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Conference rusure::math

Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
Total number of notes:14613

880.0. "you saw me standing alone" by VINO::JMUNZER () Wed Jun 01 1988 12:53

    Perhaps you noticed that a blue moon occurred on 5/31/88.  The previous
    blue moon was on 7/31/85, the next one will be on 12/31/90.  What's
    the average time between blue moons?
    
    Reference:	Yf they saye the mone is belewe,
    		We must beleve that it is true.		1528
    
    		Ye Moone is made of grene cheese.	1529
    
    John (quotes from NY Times)
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880.1definitely infrequentZFC::DERAMOI am, therefore I'll think.Wed Jun 01 1988 15:285
     A blue moon being the second full moon of a calendar
     month.  For example, there were full moons on both 5/1/88
     and 5/31/88.
     
     Dan
880.2BEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Mon Jun 06 1988 12:1727
    Re .0:
    
    Figure that the moon is full about every 29.5 days.  In 28-day or
    29-day months (one in 12), a second full moon cannot occur.  In 30-day
    months (5/12), a second full moon occurs if the first falls within the
    first .5 days (assuming you require the exact moment of the second full
    moon to be within the month), so that happens in .5/29.5 of the 30-day
    months.  In 31-day months (6/12), it's 1.5/29.5. 
    
    The chance of an average month containing a second full moon is (0*1/12
    + .5*5/12 + 1.5*6/12)/29.5 = 23/708.  Second full moons occur about
    every 30.8 months. 
    
    Non-math digression follows.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
    A blue moon is not the second full moon of a month.  Webster's defines
    "once in a blue moon" as a rare period, arising from the fact that
    atmospheric particles occasionally result in a blue tint to the moon.
    Citations from literature concur:  Daniel Herbert Lawrence wrote "once
    in the _bluest_ of blue moons".  If a second full moon is a blue moon,
    what is the bluest of blue moons?  I looked up a total of five
    citations of use of "blue moon" by various authors; none used it to
    mean the second full moon of a month. 
880.3it's when you paint your butt blue, and ...ZFC::DERAMOI am, therefore I'll think.Mon Jun 06 1988 14:2119
     On the radio and tv the day of the blue moon, it was
     described as being when atmospheric conditions give it
     a blue color by an astronomer and as the second full
     moon of the month by everyone else [the anchors were
     probably just repeating what the weatherman said].  The
     specific dates listed in .0 probably refer to the definition
     in .1 as opposed to the one in .2. :-)
     
     There is a neat "sci fi" story about a place where some
     factory releases a chemical that causes the moon to look
     blue, and all sorts of once-in-blue-moon type things
     start to happen.
     
     The first time difference in .0 is a little longer, the
     second is in better agreement with the figure derived
     in .2.
     
     Dan
     
880.4Blue Moon rathole...CHOVAX::YOUNGDumb, Expensive, Dumb ... (Pick Two)Mon Jun 06 1988 16:3320
    Re .2,.3:  "Blue Moon" origin controversy...
    
    It seems that this is something of a wide controversy concerning
    the origin of this phrase.  The best explanantion for the 2 different
    claims that I have heard, is that when Krakotoa blew in the 1800's
    it threw up enough particles into the upper atmosphere that the
    full moon at the end of that month appeared Blue.  It also just
    happened that that was the second full moon of that month.
    
    I have never heard any academic verification of this story, maybe
    someone could post in JOYOFLEX(?) and see what comes out?

        
    Re .3:  Blue Moon story:
    
    That was "Blued Moon" by Connie Willis, published a year or so ago
    in Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction magazine.  A VERY funny story
    that was nominated for several awards (cannot remember if it won).

    --  Barry
880.5Moon-CycleHAMCL3::KEMMANNTue Jun 07 1988 08:286
    Re .2 : for Your info:
    		the moon-cycle is 29.53059 days.
    		I used this number for calculation of Easter-Sunday.
    		I got this number from a customer, where we had to install
    		an automatic calendar-calculation.
    	regards Thomas.