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Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
Total number of notes:14613

1931.0. "help with shape, volume" by RANGER::CACCAVALE () Tue Jan 24 1995 16:50

    
    I am looking around through text books for a volume formula.
    Specifically, I want to find a shape into which I can inscribed a
    sphere, and whose volume will be only slightly larger than the volume
    of the inscribed sphere ( around 10 % larger ). I was thinking of a
    type of geodesic shape. If not a 3D shape, I could use the 2D analog of
    the shape with an inscribed circle. Any pointers will be much
    appreciated. 
    
    Thanks,
    Frank 
    
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1931.1EVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Jan 24 1995 19:339
    Do you have any requirements on this "shape"?
    
    There are 5 regular polyhedra, i.e., solid shapes that you can pack
    densely in 3 dimensions. 
    
    Or would you be satisfied with something more irregular, but which
    fit your sphere better? How about something curvy?
    
      John
1931.2regular polyhedra okRANGER::CACCAVALETue Jan 24 1995 19:594
    regular polyhedra would be fine. Could you please list for me ?
    
    Thanks,
    Frank
1931.3WIBBIN::NOYCEAlpha's faster: over 4.2 billion times (per minute)Tue Jan 24 1995 20:509
The 5 regular polyhedra are
	tetrahedron  (triangular pyramid)
	cube
	octahedron  (2 square pyramids glued base-to-base)
	dodecahedron (12 pentagons)
	icosahedron (20 triangles)

The more sides, the closer fit around the sphere (I assume).
Sorry, I can only derive formulas for the first 3.
1931.4Formulas for the regular polyhedraBALZAC::QUENIVETMargins are often too small.Tue Jan 31 1995 14:1390
1931.5FORTY2::PALKATue Jan 31 1995 15:1829
    re .1
    
>>>    There are 5 regular polyhedra, i.e., solid shapes that you can pack
>>>    densely in 3 dimensions. 
    
    That's not the usual definition of the regular polyhedra. Usually they
    are described as having a number of identical faces and vertices, each
    face being a regular polyhedron.
    
    If you want a better shape then you can modify an icosohedron. Imagine
    cutting a tiny bit off each of the corners. You modify each triangular
    side into a hexagon, with 3 large sides and 3 small sides. Each corner
    is now a small pentagon. Now take more off the corners, increasing the
    size of the pentagons, shrinking the large sides of the hexagons, and
    increasing the small sides of the hexagons. When the small sides of the
    hexagons are the same size as the large sides stop. You now have a
    shape with 20 hexagons and 12 pentagons. This shape fits a sphere
    better than the original icosahedron. It should be easy enough to
    calculate the volume of this shape - it is the same as the icosahedron
    less the pentagonal pyramids taken from each corner. I expect the same
    sphere will fit inside this truncated icosahedron.
    
    You can improve on this shape further, by gluing another pyramid on to
    each hexagon and pentagon. These pyramids are very flat, but allow a
    slightly larger sphere to be contained in the shape. I'll leave it to
    someone else to determine how high these pyramids ought to be, and the
    size of the sphere that can be contained.
    
    Andrew
1931.6models available at toy & sports storesRANGER::BRADLEYChuck BradleyTue Jan 31 1995 16:325
in the u.s., the technical name for the construction in .5 is soccer ball.
in the rest of the world it is a football.
close enough to a sphere for recreational work.

1931.7AUSSIE::GARSONachtentachtig kacheltjesTue Jan 31 1995 23:418
    re .4
    
    The English word that you are looking for is "circumscribed".
    
    re .6
    
    Don't count Australia in with the rest of the world on that one. Here a
    real football is approximately ellipsoidal. ;-)
1931.860 faces?HDLITE::GRIESThu Mar 09 1995 18:514
    Is there not a regular polhedra with 60 faces, 90 edges, and 32
    vertices?  the buckey ball?
    
    
1931.9RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Thu Mar 09 1995 19:1210
    Re .8:
    
    It's not regular.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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1931.10Two different buckyballsWIBBIN::NOYCEAlpha's faster: over 4.2 billion times (per minute)Fri Mar 10 1995 16:4920
To be precise, some of the faces (12?) are regular pentagons, and the
rest are regular hexagons.

Re .5
The other way to modify the icosahedron is to connect the midpoints of
adjacent edges, so that each triangular face is replaced with four
triangles:

	    /\
	   /  \
	  /----\
	 / \  / \
	/___\/___\

The center triangle is still tangent to your sphere, but the three original
vertices can be brought closer to the sphere's center, until the three outer
triangles are also tangent to the sphere.

You can repeat this recursively, to get a volume that's arbitrarily close to
the sphere.