17     7-7     Pixie           Bump 11x from Below - 1stry
 17     2-14    Seal *          I
 19     5-5     Seal *          I
 20     2-1     "Cat" 1-up+1M   Zap, Zap, Zap, Bump from Below - 1stry
 20     8-4     Green HrGlass   I
 20     2-11    Zodiac          I
 21     6-12    Seal *          I
 22     8-11    Origami         I - 1stry
 23    12-15    Origami         I - 1stry
 23     3-3     Bell            I
 23     4-4     Bell            I
 23    12-4     Flag            I
 24    12-15    Zodiac          I - 1stry
 ?      9-14    Origami         I - 1stry
 26     1-6     Origami         I - 1stry
 27     3-14    1-Up            I - 1stry
 28     1-15    Zodiac          I
 29     6-3     Red Diamond     I
 29    11-8     Seal *          I
 30    10-2     1-Up            I - 1stry
 30     2-8     Gold/BlackFace  I - 1stry
 30    10-14    Poof Bottle     I
 31     1-9     Milk Bottle     I
 31     1-7     Bell            I
 31     8-8     Gold Lion       I - 1stry
 32     9-15    Gold HrGlass    I
 32    12-8     Bell            I
 32     5-8     Origami         I - 1stry
 32     7-15    Zodiac          I
 33    12-7     Bell            I
 33     6-15    Zodiac          I
 33     1-8     Milk Bottle     I
 33    12-2     Bell            I
 34     3-7     Gold HrGlass    I
 35     6-8     1-Up            I - 1stry
 37     7-17    Bell            I
 37     5-14    Bell            I
 38     5-6     Green Jar       I
 38     5-10    Green Jar       I
 38     9-15    "Cat" 1-up+1M   Zap, Zap, Zap, Bump from Below - 1stry
 38     9-1     Green HrGlass   I
 38     4-2     Bell            I
 39     7-1     Flag            I
 39     6-7     Green HrGlass   I
 39     6-8     Bell            I
 39     6-9     Red Diamond     I
 40     6-4     Zodiac          I
 40     1-13    1-Up            I - 1stry
 41    12-5     Gold/BlackFace  I - 1stry
 42     3-8     Gold/Blackface  I - 1stry
 42     4-8     Bell            I
 43     5-7     Gold Lion       I - 1stry
 44     6-15    Origami         I - 1stry
 44     5-1     Zodiac          I
 44     2-4     Bell            I
 45     8-3     Origami         I - 1stry
 46     6-14    Teapot 1-up     I - 1stry
 46     1-14    Seal *          I
 46     2-11    Bell            I
 46     5-9     Milk Bottle     I
 46     4-11    Origami         I - 1stry
 47     4-11    1-up            I - 1stry
 47     6-14    Gold Lion       I - 1stry
 47     1-15    Seal *          I
 48     3-13    Origami         I - 1stry
 48     4-5     Zodiac          I
 48     5-4     1-up            H - 1stry
 49    12-11    Origami         I - 1stry
 49    12-5     Origami         I - 1stry
 

Finished the game with 25 Dana's and 7,176,300 points,  GDV-82


89.81BLKWDO::KISTLERSat Sep 08 1990 15:018
         I have found the secret special room after 20 and I can get the
    scroll what I want to know is how do you get to the bottom of the 
    screen. I have tried breaking the gray bricks and had no sucess can
    any one help me. there are a couple of brown bricks in the lower part
    that sugest that there must be a way to get down there. Any and all
    help is greatly appreciated.
    
    Kendall
89.82Secret Special RoomTROC01::WALDNERSun Sep 09 1990 23:4412
    Re: .81
    
    You get to the secret special room twice, once for the upper half
    after room 20 and then for the lower half after room 44.  I believe
    you must not have missed collecting any of the special 'seals' (star
    of David).  This special room holds the two mystical scolls of TIME
    and SPACE, as I recall from the instruction booklet.
              
    You need both scrolls plus the two remaining seals to complete the 
    game with the 'true' ending.
                                                       
    
89.83HELP!!!!!!TEMPE::KISTLERFri Nov 16 1990 16:3410
         Help!!!!!!!!! I can get to the Soloman room but can't figure out
    how to get thru this room. I can get by the fire breathing dragon and
    the ghost at the top and have even made it to the bottom of the floor,
    and once even worked my self up the left hand side and broke a brick
    up there and that is where I end up. There is no place to go except
    back down to the floor. Any big time help would be greatfully excepted.
    This is the room that when you get there it wipes out any fire balls
    that you might have saved to that point.  Thanks in advance.
    
    Kendall
89.84Last RoomTROC01::WALDNERSun Nov 18 1990 00:0016
    Kendall,
    
      And I thought you were the grand master of Soloman's Key!!  OK,
    so you've worked your way counter clockwise onto the shelf after
    breaking the brick.  That's most of the work.
    
    [SPOILER]
    

    Now wink your wand at the 'Mirror of Camir'.  That is required before
    you can break the brick to the right of the 'book'.  Then wink at
    the book and its over.
    
    Let me know if this is not clear enough.  Good luck
    

89.85TEMPE::KISTLERSun Nov 18 1990 18:4910
         Well for as much as I play this game I ought to be the grand
    champion but the truth is I have never finished it. I can get all the
    way to room 47 in about 1 1/2 hours but always seem to mess it up some
    how the last time the dog got in the way and pulled the controller out
    of the plug and when I stuck it back in I was back to room 41 with no
    fireballs. I will sitdown and go thru it tonight when I get home.
    I have this great obsession to finish it now all the other games are 
    collecting dust untill I finish this one. Thanks for the help.
    
    Kendall
89.86TEMPE::KISTLERFri Nov 23 1990 21:047
         Well I went thru and made it all the way and got the good ending
    where all the goodies came out of the cave and all the baddies went in.
    Good ending. Now for the problem I started bragging to the wife and the
    the neices so they wanted to be showen the ending and wouldn't you know
    it I can't bet past 46 Oh well maybe tonight. The ending to this game
    is the best I have seen so far.
    Kendall
89.87Save the ending foreverCURIE::KJOHNSONTue Nov 27 1990 15:207
    Kendall,
    
    Try turning on the VCR when you approach the end and tape it.  Then
    you can show anyone anytime!
    
    good Luck!
    Karen
89.88All major spoilers accepted...TEMPE::MERRICKStark Raving Sane!?Sat Jul 04 1992 14:098
    Does anyone still play this game?  I got it last week, and I love it.
    But I can't get past room 20 (the one that's mostly demonic seals and
    you have to do the wild jumps).
    
    I can get to a certain point about half way up the left side, and
    that's all.  If anyone is still playing I'd love some help...
    
    Ellen
89.89level 20 in solomons key. CSC32::B_GODWINMon Jul 20 1992 08:2913
   In order to get to the exit of level 20 you have to stretch to build bricks
in the spaces that do not have the mirrors in them. you need first to fill in 
some of the open spaces on the right side of the screen and then buiuld and climb
up the left so that you can reach the blocks that you made on the right. Once	
situated above ground on the right you build and work upwards on the right and 
make your way back to the upper left corner. form there it is easy to make your
way to the key and the door. some times it is possible to jump when you enter 
this screen to jump and get the key right away. there is also some secrets in 
this room. an hour glass hidden on the lower left, the hidden room key in the 
upper right and an intricate trick located in the top left corner that you can
find explained elsewhere in this note.

  Brian
89.90Help on 44 & 45?TEMPE::MERRICKStark Raving Sane!?Fri Aug 28 1992 17:2411
    
    Any hints on 44 and 45?  
    
    If I get to 44, I can get the zodiac sign and break the blocks under 
    the fire next to the door, but then I can't get back across to 
    finally get up to the top without dying in one fire or another.
    
    If I warp to 45, I can get the key and the origami, but I can never
    get past that last mirror where the demons come out...
    
    Ellen
89.91Only the seals?TEMPE::MERRICKStark Raving Sane!?Sat Oct 03 1992 13:377
    Earlier notes stated that you had to have all the seals to get the
    special rooms after rooms 20 and 44.  I always get the one after 20,
    but I've never gotten the one after 44.  And I have all the seals.
    Do you also need the zodiacs?  I've been skipping the one in 44 
    because that's the only way I can get out of it...
    
    Ellen
89.92secret roomsCSC32::B_GODWINMon Oct 05 1992 03:404
in order to get into any secret room you must get the
zodiac symbol in the room just before it. If you get all
of the stars, up to 20 and miss getting the zodiac
symbol in 20 you'll miss the secret room as well.
89.93Dying cartridge?TEMPE::MERRICKStark Raving Sane!?Mon Oct 05 1992 13:2413
    A couple of strange things happened while I was playing yesterday.
    
    First, at then end of one of the rooms, the music sounded like it
    was going slower, sort of like an old 45 record played on 78.  Then,
    in a different game, in room 31, I had zapped the warp then decided
    not to get it, and some of the gray blocks changed to brown (but 
    they were still solid).  Later, in room 48, I noticed that I was
    able to run through some of the fires...
    
    Are these things normal?  Do I have a mutant cartridge or is it 
    just wearing out?
    
    Ellen