Conference rocks::weight_control

    I got one at shaws market.  At the checkoutounter.
    
    How reliable?? who knows...
    
    Wheres mike Z?? Hell know where to find a reliable source.

.0>    A friend of mine would like a list of the calorie and fat 
.0>    content of popular fast foods items (McDonald's, Wendy's, 

    	Bookstores have lots of guides to fast food nutrition.
    
    	Or you could ask the manager of any fast food place, if he doesn't
    have the information, (s)he'll know how you can get it.  But you'll
    spend lots of time making the rounds and writing letters.  Think
    about stopping by a bookstore.
    
    -mike z

I have a pamphlet called 'Fast Food Facts' put out by Eli Lilly and Company
from Indianapolis.  It is for diabetics.  It has some great information in 
it like...
	- serving size
	- calories
	- carbohydrate
	- protein
	- fat
	- sodium
	- exchanges 

This information is listed for Burger King, Hardee's, Kentucky Fried Chicken,
McDonald's, Wendy's, and Pizza Hut.

At the back of the pamphlet it says...

"This booklet is provided as a service by Eli Lilly and Company,
manufacturer of Humulin (human insulin [recombinant DNA origin]) and Iletin 
(insulin, Lilly).  The information has been excerpted from 'Fast Food Facts;
Nutritive and Exchange Values for Fast Food Restaurants', Marion Franz, RD, MS 
(data collected 1985).  For information on how to obtain the complete booklet
or other publications for diabetes patients, write to:  The International
Diabetes Center, 500 West 39th Street, Minneapolis, MN  55416"

I will make some photocopies of the pamphlet and if anyone wants a copy, you
can send me mail on FSTVAX::SWEENEY with your name and mailstop.

Susan

    I was in Burger King last week and they have these HUGE nutrition
    charts up (it's about time) so I asked the manager if they had any
    smaller versions, and if I could have one.
    
    I have two pamphlets, "Your guide to nutrition at Burger King" and
    "The ligher way menu."
    
    One nice feature in the first pamphlet, is the section where they
    suggest ways to shave calories off the fast foods, for example the
    mayo on a Whopper is 146 calories, all fat, and the ranch sauce
    on the BK broiler is 90 calories, mostly fat.
    
    So, a whopper, hold the mayo comes in at 470, and 5 grams of fat.
    That's 11% of the calories from fat, and that's not bad at all for
    a fast food burger.
    
    Next time you eat at BK, ask for a few of these, they'll help you
    make smart choices when you eat out.

    Yes, those nutritional brochures can be full of interesting facts. I
    picked one up at Au Bon Pain the last time I ate there and found out
    that the hearth rolls that I'm so fond of contain 250 calories. I
    was counting them as 2 WW bread exchanges instead of 3. Live and
    learn!
    
    Sue
    

	Of course, a whopper without the mayo is not a whopper at all

	:-)

    Taco Bell has a new tray liner that lists % calories from fat for
    the various menu choices.
    
    I nearly gagged on my taco when I saw that for almost every single
    choice, the % calories from fat was nearly 50%.
    
    If memory serves me right, the tostada had the lowest %, at about 30%.

    Coffee to go please!

    
    
     I read somewhere  that last year people were outraged becuase of the
    high fat content, they found it mostly do to frying in coconut oil's
    I'm not sure if they've swithced to a better oils yet? but it doesnt't
    look like it.
    
    Bill

    re .9
    
    All fats have the same number of calories per gram.  Corn oil and other
    low cholesterol oils are no lower in calories than high-cholesterol
    fats like lard and coconut oil.  If you have to watch your cholesterol,
    then these oils might be better, but as far as losing weight it doesn't
    make one bit of difference.

    
    
    re .10
    
      < but as far as losing weight it doesn't make one bit of difference >
    
     I'm sure you must not of meant this? I mean the % of fat in certain
     oils do make a difference, if your trying to loose weight it would be
     advantageous to stick with lower fat oils (when needed) as it is
     recommended to lower your fat intake?
                                          
    Bill

The only difference between oils is the saturated-ness which ties to 
blood cholesterol via some very vague relationships.

Caloriewise, oil = fat = 9 calories per gram, or about 100 calories per 
tablespoon.

	JP

oil and fat are synonymous..."lower fat oil" is like saying "lower fat
fat". Doesn't make any sense.

D!

It's a pleasant thought, though...

    Have you heard of McDonald's McLean burger?
    
    It's advertised as 91% fat free.
    
    But the nutrition information sheet lists the McLean Deluxe (that's
    without cheese) as 320 calories, with 10 grams of fat. That's 28%
    of the calories from fat, not nearly as good as it sounds when they
    just talk about the % fat by weight of the uncooked patty.
    
    I'll stick with my hold-the-mayo-Whoppers (see .4).

    From the McDonald's pamphlet "McDonald's Food: the Facts" :
    	(I calculated the % calories from fat)
    
    
    Sandwich		cals	gFat	%calFat
    -------------------------------------------
    Hamburger		255	 9	31.8%
    Cheesburger		305	13	38.4%
    Qrt Pounder		410	20	43.9%
    Qrt Pounder w/chs	510	28	49.4%
    McLean Deluxe	320	10	28.1%
    McLean Deluxe w/chs	370	14	34.1%
    Big Mac		500	26	46.8%
    Filet-O-Fish	370	18	43.8%
    McChicken		415	20	43.4%
    Chicken Fajitas	185	 8	38.9%

	Does anyone know the fat content and caloric information
	for Hommus ?

	(I couldn't find a better place for this question, although
	it's not really a "fast food")

	How about McDonalds' grilled chicken sandwich?
	(There that ties it into the topic!)

	Karen

    Depends on how its made.  Recipes vary with the cook, and some use lots
    of tahini, which is sesame paste -- very high fat -- and many people
    also add olive oil.  For recipes and more information about hummus try
    PAGODA::COOKS, note 873.
    
    -ellie

My Weight Watchers' Maintenance Guide lists hummus as:

	1/3 cup = 1 FA, 1 P, 1 1/2 B

For the non-Weight Watchers:

	1 FA = 40 calories
	1 P  = 70 calories
	1 B  = 80 calories

This is for the average restaurant hummus.  If you make it yourself, you
can count the individual ingredients.

--Sharon

    I don't have McDonald's grilled chicken sandwich info, but Wendy's is:
    
    	Chicken Sandwich - 19.0 gm fat, 430 calories
    	Grilled chicken sandwich - 13.0 gm fat, 340 calories
    
    This info is from The T-Factor Fat Gram Counter. I've been using it for
    about six weeks for everything. It's fits very nicely into your purse
    (about 4" x 3-1/2").
    
    I assume that the fat and calories would be lower if you get the items
    prepared with no condiments (maybe just lettuce/tomato).
    
    Catherine
    

    forget the calories, look at the fat content for those items.  Unless
    that's all you eat with fat in it that is really going to push it.

    If you want a low-fat fast food chicken sandwich, go for the BK broiler
    at Burger King.  They have a leaflet that lists nutritional analyses of
    their foods, and this sandwich is the lowest thing on it.  It contains
    4 grams of fat, if you "hold the sauce".  And it actually tastes OK,
    too.  I don't know how many calories are in it, since I don't count
    calories, just grams of fat.  
    
    It's interesting to look at the leaflet they have.  One of the *worst*
    things to get, in terms of fat is the breaded and fried chicken
    sandwich.  And the breaded and fried fish sandwich.  I can't remember
    the numbers, but they were higher in fat than the cheeseburgers.  

.20> Chicken Sandwich - 19.0 gm fat, 430 calories
    
    That's 40% of the calories from fat.
    
.20> Grilled chicken sandwich - 13.0 gm fat, 340 calories
    
    That's 34% of the calories from fat, not much better.
    
    
    FYI: when I get the BK broiler, I replace the "sauce" with mustard.

	Well, seeing the vast difference between the Wendy's grilled
	chicken and the BK Broiler, I'm still interested in the 
	McDonald's info if anyone has it.

	Karen

    Here are some values from the Encyclopedia of Food Values.
    
    McDonalds:                                                          %cals
    			cal.	fat g	sat.fat.g	sodium g	 fat
    Big Mac		560	32.4	10.1		950		52.1
    cheeseburg		310	13.8	5.2		750		40.0
    mcnuggets (4 oz)	290	16.3	4.1		520		50.6
    filetofish		440	26.1	4.1		520		53.4
    McChicken		490	28.6	5.4		780		52.5
    hamburg		260	9.5	3.6		500		32.9
    Quarter Lb+chs	520	29.2	11.2		1150		50.5
    Quarter lb		410	20.7	8.1		660		45.4
    small fry		220	12.0	2.7		110		49.1
    lg fry		400	21.6	5.0		200		48.6
    chef salad		230	13.3	5.9		490		52.0
    chunky chicken sal	140	3.4	0.9		230		21.9
    
    
    Burger King:
                                        %cals
    			cal.	fat g	fat
    chicken sand	685	40.0	52.6
    BK broiler		379	18.0	42.7
    cheeseburger	318	15.0	42.5
    hamburger		272	11.0	36.4
    ocean catch		495	25.0	45.5
    Whopper		614	36.0	52.8
    Whopper+cheese	706	44.0	56.1
    Chick tenders (6)	236	13.0	49.6
    chef salad		178	9.0	45.5
    chicken salad	142	4.0	25.4
    onion rings		339	19.0	50.4
    med. fries		372	20.0	48.4
    
    Pizza Hut:
    2 slice med hand tossed cheese:	518 cal	20.0 g fat	34.7%calsfat
    " " " " " pepperroni		500	23		41.4
    " " " pan pizza cheese:		492	18.0		32.9
    " " " " " pepp.			540	22		35.0
    Personal Pan Supreme		647	28		38.9
    
    Taco Bell
    beef burriot			493	21		38.3
    bean burrito			447	14		28.2
    taco (reg)				183	11		54.1
    taco, bellgrande			335	23		61.8
    chicken taco			171	9		47.4
    soft taco				225	12		48.0
    
    KFC:
    original breast			283	15.3		48.7
    original thigh			294	19.7		60.3
    crispy breast			342	19.7		51.8
    Lite-n-crispy breast		220	11.9		48.7
    Lite-n-crispy drumstick		121	7.0		52.1
    biscuit				232	11.9		46.2
    potatoes+gravy			71	1.6		20.3
    
    
    Diana

    Since your chart show quite a different figure for the BK Broiler than
    what I remembered, I went to Burger King today to take a look at their
    chart again.  Their chart lists the sandwich as containing 10 grams of
    fat, 4 grams of which come from the sauce.  So I did remember
    incorrectly, since I thought the sauce was 6 and the sandwich 4.  But
    this is still quite different from what your chart shows.  
    
    I tend to thing the BK chart is correct.  This sandwich doesn't *taste*
    like it has a lot of fat in it.  
    
    -ellie

    I've never had a BK broiler so I can't say.
    
    Remember that figures for these things, no matter what your source, can
    be innaccurate up to 20% off.  
    
    One of the reasons I find the Encyclopedia annoying is that it lists
    VERY precise values when it can't possibly be that accurate.  Also, it
    has many precise value for imprecise measures of food.  For instance,
    how can they know that a "medium apple" has 74 calories?  How do they
    know it doesn't have 78?  Sheesh!
    
    Anyway, use your best judgement. The difference between 10 grams of fat
    and 18 grams of fat is only about 70 calories worth, which will not
    make or break any diet.
    
    What is the sauce, anyway?  Is it mayo-based?  Real mayonaise or "salad
    dressing" has 4 grams of fat per tsp or thereabouts.  I'm skeptical
    that the sauce has so little fat...
    
    D!

    yes, if you are counting calories, it's not a big deal.  But I try to
    limit myself to 25-30 grams of fat per day when I am dieting, so for me
    the difference between 10 grams of fat and 18 is considerable.  I don;t
    know what the sauce is made of, sinc I've never gotten it.  I imagine
    it is mayo based, and I hate any of that sort of thing on warm food.
    So I don't even miss the sauce.  The BK Broiler, by the way, is just a
    broiled piece of skinless chicken breast on a sort-of bran roll.
    
    -e

    When in doubt ... trust the Burger King literature.
    
    The sandwiches can undergo lots of changes over the course of a year
    or two, and the pamphlets from the company should reflect the latest
    sandwich.