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      Re: .0   What key???  the red one???
    
                     

  getting to the RED key and knowing where it is are two different things.
  Assuming you know where it is .... you need the "feather of free fall"
  or the blue potion to get the speed you need to make the "necessary"
  jump.
    
    Now my question, once I get to a certain ledge when scaling the
    castle wall I can't go any further, no matter what I try I can't
    seem to get beyond that point, there is a ledge to jump on but I
    just can't reach it....any hints ?? 
    
    P.S. I finally figured out what the horn is for...very handy item...
    

    
    -.2
    
    Spoiler
    
    
    	Have you tried levitating and then jumping from your suspension?
     
    
    	Also, I had trouble seeing the castle ledges. I just jumped
    and happened to find the first ledge.
    
    
    	On the Castle you have to fall to a certain place. It's a
    requirement - must get that key.
    

    
 I think this was meant to be a reply here........   
    
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YODA::TAYLOR                                         47 lines   6-APR-1988 07:40
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    re:-1
    
    Yes the red key. I did manage to get it last night.
    
    spoiler::
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                                  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I caught a ride on a bubble, jumped about 1/2 to 1/4 inch before
    getting to the ceiling, kept the jump button down and when I
    hit the opposite bank the character jumped again bringing me 
    to the key.
    
    The play from that point through the castle, but not through
    the "changeling" door, was easy. I haven't made it past that
    door.
    Do get the falling feather and potion of levitation!!! The 
    falling feather makes life a whole lot easier is fun to use.
    
    wayne

	I just recently borrowed this game from a friend and have
	been playing the past few nights. On a scale of 1 to 10
	I would give this game about a 5. I think it should have 
	a save feature like Legend of Zelda. It's true you can 
	start off from where you last died with all your goodies
	by hitting a button within 10 secs. but once you power
	down it's gone and you have to start ALL OVER!!

	Re: .2
	
	Could you tell us poor folk out in netland what that horn
	is for??  I've acquired the horn but was unable to see any
	effects by using it.

	By the way, does anyone besides me find the sound effects
	(or background music) in this game very annoying. I typically
	turn down the sound on the TV and listen to the stereo while
	playing.
	
	John

    The horn will make the hidden doors to the treasure rooms flash
    sort of like the recorder in Zelda....
    
    
    

     I have been through the castle`s yellow floor, then nxt it`s
     a green floor , but I think that is the last place I can 
     complete because you go into some cellar with a magician jumping
     around hitting you then vanishes. I haven`t been able to kill him
     yet and there is a pink door but NO pink key in the cellar.
       I think it`s back at the beginning of the green area but not
     certain about it ......any body get this far ??
    
                                               EDski
    

	Re -.1

	Spoiler follows.



	There is no pink key for the pink door.  You have to kill
	the magician to get through the door.  And let me tell you,
	he's a real bear to kill!
	
	John

    Re: .8
    
     HINT: If you stand in the right place your chances of "offin' the
    wicked wizard" are a lot better....
    
    Russ
    
    

    
    
    	.9 is right.
    
    	I have the N.E.S. MAX controller. And for me to kill the wizard
    I ----
    	(SPOILER)
    
    
    	just stand in the right place (nice level spot), and hold the
    rapid fire button. If I stand in just the right spot, most of the
    time I don't even have to watch! SIMPLE huh!!!
    

    
    Okay.  I may not have gotten as far as all of you have, but I'm
    about to take this game and throw it as far away as possile!!
    
    Those stinkin' bats!  Every time I get next to the door, the big
    guy comes after me and smacks me down!!  
    
    Any hints on how to get through here?!  Last night I tried and tried
    and tried, but to no avail..
    
    
    Thanks!
    /kim
    

    The key to defeating the big bat is to minimize your damage as you
    progress down the hallway.
    
    What I have done to beat it is to gradually work my way down the
    hall, allowing only one bat on the screen at a time..
    Try to maintain your strength (life hearts)to full capacity....
    
    Russ
    

    I just put my head down and run all the way, without pausing to
    do battle.  Only 4 or 6 little peskies keep up and can be dispatched
    with the right amount of jumping and swooping.  Handle the big guy
    with the same motions.
    
     Bill
    
    \ . . /
       .

    
    	Okay.  I think I may have found a way out....
    
    	It requires the Potion of Levitation.  Run all the way to the
    	end.  Levitate and kill 'em all.
    
    	When the big guy comes - stay in the corner and battle it out.
    	This way he can't get on both sides of you!  My brother says
    	that levitating helps..
    
    /kim
    

    
    re .14. 
    
    I agree with your brother. I levitate and do battle. Works pretty
    good. I have never beat the big bat while on the ground.

    wayne
    

    RE .14.
    
    I have killed the big bat every time without having to levitate.
    The trick is to shoot him and then quickly jump over him, then do
    the same in the opposite direction.  It works for me every time.

    
    Sheesh!  Anyone want to buy a 2_day_old WIZARDS AND WARRIORS cartridge?
    
    I fooled with this game, for about 2 hours, the first day I bought
    it.
    
    The next day, I was determined to complete it.  And, without any
    help/hints or maps, I *was* able to win in 4 hours of straight play!
    
    And, the ending was pretty lousy, actually.
    
    What a waste of $35!  This one is up for grabs...money or trade!
    
    
    Galv

    
    
    
    	You should actually move this to the For Sale note.
    	

    
    Re:-1
    
    Yep...I know.  The part about the sale/trade was just an after-thought.
    
    
    Galv
    
    P.S. - But, from that REPLY, I've all ready got it sold!

    TO GET THE RED KEY IN THE LAVA WORLD I BELIEVE YOU CAN RIDE UPU
    ON ONE OF THE BUBBLES AND JUMP OFF AT THE RIGHT TIME....

    2 questions:
    
    1.  How do you get the items that are under the blue acorns?  I"ve
        tried with no success.                                                 
    
    2.  When you get to the top of the trees and you have to fight that
        soldier up there before you can actually get above the trees to
        the chest, how do you kill the soldier?
      0f

    
    	Q1:  How do you get items under blue acorns??
    
    	a1:  I've found that if I have the throwing knife you can
    		throw it at them...but I have yet to do it with
    		just the boots of force or a sword.
    
    	Q2:  When you get to the top of the trees...
    
    	a2:  If I'm thinking of the right part, you can just jump
    		over this soldier.  he is up there to protect the
    		jewels or tunnels.  Once you have sufficient gems
    		to bribe him, so to speak, he goes away.
    
    	/Kim
    

    Thanks for the help Kim.  Alas, I have anooooother problem.  In
    the lava pit.  I can't seem to find a way out.  I keep getting stuck
    between the two rooms.  There are some doors, but I can't open them
    or find the keys.  This is frustrating because I'm renting this
    game for 3.00/night.  I may as well buy it if this continues.  HELP!

    
    
    	Brenda, Brenda, Brenda...
    	
    	Let's see... Maybe you SHOULD go out and get it.  
    	At least this will give you the chance to make it all the way 
    	to the castle....
    
    	Lava pits?  Alot of the times you've got to hop up on the
    	bubbles to ride to ledges, then climb as high as you can to
    	find the keys.  Off hand, I can't remember where they're
    	located, but your best bet is to climb aboard a bubble
    	and ride, ride, ride!
    
    	/kim
    
    	    
    	

    Some beginners help here.. if you would?
    
    Just picked up the game yesterday and while enjoy jumping around
    from tree to tree, it occured to me that there has to be more to
    this game then that.. Found the entrance (and the key) into one
    of the trees.. Now from reading the note thread on this topic, I
    see where one must get to the top of the trees in order to continue.
    My question is simple: Do I get to the top of the trees from the
    first screen or from within the tree (jumping up from limb to limb?)
    
    Thanks
    		Frank
    

    
    
    
    
    	you're right in being able to jump from tree to tree, but
    	the object is to collect gems and unlock the chests that
    	are around with the matching colored key.  
    
    	The more gems you have, the better.  They will be needed
    	to bribe enemies.  (This is in the instruction booklet).
    
    	You can go inside the trees and find more gems, and as
    	you climb onto limbs you will find other assorted treasures.
    
    	/Kim
    

    Ok made it to the top of the trees and met the gaurdian who is just
    standing there. I can't bribe him, and I certainly can't jump high
    enough to get to the top of the trees.. Question now is.. How the
    heck DO I get to the top of the trees.. I mean the very top where
    I see two more chest are awaiting???
    
    Another question: Is the potion of levitation located in the first
    screen (i.e. the forest/trees) or is it to be found further on?
    Seems that would be the ticket to get me to the top of the trees,
    but so far no luck in finding anything to get me up there.. Any
    and all help (including spoilers) would definitely be appreciated!
    
    Thanks.
    Frank.
    

    >Ok made it to the top of the trees and met the gaurdian who is just
    >standing there. I can't bribe him, and I certainly can't jump high
    >enough to get to the top of the trees.. Question now is.. How the
    >heck DO I get to the top of the trees.. I mean the very top where
    >I see two more chest are awaiting???
    
    	Don't worry about getting those chest on top of the trees
    	as of yet.  If you've obtained all three keys, then try to 
    	go inside the trees and get even more gems.  To get to the
    	top of the trees is a definite tricky situation and one that
    	I cannot help you on.  I've always been more concerned with
    	getting the treasures than going up there...
    
    >Another question: Is the potion of levitation located in the first
    >screen (i.e. the forest/trees) or is it to be found further on?
    >Seems that would be the ticket to get me to the top of the trees,
    >but so far no luck in finding anything to get me up there.. Any
    >and all help (including spoilers) would definitely be appreciated!
   
    	If I remember correctly...spoiler follows:
    
    	You can get the Boots of Force on the first screen by opening
    	a chest located towards the top of one of the trees and you
    	can also get the Dagger of Throwing on the first screen by 
    	jumping around the soldier (guarding the entrance to the next
    	screen) and down one branch ....
    
    	>>how DO I get to the tops of the trees?
    
    	If I remember correctly,  you MAY be able to get up that high
    	if you can get the (pink) potion which enables you to jump
    	extra high.
    
    		Hope this helps!
    
    

    This game had been lying around the house for a few weeks. My son
    and I got to the castle in about 45 minutes, saving all the damsels
    in distress. Getting to the top of the castle is tough...you make
    your way up by jumping on blocks which move in and out.
    
    As far as all the treasures and keys go....try everywhere and
    everything. Levitation is important.
    
    Mike

    You don't have to get to the top of the trees.  I never have.  I
    was in the same situation, and I was standing on the stump that
    is next to the guardian.  Push to down button, and push to the side,
    because there are treasures right after you fall in. Stay to the
    walls of the trunk, not the middle.  Good luck.  I missed all that
    stuff, because I fell straight down.  I think I missed receiving
    useful items.  I was in a rut when I reached the bottom.
    
    Bren

    Re. 87.27
    
    Yes, you CAN make it to the treetops!  Once you're at the chest
    which contains the Boots of Force, just stay there and slay any
    enemies who get close.  Eventually, one of these will be replaced
    with the pink flask (high-jumping), and you can easily leap to the
    treetops.  There is some very useful stuff to be found up there.
    
    						--Eric--
    

    Thanks alot.  I tried to get up there, and couldn't.  But what happens
    to all the items down the trunk.  can you still get down it?  Where
    does the top of the trees lead you?  I'm asking so many questions
    because I rent the game.  I haven't bought it yet.
    
    Bren

    Re. 87.32
    
    You get to the top by climbing inside the tree with the GRAY doors.
    Go out the top door inside the tree.  When the scene switches to
    outdoors, jump up and to the left, on top of the chest. It is 
    this point where you stand and clobber enemies until the pink 
    flask appears.
    
    Good luck!
    
    					--Eric--

Spoilers?
    
    
        Does anyone have a hint or two about dealing with the series of
    3 skelton creatures in the castle.  First there's an itty bitty
    one, and when you've slain him, his larger brother comes along.
    When you've slain him, an even bigger one comes on the scene.  I
    just can't seem to find the pattern necessary to get past all 3.
    (Actually, I'm assuming there are only three.  If there are more,
    I'm in *real* trouble.)
        
    Thanks,
    Gary
    

    I have been playing WIZZARDS AND WARRIORS since I got it for Christmas
    and would like a spoiler on where to get the key to open the castle
    door - do you have to climb ALL the way to the top of the castle and if
    so how do you do so? Which direction do you go left or right?  Help
    please.Thanks

    Debbie
    

    re. .-1
    

    Go all the way up and turn left. My six year old has finished this
    twice allready. You will have more fun as soon as you get in the
    castle.
    
    Enjoy,
    Kostas
    

    The instructions for Wizards and Warriors seem to indicate that the
    boots of force will help you open chests and doors and such, without
    the key.
    
    Am I just ignorant, or is this a lie?  I've finished the game but the
    boots didn't seem to do a thing...
    
    - Chris

    re. .-1
    
    Chris,
    
         I used the boots of force with no problems. I think you have
    to select them in order to be able to use them.
    
    /k
    

    I've read the earlier replies but I'm STILL STUCK!!!  I can't seem
    to retrieve the red key in the lava world!!!  I've tried everything
    short of shooting my television!  Where is the "Free Falling Feather
    Potion"?  I have levitation & I have traveled on the bubbles to
    the appropriate ledge but can't seem to jump, no matter how close
    I am to it.  
    
    Also, have any of you managed to grab every chest during your descent
    down the trees to the end of World 1?  The roots make it difficult
    & I'm probably missing some important items besides rubies.
    
    I need help before I give up & sell this cartridge!
    
    Russ

    re: .39
    
    Major spoiler on lava world:
    
    OK - you're riding your bubble up and you get it all the way to the
    top, right?  (Manfully killing those dumb sparks on the way, right?)
    
    The mistake I always made was that I rode the bubble too far up.  But
    after I learned to jump a little earlier, I didn't have any trouble. 
    This is made very difficult by the fact that it's a blind jump - you
    really can't see your target at the time you have to go!
    
    The trick is that you can bounce on the slope leading up to that
    platform off to the right.  You need to jump off your bubble just as
    the bubble starts to clear the cliff edge, and then immediately jump
    again to avoid falling off the slope.  You need to aim at getting 3/4's
    of the way up the slope or so.
    
    The following (very rough and probably misremembered in many details)
    map might give you an idea.  Jump when you reach X, aiming at Y.  As
    soon as you hit Y, jump again.  You'll pick up the money, and find the
    key very shortly thereafter.
    
    
     $      \   _ _ _/
    ___      \ /           ____
       \Y     v           /
        \                /
         \              /
          )   X    -----
         /    O   /
        |        /
        |        |
        |        |
        ---
    
    I don't use levitation, just take a running jump and go!
    
    DON'T make the mistake of using a turbo joystick or button when
    attempting this leap!  Using a turbo seems to reduce the height of your
    jump, and you'll end up falling to the ground in frustration.
    
    Oh, yes.  The Feather of Free Fall would probably be helpful - but I
    didn't find it until after this level.  Much later.
    
    - Chris

    O.K. Guys.  Would someone PLEASE give me a major spoiler on where to
    find that *@*#* red key to the castle.  I have gone up on the castle on
    the stones that move in and out BUT can only go so far - and once up
    there I find some ledges that seem to lead somewhere - BUT WHERE @$#%@*
    DO THEY GO and HOW do I get there?????PLEASE, I beg of you for my
    sanity and my family's - unless I find that key and enter the castle
    life is gonna be pretty miserable around here for my husband and kids -

    Deb

    It is helpful to get the Feather as soon as possible, and it can
    be found 'way back in the iceworld (World 2).  Near the start, there
    is a passage that goes up and right (near a recurring red flask).
    It's impossible to climb, even with the levitation potion - but
    it can be overcome in this manner:
    
    Go about two levels below, to where you find a recurring BLUE 
    flask. Jump to the right of the flask, and pick it up moving left.
    You will, of course, turn blue (move faster). Head IMMEDIATELY
    for that unclimbable ledge, and you will top it just as the flask
    wears off.  At the top of the ledge you'll find a chest - with the
    fabulous Feather inside!
    
    Once you have the Feather, finding the red key in the Lava World
    is a piece o' cake!
    
    					--Eric--

    I need help with the skeletons in the castle - as does 87.34  - after
    getting rid of the itty bitty one, there's a bigger one and I can take
    care of him BUT then his BIG brother (or sister) appears and this is
    where I loose my lives.  Any help or spoilers on how to defeat
    these guys would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Debbie

    Spoilers regarding the skeletons....
        
    If you haven't found the Axe of Igor, do so.  It increases the damage
    done, thus increasing your chance of succeeding.   Other than using
    the axe, you need to be able to keep jumping back and forth over
    the heads of the skeletons, while landing an occaisional blow. 
    
    Hints on finding the axe follow....
    
    I can always find it in a chest way up in the second lava chamber.
    
    Near where you have to make a long jump across a chasm to get the
    red key.

    Good luck.  You're almost there.
    
    
    Gary

    Gary,
    Thanks for the spoiler on how to do the skeletons in - I'll have to try
    it this weekend when I can play Wizzards. I work 11pm-7am and usually
    sleep in the day.  Wish you could save this game - it would be a lot
    easier.

    Debbie

    Just don't turn your set off!  When you want to quit, simply start back
    up again, pause the game, and then go to bed (or whatever made you
    decide to quit).  Just make sure any rug-rats or friendly neighbors
    decide to turn off the game!
    
    If you want to watch TV, simply disconnect the game and reconnect your
    antenna.  Re-connect the Nintendo when you want to restart.  It won't
    hurt your game, and you won't have to retrace your steps.
    
    - Chris

    Re .46:
    
    > Just don't turn your set off!
    
    To be specific:  Leave the Nintendo on, but go ahead and turn the
    television off.
    
    > If you want to watch TV, simply disconnect the game and reconnect your
    > antenna.
    
    Oh my, how droll.  When I want to watch television while leaving the
    Nintendo on, I press three buttons on my remote control.  :-)
                                                                 
    
    				-- edp 

    re: .47
    
    Sorry to be behind the times, edp!  I'm currently spending too much
    money on a place to put a fancy TV (a new addition to the back of the
    house.)  After I get a place to put it, I plan to replace the 10 year
    old set we're currently suffering with.
    
    In the meantime, I figured I'd give directions that are sure to work
    with any level of technology.  ;-)
    
    - Chris

    re: .42
    
    I went to the ledge where the chest was but received the Cloak of
    Darkness instead!   I did manage to retrieve the red key in lava
    world thanks to the directions instructing me to jump BEFORE the
    ledge.
    
    I managed to cruise through the last tree world when my phone rang
    & I forgot to hit pause & the game reset!  That really irked me!
    
    I did pick up the free fall potion in the second ice world.  Did
    you notice that you can switch you weapons in the ice world by
    alternating between chests?  I used the staff of power.  What is
    the horn used for?
    
    I wish this game would let you save your weapons & had a CONTINUE
    feature like Zelda.  I'm doing much better with my self restraint
    & turned off my TV before 11:00 last nite!
    
    Hopefully I'll finish this game tonite...
    
    Russ

    I cruised through the castle last nite.  It took 45 minutes to slay
    those #!@#$%@^# skeletons & I thought I was finished...  Now I'm
    stuck in a circular room with the wizard & a pink (or is it blue
    or red?) door with no key!
    
    I assume I have to kill the wizard but he keeps bolting all over
    the place.   His energy is at maximum strength (both red bars are
    enabled) & my wand of wonder & staff of power seem to have no effect
    when I manage to hit him.
    
    Any hints?!?  I'm ready to go back to Metroid & Zelda!  So many
    games, so little time!
    
    Russ

    	Hmmmm!
    	You might try "getting High"
    			Mich

    I notice that whenever I have the boots of force, and open the red
    chest containing the horn that the boots are taken away. And when I
    open the chest with the staff of power, the horn is taken away.   Is
    there any way to keep more than the axe and one other weapon?  It would
    be useful -

    Debbie
    

    Re .52:
    
    No way to keep the boots, the staff, etc. at the same time.  At
    least no way that I've found.  (I've gone through it several times
    now.  Just to make sure that the first time wasn't just a fluke.
    :-)
    
    Gary

	I still am having trouble getting rid of those skeletons that greet
	you once inside the castle - you know pipsqueak, his brother, his
	bigger brother, his BIGGER brother.  That forth one ALWAYS has
	gotten me - so far.  I have the N.E.S. Max - are there any clues
	you could give a poor soul like me on how to get rid of these
	@#$*@skeletons??
	I appreaciate any help, clues, spoilers, tricks - whatever it takes
	to get past these guys.  I'm ready to toss this game -

	Thanks
	Debbie
	    

    re: .54
    
    Skeleton spoilers:
    
    I certainly hope you have the axe.  If not, maybe you'd best start
    again and find it.
    
    I beat the skeletons by playing leapfrog with them.  Jump over them a
    lot.  Then turn and shoot.  (But remember the adage about the wise man
    and the unicorn.  Sometimes you miss!)
    
    You can find the axe in the lava world, and perhaps other places as
    well.

    
    
    	I plyed last night for the first time and I finished the game in
    about 3 hours of play. I thought this game was relatively easy until
    the castle. Spoiler's on the wiz and the growing skeleton follow
    
    
    
    
    	Skeleton. Just like .55 said. You have to keep jumping and throwing
    the axe. I levitated, threw the axe and then jumped from my levitated
    height. This way I very rarely accidently hit him
    
    
    	The wiz (spoiler)
    
    
    
    		In the lower left hand corner of the circular room there is
    a flat spot with a single little ledge above it. I levitated one step
    to the left of the ledge and kept throwing my axe to the right. The wiz
    kept appearing on the ledge and on the flat spot below. Everytime he
    appeared on the ledge I got in one or two hits and the axe kept getting
    the things he throws. I was a little disappointed in the ending,
    
    
    
    							Dana
    

    
    
     I video taped the four times I've been through the game so far
    and found this very useful in trying new avenues.You can not leave
    any area unexplored.....The horn works great if you want to find
    all the hidden caves with the diamonds....all you need to do is
    use the select button in the cavern after the lava.In order to enter
    the castle you have to gather the diamonds in the room at the top
    of the castle .The key to open the door can be found on top
    of the castle (left)....jump off the center and float down to the
    castle (left) roof....it's there...then you have to make your way
    back up to the top of the castle.
         I use a Radio Shack video control center to intergrate the
    game to my monitor/tv.It works great...better than the 300/75 ohm
    method...........The control center runs about 79 bucks and can
    also control your VCR's/dubbing,Nintendo taping...
    
    
    
    
    
                                Randy
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

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    This game drove me crazy for months as I did not under stand the
    concept at all. Then, after watching my son  fool with it , I finally
    grasped it. The main thing to do is have patience. Search every
    area, try mapping it out, for jewels. The amount of jewels usually
    corresdondes with your progress.
    
    spoilers???
    
    
    
    
       
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    1: Good luck in the second lava room. The red key is a must. I just
    lucked out getting on the left bank (rieve gauche?). Perservere!!!!!
    
    2:  I killed the Wizard by using the CLOAK OF DARKNESS and standing
    on the flat area to the left of the 3 donuts, for lack of a better
    discription.  We have the NES advantage and I used the Turbo for
    the A button. The Wizard  stays in one place, more or less, and
    you are able to off him rather easily. You will have to select the
    Cloak a number of times to accomplish this though.
    
    I do agree with those that say the ending is rather disapointing
    though game will always have a special place in my heart as it is
    the first I have ever finished. 

    I see that noone has had anything to say about this game for quite a
    while so either nobody plays or everyone has completed it.
    
    My nephew let me borrow this game a couple of weeks ago, without an
    instruction book so I'm kind of pokin' around on my own. I have a
    couple of questions.
    
    1. One of the first times I played, in the first stage (forest) or
    second (underworld/iceworld) I found some sort of "magic" which would
    shoot a "freeze" ray. I only found it once and have never been able to
    find it since. I can get the boots, shield, throwing knife and
    levitation, but can't seem to find the magic any more. Has anyone else
    found this??
    
    2. I also read in here that you have to "select" objects to use them.
    How do you do this. When I hit the select button nothing happens. Is
    there some combination I need to know about to get to the select screen
    or is there even a select screen to get to??
    
    re the magic I found that when I had it I could kill the large bat
    easier. In fact I have only been able to defeat him once without it.
    
    Thanks for any help you can give.
    
    Cowboy