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Title:Nintendo Game Systems
Notice:Please enter Super NES notes in Yuppy::Super_NES.
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Created:Tue Oct 20 1987
Last Modified:Mon Feb 03 1997
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31.0. "TOP GUN" by CSC32::M_PFOFF (Nickeled and Dimed to Death) Mon Dec 07 1987 16:37

   	 I added this note to talk about TOP GUN
    
    	I got TOP GUN this weekend and I think it is a good game. Not
    a great flight simulator, but a lot of fun. You start off in a
    F-14 tomcat on the flight deck of the Enterprise. You have 4 missions
    to complete with landing on the aircraft carrier at the end of each.
    Plus in missions 2-4 you have to refuel, which is a lot of fun.
    Mission 1 is air battle, Mission 2 sea, Mission 3 land , and mission
    4 is unknown. I have completed the first 2. Before each mission
    you get your choise of missles, which is important. There are 3
    kinds, depending on power and the amount your bird can hold. 
    
    	X1 power missles	amount=40
    	X2 power missles	amount=20
    	X4 power missles	amount=10
    
    I found that the X2 missles are the best for sea and land battles,
    but X1 is fine for air battles.
    
    	I you have the NES advantage controller you will find that the
    Slow function does not work, this is because there is no way to
    pause the game. Plus, if you set the controller for continuous fire
    you will have a tuff time landing and near impossible time refueling.
    So, what I do is leave it on continuous fire and then when it is
    time to land/refuel take it off. The controller is great for this
    game.
    
    	You will find the graphic are good and the play is fast. From
    just playing one weekend I would rate the game a strong 8 to 9.
    I can't wait to find out what mission 4 is.......
    
    
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31.1Great game...VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziTue Dec 08 1987 13:1434
    Basically, I agree with our previous noter. The T-22 missiles are
    sufficient for land and sea battles while the T-11s are great for
    dog fighting.
    
    Mission 1 was fairly easy to get through. I was even able to land
    the plane on the aircraft carrier when it was time. Landing is not
    that hard if you have taken any flying lessons before. The fundamentals
    are the same.
    
    The furthest I have gotten is to the end of mission 3. I was shot
    down while trying to destory the enemy's land fort. Final score
    was 47,400 points. I have no idea what each enemy item is worth
    when you destory it and if you get more points for shooting it down
    with cannons as opposed to missiles.
    
    It is not the greatest flight simulator in the world but I don't
    think that is what it is intended for. It is an exciting game that
    makes you want to get better. You don't get another plane every
    50,000 points. You get 3 planes period.
    
    Refueling is interesting. It is pretty tricky too. I was able to
    forgo refueling during a mission (mostly because I couldn't hook
    up with my refueler) and still complete the mission. At that time
    I had 10 T-33 missiles with me. It only takes a couple of them to
    destroy the aircraft carrier.
    
    If anyone gets to mission 4, let us know what it is like. If anyone
    finishes mission 4, really let us know what happened. I was so close
    to getting to mission 4 last night. Close doesn't count in this
    game :-).
    
    I would rate it a 9.
    
    Mike
31.2This game gets me more interested the more I playVINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziWed Dec 09 1987 21:4328
Semi spoiler to follow:

Well, I have been able to successfully get past missions 1-3. Hi score
is now at 71,600. Definitely a good game. Once you past 50,000 you get
a message on the screen after you use up all planes that says you have
joined the "best of the best" and it has a picture of the Top Gun
trophy in the corner. Pretty neat.

Mission 4.... Ah yes... I didn't get too far into it but it got real
interesting. The mission is to destroy the enemy's space shuttle. The
mission map appears to be a setting in the Indian Ocean and you launch
close to Saudi Arabia. The "X" that marks the space shuttle appears to
be about where Moscow would be in the real world. Subtle...

I started mission 4 and there was lots of aircraft coming at me. It tests
your dogfighting skills. Next is combat air-to-sea or something like that.
More enemy planes come at you and they are real tough to shoot down. I
was able to get by on missions 2 and 3 by not dealing with ground/sea level
obstacles and just by dogfighting. I imagine as mission 4 progresses, I
will not be able to get by on that. I am still wondering which missiles
I should take on mission 4. If I bring T-11's I can shoot down more things
with guided missiles but if I bring T-33's I probably can destory the
space shuttle quicker.

Now to find out what happens after mission 4... There must be something.
It can't just end. I'll be real disappointed if it does.

Mike
31.3After Mission 4?GEMVAX::TYPESETFri Dec 18 1987 18:206
    I have been reading about Top Gun, and I wonder what happens after
    you have mastered Mission 4? Are there other Missions? I would like
    to get this game for my boyfriend but it seems like once you get
    through all the Missions the game is no good? 
    
    Sharon
31.4DONT BE STINGY SANCHO::KILDUFFSat Dec 19 1987 19:3322
    I BOUGHT TOP GUN 2 DAYS AGO AND MADE IT TO MISSSION 4. BUT DID NOT
    FINISH IT ,THANKS TO MY WIFE. WHO QUITLY PUSHED THE POWER BUTTON
    IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OUTRAGEOUS DOG FIGHT!! AND WISPERED "HEY TOP
    GUN YOUR GROUNDED DO TO BAD TURBULENTS HEADING YOUR WAY"NEEDLES
    TO SAY SHE WAS RIGHT. I WAS HOOKED. I TOOK A LOOK AROUND ME. THERE
    WAS EMPTY POP CANS,PLATES AND CANDY WRAPPERS ALL OVER THE FLOOR.
    SO I APOLOGIZED TO HER AND EXPLANED TO HER WHAT I WAS DOING FOR
    THE LAST 48 HOURS... THEN STARTED CLEANING UP AS SHE TESTED  HER
    SKILLS AT TOP GUN. WELL AFTER MY MESS WAS CLEANED UP AND A HOUR
    OF PROMISES I FINALY GOT TO TAKE THE CONTROLS. I PLAYED FOR ABOUT
    ANOTHER TWO HOURS AND NEVER MADE IT MISSION 4 AGAIN. I CAN'T
    WAIT UNTIL TONIGHT MY WIFE IS GONNA BE OVER AT HER FOLKS HOUSE
    LATE. WOW!! WHAT A TERRIBLE THING FOR A NEWLY WEDD TO SAY!!!
    
    
                                                     HAPPY FIGHTING
                                                          P.J
    
    
    
     
    
31.5INFORMATION PLEASESANCHO::KILDUFFSat Dec 19 1987 19:454
    P.S: IF ANYONE FINISHES MISSION 4 PLEASE LET US NO IF IT ENDS HERE.
    
                                                       THANKS P.J
    
31.6What's after the shuttle???VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziMon Dec 21 1987 13:0418
    I have yet to complete mission 4. I have gotten to it and have been
    about half way through. Tonight, I was planning on taking it to
    town and going all the way through mission 4.
    
    Some hints for doing it:
    
    I found that you get more points for destroying more enemy "items".
    If you want to live, you stay high in the sky and avoid fighting
    as much as possible in missions 2 and 3. I usually fight the first
    few planes and then climb to around 30000 feet and keep my nose
    pointed that way. If you do this long enough, you approach the enemy
    target, destroy it and then back to the ship. I think I am going
    to try this in mission 4 too.
    
    If anyone finishes off the space shuttle, please let us know what
    comes next! I am dying to know.
    
    Mike
31.7Is TOP GUN a first person game?SSDEVO::OAKEYEver been UNDER an iced-over lake?Mon Dec 21 1987 21:418
    Is 'Top Gun' a first person game?  That is, is the view displayed
    on the screen just like you were sitting in the cockpit, (a 'la
    BATTLEZONE) or are you looking at the plane from an external vantage
    point (a la' ASTERIODS, DEFENDER) -- a third person game?
    
                             Roak
    
    BTW -- I'm referring to the arcade versions of the above games...
31.8insideCSC32::M_PFOFFNickeled and Dimed to DeathMon Dec 21 1987 21:594
    
    	You're in the plane, you see instruments and a forward view
    	out through the cockpit. Plus a radar/rear view (when needed).
    
31.9Your next mission.....EUCLID::FRASERCrocodile sandwich & make it snappy!Sun Dec 27 1987 20:598
        Anyone else seen the F14 land, the canopy come up and the pilot
        wave in triumph  yet?    I  completed it tonight with a Top Gun
        high score of 66,500....
        
        Andy
        
        PS.  Got Solomon's  Key for Christmas - not bad, with some good
        puzzles.
31.10still no win for meVINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziTue Dec 29 1987 21:0617
    Re .-1,
    
    I think Andy has shown us what happens at the end. I have still
    not completed all 4 missions! I just got 84,300 points and died
    while I was trying to destroy the space shuttle. I think I have
    finally found a use for the T-33 missiles....
    
    Anyone take a picture of their high score yet? I got this coupon
    with my game that you can mail in a picture of your high score (off
    the TV) and enter a "TOP-GUN" competition. They choose 4 finalists
    based on score and then you have a shoot off with the other contestants
    and the winner gets a free trip to the USS Intrepid museum (I think).
    
    Time to get back to the NES and destroy that shuttle!!!
    
    Mike
    (call sign "Rocket")
31.11it's enough to make you mad...VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziWed Dec 30 1987 12:1910
    Believe it or not, I finally destroyed the Space Shuttle. But I
    crashed trying to land on the ship!!!! I guess I was so excited
    that I blew the task at hand. Words cannot describe my anger (well,
    they can, but I don't want to bore you with the four letter words
    with -ing on the end).
    
    My high still stands at 84,300 (destroying the shuttle left me at
    about 83,000).
    
    Mike
31.12And he completes all 4!!!VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziThu Dec 31 1987 00:4710
    Yes siree... He defeats the enemy and wipes out the space shuttle.
    It appears that after you win, you start your missions over but
    your score continues to climb. I died in the first mission after
    landing safely after destroying the space shuttle. Nice little ditty
    comes up when you land (pilot waves from the canopy).
    
    I wish I had know to keep going and add to my score. New high score
    is now 101,700. Time to make that obsolete!
    
    Mike
31.13Where can I get TOP GUN?MLCSSE::PICCICUTOAll I want is more than I'll get!Mon Jan 11 1988 11:047
    
    I'm trying to locate a TOP GUN game PAC somewhere in the Mass/Southern
    NH area...anyone know where I can get one?   By the way, I was in
    the Pheasant Lane mall in N.H. Friday and they had 24 NES basic
    systems, by Saturday morning they were sold out!!!
    
    Phil
31.14Entertainment WarehouseMONSTR::DUTKONestor Dutko, VMS/VAXclusters CSSEMon Jan 11 1988 11:555
    I was able to pick up a copy of TOP GUN at the Entertainment Warehouse
    in the Phesant Lane Mall in NH, but that was a week ago.  When I was there,
    they had about 16 copies.  Did they ALL sell?
    
    -- Nestor
31.15Try Caldors at Shoppers WorldJAGUAR::HARRISMon Jan 11 1988 20:329
    Caldors at shoppers world in Fram./Natick had a dozen or so Sunday.
    I was there Saturday trying to find a NES and they told me they
    were getting 25 in Sunday morning.  I got their at 12:30 and they
    only had three left(they open at 12:00 on Sundays).
    
    I can't figure out how to refuel I try to follow the on screen 
    instructions but can't seem to do it anybody have any hints???
    
    -Bruce
31.16Missions 2-4 onlyMONSTR::DUTKONestor Dutko, VMS/VAXclusters CSSEMon Jan 11 1988 23:456
    Note, you can only refuel when you are past mission 1.  Even then,
    you can only call for the tanker, ie begin the re-fueling sequence
    once you have gotten so low that you start to get a Fuel low warning.
    (believe me, you'll know it.  The alarm is rather obnoxious).
    
    -- Nestor
31.17Practice, Practice, PracticeSEINE::RAINVILLEThe best view is close to the edge!Tue Jan 12 1988 03:3312
    Re: .15
    When I refuel, I watch a spot between the descending siphon and
    the blivet that shows up in the radar whenever the siphon gets
    close.  I try to memorize the on-screen instructions, then
    watch that spot and associate what I see with the instruction
    I expect to come next.  It seems you connect if you stay centered
    for a minimum period of time..????
    
    I'm sure it would be smoother if I had an advantage joystick, I
    can't find one in Gardner, Fitchburg or Leominster. 
    Annybuddy seen any ???                               MWR
    
31.18tellMPGS::SWEENYMon Jan 18 1988 16:494
    the tiger is the best to destroy the shuttel i just climb and climb
    to be safe you go through about three difrent stages my high score
    is 86,200 i dont want to spoil the fun so i wont tell what the end
    is like.
31.19VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziMon Jan 18 1988 19:3120
    re .18:
    
    Spoiler follows:
    
    
    Yea, I found that T-33's are the best for destroying the shuttle.
    It takes fewer of them and you can concentrate on dodging the mess
    coming at you.
    
    About the continuous climb through the 3 missions:
    
    It's the easy way get to the shuttle. You don't get many points.
    My highest score is 101,700 and that's with shooting things down.
    
    As to the end of the game - there just ain't one. After destroting
    the shuttle, you start the missions over and your score continues
    to climb. So don't shut that game off just yet, keep escalating
    your score....
    
    Mike
31.20Thinking twice now.GNUVAX::ANGELONEI'll clean em and fry em !Thu Jan 21 1988 14:508
    I have seen the version for Commadore and IBM compat's and
    it is "not good ! this is not good Mav". But after this I
    may change my mind about selling my system and games.
    
    Thanks gang
    
    Rick call-sign "Ghostrider" A..
    
31.21SourcesVAXWRK::INGRAMLarry IngramThu Jan 28 1988 16:347
	If anyone is still looking for this game, Woolworth in the Natick Mall
	store had about 50 of them as of this afternoon. No exageration!

	Also, Kay-Bee in the Natick mall and Toys-R-Us in Framingham had a
	bunch of Advantage joysticks.

Larry
31.22Help for Junior PilotIND::MONDROWMon Feb 01 1988 18:237
    I am a newcomer to TOPGUN and I need some tactical suggestions.
    I seem to get through mission 1 ok but die quickly in mission
    2.  Any tactical or strategic help would be appreciated.  I have
    the Advantage Joystick and it is great.  One question though.
    Why does the continuous fire option seem to inhibit landing and
    refueling.  
    
31.23it does take practiceVINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziMon Feb 01 1988 20:1726
    RE .22:
    
    About continuous fire... I think that makes landing and refueling
    difficult because it simulates pushing the A button many times.
    During landing and refueling, pushing the A button speeds up your
    aircraft (I think).
    
    About mission 2 and some tactics. I guess I use the memorization
    tactic. Basically, every mission is the same from game to game so
    if you can picture the sequence of events as they occur, you can
    anticipate the next event. In mission 2, the first plane appears
    on your left and almost imeediately after that, the next plane appears
    higher than you and he fires a heat seeking missile. It takes practice
    from there.
    
    By the way, the heat seeking missiles can be dodged. If you are
    breaking high and right and a missile begins to home in on you,
    dive to the left just before it hits and it will fly right by you.
    If you are too slow, you'll get hit and if you move too soon, it
    will readjust its course.
    
    Spend more time evading the missiles instead of trying to shoot
    them down.
    
    Good luck.
    Mike
31.24EUCLID::FRASERS & Y _&_ & Y Tue Feb 02 1988 13:0116
        RE 'Tactics'...
        
>    Spend more time evading the missiles instead of trying to shoot
>    them down.        
        
        Mike just  gave  you  the best advice you'll get, I think.  You
        can go all  the  way  through  the game avoiding (almost) every
        oncoming plane, missile, gunship, AA shell etc., by keeping the
        nose up and weaving as  soon as you see anything coming at you.
        Your score won't be so great  though for obvious reasons.  It's
        a delicate balance between hitting enough targets  and avoiding
        the rest - don't forget that the aim  of the game is to make it
        through the last phase, not to destroy everything on the way...
        
        Andy.
        
31.25SLOWLY EARNING MY WINGSBMT::MONDROWFri Feb 05 1988 15:2311
    I thank you for all the advice.  I have been practicing in the
    training mission to dodge the missles and I am happy to say that
    I am learning some pretty evasive tactics.  I am also learning
    to avoid the entire situation by avoiding planes based on their
    relative paositions on radar.  The last two times I have played,
    I have gotten to the first target before getting blasted.
    Any suggestions on how many Rockets it takes two blast the Aircraft
    Carrier?  I have used both T1 and T2 rockets and have been blown
    up both times before I could not it out.
    Ttanx for all the help and I will keep plugging in there
    Hal
31.26VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziSat Feb 06 1988 15:1221
    Re .25:
    
    For missions 2 and 3 I carry the T-22 rockets. They offer enough
    fire power to destroy the carrier with not too many shots. I think
    it takes about 6 or 7 of them total. Another helpful hint about
    destroying the aircraft carrier (it applies to the land base too):
    
    Try to keep shooting the aircraft carrier with guns between missiles.
    This will allow you to use fewer missiles and it is not too hard
    to hit the carrier with guns. The missiles that the carrier launches
    I find usually must be shot down (at least one of the two). Go for
    the higher one and the lower one will miss you.
    
    When you get to mission 4, you'll want to take T-33 missiles for
    the space shuttle. By the time you are ready for 4, you should be
    adept enough at shooting planes down good enough to not rely on
    missiles.
    
    Good luck and let us know how you make out!
    
    Mike
31.27I AM IN TOP GUNBMT::MONDROWWed Feb 24 1988 16:3013
    I am making progress.  The only real time I get to devote to
    TG is on the weekends after skiing.  At this time there are three
    or four frustrated jet jockies waiting to get their hands on
    the joy stick.  We really seem to get pretty involved in it and
    act as a cheering section when we are not actually in the pilot
    seat.  I have proceeded to mission three and have gotten as far
    as taking shots at the land based target however the one time
    I got that far I was heavily damaged and lst it in the cannon
    fire.  Thanks for the useful info and I will let you know
    regards
    Hal.
    P.S. I have made it ito the Top Gun mebership with a score of
    50,300
31.28In Colorado, buy TOP GUN at...CSC32::C_BESSANTFri Mar 11 1988 01:0811
    For all those folks in Colorado Springs search for TOP GUN, the
    search has ended (while supplies last that is :-) --
    
    Lionel Playworld on Academy Blvd. and Circus World at the Citidel 
    Mall both them in stock at 32.99 and 37.99, respectively. They each
    got about 2 dozen in so get'em while they last.
    
    Also, they both have the NES Advantage joy stick at 39.99 and 49.99,
    respectively. As you can see, Circus World is a tad expense.
    
    Chuck
31.29Let's win the TOP 4BAHAMA::KNIGHTMon Mar 21 1988 18:279
    
    Has anyone sent a photo of their highest TOP GUN score?
    
    Digital should be represented on that carrier.
    
    I wonder if the play off will be in real flight simulator's?
    
    Ken :-) 
    
31.30TOP GUN needs the right joy stickBAHAMA::KNIGHTThu Mar 24 1988 19:4022
    
    I've been playing TOP GUN with my EPXY joy stick and having a real
    hard time docking with the PLANE to refule.  I found out yesterday
    after ripping apart the unit that the AUTOFIRE off button had a
    break in one of the leads to the pad area. (Lousy Joy Stick)
    
    Even with tinfoil to complete the connection its not good.  So
    I went in search of the NES Max controller I've heard so much about
    in this notes file.
    
    I finally found one at the ENTERTAINMENT WAREHOUSE in the Phesant
    Lane Mall.  I had to wrestle it out of the hands of the store manager
    who wanted to buy it because it was the last one.
    
    Now I can dock with the plane real easy.  Its even easier when I
    turn the control 180 degrees around and pretend I'm the fuel tube
    trying to catch the plane.  
    
    Since I don't die (run out of fuel) I made it to Mission 4 and 
    TOP GUN with a score of 60,800.
    
    Ken (TOP GUNS FUN - BUT YOU CAN'T DO LOOPS OR 360'S)
31.31Second Mission and Refueling hintsSSDEVO::OAKEYBuilding Yesterday's Tomorrows, TodayTue May 10 1988 15:2523
    Spoiler warning [not a real big one, though...]


    For both refueling and landing, turn off the repeat if you've got
    the Advantage.  Took me awhile to realize this...
    
    Other than that, you've just gotta learn how to handle your plane!
    
    Slightly larger spoiler warning...

    
    If you keep the nose down the entire time (stick pushed forward)
    the planes can't shoot you, and you can deal with just the ships...
    
    Turn on the repeat (somewhat slow setting) for the missles...  You'll
    lock on and fire very quickly.  Helps out a lot.  Remeber to turn
    it off when refueling and landing, though...

    You can also take out the Carrier with your machine gun, but it
    takes awhile (I had to do this once when I ran out of missles).
    
                        Roak
31.32NOT BAD FOR A GIRL!!!FASTER::BURTONThu Jul 14 1988 12:309
    I started playing TOPGUN about 3 weeks ago when my nintendomaniac
    boyfriend purchased it. Thus far, I have managed to get to mission
    four and refuel. I got "gunned down" just before zooming in on the
    space shuttle!!!! I thought that my topgun expertise was poor since
    I did not get the shuttle. After reading that most people don't
    even get to mission 4, I felt better about it. NOT BAD FOR A LOUSY
    GIRL GUNNER, HEH?!?!?!?!?!?! Now if only I could gun down Tom
    Cruise I would be all set...
    
31.33A TRUE FLIGHT EXPERTFASTER::BURTONMon Jul 18 1988 11:435
    BTW, My boyfriend just KILLED the space shuttle last night for the
    first time....so we know who is the REAL TOP{GUNNER in this
    relationship!!!
    3 cheers!!!!!!
    
31.34Can't refuel35910::KINNEYCasual ObserverFri Dec 30 1988 11:3511
    I have been playing for short time and have the hang of the cannons
    and missles, also dodging the heat seekers. I have made it through
    mission 2, but not with refueling. I just can't get it. Everytime
    it says speed up, id, and immediatly it says slow down. It says
    up up, I go up, just a touch, and I get down down. I know I will
    not get to much further if I cannot accomplish this. Frustrating.
    I have the advantage joy stick and turned off rapid fire during
    the operation and still no luck. Any other secrets or tricks that
    might be helpful.
    
    Dave.
31.35RefuelingEUCLID::FRASERLifeguard in a Car Pool.Fri Dec 30 1988 12:1518
        Dave,
        
        My brother-in-law  has/d  the  same problem until I watched him
        play a couple of games and then talked him through a refueling.
        The problem was that he was over-controlling the plane (happens
        in real flying too! in  that  he  was  giving  control movement
        until the 'UP' message or whatever went away,  to  be  replaced
        with  a 'DOWN' message because of the over controlling.    Does
        this sound like what you're doing?  In any case, The approach I
        find  works  for  me  is  to  essentially  ignore the words and
        concentrate  on  placing  the tip of the probe exactly onto the
        'X' in front of the cockpit, using only dabs of control, rather
        than  prolonged pushes  of  the  stick.    Similarly,  use  the
        throttle buttons to speed  up/slow down to get the probe tip on
        the cross and it should lock straight in. Good luck!
        
        Andy
        
31.36DENVER::PAULWed Jan 04 1989 14:595
    I agree with -.1.  Concentrate on aligning the tip with the cross.
    If the tip disappears, then you're too high or to low. The instruction
    words will tell you which.  Move to correct your height until the
    picture reappears.
    							Mike
31.37how to i.d. enemy carrier???BTO::SURRELLMon Jan 09 1989 10:0118
    
          If I decide to use the tactic of staying at maximum
       altitude for mission 2, how do I know when I'm nearing
       the carrier? Is there adifferent symbol for it that ap-
       pears on the radar screen, or do I have to keep diving
       down to sea level to check it out?
    
    
          I rented the game this week-end, and had a tough
       enough time getting the controller away from my 10
       year old, let alone sink the carrier!!!! But it did
       amaze him that his old man could land on the home
       carrier after mission 1 and he always crashed short......
    
    
       bob
    
    
31.38EUCLID::FRASERLifeguard in a Car Pool.Mon Jan 09 1989 11:456
        Re finding  the  end of phase target - you'll know, because the
        game announces that you're  on  the  target  run,  and  at that
        point, you can't miss (seeing) the carrier.
        
        Andy
        
31.39finding the carrierVINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziMon Jan 09 1989 12:469
    .37:
    
    This might be considered a spoiler so...
    
    Just keep flying at maximum altitude. When you get to the carrier,
    the game automatically brings you down to about 5000 feet and then
    beings the battle. Just keep flying until...
    
    Mike
31.40JAWS::PELKEYIf my ancestors could see me now!Tue Feb 07 1989 12:444
    Does anyone know if there is a way to jump to the second, third
    or fourth missions with out going thru mission one ?
    
    
31.41VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziTue Feb 07 1989 14:045
    Re .40:
    
    Don't think you can bypass mission 1. Sorry.
    
    Mike
31.42Refueling help.DEMING::KOZAKMon Feb 20 1989 14:317
    I am one frustrated person!  I get to the refueling stage, and must
    have tried it 30 times, and still can't do it!!  I know its me,
    but I get there and it ays UP! UP!, then instantly, DOWN! DOWN!.
     I wish I knew what I was doing wrong.  I am flying reasonably well
    but.....
    
    Andy
31.43same - no refuelingDEMING::TOPELMon Feb 20 1989 15:4912
    re:  .-1
    
    Andy,
    
    I have the same problem......  My kids (9,11) haven't had any -
    they refuel without any problem/s.
    
    I can land, shoot down/dodge others, etc  - but still haven't refueled.
    
    would also appreciate "how"
    
    Dan
31.44It's easy *after* you get it a few timesPELKEY::PELKEYIf my ancestors could see me now!Mon Feb 20 1989 17:4022
    Hey guys 42,43  I had the same problem.  Took me quite a while
    to refuel I swore there was a trick to it.  Turns out, there isn't.
    
    
    here's some suggestions that helped me.  (Infact, there in this
    note..)
    
    1. Don't over control the jet.  Fly as straight as you can.  Don't
    do any more than soft touch your controls.
    
    2. Use the small radar screen, and don't bother looking out the
    wondow of the cockpit, doesn't do any help at all.  Line up the
    fuel rod with the center cross point of the X in the small radar
    screen.
    
    3. If your using the Advantage stick, swtich off the turbo buttons.
	Helps to better control your speed up, speed down tactics.
     

    It is quite easy once you get the hang of it...
    
    
31.45*****Spoiler*****IDAHO::HOLTMon Feb 20 1989 22:446
    ****spoiler follows****
    
    	The way I refuel is I get the lowest speed I can and when I'm
    about to refuel, just speed up. It works every time!
    
    Ad
31.46refuelingDEMING::TOPELTue Feb 21 1989 10:447
    re:  -1,-2  (refueling help)
    
    thx,
    
    Looks like I'll have a gas tonight........   
    
    Dan
31.47making progressFRAGLE::STUARTit was a terrible vaxidentTue Feb 21 1989 12:4111
    
    
    last night I got into the 3rd level for the first time !!
    I didn't last long but I managed to land in the 1st level
    and refuel and destroy the carrier in the 2nd level. I missed
    my landing in the 2nd and got creamed right at the beginning
    of the 3rd. I'll try the previous refueling hint tonight as
    I still have trouble connecting.
    
    ace
    
31.48Disconnect the phone BEFORE starting!SALEM::ABATELLIFurther on down the road...Thu Feb 23 1989 19:2625
    Ok... Ok... last night I got past the training segment and landed
    on the carrier and didn't get shot once! Got past everything and
    shot down nearly everything in sight then got the carrier too!
    Again I didn't take one hit! So off I go to the blowup the enemy
    base! I was blowing up everything in sight, refueled no problem
    (I got that down to a science now) now the screen says that the
    2nd target is in sight YA-HOO and I didn't take a hit yet! 
    I'm ready guys! 
     I'm ready to wipe it out completely! 
      Blow it to heck I will! 
      
       WHA?
    
         What's that?
        
           The Phone???????      @#$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              NOOOOOooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!   NOT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Well... by the time I got back I was splattered into a million pieces!
    What did I do at that point?   
    
    I shut off the system and went to bed.   (sigh)    :^( .
    
    Fred
31.49A little discouraged? Try wimping out....CSCMA::M_ELDRIDGEMon Feb 27 1989 13:0217
    For those of you that want to finish the game and see the end...
    
    Not to brag (not TOO much, anyways!), I got to the end of the game
    last night and finished it.  It was my second time getting to the
    last level.  What I did, basically, was wimp out.  I ignored 
    everything and went for the main objective.
    
    I did this by staying up around 30,000 feet.  Whenever anything
    comes on screen, ships, landbased targets, fighters, etc... I
    tipped my nose up a bit.  Nothing on the land will hit you, and
    most of the fighters will ignore you.  Once any missile coming at
    you goes out of the window, you can tilt back and it's gone.
    
    It was actually a little disappointing to 'cheat' and finish the
    game like that.  Now I'm going to go back and fight my way through
    all levels.  A bit more challenge.  However, by cheating I still
    got 95,500 points.
31.50status.....DEMING::TOPELMon Feb 27 1989 15:3612
    Hi,
    
    Re: -.1
    Concerning your 95.5K points;  now when you start the game, does it
    "tell" you the top score is 95500 (i.e;  that scores ge 50K are
    "locked" in)?.
    
    Re:  .44,.45
    I'm still not perfect concerning getting fuel - but I'm now fueling
    up about half of the time.    
    
    Dan
31.51CSCMA::M_ELDRIDGETue Feb 28 1989 13:204
    I hadn't really noticed if it keeps track of the high score.  Perhaps
    someone else could address this.  I really don't think so.  Once
    the machine is turned off, all high scores are reset.
    
31.52it do resetVINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziTue Feb 28 1989 16:176
    As long as the game remains loaded and the set powered on, then
    the high scores are changed as necessary. Once you power the game
    off or change cartridges and then go back to TOP GUN, the high score
    resets itself to 50,000.
    
    Mike
31.53refueling made easySTRATA::BBUTKEVICHSat Mar 04 1989 01:4110
    
    
    I found a sure-fire way to fuel up every time. When the 747 comes
    over you, simply hold the button down to speed up. When the speed
    up command disappears, All you may have to do is tap the joystick
    left or right(depening what side the nozzle is on). It will 
    connect no problem.
    
                                    Bill
    
31.54more theoryWLDWST::DRAKETue May 09 1989 22:0025
    Thid is the fist time I've participated in this forum, but I have
    some additional theory for the fly boys and girls of the D.E.A.F.
    
    In mission 1 I stay at the auto-altitude and fly with my guns-a-blazin'
    veering side to side & vertically only slightly. There is no need
    for missles.
    
    In mission 2, I fly as low as possible keeping the nose pointed
    down. This increases the speed and uses less fuel than fling at
    high altitudes. 20 missles are more than enough to take care of
    the various ships and stagling jets you come accross. The enemy
    aircraft carrier can be destroyed with the guns and you get a 
    bigger bonus doing it that way.
    
    I use the same tactics for level 3 but I haven't played level 4
    enough to figure that one out. The one time I got there I was
    blown out of orbit before I could figure out what was shooting
    at me!
    
    Achieving TOP GUN is no sweat but surviving the acrobatic enemy
    space planes is another thing. I guess I'll try the high altitude
    method for that level and avoid every thing.
    
    Al
    
31.55by the wayWLDWST::DRAKETue May 09 1989 22:023
    By the way, the refueling plane is a KC-135(converted 707)
    
     Al
31.56Pause, please?SPGOGO::LEBLANCRuth E. LeBlancWed May 10 1989 17:0511
    
    This is probably a dumb question, and I imagine the answer is "no", but
    is there any way to Pause this darned game?  All the other Nintendos
    I've played have that ability, but this doesn't.  I ended up smashed
    into the ocean yesterday 'cause I had to put fabric softener in the
    @#&^&^ washing machine!!! [growl, grumble, grrrr...]
    
    Thanks,
    
    TopGun-ette [!]
    
31.57Sorry...EUCLID::FRASER_OBEY_ the laws of cartoon motion!Wed May 10 1989 17:478
        No. :^)
        
        The only  pause  you  get  is  when  you've  landed (or crashed
        trying) on the home carrier and the missile select screen comes
        up.
        
        Andy
        
31.58Another sky-pilot returns to the fleet!STRATA::PHILLIPSMusic of the spheres.Wed Nov 25 1992 16:2015
    After a long spell without Top Gun, I recently picked up a used game
    for $8 and began playing again; it is good to salve my wounded ego
    after getting hosed in Top Gun II! ;^)
    
    It took a while to regain my proficiency (several landing crack-ups,
    ouch!) but soon I progressed past my previous high point - the desert
    fortress.  Last night was the first time I made it into the space
    scenario with all my fighters intact.  However, I got wasted pretty
    quickly...... :^(
    
    Could someone who has been there already tell me the sequence of events
    in Level 4 (Air-to-air, air-to-sea, refueling, etc.) leading up to the
    encounter with the shuttle?
    
    						--Eric--