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Title: Weight Loss and Maintenance
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Moderator:ASICS::LESLIE
Created:Tue Jul 10 1990
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:933
Total number of notes:9931

874.0. "Keeping weight off from A Frenchman's point of view" by MSBCS::GIRONDEL () Tue Dec 13 1994 00:05

    Loosing and keeping it off.
    
    I came upon this notes file by chance. 
    
    Coming from France, and still going there once in a while, I am always
    struck by the fact that that folks over there are so much thinner than
    here, and still eat well...and as I look back at the way I was
    raised as far as diet/food and exercise are concerned:
    
    
    1-american food is very sweet (my French parents are always amazed that 
    	there is sugar = calories in everything, including store bought 
    	potatoe salad
    
    2-As a kid, I was never allowed to eat between meals
    
    3-There was no soda (think of how soda people drink) or salty snack foods
    
    4-we ate in smaller quantities: when you get icecream in France, they
    	serve you much smaller portions than here.
    
    5-WE WALKED EVERYWHERE!!!!!!and I plainly think that suburban life, 
    	and contact use of the car to get anywhere deprives us from 
    	the exercise of walking.....
    
    
    I used to be 15 pounds heavier than I am now and I struggle to keep 
    if off not by cutting on food but I  eat in moderation every meal.
    I eat a hefty breakfast and still satisfy my horrible sweet tooth for 
    pies and cookies. My only salvation is exercise: I run five miles
    a day, ski, hike .....and would get fat if I were inactive....
    
    I firmly believe that exercise is the key to weight control for most
    people, with reasonnable meals of any sort...making the time might 
    be difficult for a lot of people.
                         
    
    Thought I could share my thoughts on this difficult subject...
    
    Good luck
    
    Denis
    
    
          
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874.1IMTDEV::BRUNOTue Dec 13 1994 02:3612
RE:                   <<< Note 874.0 by MSBCS::GIRONDEL >>>
       
     What you say seems valid.  I noticed how strange it felt to walk to the
post office, grocery store, etc. when I began doing it.  I also noticed that
I didn't have a great deal of fellow walkers.

     Rising gasoline prices would probably generate a larger number of walking
people.  With the fear of crime, I can't imagine much else that would motivate
such exercise.

                                       Greg

874.2MSBCS::GIRONDELThu Dec 15 1994 23:2614
    In summary, what I wanted to say was (it's only one opinion) I dont 
    believe in weight control "miracles/gimmicks/fads" such as pills, appetite
    suppressants. I also dont believe in the lately discovered gene that 
    makes people prone to be overweight. I think it's all mathematical:
    if one needs say 2500 calories a day, and ingest 3000 calories, the
    person will get fat..I remember how amazed I was when I found out how
    many calories I burn while jogging: on a five mile run, at my weight,
    and at the speed I run, I burn only about 100 calories a mile!!!! and I 
    can blow it all with a couple of snickers bars! a big mac with the 
    works has around 500 calories (it would take about a forty minute run to 
    work it off). The advice I give myself daily is exercise and eart what 
    you want, in moderate quantities (I admit to cheating a little with the 
    sweets once in a while)...weight control in my sedentary job is a
    constant struggle. Good luck to you all   
874.3another approachTNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonFri Dec 16 1994 02:0619
    
    One thing also to consider - if the villi in your intestines are not in
    good working order, you will not absorb the proper nutrients.  So you
    can eat a lot - even be eating a good diet - and still be starving 
    nutritionally.  When you are starving like this, the cells hold onto 
    the fat, you crave even more fatty foods, and it becomes a cycle that 
    is difficult to break.  These villi get destroyed by excessive stress, 
    very poor eating habits (fat and junk that clogs your intestines), and 
    so on.  
    
    In addition to reducing stress, and reducing fat intake, there are
    nutrients and herbs on the market today that begin to repair these
    villi, and then you can begin to absorb the nutrients properly again. 
    You can also do some things like colon cleanses to help the process.
    
    Once you begin to get the nutrients your body requires, then the
    cravings reduce and your metabolism begins to function better.
    
    Cindy
874.4BIRDEE::JENNISONNo 'ellMon Dec 19 1994 21:579
	Perhaps you could site your sources for such information.

	I subscribe to a number of Wellness and Nutrition newsletters,
	read most anything I can get my hands on w.r.t. fitness, and
	am a certified Fitness Counselor/Personal Trainer.  That said,
	I have yet to read the theory you posted...

	Karen
874.5MSBCS::GIRONDELTue Dec 20 1994 17:4827
    Karen, 
    
    
    "I have yet to read the theory you posted"...
    
    I thought it would be interesting to hear from someone coming from 
    another culture. By having lived both in France and in the US for a
    long time, and seeing almost zero obesity in my home country, and
    an incredible number of people heavier than they'd like to be, I
    have wondered why such a difference in people's shape. Could not 
    be genetic stock, and had to be lifestyle (diet, exercise).
    
    My observations are just gutfeel and I believe what I say, and pratice
    it. 
    
    I would challange anyone who says I can't lose it, I can't get in
    shape: do a 10-20 miles  mountain hike for a couple of weeks, 
    with full pack, on 3000 calories day, I guarantee the results 
    (I have done it). It's a heck of daily challenge also for me to keep
    in shape...and I see only one way to keep lean: keep the fork away from 
    my mouth, an exercise. Forget about all these expensive gimmicks (special 
    foods,pills, programs....)  
     
    anyone interested in an slimdown Appalachian trail adventure this
    summer? 
    
    
874.6CNTROL::JENNISONGod and sinners reconciled!Thu Dec 22 1994 17:426
	Sorry, I should have put in a note reference.

	My comments were in regards to Cindy's note in 874.3 

	Karen
874.7Perhaps so...TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonTue Jan 03 1995 23:5512
    
    Re.4
    
    Karen,  
    
    Specifically which points are you interested in?  There 
    are several in .3. 
    
    Also, which newsletters and publications do you read?  I
    read a lot of them as well. 
    
    Cindy
874.8CNTROL::JENNISONGod and sinners reconciled!Wed Jan 04 1995 17:0712
	all of .3

	Currently, I subscribe to the Wellness Letter from UCal Berkelely
	and the Tufts Diet and Nutrition Newsletter, and American Fitness
	magazine.

	I also have quite a few reference books that include 
	the Wellness Encyclopedia, UCal Berkeley, excerpts from
	ACSM manuals, and my training manuals from multiple courses.

	Karen
874.9an expanded version re.8TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonThu Jan 05 1995 02:3183
                                
    I went back over .3 and wasn't sure where to begin, so...
    
    villi - these are 'minute projections arising from a mucous membrane'
    
    Villi exist in the small intestine and are responsible for absorbing
    the nutrients from the food we eat (these villi may also exist in the 
    large intestine too, but my source doesn't mention those).  Given our
    traditional western diet high in meatm fats, processed foods, and low 
    in fiber - these things tend to gum up our intestines and cause problems 
    such as constipation, irritable bowels, diverticulitis, and the whole 
    host of related ailments.  
    
    The villi in the small intestine that are supposed to absorb nutrients 
    are no longer able to do so because of the junk that attaches itself to
    them and damages them.  This creates a situation called 'malabsorption',
    where the nutrients simply do not get into the body, and are passed
    through unabsorbed.
    
    Depending upon the situation, this could either be responsible for
    weight gain or weight loss, and this depends on the individual body and
    how it handles it.  Lack of nutrients can cause weight loss, and a 
    buildup of toxins and fats in the body can cause weight gain.  Given 
    this scenario, neither case is particularly healthy since the body is 
    not functioning as it should be.  Same problem, different
    manifestation. 
    
    It is also possible to be heavy, yet be literally starving for
    nutrition.  In this case, the traditional way of dieting by cutting
    calories (except fat calories) and increasing exercise will not work 
    because in those cut calories are exactly the nutrients you need to 
    build the body back up and begin detoxify/repair it.
    
    It isn't surprising that you haven't (yet) heard of this 'theory', since 
    the majority of practicing M.D.s tend to believe that for the most part 
    we 'get all the nutrients we need from our diet', and only in extreme 
    medical cases recognize cases of malnutrition and malabsorption (the
    former is easier to recognize, but the later in milder forms is not.)
    I have not read much about this in any publications either, for about
    the same reason.  In fact, I was reading one newsletter - Public
    Citizen Health Letter - that had an article on the diet industry, and
    in only one small paragraph did they mention that it 'might be a good
    idea to take a multivitamin and mineral supplement if you reduce your
    caloric intake below ####" (####, I believe, is around 3000, but I
    don't recall exactly right now.  To me, this is a far cry from what
    really needs to happen before the body can begin to repair itself,
    especially in more extreme cases of weight gain and loss (obesity or
    anorexia).
    
    Most of my sources are from nutritional and alternative medicine
    publications.  They include books on vitamin, mineral, and herbal
    medicine, and alternative medical systems such as Ayurveda, the 
    ancient science of healing from India.  They include books by Rodale
    Press (Prevention magazine included), authors such as David Frawley who
    wrote "Ayurveda, Science of Healing" and "The Yoga Of Herbs" (with Dr.
    Vasant Lad) [I know David personally], and also Michael Tierra who
    has published several books on herbal medicine.  Additionally I have
    read several of Dr. Deepak Chopra's books that are based in Ayurveda
    including "Perfect Health" and "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind", and 
    subscribe to 'Health' magazine and CSPI.
    
    I have subscribed to both Tufts and the Berkeley newsletters in the
    past, but not in recent times, so I can't comment on their contents
    these days.
    
    This is not to say that all weight gain and loss can be attributed to 
    this alone.  Certainly there are many who just need to get out and do 
    some exercise to boost their metabolism, and the pounds will
    automatically come off, or modify their diets somewhat to eat better 
    things in general.  Or modify habits that are ingrained and need to be 
    relearned.  These things alone will help quite a few people who just
    need to shed a few pounds and in general do not suffer any serious
    physical chronic conditions.
    
    But for those who do, more than just exercise and learning new eating
    habits is needed.  Their bodies require a significant amount of the 
    base levels of nutrition to help repair and detoxify their bodies at 
    the problem source so that their health begins to improve (and I'm not
    referring to just taking a One-A-Day).  There are nutrients and herbs 
    that can actually do this, and are well-known in alternative medicine
    circles (especially in the Chinese and Ayurvedic systems of medicine).  
    
    Cindy