Conference rusure::nintendo

>>>    Has anyone seen for sale or played a new war strategy game from
>>>    Koei (makers of Nobunanga's Ambition) that is called Genghis Khan?
>>>    I would be interested in your experience with the game once it comes
>>>    out.
    
    I would also like to know if anyone has played this and what their
    impression of it is.
    
    Monte

    I have Genghis Khan.  If you like strategy games then you will LOVE
    this one!.  It involves sending spies, attempted assinations, tactical
    strategy for warfare, economics of your country, alliances, treaties
    and a dozen other aspects to leading a country.  The game has two
    phases.  The first is for you (Genghis Khan) to unite the 14 tribes
    into one empire.  The second will be to match your abilities against
    Alexander the Great, Richard the Lion-Hearted and a Japanese Shogun
    for world conquest.  I'm only in the first phase.
    
    There is a tactical display so that armies can fight other armies.
    If your country is involved then you position and manuever your
    troops.  I could probably go on for another hour but I don't have
    time.  
    
    I bought the game at Toys-R-Us for a whopping $60.  However, the
    game has five levels of difficulty and the two stages which will
    keep me busy for the next six months.  I've already failed on three
    earlier conquest.  In one case one of my princes rebelled and
    defeated my army.
    
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    re: .2
    
    Hope you'll find the time to tell us a little more about the
    game.
    
    I've got "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" by the same company,
    and the games sound similar.  But from what I read and hear,
    as terrific as "Romance" is, "Genghis" is even better.
    
    Could you list the basic options you have at each turn?  Do the
    seasons affect what you can do?
    
    Joel
    

    I also have this game and I have been playing it for months.  I 
    would also like to say that this is a fantastic game, very complex.
    I am also impressed with how well it mirrors all the problems of being
    a world leader and conquerer.  The number of problems you run into can
    really be a headache, after awhile you start feeling sorry for poor old
    Gengis, and you wonder how he put up with all this!
    	I have been playing the SAME game episode for months now.  The
    nature of the game changes as you go along and get larger.  The 
    strategies that worked earlier no longer work because you don't have
    the time and energy to micromanage like you do at first.
    	By the way, only a family member is safe from rebellions, and they
    are very nasty.  Even if you win against the rebellion, you are now so
    weak that you get attacked by the contries around you immediately.
    I only promote my own sons to princes unless I have a daughter to marry
    into the newly promoted noble.
    	Yes the seasons are very important, as in really life all kinds of 
    decisions are made accordingly.  Your townspeople pay taxes in the
    spring, your farmers reap food in the fall, you feed everyone in the
    spring, and you pay your soldiers in the spring.  If a country is
    giving yours tribute, it arrives in the Winter, and often you are so
    busy trying to do everything that you only have time to go to war
    in the Summer.  Or if your artiszans have produced to the max, you give
    their stuff to the people to raise morale in the Summer or their
    efforts go to waste (or sell it if you can contact someone to buy it.)
    	I could go on for hours.  I still have not won the world conquest
    section yet, and I am playing at the easiest level. (I cannot immagine
    how this game could possibly be harder and you could still win!)
    	The Battles are an art in themselves.  I reminds me of the end game
    to chess with a king, a rook, and a knight.  Position is very important
    and where you need to be and what you need to do is always changing.
    	I have played "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" and while it is ok,
    it is not as good, though it did have certain aspects that I liked.
    	I would love for some of you to buy this game also, I could sure
    use all the help I can get.
    
    	David R. Cunningham
    

    re: .4
    
    If I can ever get it, I will.  Every time I try to pick one up
    I wind up being too late - last one sold yesterday, new shipment
    coming in next week, etc.
    
    I've still got "Romance" (couldn't sell it, probably just as 
    well) and might go through it again.  But if I get a "Genghis"
    I'll be looking for tips from you!
    
    Joel
    

I just got this and it is heavily addictive (last time I got this addicted to a
game  was when I ran into EMPIRE on the DEC-20 where I went to school).
Strategies so far ( I won't call them tips, because I'm not sure they are
useful, or that they aren't patently obvious)

1) If you plan to do something dangerous/stupid (like attack a neighbor) 
   save before going on.

2) Sometimes (fall especially?) you will find one trader selling something 
   cheap and another buying at 2-3 times the price in the same season. This 
   is a great way to raise some quick cash (though it takes 2 moves so isn't 
   cheap).

3) Try to make treaties so only one person at a time is your enemy. 
   Otherwise all your neighbors will come whipping in when you go off 
   to war...

That's it so far after 3-4 evenings. This one looks well worth its 60$+ price
tag. One problem I see is that all my neighbors in the Mongol conquest are
growing LOTS faster than I am, I suppose I could shift everyone mostly out of
the army for a couple years, but If I've got treaties with the neighbors why
wouldn't they do the same leaving me still fairly even with them...


					Thanks,
					Keith

    I picked up "Genghis" this weekend.  I'm already addicted.
    
    What's fascinating about it is the complexity.  There are so 
    many possibilities - so many ways to do well and so many ways
    to go belly-up.  I confess I have been heavily relying on
    the save/reset strategy so far, but I consider I'm in the
    training mode.  It just takes so long to work out a successful
    strategy.
    
    Question for the more experienced players: what happens when
    your main man dies?  My guy is in his seventies now and can't
    last much longer.  Does the morale and such go down?  And
    how do you prevent the "someone is trashing the town and
    castle" problem?  I've figured out how to fix it but not
    how to prevent it.
    
    Joel
    

    Has anyone actually beaten this game - that is, started with
    "Mongol Conquest" scenario and completed "World Conquest"
    scenario?
    
    Frankly, it seems to me to be all but impossible because
    when Genghis Khan dies, the game is over.  You lose.  And
    though he tends to live a nice long life the task you have
    to perform - conquer all 14 mongol states and then conquer
    the 24 countries of europe, asia, n. africa - seems impossible
    to achieve within those time limits.
    
    I'd sure like to hear about it if someone has done it.  I'll
    keep trying but to date, this is by far the toughest game
    I've ever played.
    
    Joel
    

It looks from the instructions that if you 
(Ghengis/whoever) kick the bucket, and you have 
a son old enough to be a prince, who is NOT a prince 
then you continue the game as him. So far I haven't
even conquered the mongol conquest (though I'm closing
on it with 6 or seven provinces mine) so Ghengis hasn't 
gotten old enough for this to be a problem (I think he
is about 39 as it is about 1190). This is my third 
restart and I'm doing ok except for one of my princes
who goes to war and runs his territory into the 
ground.

Thanks,
Keith

>    I've still got "Romance" (couldn't sell it, probably just as 
>    well) and might go through it again.  But if I get a "Genghis"
>    I'll be looking for tips from you!
    
    So now that you've played both, how do they compare??
    
    Monte

    How do they compare?
    
    I have to say I like them both, but prefer Ghenghis.  Probably
    take several hundred lines to really say why... The brief
    answer is that Genghis is richer and more complex.  
    
    You start with a 14-state Mongolia-only scenario and, when
    you unite Mongolia, you move on to "the world."  (Europe,
    Northern Africa, SE Asia, and Asia, including Japan)  Starting
    at the beginning of the first scenaria and ending with the
    world united - takes a long time and is difficult to achieve
    without liberal use of the `save' and `reset' features.
    
    If you're thinking of buying one or the other, I would 
    definitely go with Genghis!
    
    Joel