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Conference rusure::math

Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
Total number of notes:14613

2036.0. "? How to compute the volume of fuel in a tank" by EASE::BRADSHAW () Wed Apr 03 1996 16:37

    Following is a question I posted in the Home_Work notes file.
    
    Any suggestions
    
    jb 
    
    
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    I am trying to find a way to compute the volume of fuel in a 300 Gal
    tank.
    
    The tank in question is more than 1/2 full, it is a 6ft cylinder
    mounted on its long side.
                     
    Any suggestions ?
    
    jmb
      
    
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2036.1HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Wed Apr 03 1996 21:3714
It depends on what resources are available to you.  Can you drop a float
into it and measure the string ?  If not, can you thwang the tank to locate the
liquid surface ?

Or are you merely asking how to calculate the area of a circle that
has a horizontal chord chopped off (and hence the volume by multiplying
that area by 6 ft).

For this latter question, I used to know how to do it by calculus integration.
(is there a noncalculus way ?  Although maybe even just calculating that
the area of a whole circle is pi*r*r requires calculus!)

/Eric
2036.2Area using trigWIBBIN::NOYCEEV5 issues 4 instructions per meterWed Apr 03 1996 21:574
If the radius of the tank is r, and the chord covers 2*theta radians,
then the area consists of two pieces:  The triangle with base 2*r*sin(theta)
and height r*cos(theta), and thus area r*sin*cos, plus the segment of the
circle (shaped like a pie with a piece missing), with area (pi-theta)*r^2.
2036.3lateral (-: answerAUSS::GARSONachtentachtig kacheltjesThu Apr 04 1996 01:484
    re .0
    
    Temporarily erect the tank. Measure the height of fluid. Computing the
    volume is then trivial.
2036.4RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Thu Apr 04 1996 12:3017
    Call the fuel company to fill the tank.  Divide their bill by their
    rate.  Subtract into 300.
    
    Turn your furnace up to full.  Measure the flow.  Measure the time
    until the furnace goes out.  Multiply.
    
    Weigh a gallon of fuel.  Pour a gallon of water into the tank.  Stir. 
    Remove a gallon of liquid from the tank.  Weigh it.  Divide the
    difference between the fuel weight and the mixed weight into the
    difference between the mixed weight and weight of a gallon of water.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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2036.5nice triqueHANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Thu Apr 04 1996 13:584
Hey, I like that .2 circle derivation.  Neat ! Thanks.

/Eric
2036.6practical problem or math problemCPEEDY::BRADLEYChuck BradleyFri Apr 05 1996 17:0628
re .0:
some more details would help, especially about the purpose and the 
constraints.

for a house sale, filling the tank is the usual and the easiest.

is someone just converted from oil to gas fuel and wants to get rid
of the old tank, that will not work very well.

just in case something got lost along the way, here are some more
complications.  most 300 gal. tanks are 275 gal.
the cross section is a top semicircle and a bottom semicircle,
connected by straight lines.  i don't know the diameter to height ratio.
also, a fill up is often terminated by the operator based on the
sound coming out of the filler hole. it is an expensive mistake to 
overfill and spill, so there is usually part of the capacity not used.
i'd guess 5 to 50 gallons, perhaps with an average of 20.

if this is just a math problem, someone will quickly add the formula
for each of the 3 cases where the surface is in the lower or upper 
semicircle or the straight part.

if this is a practical problem, tell us more.

OBTW, compute how accurate your results will be and how many filters
you will have to change before adding the water.

2036.7more along the lines of .4FLOYD::YODERMFYFri Apr 05 1996 18:537
Take the fuel tank to a tall building.  Bribe the custodian to tell you how tall
the building is with a barometer (but first use the barometer to measure the air
pressure).  Using a hygrometer, measure the humidity, and use this plus the air
pressure to derive the air density.  Now drop the fuel tank from the top of the
building, and measure how long it takes to fall.  Then empty it and repeat the
process.  Using the difference in drop times plus the air density, derive the
fuel mass.  Divide by the density of fuel and you are done.
2036.8speaking of air pressure...WIBBIN::NOYCEEV5 issues 4 instructions per meterFri Apr 05 1996 20:166
Using a bicycle pump, count the strokes needed to raise the pressure in
the tank to, say, 15 PSI.  Count the strokes needed to raise the pressure
in a known volume to the same pressure.  Determine the volume of the air
space in your tank with
	tank_volume = control_volume * (tank_strokes / control_strokes)
Subtract from 300 gallons.
2036.9AUSS::GARSONachtentachtig kacheltjesSat Apr 06 1996 08:064
    from .7
    
    Ask manufacturer weight of empty tank, weigh tank in current state,
    divide resulting fuel mass by density of fuel giving volume of fuel.
2036.10started out as 'must be easy' and became 'no so easy'EASE::BRADSHAWThu Apr 11 1996 11:2020
    
    
    This question started out as 'how much oil is in the tank' and how 
    'much fuel am I using'.  Its become how do you compute the volume  of a
    fraction of a cylinder when you can't take the cylinder stand it on end 
    and just work out the volume of the cylinder created by the fuel.
    
    A posting in the HOME_WORK notes file came up with the following
    
    > First calculate the cross sectional area (A) of the oil.  the formula I
    > generate is:
    >
    >    A = ( PI * R * H / 2.0 ) + R*(H-R)*cos(PI*(H-R)/(2*R))
    >
    > Then the volume is generated by multiplying the cross sectional area by
    > the length, L, of the tank.  That is, V = A*L
    
    I have not had a chance to check it, but it looks good to me..
    
    jb
2036.11HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Thu Apr 11 1996 19:354
Isn't .10 the same as .2 ?

/Eric
2036.12How do i calculate the contents of my oil tank?FRSTSC::TLAUER&quot;Everything is relative!&quot; - &quot;Yes, absolutely.&quot;Thu Nov 14 1996 12:1328
2036.13BUSY::SLABThailboat!!Thu Nov 14 1996 14:063
2036.14AUSS::GARSONDECcharity Program OfficeThu Nov 14 1996 20:1838
2036.15FRSTSC::TLAUER&quot;Everything is relative!&quot; - &quot;Yes, absolutely.&quot;Mon Nov 18 1996 05:1018
2036.16AUSS::GARSONDECcharity Program OfficeMon Nov 18 1996 05:435
2036.17FRSTSC::TLAUER&quot;Everything is relative!&quot; - &quot;Yes, absolutely.&quot;Tue Nov 19 1996 05:4815
2036.18run an hour meter on itNETCAD::ROLKEWhat &quot;Year 199: problem&quot; ?Tue Nov 19 1996 13:309
2036.19anybody want to check this?AUSS::GARSONDECcharity Program OfficeFri Nov 22 1996 06:3347
2036.20AUSS::GARSONDECcharity Program OfficeSat Dec 07 1996 03:3560