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Title: Weight Loss and Maintenance
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Moderator:ASICS::LESLIE
Created:Tue Jul 10 1990
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:933
Total number of notes:9931

903.0. "insights/encouragement needed" by HELIX::ROCHE () Fri Nov 03 1995 01:19

    
    
    A saga for your consideration...
    
    I've always struggled with losing weight.  But over the past couple
    years, i've been losing the battle and i'm not sure why.  I'll spare
    you the various things i've tried without a lot of luck and recount my
    latest experience.
    
    For the past 5 weeks - I've been writing down everything (yes
    everything) I eat and drink and intentionally shooting for a calorie
    intake around 1300 per day with 15g or less of fat per day.  I have
    been successful reaching and maintaining those targets.  I exercise
    in an intermediate/advanced aerobics class 3-4-5 times per week -
    generally 4 times/week.  I've been drinking at least 64 oz of water a
    day.  I have been eating 3 meals per day - breakfast being by far the
    smallest.  Due to my work out schedule, dinner is generally around 8pm
    at nite.  I'm usually in bed by 11pm.  After 4 weeks, I had lost 5 pounds.
    
    Previous to starting this 'diet', I was eating not so much generally
    perceived as 'bad things' but rather larger quantities than I should
    have been.  Also, given my scrutiny during the past 5
    weeks, I know now I was also eating much much higher quantities of fat. 
    I've found that it's really quite difficult to eat low fat things and
    eat out/have a social life.
    
    At any rate, I felt that I should have lost a lot more than 5 pounds
    after all my efforts.  I went to my doctor armed with all this info,
    including all my food/drink intake and exercise regime...he told me
    that I should be thrilled I'd lost 5 pounds and actually that was too
    much - that you should only lose 2 pounds/month.  Now, I know that the
    weight didn't come on over nite, but this seems unreasonable to me. 
    I'm not asking for overnite miracles - but given my level of exercise
    and my intake, and my previous intake that had my maintaining my weight
    - losing only 5 pounds is very discouraging to me.  The doctor actually
    said that 'well, people do well until the ice cream truck comes
    around - and then they don't write that down....and people don't
    estimate servings well'...to both of these I *swear* I have not been
    dishonest.  I have indeed written EVERYTHING down.  I have
    consciencously referred to my fat/calorie book - measured my servings,
    and been eating lean cuisines and Weight watchers pre-measured meals.  
    
    I should also say that I have had my thryoid tested - which came back
    normal.  To which my doctor said - 'it would have been nice to blame
    your weight problem on that, but the test came back normal, so watch
    your calories and exercise more.'  At the time, I was also doing 1/2 an
    hour on a stairmaster 3 times a week in addition to doing aerobics 3-4
    times per week.  I don't have any more time to exercise unless I change
    my job to being a full-time aerobics instructor!
    
    I checked my blood pressure and pulse at a local store the other day -
    and my pulse came in at 44.  I thought for sure that it was a
    misreading - so I have been taking it off and on since then.  Well -
    believe it or not - I've found it to be as low as 35 after sitting
    watching TV for an hour or so.  I wanted to ask the doctor if he
    thought this could be related - but after the comments he made, I
    couldn't bear to hear him tell me I was grasping at straws.
    
    
    I need some encouragement!
    
    -mary
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903.1I can sympathize with your plight....GENRAL::HAYESFri Nov 03 1995 01:4833
    Mary - 
    
    I can certainly sympathize with you.  I've been struggeling with my
    weight for over 5 years now - I used to be so thin my ribs stuck out,
    but now am 50 pounds overweight.  No matter what I do, I just can't
    loose it.  I've been on Weight Watchers twice, tried a "fad" diet
    called "Carbohydrates Addict Diet", started walking to work (6 miles
    one way), exercise ~5x per week, have tried my own variety of diets
    (low protein, high carb and vice-versa)........and I've pretty much
    stayed the same.  And my Doc. was also so very encouraging.....NOT!  He
    told me the reason I gained so much weight was that I eliminated a
    tremendous amount of stress from my life, which was the reason I was so
    thin, and that it would take my body 6 months to realize that the
    stress was gone - until then he said my body would act as if I were
    fasting - I had burned up so many calories because of the stress that
    my body was now hording all the calories I put into it in anticipation
    for the next stress.  O.K. - that made sense, because I HAD been in a
    constantly stressful situation for 6 years - so I asked what I could do
    until my body settled down (at the time I was living pretty much on
    salad, raw fruits and vegetables, and diet soda), and he told me to
    watch my intake of fat.  (In other words, he didn't believe me, just as
    your Doc. evidently doesn't believe you!)  It DOES get discouraging,
    doesn't it, when you do everything you can think of and STILL can't
    seem to lose weight?  All I can say is, Hang in there!  If you're 5
    lbs. stays off, and you can keep up the loss, even if it IS painfully
    slow, at least you're making some headway!  
    
    Hopefully someone else will have something more encouraging to say -
    which I would really like to hear myself!  But at least you know you're
    not alone out there!!!!!
    
    Tina
     
903.2Some ideas...MARVIN::CROWLESeek not answers; live the questionsMon Nov 06 1995 16:1237
    Mary,
    
    Yes, it's disappointing to have made so much effort and then not lose
    as much as you would have liked.  But your experience is not too
    different from mine.  From your note I would guess you are eating about
    500 Calories a day less than you need to maintain your weight.  A 3500
    Calorie shortfall gives you a pound lost, in theory.  In my first month
    of dieting I was running at 600 Calories a day below, and ended up 7
    pounds down.  Much the same really - so Tina's absolutely right, hang
    in there and you'll succeed!  Must admit I find you doctor's reaction
    puzzling.  Maybe he's just being ultra cautious, wanting you to lose
    weight very slowly.  He's scared you might go to the other extreme:
    near starvation diets may give you rapid weightloss but are downright
    dangerous.  
    
    Tina, like you say, I think your doctor may be right about the stress,
    but its a bit defeatist for him to suggest you need to wait 6 months
    before you can expect to succeed.  Have you thought of trying a
    rotation diet?  If your metabolism has been slowed down because of
    stress (or the lack of it!) then rotation is one way you might get it
    going again.  There was a lot of interest in rotation in this notesfile
    a few years back - take a look at note 89 and its replies.  The basic
    idea is that you go on a fairly strict regime for 3 weeks, then slowly
    relax back to your weight maintenance level.  That way your body does
    not have time to adjust its metabolic rate to the restricted intake and
    is forced to start burning fat right away.  Most of the people who
    answered note 89 have very positive things to say about how they got
    on.
    
    One last topical thought - if you start a rotation cycle in the next
    couple of weeks, you'll get through the strict bit in time to be back
    to maintainance level eating for Christmas ... :-)  (Thinking about it,
    I might just try this myself!)
    
    Good luck
    
    Brian
903.3Thanks!GENRAL::HAYESMon Nov 06 1995 17:485
    Thanks, Brian.  I'll take a look at notes 89.* and give it a try - it
    certainly can't hurt!
    
    Tina
    
903.4You're doing great!STOWOA::NEWBERGTue Nov 07 1995 01:3017
    Mary, hang on a second! 5 lbs in 4 weeks is excellent. After 20 weeks it
    will be over 20 lbs at that rate. 
    
    I honestly believe that the slower you lose, the more likely you will
    keep it off. I think more than 1 or 2 lbs a week is not enough time to
    change your lifestyle permanently.
    
    Honest! IF you could drop 20 lbs in a month any time you wanted, I'll
    bet you would have to do it more OFTEN then you wanted.
    
    It sounds like you're on a good plan, now. If you stick with it, it
    will go.
    
    I've been there and I've been maintaining my goal weight for a long
    time, now.
    
    Amy
903.5TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonThu Nov 09 1995 20:2613
    
    I used to be 145lbs., size 12/14 jeans/skirts and nothing but nothing 
    would help to decrease that amount...including 2 weeks at Kripalu (a 
    yoga center) where I exercised and did yoga 3 times per day, sauna,
    whirlpool, walks through the woods and running on occasion, no sugar, 
    very little fat, all-vegetarian food.  After a while, I just accepted
    my weight and resolved to always being that size.
    
    A year ago though, I tried Herbalife products (nutrition-based), and 
    lost 3.5 lbs. in one week. I've now lost 10-12 lbs., down to a size 6/8
    pant/skirt, and it's stayed off for a year now with no effort.
    
    Cindy
903.6YOU ARE DOING GREAT!VAXUUM::FARINAThu Dec 07 1995 23:0420
    Mary, I agree with .4 - you're doing GREAT!  Do not be discouraged. 
    You are doing all the right things, and it has been proven that losing
    the weight slowly through lifestyle changes, as you are doing, is
    significantly better than losing 10-20 pounds in the first month!
    
    One thing that no one has mentioned is that muscle weighs far more than
    fat.  Did you take your measurements before starting the exercise and
    "eating modification?"  If not, why don't you do that now, and check in
    another month to see if there is a difference.  Exercise will not
    really make you lose weight, but it burns fat and adds muscle (which,
    as I said, weight more than fat!).  So when your exercise program is as
    dedicated as yours, you've been adding muscle, which seems to
    counteract the weightloss to a small degree.  You've probably lost 8
    pounds of fat and added 3 of muscle!  This is wonderful.  Start
    noticing if your clothes feel a little different.
    
    Keep up the good work!!  And tell us how you did this month.
    
    
    Susan