Conference rusure::nintendo

    Haven't seen Nintendo Shadowgate, but have been frustrated by its'
    Mackintosh incarnation.  My neighbor has it.  I seem to remember a
    key outside the entrance, needed to open one of the doors.  Anytime
    you "can't do that", go back a step and look for something to use.
    But beware, some items are fatal......!
    
    						Mike
    
    Spoiler alert!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Learn from the book in the hall, but lifting it is a trap!!
    
    							David
    

	 Thanks,  I found the key.  Now I'm stuck on something else.
	 I'm learning to look at 'unobvious' things.

	 /ken

    I have been playing this for 3 days now!  The last 6 hrs invested has 
    yielded zilch as far as new progress in the game...
    
    This note is a call for some all out spoilers!
    
    Here are the points I have reached...I will place them behind a LF so that
    those who have yet to progress to these points have the option to bypass
    them...
    
    
    I have gotten to the bridge guarded by the troll...
    
    I have taken everything from the room with the dragon except the treasure
    chest and gold...
    
    I have gotten the key from the skeleton in the lake, and in the ajoining
    room gotten the items that were hidden behind the waterfall...I have not
    found a way to remove the landslide rubble...
    
    I have found the secret passage in the hallway and gotten to the room with the 
    rope...I can not get to the areas that are too high for me to reach...
    
    As I had mentioned earlier...I am stuck...nothing I have tried has yielded 
    any addition clues as to what is next to do...or where I should try next.
    
    Any help anyone out there can provide would relieve a great deal of 
    fustration!
    
    A great game...but I would not get it for kids...three college graduates 
    spent the better part of their holiday getting themselves in the
    seemingly dead end...
    
    
    Thanks for any clues or spoilers...
    
    
    Craig

    Re .3:
    
    Do you have the Humana spell?  Have you been to the room with the
    mirrors?  Do you know what to do with the mirrors?  Do you have the
    stones?  How about the sceptre? 
    
    I'll trade the answer to any one of the above for information on how to
    reach the troll bridge.  :-)
    
    
    				-- edp 

    
    
    Hey!   So there are some others with this game out in DECland!
    
    RE: .4
    
    I have all the items that you mentioned and can lend you some
    assistance with finding the troll bridge.  Hopefully with this
    information you can help me with my problems...
    
    Spoiler(s) follow...
    
    
    
    In order to find the troll bridge, you must pass through the middle
    mirror after breaking it with a hammer.  You will need to get the key
    from the skeleton in the lake in order to gain entrance through the
    door.
    
    You will need two items in order to pass the flames and the monster
    guarding the door across from the bridge...
    
    
    Have you done this yet???
    
    I do not want to give away too many spoilers in 1 note so let me know if
    you need more info on how to get the key and the other 2 items... 
    
    Hope this helps!
    
    Craig

    Re .5:
    
    I think I have at least one of the items:
    
    the sphere.  I don't know what the other item is, but I just found a
    bug in the game.  When you die, you are returned to the room you were
    last in before the room in which you died.  If you entered the hot room
    and were forced to turn back by the heat, you can then die in the
    mirror room if your torch goes out.  When you return to the game by
    continuing, you are in the hot room.
    
    So I can get to the troll bridge by cheating, but I'd rather do it the
    right way.  I haven't figured out the troll yet, but do you notice the
    Humana spell causes the wind to die down there?  But there's still
    something missing that's needed for the spell -- I wonder what that is
    and whether it will solve the troll problem.
    
    Some of the objects I'm interested in but haven't figured out how to
    use are the rope (I can't take it!), the rug, the bottles, the cloak,
    and the slime. 
    
    
    				-- edp

    
    
    Regarding node .6
    
    
    
    
    You do have all the items you need...You need to make use of the cloak
    in order to encounter the firedrake before the troll at the bridge.
    
    After that though...I am stuck!
    
    Craig

    
    This is a great game...  I'm stuck right now, but I'll hack at it
    a little longer before I ask for help.  I took me a long time to
    find this game, and it was well worth the wait.
    
    paul.
    

	From reading the previous replies, it seems that noone else has
	had any trouble with the big green slime in the room full of the
	coffins...How do I get by it ? The hint says that I can set things
	on fire with  a burning torch but if I USE a torch on it, the torch
	just fizzles out, in turn killing me....Nothing I do seems to have
	any effect on it and I can't pass by it !!!!

	I have the same problem with the dragon, nothing I do will affect it
	and most times I get fried !!!

	Here's what I have...behind a FF

	I have the sword, sling, arrow, sphere, sceptre, blue gem, red gem,
	stones, some coins, key 1 and key 2.

	I have yet to figure out a way to get the brass key from the skeleton
	in the pond/lake.


	HELP!!!!

	Joe

    Re .9:
    
    To deal with the slime:
    
    I don't let it out in the first place.
    
    I don't know if there's any use for it.
    
    About the dragon, are you referring to the two eyes in the dark?  I
    have not found any way to get past it, but you can get the things in
    the room.  Which one do you want to take first?
    
    > 	I have yet to figure out a way to get the brass key from the skeleton
    >	in the pond/lake.
    
    Tell me about the sphere.
    
    
    				-- edp

    Re .10: Possible spoilers may follow..........

	The Slime:

	I accidentally let it out, and each time I enter the room, it is
	out spread across the floor...even after I save the game and
	resume it again.

	The Dragon:

	Yes. The two eyes in the dark. Each time I use the take command
	on of the items, spear, shield, helmet, I get burned up by the
	"eyes".


	The Sphere:

	I put the white gem into the hole in the wall in the room with the
	pedestal. A pink colored sphere then appeared. I took it. That's
	all I can tell you about it.....


	Joe

    
    Any minor hints on how to get the key from the skeleton in the lake
    would be appreciated.  I don't want the solution, just a hint.
    
    Thanks, Paul.
    

    
    One way to look at the solution to getting the key from the 
    skeleton...
    
    Mild Spoiler...
    
    
    
    
    Is to look no further than your notes quoted message "iceMAN"
    
    Hope this helps...
    
    Craig
                                   

	Re: 8,9,10:

	
	I have managed to get the key from the skeleton in the lake
	as well as the items from the "hot room" with the two eyes at
	the far end. BUT I STILL CANNOT GET BY THE SLIME !!!!!

	What do I do ?????

	Joe

      Ok how  do  you get behind the waterfall? Any hint would be
      appreciated. 
      
      Thanks
      
      Ken
      

    re:-1
    
    
    	To get behind the water fall you toggle move and put the hand
    pointer (in the view window) on the opening on the waterfall.
    
    	I need help with the following:
    
         <mild spoiler>
    
    
    	I've gotten to the two bridges that span the chasm one is sturdy
    the other not sturdy. 
    	If I follow the sturdy bridge, I'm taken to the wraith.
    	If I cross the unsturdy(rope and plank) bridge it collapses.
    
    
    	What do I do to get by the wraith?
    	
    	How do I "LEAVE" stuff so I can cross the rope bridge?
    	Every time I try to leave something, it tells me I can't drop it
    here.
    							Thanks
                                                              Ed
    

      Has anyone gotten past the troll?
      
      Need spoiler.
      
      Form feed follows as what I have could be a spoiler.
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      I have  3  keys,  sphere  (had)  ,scepter,  spear,  shield,
      stones, two spells, arrow, sling, sword, two bags (one with
      three  coppcoins,  one with 3 jewels but only have one left
      the red one), broom, helmet, cloak, hammer, scroll.
      
      Do you  need  gold  coins  to get past the troll? Can it be
      bribed  with  something  else? It doesn't like to be fooled
      with the copper coins. I have tried banging and hitting the
      melted gold in the draggon room but can't free up any gold.
      I have tried to get the chest open to no avail. Maybe there
      is a way to change the copper coins into gold?  
      
      Help! Help! help!
      
      Ken
      

    Reply to .16
    <Spoiler follows>      
      
      

      > What do I do to get by the wraith?
      
      wraiths hate Heat.
      
      
      Ken
            
      
      
      
      

    Re .14:
    
    I would recommend you start over to get rid of the slime.  I started
    over once (because I wanted to take the cloak off and try something),
    and it wasn't too bad to redo everything, since I knew exactly what to
    do.  (At least "everything" wasn't much for as far as I have gotten
    into the game -- a review I saw in a magazine suggests the game is
    fairly extensive -- let's hope.)
    
    
    Re .16:
    
    The wraith is defeated with:
    
    the strange torch.
    
    
    Re .17:
    
    I think we're all stuck on the troll.
    
    
    				-- edp

    Major Spoiler for getting past the Troll...
    
    Stick em with the spear....
    			
    Thanks for the wraith tip but We figured it out last night :')
    
    								Ed
    

	Spells ?? What spells ???

	I haven't been able to find any spells...

	Details behind a FF


	About the slime, I did just that, started over and didn't let the
	slime out again....


	I have defeated the wraith, taken the bottles and scroll from the
	room behind it but I cannot take the rope. I have the sword, sling,
	shield, spear,arrow, hammer, blue gem, red gem, 3 keys, stones,
	coins, cloak, bottles, scroll, scepter.....I have not come across
	any spells yet...

	are the spells after the bridge guarded by the firedrake ? I
	have not gotten past it yet....

	Joe

    Reply to .21
    <Spoilers follow>  
      
      
    There is a spell in the Rope Room.  
      
    
      
      
      What is Rope backwards?

      
      
      Look twice.      
      
      
      Have you found the room off the Rope room?

      
      
      Look very carefully at the walls.
      
      
      Ken
            
      
      
      
      

	    I haven't been able to get down to the rope room, or the
	 other room in the floor.

	    Would appreciate any spoilers.

	 /ken

Hi,

    I've been enjoying reading your exploits in the Nintendo version of
    Shadowgate.  I played the game on the Macintosh version, and from the
    questions I've seen, it sounds identical.

    For those of you who are desperate, there is a Shadowgate walkthrough
    (based on the Macintosh version) in:

        DECWET::Work3$:[Barlow.public]Shadowgate.txt

    This just walks you through the entire puzzle.  I would only recommend it
    for those who are desperate.  It is of the form:

        - mild hint; major hint; answer.

    for most of the paper.  The lines are run together, so it is almost
    impossible to read the mild hint without getting a glimpse of the answer.
    If you can find someone you trust to read the parts your stuck on and
    slowly dole out hints, that's the best way to use this.  (If you just grab
    it and read it, then why bother to buy the game?)

    Assuming the games are identical, here's something to work on that doesn't
    really have anything to do with winning the game:

        You *CAN* get by the slime.

Doug Barlow

    This sounds like a good game. A couple of General questions.....
    
    1. How much should I expect to pay for it?
    
    2. Based on the replies, I assume it's a password game, correct?
    
    3. Do you do any of the fighting, or is it like the old dungeons and
       dragons game where you just use commands and hope you used the right 
       one?
    
    Jim

re .25

In answer to question 1: I saw Shadowgate at Childworld for $49.99 recently.
I haven't seen too much variance in price in local stores for other games so
I expect that is the "going rate".

Mike

    
    I made some major progress last night.  I found three more spells
    and a bunch of other stuff... I suspect now I struggle for a couple
    of days before I get another burst...
    
    paul.
    

    Re .25:
    
    I think Toys "R" Us may have it for $45.  It is not a password game; it
    has batteries and three "files" for games.  You do no fighting; it is
    entirely command-driven.
    
    
    Re .23:
    
    To get to the rope room, see the spoiler about the wraith in .19.
    
    
    				-- edp 

>>    I think Toys "R" Us may have it for $45.  It is not a password game; it
>>    has batteries and three "files" for games.  You do no fighting; it is
>>    entirely command-driven.
    
    Three files? So you can keep three games going from where you left off
    then?  Interesting use of the word "file". 
    
    Jim

      don't quit now

      For the  life of me I can't put anything down. Leave always
      says you can't drop that here or I wouldn't do that.
      
      I need a spoiler if anyone knows how to leave objects.
      
      Ken 

    You don't have to drop anything....
    
    <mild spoiler>
    
    	All you need is alittle magic in the right place.....
    									Ed
    

      Thanks, I  got past the rope bridge yesterday though.
      Now I'm stuck getting past the statues that come to life.
      
      Ken
      

      

    I need help.
    
    
    
    
    
    Right now I'm past the throne room and and have gotten past the 2nd
    well. There's a door in that room with alot of dust and dirt and I
    can't find a keyhole. I've tried the broom( why not, neatness doesn't
    hurt) but it didn't work. Any spoilers or hints. Anything will be
    helpful.
    
    
    Jeff
    

    There's an article on Shadowgate in the January/February 90 Nintendo
    Power magazine. It helps you with the early part of the game. I'm stuck
    at the same place many of you are. How to get by the Troll. I also have
    the problem of having used up all the torches and don't know where to
    get any more, hence after dying and using the continue mode I only have
    the original torch.
    
    I have found a way to use the rickety bridge on the right in the room
    of bridges. There is another exit to the right of the wraiths chamber
    that shows on the move part of the screen but doesn't show on the main
    screen. When you select "move" and the right entrance it says its too
    high. I haven't found a way to get to it and cannot even see it. Any
    help on this one appreciated.
    
    Based on the contents I've seen so far and hearing that there is still
    an extensive part to go, I'd say this is going to be some challenge,
    which is exactly what we all like. At least it doesn't have the
    problems that ULTIMA gave me with the time it took to build up gold and
    to fight enemies.
    
    Hawaii_Harry
    
    Who_is_hooked_on_another_role_playing_game!
    

    Re .35:
    
    > I also have the problem of having used up all the torches and don't
    > know where to get any more, hence after dying and using the continue
    > mode I only have the original torch. 
    
    I never light extra torches; I just let it kill me and start me in the
    previous room.
    
    > Who_is_hooked_on_another_role_playing_game!
    
    Shadowgate is probably better classified as "adventure" than
    "role-playing". 
    
    > How to get by the Troll.
    
    Plain, outright spoiler:
    
    Use the spear.
    
    
    				-- edp

    I beat it!!!! I beat it!!! I beat it!!!!
    
    Great ending.
    
    Jeff

    Jeff:
    
    Congratulations!
    
    I've gotten to the Warlock and am stuck on how to beat him and the
    monster. Keep getting zapped. How about something along the lines of a
    hint or a mild spoiler. 
    
    This is really a fun game. It challenges you to find the right articles
    to meet the challenges.
    
    BTW, regarding the torches, I started over, picked up all the torches I
    could throughout most of the game and saved them til near the end where
    I'm at now. There are some places that if you let yourself die and do a
    continue, you lose the articles you need to continue forward, like the
    stones for the slingshot.
    
    Hawaii_Harry
    
    Who_can_smell_victory_on_the_horizon
    

    I'm still trying to defeat the Warlock and the monster but to no avail.
    I have tried everything in my goods and spells categories but without
    success. I must be missing something I need to defeat this guy.
    
    Info on one of the rooms follows where I need help. If you have been to
    the room with the cylinder on a rope and can help read on. If you don't
    want to know about it then you can stop here.
    
    
    
    I cannot figure out the sequence of the three handles to lift the
    cylinder and see whats under there. Going into the hole just causes me
    to get killed by the monster guarding the room before I can fight back.
    I've tried every combination of pulling the three handles but after
    each combination it just says "Nothing Happened, and the handles all
    return to the upward position. You can't move, break, lift or do
    anything to the round container on the rope. 
    
    I believe there's something under the container I need to defeat the
    Warlock. Anyone who's figured this out, I'm open to anything including
    outright spoilers on this.
    
    Hawaii_Harry
    
    who_wants_to_beat_this_dastardly_acting_Warlock_and_win_this_game
    

From: lim@iris.ucdavis.edu (Lloyd Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.games.misc
Subject: Shadowgate hidden room
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Lines: 43
 
Somebody mentioned about a hidden room behind the landslide but they didn't
know how to get to it.  I found a document describing how to do it so I'll
describe it.  Note that I'm using the Mac version.  This may or may not work
for other versions.  If it does have a hidden room, it should open the same
way.  The hidden room is not necessary to solve the game.
 
You need a torch, the jar of stuff that smells horrible (that's next to the
jar of goo-gone), and the sling.  Go to the landslide room.  Close the jar.
Load the sling with a rock.
 
Save the game.  Positioning the jar is the tricky part because it must be in
an exact spot to work.  Behind the landslide you'll see two steps (that's what
they are if you were wondering).  Each is in white with a single pixel black
border.  The jar is white with a single pixel black outline.  Place the jar on
top of the bottom step.  The left of the jar and the left of the step should
line up.  The bottom of the jar outline should be lined up above the top of
the outline of the step.  Using crude ASCII graphics it should look like this:
 
    X   X
    X   X  <-- jar
r   X   X
o   XXXXX
c   XXXXXXXXXXXXX
k   X
s   X              <-- bottom step
    XXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
Put the jar in the proper place.  Operate the torch on the jar (it will say
the jar doesn't catch on fire but ignore it).  Operate the sling on the jar.
The heated jar should explode and the landslide should be pushed away.  If it
doesn't work, you had the jar in the wrong place so open your saved game and
try again.  I have a MacWrite document with pictures.  If you need it mail me
but I think I describe it just as good here (except for the picture).
 
To those of you that have already done this, the author of the MacWrite
document says that the hidden room will help you a lot in solving the game.
Well, the only thing I see that could help is the bottle of black liquid.
Does anyone know what this does?
 
+++
Lloyd Lim     Internet: lim@iris.ucdavis.edu (128.120.57.20)
              Compuserve: 72647,660
              US Mail: 146 Lysle Leach Hall, U.C. Davis, Davis, CA 95616

    Re: -1.
    If the jar of black liquid is all you get out of the room with the
    landslide then you will find that later on in the game you can collect
    a similar (or perhaps the same) black liquid jar. I'm not sure what it
    does either but I believe if you use it on yourself it says that it
    tastes sweet. If you try to take off the cork the replay says that it
    won't open. But you can use it with the use command.
    
    Still could use some help on my previous replies.
    
    Hawaii_Harry
    
    who_is_consistently_getting_creamed_trying_to_fight_the_warlock
    

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   BUT COULD FIND IT. ANY INFORM. WOULD HELP
    HANSEN
         

    re: to Hawaii_Harry(I think)
    
    Spoiler follows on how to open the can in the room with the handles...
    
    
    To open the can up, the pattern is....
    
    
    Pull down the right, pull down the middle, the put the right back up.
    
    Hope this helps, and sorry it took so long to get back.
    
    Jeff (the first person to reply to beat the game)

    OK I give up.... 
    How do I get the trunk open?????
    
    Anybody, H E L P !!!!!!
    
    Thanks

    Reply .44
    
    Don't waste your time.......you don't need it
    
    (This is the trunk with the dragon right)
    
    greg

    Oh Bless you Greg.
    
    Now on to other things...
    
    thanks

    		help - oh - help - oh -help.....
    
    Great game!! But before I go bald from tearing my hair out - 
    
    I would appreciate any help -
    
    I am stuck in three places - I cannot get by the hell hound,
    I cannot open the dirty dusty door next to the well,
    and is there any way to get thru the doors that are too high
    to reach (the one that shows on the "map" but you cannot see
    because it is around the corner and the one with the ledge below it).
    
    Any hints or minor/major spoilers please?
    
    

    As for the dusty door..
    
    
    No need for it, try another way in the room.
    
    As for the doors to high..
    
    
    There are others ways which you will find later.
    
    Who exactly is the Hell hound and I'll answer for you.
    
    Greggers

     Just bought and started this game a few days ago.  So far it's been
   great!  Much different than anything else I've played on the NES in
   presentation and style.  

     Most of the discussion in this topic has generally been about the
   area before the Troll Bridge.  A question to those that have finished
   or almost finished the game.  Is there a lot more to this game other
   than that area?  Is it as extensive as the mags have claimed?  I'm
   worried that either there isn't much more to the game or it gets too
   easy based on the lack of "hints needed" replies in here.

-rick
    

    The game is still very hard after the troll and you've still got a
    a fairly long way to go. I've finished the game and believe me the game
    is very interesting and challenging.
    
    My .02 worth
    Jeff

    	I am looking for the cloak and I can't find it. Is it in the 
    closet in the first room ?  
    
    	I can't cross the bridge in the room after the mirrors. every time
    I go through the mirror It says its much too hot and puts me back in
    mirror room. is there something special I need ?
    
    At this point in the game should I have any magic ? If so could I get a
    hint as to where to look ?
    
    	
    				Thanks,  Kevin

    Thanks Jeff for the input!

    I have a few questions after the formfeed.



     In the first section there is a room that contained the arrow on the
   wall.  Above the arrow is a door.  Is there a way to get up to that
   door?  I've tried everything including the "light" bottle and nothing
   works.

     In the corridor where the Wraith is, there is a passageway to the 
   right and up that is also seemingly unreachable.  Is there a way to
   get up to that room?

     Is there anything worth getting in the room with the statue of the
   green snake?  Again, I've tried everything (or thought I did).  I 
   have a feeling there is, because the hint for the room is "don't
   quit now".

     No outright spoilers needed.........yet.

-rick     
    

       Some hints for .51(Kevin) after the formfeed.
    
    
     
>    	I am looking for the cloak and I can't find it. Is it in the 
>    closet in the first room ?  

        No it isn't.  Have you met the Wraith yet?
    
>    	I can't cross the bridge in the room after the mirrors. every time
>    I go through the mirror It says its much too hot and puts me back in
>    mirror room. is there something special I need ?

        Your answer lies in your first question.    

>    At this point in the game should I have any magic ? If so could I get a
>    hint as to where to look ?
    
        You need to investigate quite a bit more.  Have you found the
      room with the rope?  Also, you definitely need to find that Wraith!!
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    -rick    

    
    	I have found the room with the rope, but every time I go down
    through the trap door I die. is there another way?  
    
    	Is the wraith the thing that comes out of the first coffin, and
    screams? If not then I haven't found him yet. If it is him, then I
    don't know what to do with him. I'mm sooo confused.
    
    					Kevin

    Is this game like Dragon Warrior? Do you hit the enemy by hand control
    or does the computer place hits and misses for you. 
    
    SLAM

                        
>    Is this game like Dragon Warrior? Do you hit the enemy by hand control
>    or does the computer place hits and misses for you. 
    
        No hand to hand combat in this one.  You try to pick the correct
     item/weapon to use on the enemy and wait for the results.  Not very
     many battles either. I don't think it is anything like Dragon Warrior
     or Ultima , though.


hints for .54 behind <ff>


    
>    	I have found the room with the rope, but every time I go down
>    through the trap door I die. is there another way?  
 
        Yes there is. Have you found all the doorways in the corridor
      where the book is?

    
>    	Is the wraith the thing that comes out of the first coffin, and
>    screams? If not then I haven't found him yet. If it is him, then I
>    don't know what to do with him. I'mm sooo confused.
    
        That was the Banshee.  The Wraith will be found if you find the
     other way to the rope room.

-rick
    

    
    >>>Re .16:
    
    >>>The wraith is defeated with:
    
    >>>the strange torch.
    
    	Is there some trick to using the strange torch on the wraith?
    I have tried USE, all I get is "The torch is held close to his face,
    nothing happens".  Repeating the sequence only repeats the same
    message.  I have also tried to LEAVE it there - "nothing happens".
    What am I doing wrong?
    
    
    
    
    

    Re .57:
    
    You need to light the strange torch.
    
    Use the strange torch on a lit torch, or vice-versa.
    
    
    				-- edp

    Re .58:
    
    	Thanks!  I will try this tonight.  I just assumed that it was
    lit by USE-ing it.   Also, one more question, regarding the book...
    (behind a FF...)
    
    
    
    	Is there something to be received from it?  I have tried all
    of the commands on it, all I get is dropped through the floor.
    Someone told me there is a...
    
    (possible spoiler)
    
    
    	...key to be had from the book, is this correct?  If so, what
    is the trick to obtaining it?

    Thanks!
    /T-Bone
        

    
       I'm starting to roam the halls of Shadowgate aimlessly.  Need
     a non-spoiler type hint on how to defeat the Hellhound that is
     guarding the platinum horn or a hint on what to do after I cross
     the river Styx or how to open the door in the room with the well.
     The door that is dirty and dusty.  Or else I'm going to need a
     hint on the best type of action I can impart on the cartridge to
     incur the most damage, as I hurl it at my television set....8^}
     Just kidding.
    
    
    -rick

    Re .59:
    
    Yes, you can get a key from the book.  I don't remember the command to
    use; it should be either read, use, or open.  Try them again -- you may
    have accidentally used the right command but got the cursor off to the
    side (on a candle) instead of the book.
    
    
    				-- edp

    How in the &$^&%#&%^# do you light the strange torch?  I
    figured, when it wouldn't work, that you had to somehow light
    it first.  Well, I had tried the tip in .58 and it didn't work.
    Used it on the ones in the picture and on the list of items.
    Nothing worked!!  There's got to be more to it....unless I have
    the wrong strange torch?
    
    HELP!
    
    
    
    Thx
    Bob

    Re .62:
    
    There are lit torches in your inventory -- the torch or torches burning
    on your inventory card, not just the word "torch".
    
    
    				-- edp

    Answer on how to defeat the Hell Hound:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    In the room where the mutant dog pounces on you when you open the
    latch, there is a hook in the floor, move the cursor over the hook and
    say use, the hook will rise and you will receive a vial of Holy Water;
    Use the Holy Water on the Hell Hound.
    Question from me: How do I find key 4?

    
        Thanks on the HH info, but I found that trick last week. The game
      was a breeze after that.  Don't know why that part gave me so much
      trouble.  A hint about key #4 after the obligatory formfeed...
    
    
    
           Did you look, take, use and burn everything in the corridor with
         the three locked doors?  
    
    -rick

    How do you aquire the strange torch, and can you get your sphere
    back after freezing the lake?

	 Spoiler, RE: .66


	 

	 >>    How do you aquire the strange torch

	    The 'strange' torch is one of the torches in the first
	 couple of rooms.  When you TAKE it, it shows up on your item
	 list as TORCH, but not with the rest of them (TORCH=nn).



	 minor spoiler, RE: sphere

	 

	 >> and can you get your sphere back after freezing the lake?


	 Yes.


	 less minor:

	 


	 reverse the situation.
	 
	 


	 not minor:

	 


	 USE a lighted torch on the ice.  The sphere will float to the
	 top.





	 /ken

    HELP NEEDED!!
    
    In the room with the three mirrors, you have to hit the middle mirror
    with a hammer, can't seem to find the hammer????
    
    Also, when you get to the room with the wraith, how do you get the
    cloak??  
    
    I am asking for my 11 year-old godchild.  He is having a heck of a time
    moving through the game.  
    
    Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
    
    Thanks, Debbie

    RE: .68
    
    
    
    
    
    
    [spoilers follow]
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    1. Hammer - I don't remember which, but it's either in the room
    with the dragon, or the second room in the first hallway.
    Does she have the key to get into that room?
    
    2. The cloak/wraith - light the strange torch when you're standing
    in front of the wraith.  You do this by USEing the lit torch on
    the top of the items menu on the strange torch.  (this is the
    torch that has its own category)  If this doesn't work, USE the
    strange torch on the lit torch.
    
    Shadowgate ain't the easiest game!
    
    Joel
    

    I have made it to a room with a polygon carved in stone.  I can't get
    out of the room.  All the walls are made of stone.  I still can't find
    the hammer or the room with the dragon.  Help!!!
    
    
    Thanks
    DAB

    Thanks alot,Ken!! Although this is far from the easiest games for
    the NES, you've helped make my game(and nerves)alot easier!!

    How do you make it past the two eyes in the dark(dragon)??  Is there
    a rock or something that you can move to get by?.  There is a big pile
    of gold, it's melted together, is there any way to pick it up?? 
    There are four other items to get in this room, but you can't get them
    because you keep getting burned by the dragons' flames.  There is a 
    skull, a hammer and a torch.  Is there any way to get past this dragon
    to get the hammer?
    
    Any spoiler will be appreciated!!!
    Thanks,
    Debbie

    RE: .72
    
    
    [spoiler]
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Don't waste your time trying to get past the dragon or pick up
    the gold.  You can't do it.  The way to pick up the items is
    to TAKE the shield first.  I seem to recall that the only item
    in their you need (except for the shield, which you need only
    in the dragon room) is the hammer.  But it won't hurt to pick
    up anything you can.
    
    Joel
    

    
    Where are the keys to unlock the doors outside of the sphinx room?
    
    						David
    

    
    How do you unlock the door in the gargoyle room?....MWR
    
    

    Here's the situation; I'm stuck in a room with a woman who's
    chained to the wall. She keeps turning into a wolf and wiping
    me out. How do I beat her? Major spoiler needed, as I have come
    to my wits end with this WENCH!!!!!!

 re .76

   spoiler type hint follows...




























    look thru your goods.  a certain metal is baaad for werewolves.  if
    you want a more definate answer, see below...
























   you should have a silver arrow. use it on the woman.

    Please help - an outright spoiler is needed....
    
    spoiler type question follows;
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I've been at the acid fountain with the flute for over a week now,
    
    could some kind soul help me?  I also do not have the humana spell,
    
    a clue for this would also be greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks in advance

re: .77

I can help you with the flute, but not the humana magic.  I myself just got the
flute last night, but lucked out in getting it easily. 

spoiler follows




























To get the flute you need to cover your hand with the Gauntlet.  To find the 
Gauntlet.....

























Make a wish......


tom

    Thanks Tom, I had the qauntlet but had no idea what to do with it.

    Earlier in this note (you could do a note dir) someone has
    posted directions to a public file which walks you completely
    through Shadowgate.  It answers every question you could possibly
    have.  If you're totally stuck on something, I would suggest 
    printing the walkthrough and not looking at it until you
    really need to look at it.
    
    Joel
    

    Joel,
    
    If you are referring to note 24, I've tried to get into it 
    with no luck.  I have been able to add it to my notes file,
    but cannot access it, the message that comes up reads -
    No Privilege to write or modify this conference.  Am I doing
    something wrong?  Any help greatly appreciated.

    Re .82:
    
    The file in .24 is not a Notes conference; you shouldn't add it to your
    notebook.  Just copy it to your directory and print it.
    
    
    				-- edp

    HI,
    
    Can anyone reach the brass key from the skeleton in the lake??  Also,
    in the room with the landslide and the waterfall, how do you get the
    items behind the waterfall?? And, how can I move out of that screen?
    There is a door to the left of the waterfall, but if I go through 
    there it takes me to room with stone walls on all sides.  In the wall
    there is a loose rock which contains a leather pouch, are there any
    other items???????  Is there a way out???  My Godchild is having
    trouble getting through here.
    
    
    Thanks,
    DAB

    Re .84:
    
    I can't help you with the landslide.  I don't think there's anything to
    do in the room with the loose rock except to get the pouch and leave. 
    Then, to leave the room with the landslide, go back the way you came
    (use the square below the screen image; select the door represented by
    the tiny square at the bottom of the larger square).  I think the
    landslide is dealt with later in the game.
    
    To get the key, you need to get to the skeleton.  You can't use a boat. 
    Walking on water might help.  How can you walk on water?
    
    What form of water can be walked on?
    
    How do you make water into that form?
    
    What do you have that is cold?
    
    Do you have the sphere?
    
    Use it on the water.
    
    
    				-- edp

    re .84
    
    It has been a long time since I played the game, but from what I 
    remember - there were some loose rocks around the landslide.
    
    Rocks are very handy things to have.
    
    You can do many things with rocks, like throw them at things.

    re .85
    minor spoiler attached
    
    Heat is the opposite of cold...
    
    How do you retrieve a frozen object?
    
    Do you have something hot?

	
	I need a spoiler/hint as to how and where to get the Humana spell.
	Am I correct in asssuming that once I pass that@#?! troll I need
	not go by him again? I have gotten all the way to the Gargole(sp?)
	room buthad to start anew - I forgot something that I need - and
	I'm not even sure of what the staff does and where to use it.  I've
	been for a ride, with the un-friendly looking ferryman, but do not
	know what to do once I get to where he takes me.  Am I missing
	something?  Somehow I think I am.  This game is good.  Better, I
	think , than Ultima and Faxanadu. Any and all help appreciated.	
	Thanks,
		*D*

      
      I got the Humana spell, and met up with the Wyvern and am wrestling 
      with all the clues that the scrolls have given me. I am trying to
      figure out what I need to defeat this guy - I think I need to use 2
      items.  When I use the (possible spoiler)Humana spell I get the message
      that the spell was chanted but nothing happened, something is missing,
      do you get this message always or is this spell really used here?
      And you know that beast in the hole where the silver orb is/was?  Do
      I need to defeat him and if so, how about a more clear clue than the
      scrolls give me.  Thanks,

				*D*

    RE: .89
    
    It's been a long time since I did Shadowgate and I cannot
    remember.  But see reply 24 in this topic.
    
    Joel
    

    I am stuck at the troll bridge :-((..used the item in spoilers
    in previous replies and got past it
    
    BUT
    
    I backed up into the room again to see if I forgot anything and up
    the &*^(& trol popped up holding the item I thought I had defeaed him
    with..and now he is using it on me.
    
    Any major spoilers on how to get out ofthis predicament would be
    very much appreciatd
    
    thanks
    
    Fay
    

    I can get pretty far in this game, but I can't find the three parts of
    the Staff of Ages.  Any minor or major spoilers would be greatly
    appreciated.
    
    

    Hi,
    
    I was just given this game and did not receive any instructions
    for how to play this game.  How do you play this game.  How do 
    you move from room to room.  I played with it for about a couple
    of hours and got absolutely nowhere.  Any and all help would be
    appreciated.
    
    Sarah

    Re .93:
    
    Playing the game is primarily choosing a verb and then a noun or two.
    You can move the arrow/cursor to the various verbs and nouns on the
    screen or into the window where you see the room you are in.
    
    For example, to move to another room, you put the cursor on "Move" and
    press a button (I forget which, A or B).  That makes the "Move" box
    darken, as if it were filled in.  Then you point to a doorway and press
    the button again.  That will cause you to move to another room -- if
    the door is open.
    
    You can open a door by selecting "Open" and then pointing to a door,
    unless the door is locked, in which case you need to "Use" a key.
    
    Also on the screen is a list of objects you are carrying.  When you are
    carrying many objects, this list is a stack of cards; there are two
    boxes that let you move up or down the stack of cards.  When you need
    to select an object, you move up or down the stack until you see the
    object listed, then you select the object.  The cards also list your
    spells, when you get some.
    
    If you select "Use", you will need to indicate two objects.  Select
    "Use", then select the first object, such as a key on your list of
    objects.  Then point to something to use the key on, such as a door.
    
    Below the main window that shows a picture of the room you are in is
    another window which represents the room as seen from above.  All this
    smaller window has in it are doors, indicated by white squares.  When
    you have selected "Move", you can move by pointed either to doorways in
    the main window or doorways in the small window.  Since in the main
    window you cannot see the doorway behind you, using the small window is
    the only way to back up.
    
    You will need to keep torches lit by using a lit torch on an unlit
    torch.  You can ask for hints by pressing a certain combination of
    keys.  (Anybody else remember?  I don't.  If nobody else answers, enter
    another note to remind me, and I will look up the instructions at
    home.)
    
    That should get you started; enter another note if you have any
    questions I didn't answer.
    
    
    				-- edp

Hi, I have noticed that there hasn't been any activity in this note file 
for awhile, but I have just borrowed this game and I love it, BUT I am 
having trouble witht he SPHINX, he gives me a riddle and asks for an 
object, this particular riddle is on the "I am the Fire..." anyway, I 
figured that BELLOWS was the object, but I can't leave it there.  I think 
that I need to get to the room behind him in order to kill the Woveryn ??? 
also, where do I get whatever goes in the hole on the balcony (flagpole???) 
I only have 3 spells, do I need more, HUMANA, the Terr...., and Ilumina 
spells... any help would be greatly appreciated...  I did go into the well, 
but couldn't seem to do anything... anyway having a great time at it..

Thanks in advance...

Linda

    <minor spoiler for .95>
    If you have the item with you, point to USE, and then the object
    
    If it doesn't work, you have the wrong answer.
    

>>    <minor spoiler for .95>
  
Thanks, I did finally get in during the interim... BUT and this is a BIG 
BUT, HOW do I get my cloak, gauntlet, glasses to be dropped so that I can 
go over the rickety stairs... I know that there is something that I need 
beyond the stairs, but I can't "take" the cloak, gauntlet or glasses off 
since I put them on to get beyond certain points or read certain items...  

I can go into the well and get accross but I can't open the door or 
whatever is there and I guess this leads to the Warlock, but I'm missing 
the Staff of Ages (I think), I keep moving around and seem to have picked 
up everything that I can get my hands on.  I have 5 or 6 magic spells, not 
sure of the count - Humana, Illumina, Terriaka(?), EPOR, the spell that 
lowered the statue.... I even started the game over and got to exactly 
where I was before thinking that if I didn't do any save's after the cloak 
was put on that I wouldn't be wearing it, but alas, I still am...

Anyway, thanks for the tip, the crazy thing about this game is the USE 
instead of LEAVE or OPEN, kind of drove me crazy for awhile...

Thanks again,

Linda  

    re: .97
    
    
    You can't drop anything, even though that command is an
    option.
    
    However:
    
    
    [semi-spoiler]
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    There is an object which makes you lighter and, if you put
    it on, you will float across the bridge.
    
    Joel
    

Re: -1

Thanks, I'll try everything, I hope I have what you spoke of, but I'll keep 
trying...

Linda

    re: -1
    
    See also note 24 in this string.
    
    Joel
    

Well, now I'm really in a quandry... I've gotten to the Warlock but I can't 
seem to kill him, I have tried everything - all the magic that I have, plus 
trying to USE everything on the "dragon" and the Warlock, also, when I was 
able to open the room to get to the cavern where he is I used something on 
one of the three areas on the wall (1st one) and then I used the horn and 
the skull door opened, but I don't know if I made a mistake or not, the 
following are all the items that I have:

Keys - 1-6  Torches - 12

sling	broom		cup	testube		map
sword	shield		crest	billows		poker
hammer	flute		goldcoins		bag 2
helmet	cloak(on)
flute	horn		5 magic spells:  EPOR
orb	staff				 illumina(sp)
blade					 terrakka(sp)
					 humana
					 motarri

I gave the sceptor to the skelleton... I think that I have everything and 
regarding .24 - I finally read it and it says to use the staff on the 
warlock, well, it doesn't seem to be working, can someone give me some 
direction, maybe I've missed something, I'll check somemore in the 
meantime... thanks for your advice in advance.

Linda

I DID IT.... it took a little "playing around" but I did it... thanks for 
your help in getting me across the rickety bridge...

Now, on to other adventures...

Merry Xmas Everyone!

Linda

    To make the staff work on the Warlock, use the blade on the staff. 
    Then use the orb on the staff.
    
    Benjamin

    Here are the five spells, where to get, and what they do:
    EPOR: read the word EPOR twice and chant the spell to raise the rope
    through the hole.
    HUMANA: read the second scroll.  After you've gotten the staff, chant
    it to pass the troll.
    Instantum ILLUMINA: read scroll 4.  Chant it to blind the gargoyles.
    Terra TERRAKK: read scroll 3.  Chant it to open the globe to get Key 6
    in the room with the fireplace.
    MOTARI Riseth: read the book.  Chant it to lower the statue.
    
    Benjamin

    Hi,
    
       I asked in .93 ( I think) about general directions to play this
    game.  My problem, is I can't seem to get past the 1st screen where
    you come upon a locked door.  I can't find the key anywhere.....  What
    do I do to get past the 1st screen.  Where do I find a key?  I'm so 
    confused with this game?  I can't go anywhere.   I need major
    spoilers........
    
    Thanks,
    Sarah

    Spoiler:
    
    Open the skull!!
    
    Benjamin

    HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
        I may be the only person playing this game at this time but
    I hope that someone out there may remember how to play the game.
    I have read all the replies so please don't refer me to some past
    reply.
        I seem to be unable to set the mummy on fire in the room with the
    coffins lining the wall. I have tried every combination of commands
    that I can think of to use a torch on the mummy but keep getting
    the message "The torches are burning brightly, you don't need to light
    another one." Do I need to use the special torch on the mummy ? Am I
    wasting my time trying to burn the mummy ? Also, how do you "leave"
    something. I use the "leave" command and always get the message,
    "you can't drop that here ". Do I need to drop anything anyway ?
    Thanks in advance for any help
    
    Jim Cooper

    re: .107  
    
    To answer your second question first, no, you can't drop 
    anything.  I assume this is a holdover from when it was
    strictly a PC game. 
    
    As for the mummy, I'm not going to hide this behind a
    spoiler 'cause I really don't remember.  There *is* a
    use for the special torch but I don't think the mummy
    is it, but what the heck, give it a try.  Maybe you
    have to put the little finger/pointer at a particular
    place to get it to work?
    
    Burned any rugs lately...   
    
    Joel
    

    to burn the mummy in the coffin room.....
    
    use - point to your torch that is lit
    
    what do you want to use this on - point to the mummy
    
    if you try to use the special torch - I believe the read out is
    
    hold on you don't want to use this here (or something like that)
    
    Nance (who played this about a year ago & did finish it)

    What's the deal with the snake statue in the cavern reached by the
    frayed rope bridge. I cannot do anything. Is this room important? Hints
    please.
    
    Ed the Coop
    

    Spoiler:
    Use the wand on the snake.
    
    Benjamin

    thanx - but just another tiny hint (to make sure I'm not out of
    sequence in the game):
     
         Do I acquire the wand before or after facing the troll. (Don't
    tell me exactly where, and if the scepter is the wand then never mind,
    I've got that.)

    >>Do I acquire the wand before of after facing the troll.<< After.
    
    >>if the scepter is the wand then never mind,<< No, they're two totally
    different things.
    
    Benjamin

     hi,
    
    	i would like some info for my dad.  he has been playing this
    game for a few days now and is real frustrated.  he needs to know
    how can he get inside the castel at the beginning of the game.  he
    can open the door but he can not go any further than that.  any
    info will be helpful.  thanks in advance.
    
                                                 kathy :)

	reply -1

	Kathy,

	This is a very frustrating game, so tell your dad to get used
	to the frustration and tell him to be imaginative by continuing
	to take a different approach to all the puzzles.

	Clue on getting in the castle:

	Have him try "touching" things outside the castle.

	If you need more help than this, send me mail.

	Pete