Conference rocks::weight_control

Herbalife - Questions and Answers
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Prepared by David B. Katzin, M.D., Ph.D.
Chairman of Herbalife's Medical & Scientific Advisory Board

1. What is Herbalife?

   Herbalife is a scientifically formulated, herbal-based, 
   calorie-reduced nutrition program.  It is centered around our 
   unique high-energy, protein-rich, nutritional "shake" or meal 
   replacement drink, Formula #1, to which has been added food 
   supplements containing important vitamins, minerals, essential 
   fatty acids and nutritional herbs.  The Herbalife program has 
   been used for weight control and health enhancement since 1980, 
   literally by millions of individuals around the world.

2. Do You Lose Weight Because You Skip Meals?

   No. Herbalife's calorie-reduced program encourages participants 
   to eat three meals daily.  Two usual meals are in the form of our 
   nutritionally balanced meal replacement drink, and the third is 
   any meal of your choice.  In addition, Herbalife has devised a 
   seven-day recommended meal plan which is distributed with its 
   program. Diets which require people to skip meals are unhealthy 
   and stimulate binge eating.

3. Is Herbalife A "Liquid Protein" or Starvation Diet?

   Definitely not!  Herbalife is neither of these.  Our program 
   supplies at least 1000 Calories daily and is nutritionally 
   complete so individuals can lose weight safely and effectively, 
   and, just as important, keep the weight off.  "Liquid protein" 
   diets, which use nutritionally unbalanced protein-based drinks, 
   or starvation diets, which reduce calories so low (less than 500 
   calories daily) that people literally starve to lose weight, are 
   both extremely unhealthy and have less than 20% long-term 
   success.

4. How Does Herbalife Work?

   Herbalife supplies all the balanced nutrition the body needs on a 
   daily basis.  Individuals, who choose to, can lose excess weight 
   by reducing excess calories without sacrificing important 
   nutrients like protein, potassium and iron.  As a result, they 
   feel their best while they lose both excess weight and inches.

5. Is Herbalife "Natural"?

   The Herbalife program is based entirely on nutrition and herbs.  
   The program does not use drugs, medications, hormones or other 
   synthetic agents to promote weight loss.  All ingredients in the 
   Herbalife program must fulfill three important conditions:  
   purity, potency and stability.  This is how we maintain the high 
   level of quality associated with the Herbalife name.

6. What Causes The Feeling Of Increased Energy?  Is It Caffeine?

   The weight loss and energy-enhancing effects of Herbalife are the 
   result of its scientifically balanced nutritional formula.  They 
   are not due to caffeine or any natural or synthetic stimulant.  
   Herbalife's 100% herbal guarana product contains pure guarana 
   which has a naturally occurring caffeine content of about 30 mg. 
   per tablet (the same amount of caffeine as a small cola drink).  
   No chemical caffeine is added to our guarana product, and there 
   is absolutely no caffeine in any other Herbalife product.

7. Are The Vitamin Levels, Like Vitamin A, High?  Are They Safe?

   The levels of vitamins and minerals in all Herbalife formulas are 
   carefully designed to assure that individuals consuming them will 
   not develop deficiencies or excesses.  All of our formulas are 
   created to assure that all individuals, regardless of their 
   nutritional needs, receive optimum nutrition.  Studies 
   demonstrate that there are no "buildup" of vitamins or minerals 
   associated with the use of Herbalife products, including Vitamin A.  
   In formulating Herbalife products, we have taken special care to 
   assure that Vitamin A levels are completely safe and never lead to 
   accumulation, even when consumed together with a diet rich in 
   Vitamin A.

8. What Do The Herbs Do And Are They Safe?

   Herbs are nature's bounty.  They are rich sources of vitamins, 
   minerals, fiber and related nutrients essential for good health.  
   The herbal mixtures used in Herbalife products have been created 
   by experts to maximize nutritional potency.  The herbs are the 
   highest quality available anywhere in the world and are free of 
   pesticide residues and other possible contaminants.  Tableting of 
   the herbal mixtures occurs under strict quality control to 
   assure both purity and safety.

9. Can Everyone Use Herbalife?

   Yes.  Since Herbalife products are 100% nutritional food 
   supplements, they are safe for everyone.  Certain individuals 
   including children, pregnant or lactating women, insulin 
   dependent diabetics and those with compromised kidney function 
   are advised to consult with their physician before beginning this 
   or any other weight loss program.

10. Does The FDA Have A Problem With Herbalife?  Is It Approved?

   In 1986 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration thoroughly 
   evaluated the Herbalife Program and issued a statement declaring 
   that all of the Herbalife products were safe.  However, the FDA 
   does not actually approve any nutritional product or food 
   supplement, only drugs, medications and medical devices.  In 
   addition, whenever Herbalife is introduced into a new country, it 
   is reviewed by that country's government before it is approved 
   for importation and distribution.

11. Has The Herbalife Program Been Tested?

   Absolutely.  The Herbalife program has had extensive clinical 
   testing in the United States and Great Britain.  All of the 
   studies have demonstrated that Herbalife products are safe and 
   effective on both the short term and long term basis.  In 
   addition, each batch of Herbalife products is quality-control 
   tested to ensure product integrity before it is shipped anywhere 
   in the world.

12. Do Herbalife Distributors Require Professional Training?

   No.  The Herbalife Weight Control Program has been specifically 
   designed by experts and doctors in the fields of food technology 
   and nutritional medicine so that it is completely 
   self-explanatory and therefore does not require or expect 
   nutritional expertise on the part of its distributors.  However, 
   the Herbalife Medical and Scientific Advisory Board offers its 
   distributors extensive nutritional education in the form of 
   literature, tapes, and seminars.

13. Does The Herbalife Program Change Eating Habits?

   Definitely.  The Herbalife Program promotes good nutritional 
   habits like reducing fat, fried foods, salt and sugar in the diet 
   and increasing fiber and complex carbohydrates.  Most important, 
   Herbalife teaches individuals how to achieve and maintain an 
   ideal weight.  It is a lifetime health program that works for 
   everyone.

14. Is Exercise A Part Of The Herbalife Program?

   Herbalife encourages participants to follow a healthy lifestyle 
   that includes good nutrition, regular exercise, moderation in the 
   use of alcohol and avoiding tobacco use.  The Herbalife Program 
   works even if individuals do not or cannot exercise.  Many people 
   cannot exercise because of serious injuries or other health 
   programs.  Even these individuals can use the Herbalife Program to 
   lose weight successfully.

15. Is There Enough Fluid and Fiber In The Herbalife Program?

   Yes.  When followed as recommended, the Herbalife Program 
   provides approximately four pints of liquid and 25 grams of 
   fiber.  This is more than is found in the average diet of 
   industrialized countries and is the level recommended by health 
   authorities world-wide.  Supplemental fiber tablets are available 
   for those who wish to further increase their daily fiber intake.

16. Is The Herbalife Program Recommended By Doctors?

   Absolutely.  Herbalife has a Medical and Scientific Advisory 
   Board that tests and researches Herbalife products and 
   continually monitors reports of results sent by customers and 
   distributors.  In addition, many physicians and other 
   professionals in all parts of the world use Herbalife both in 
   their personal lives and in their practices.

    Herbalife used to contain laxatives.  Do they still? (natural or other)
    
    What EXACTLY is in it?
    
    I've got a bad taste in my mouth after a girl selling the stuff at work
    tried to cram it down our throats, and suggested to one of the elderly
    men to stop taking his heart medication because "all you need is Herbalife!"
    
    I'm not putting you in this catagory, but it seems like herbalife is
    just a natural laxative, ie just another diet pill.
    
    
    dlh
    

                       
    Re.2
    
    I'll reply in detail tomorrow to your note, however can you tell me 
    what laxatives used to be in the products?  And did you experience 
    these kinds of problems when using the products in the past?
    
    I am wondering, because since beginning the program (using the main 
    products from both the Cellular Nutrition and Thermojetic product 
    lines), I have not experienced any laxative (or diuretic) effects.
    
    Cindy

    
    Re.2 (cont'd)   

    >I've got a bad taste in my mouth after a girl selling the stuff at work
    >tried to cram it down our throats, and suggested to one of the elderly
    >men to stop taking his heart medication because "all you need is 
    >Herbalife!"

    I wasn't present during these conversations, so I can't tell you if she
    violated the following rules, however just so you know, Herbalife has
    formal distributor rules to follow.  Given what you wrote, that person 
    may be in violation of two of the rules of conduct.

    In the Distributor's Handbook for Herbalife products, there are 
    thirteen rules of conduct that distributors must follow, and there
    is also an enforcement procedure that deals with any violations of
    the rules of conduct that may occur.  

    Included are the following rules:


    Rule 6. Undesirable Selling Practices
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    An Herbalife Distributor shall not engage in high-pressure selling,
    but shall always conduct himself [or herself] in a courteous and
    considerate manner.  
    
    All presentations of Herbalife products must be complete and truthful 
    including, but not limited to, instructions on the usage directions 
    and precautions included on the product label and any accompanying 
    literature. 


    Rule 11. Medical Claims
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    No Distributor shall make any medical claims for any Herbalife product.
    If a customer is under a physician's care, it is advisable that the 
    Distributor recommend to the customer that he consult with his
    physician before undertaking any changes in his diet, particularly if
    a chronic disorder is involved.  Persons with heart, liver, or kidney
    disorders or are under current medical treatment, should always be
    urged to seek the advice of their physician before changing their diets.

                                  
    Two other rules of conduct that may also be of interest:
    
    Rule 3. Customer Complaints
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    A Distributor shall promptly and courteously investigate any customer
    complaint and shall take such steps as may be appropriate and necessary
    under the circumstances to see that any wrongs are corrected as quickly
    as possible.
    
    Rule 4. Refund Policy
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    A Distributor shall honor the Herbalife refund policy by offering the
    customer, whenever the circumstances warrant, a full refund, exchange for
    a like product, or full credit for exchange with another Herbalife
    item, as the customer decides.
                   

    
    My brother was a distributor for Herbalife and gave me a tub of Vanilla
    flavour shake and a bottle of vitamins.
    
    I tried it for a week and lost 3lbs and the shake was really delicious
    but it would have been too easy to drink more than two a day ! After
    the first week I decided to stop using it and go on a 'Food Combining'
    diet (as mentioned in a previous note) and lost 14lbs in a month
    without ever feeling hungry. 
    
    In my opinion the Herbalife diet, along with Slim Fast and the Nestle
    equivalent, are fine for people who don't have time to work out a
    balanced calorie-controlled diet but in the long run we all need to
    know which foods are high in calories so that we can avoid them or, at
    least, lower our intake of them. 
    
    Trevor

    I just remember that it was a "natural" laxative.  Its been at least
    seven years.  And yes, diareha (?) was a problem with this product, at
    least for me.  
    
    
    dlh

    
    Re.7
    
    Do you remember which product(s) you were using?
    
    There are many Herbalife products - it's just not one product by
    itself.  The two main Herbalife product lines are:  Cellular Nutrition 
    and Thermojetics.
                                                  
    The main products in the Cellular Nutrition line are:  
    
      	Formula 1 - powdered meal replacement (shake)
    	Formula 2 - multivitamin, multimineral and herbal tablet
    	Formula 3 - micronutrient and herbal capsule
    
    The main products in the Thermojetics line are:
    
    	Thermojetics Green and Beige tablets
    	Thermojetics Yellow 
    	ThermoBond
    	
    I believe the Thermojetics line is less than 7 years old, so what 
    you were taking probably was not a Thermojetics product.
    
    Cindy

    
    Re.6
    
    Trevor,
    
    There are now food guides (energy guides) that are available for the 
    Herbalife products.  The summary guide catagorizes foods in three
    categories:  Anytime, Sometimes, and Never.  For those who are 
    interested in more details, there is an advanced energy guide available.
    
    One difference that most people notice about Herbalife is that when the
    body receives its proper supply of nutrients, the 'craving' for certain
    junk foods is reduced.  Also, according to the Herbalife science board, 
    the Formula 3 - Cell Activator, works to heal the villi in the intestine 
    so that nutrients we take in can be more readily and correctly absorbed. 
    
    A good friend of mine, and recovering alcoholic, who is just using the 
    Formula 2 and 3 vitamins/minerals/herbs told me after one week that he 
    noticed a definite reduction in his cravings for fatty and sweet foods.  
    Also my friend and supervisor who has lost 44 pounds so far - she used to 
    eat a bag of popcorn every afternoon because she craved it, and now the
    craving is gone.                                             
    
    Cindy

    
    Re. note 797.1
    
    >I think Thermagetics is the Amway version of the Herbalife stuff.
    
    All Herbalife products (Cellular Nutrition and Thermojetics) are sold 
    through multi-level marketing channels verses direct retail, so in that 
    way is similar to the Amway model (and Tupperware, Mary Kay, and so on).
    
    Note - there is a product out that I have seen called 'Thermagetics'
    or 'Thermogenics' that is *not* Herbalife Thermojetics.  It lists 
    'aspirin' as one of its ingredients.  Herbalife Thermojetics tablets
    green and beige tablets contain only herbs. 
    
                                                                           
    >If so, I tried it awhile back. And while I did have quite a bit more
    >energy, one of the tablets sort of sped up my system -- fast heart
    >rate, headaches, sleeplesness, etc. I quit taking it because at the
    >time I had high blood pressure and didn't want to take any chances. The
    >lady who sold it to me, though, swears by it. (I swear _at_ it.)
    
    The Thermojetics Green and Beige tablets have cautions on their labels
    that these products should not be used by people with high blood
    pressure, cardiovascular disease, or pregnant or lactating women. 
    Also on the label it states to use these tablets at mid-morning and
    at mid-afternoon. (10am and 3-4pm)  The recommended dosage is 1-3 green
    tablets and 1 beige tablet.
    
    It is recommended that the green and beige tablets be used together to 
    provide the energy balance.  If you feel too much of an energy burst, 
    then take an additional beige tablet to offset the excess energy.
    
    
    >I guess the desperation in me at times outweighs the sensibleness of
    >just changing my behavior and attitudes toward food, so I'll usually
    >try anything, only to give up or be disappointed pretty quickly.
    
    That is unfortunate.  
    
    Cindy

    how does a product which acts as a a meal replacement, and permits "any
    meal of your choice" once a day teach people the good eating habits
    they will need to maintain their weight loss?!?  A "habit" is learned
    by *doing*, not reading or hearing.  I think drinking 2 meals a day is
    not a healthy habit to learn.
    
    As far as I can tell, nothing separates Herballife  from every other
    DIET.  And diets don't work, because they don't address the reason why
    people gained weight in the first place.  Diets, ALL of them, have a
    95% failure rate -- success isn't measured by how much weight is lost,
    but how much is kept off for a long time.
    
    I see people claim that the benefit of programs like these is that
    people who don't have time to learn to cook healthy, lowfat meals will
    be able to use this "shortcut".  Why would someone who doesn't have
    time to learn eat right now have more time later?
    
    Diana

                                            
    Re.11    
    
    Diana,
    
    >As far as I can tell, nothing separates Herballife  from every other
    >DIET.  
    
    Can you provide some additional information on this?  If you've done 
    some detailed product comparisons with what you would consider to be 
    competitive products, I'd be interesting in hearing about your findings.  
    You can be as specific as you like as I've been reading and studying 
    about vitamins, minerals, and herbs (and also taking various combinations 
    of these items) for about 9 years now.
    
    Or, if you've had a negative experience with Herbalife products, I'd
    like to hear about that too.
    
    Cindy

    Crossposted with permission from the author.  Tatyana is my 3rd level
    supervisor.

    Cindy    
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CADSYS::VINNIKOVA                                    43 lines  29-NOV-1993 14:48
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Hi everyone,

my name is Tatyana Vinnikova, and I am leaving Digital on December 31, 1993. 
This is very exciting for me because in the middle of my life, I am changing
my career from working as mathematician and computer programmer for more than
21 years, to giving a full chance to my new business as an Independent 
Herbalife Distributor.  

Herbalife is a 14 year old MLM company reaching for its $1.0B in sales this 
year. The company more than doubled its sales during last 3 years, despite 
a deep recession in America and Europe.

I started as a client a year ago. I lost 27 lbs. in 10 weeks and I kept it 
off!  First month in business I made $568.00.  That was so easy, everybody 
wanted to feel good and lose or gain some weight.  I saw the financial 
opportunity immediately and worked very hard to make it work for me.   

I succeeded to build business part-time during one year, which brings me now
around $5,000 a month.  It still less than I make at Digital, but guess what 
is going to happen to me if I do it full-time?  

One of the most important aspects is excellent product, which provides
preventive nutrition for everybody.  It works!  Otherwise company sales 
wouldn't be growing so fast during those hard times.  And I see a lot of 
people, grateful to me, for their health benefits and financial opportunity.

I am a Yoga teacher, and I am interested in helping people to reduce stress
in a natural way.  I taught Yoga for two and a half years three times a week 
at Digital as a volunteer.  

I do my Herbalife business in more than 7 countries, and this is incredible 
fun.  Company train you at your own home, in your own language in 17 countries 
in the world by teleconferences network.  I am going to Russia in December 
for 10 days.  This is my first visit since I left Russia 15 years ago!

I've read Steve Ehlers 85.0 note and was very happy for him!  I know the
feeling, and I want to share my story with those who are looking for financial
opportunity in another field, or want to improve health in a natural way.  
Your future is just beginning.  It's up to you to make it work for you.  


Jai Bhagwan!   Light with you!  Tatyana Vinnikova


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CADSYS::VINNIKOVA                                    79 lines  30-DEC-1993 15:11
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Hi everybody,

thank you so much for all your warm words and good luck wishes!

I wish you all a very Happy New Year!

My trip to Russia was great!  

I enjoyed working here, and knowing you all.  I am on my way to new life, new 
career and I look forward to it.

Here is my generic letter with information about my business and what I am
doing.  You'll understand the root of my excitement.  This business grew out 
of a part-time business into a full-time during last year.  It expanded so 
much that I have to quit my main job.  It's not a bad results for a year in 
a new field!


My dear friend, 					December 30 1993

I'd like to share my story with everyone who is interested in a subject to 
get a good health or to lose weight.   

From my childhood I was overweight.  I had a duodenal ulcer, and gallstones, 
and last few years I started to experience some joint pains.  All those 
problems are related to nutrition.  I was looking for a natural diet, which 
would fit into my life, and help me to become healthy.  

Eleven month ago my friend told my about Herbalife products for health and
weight management.  I was amazed how he changed in a month using those food
supplements, which are made from natural herbs.  He lost 24 lbs., his blood 
pressure decreased to normal, his cholesterol dropped from 346 to 214, and he 
was a different man. I tried the weight reduction program.  In first 10 days 
I lost 9 lbs. which I accumulated during last two years.  In 10 weeks I lost 
27 lbs.  It was no fight, it was really easy.  But the best thing is that all 
my stomach discomforts are gone, my joints are fine.  My concentration is high 
and even during the day.  I forgot a sleepy time after lunch.  I need only 
5-6 hours of sleep a day, and I function very actively, accomplishing lots of 
things during a day.

All those great changes in my health were results from a Cellular Nutrition 
Program and Thermojetics.  The Cellular Nutrition Program is what it sounds.  
I feel that my body does not crave anything, and I do not need to overeat to 
get this mysterious something that was missing from food.  I used to like a lot 
sweets and pastry, it does not tempt me now very much.  Every cell is getting 
what it needs to help my immune system to do its magic of rejuvenation.  

I am a yoga teacher and studied a lot about exercises and nutrition.  I found
that Herbalife products changed my nutrition and health for the best.

My husband had an ulcer problem for more than 30 years, no drugs did a 
permanent relief.  He started Digestive system program with the Cellular 
Nutrition.  His stomach pain was gone in three days, he lost 15 lbs. and 
his weight at 55 is the same as it was when he was 18.

My mom wanted to lose 15 lbs.  It was the first diet in her life!  She forgot 
about the arthritis in her hands, she lost 15 lbs. without any fight in two 
months, and what was more important, in a half a year she stopped taking 
sleeping pills, after more than 18 years using them every night!

As you guess now, I am in love with Herbalife products, and it has become my 
new business, making a very good combination with teaching yoga.

I am leaving Digital to start a new career.      

If you want to know more about Herbalife products or business, call me at 
(617) 449-2396, or write me at:
Tatyana Vinnikova
529 Greendale Ave. 
Needham, MA 02192

I am Tatyana Vinnikova an independent Herbalife distributor.  I will be
privileged to serve you.  Thank you very much.

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    >Can you provide some additional information on this? 
    
    you did it for me in your notes.  i read what you said and as far as i
    can tell, herballife is still a *diet*.  
    
    D!

    
    OK - I thought perhaps you were familiar with Herbalife, including the
    literature and also using the products for some time.
    
    My view of Herbalife is that it is a system of nutritional products
    that can be used in many different ways, and one of those ways is for
    weight management (losing, gaining, or maintaining.)
    
    What is your definition of 'diet'?
    
    Cindy

    That was my impression, too, for the plan that requires a drink as a
    substitute for a meal. I think it has been beaten to death in this file
    that any food plan that doesn't include food education, but merely
    substitutes for food, isn't a food plan, but a diet. And the general
    impression is that diets don't work because the implanting of the idea
    of correct eating doesn't happen and can't be sustained. It might work
    for a short time for weight loss, but not for weight management. Human
    nature takes over eventually.
    
    My advice is it's best not to tread on this one again!
    
    Amy

    >    What is your definition of 'diet'?
    
    a prescribed system of eating that provides for temporary changes in
    eating designed to promote weight loss.
    
    Beyond that I will take Amy's advice and not rehash the diet argument;
    I think people who want quick fixes will continue to seek out diet
    after diet, and nothing I can say will convince them that the answer is
    a permanent change in lifestyle, including eating, and addressing the
    issues which caused one to eat in the first place.
    
    D!, veteran of many, many diets

    
    Re.16
    
    >that any food plan that doesn't include food education, but merely
    >substitutes for food, isn't a food plan, but a diet.
    
    Thanks for the clarification, Amy.  I'm new at this, and did not
    realize this was a 'hot issue'.
    
    I'm glad to say that Herbalife does provide guides for food education.
    This was mentioned briefly in .1, item number 13.  There is an Energy
    Guide which lists foods in 3 different categories:  Anytime, Sometimes,
    and Rarely (or Never).  There is also an Advanced Energy Guide which
    provides a great deal of specific information on various types of
    foods.
    
    What is interesting in my situation is that I started using Herbalife
    products for nutrition only, since I didn't really need to lose weight. 
    Yes, I have the slight excess weight in the hips and thighs area, but
    even after many years of taking vitamins, minerals, herbs, spending
    weeks at a time at a yoga center eating low fat vegetarian diets and
    doing yoga and aerobics several times a day, along preparing good meals 
    for myself at home, and doing exercises every night, and generally
    leading a ridiculously healthy lifestyle all around (no alcohol, very
    little sugar, etc.), still my weight has remained constant at 143.5
    pounds for the last 4-5 years or so.
    
    Two months ago when I started taking Herbalife Thermojetics, I felt a
    small energy increase.  Then I added the Formula 1 (shake), Formula 2
    and Formula 3 tablets.  I did not replace a meal with the shake...
    instead I *added* it to my (um) diet as a late afternoon snack when I
    usually do not have anything.
    
    And the most amazing thing was - in that first week, I actually *LOST* 
    3.5 pounds.  Now, it's not supposed to work like that, because adding a
    shake is to gain weight.  But apparently whatever my body was lacking
    was provided in the ingredients, and the weight just melted away.  Now
    I'm down 5 pounds total and staying steady.   
    
    Cindy

            
    Something I found out last night:
    
    Herbalife provides a phone number for their Scientific Board headed by
    Dr. David Katzin, M.D., cardiologist and Ph.D. from UCLA, which your
    doctor can call for information.  It works like this...  
    
    If you have a specific medical condition and would like to try Herbalife 
    products to help alleviate it (diabetes, asthma, heart, or any condition 
    especially which is chronic, etc.), you can give your medical doctor this 
    Herbalife phone number to call, and the doctors at Herbalife will work 
    with your doctor to provide specific information on how to take the 
    products for maximum effects. 
    
    I have not yet used it via my doctor, so I cannot provide a firsthand
    experience.  Also, it is my understanding that distributors are not
    able to use this number because distributors are not allowed to give
    medical advice to clients.  Having said that, if you would like to try
    to work with your doctor and Herbalife in this way, contact me directly 
    for the phone number.
    
    Cindy

            
    Interesting note on Chromium.  The Herbalife products with chromium 
    in them use the GTF version.
    
    This posted with permission from the author.
    
    Cindy
    
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DWOVAX::STARK "Todd I. Stark"                        35 lines  18-MAR-1994 17:32
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    In case this is useful, here are some miscellaneous tidbits that
    might be pertinent to someone who feels they need to take chromium ...
    
    Chromium is one of the less toxic minerals, so you are probably
    relatively safe in experimenting with it in reasonable amounts
    (like 50 to 200 uG).  Most people get about 30 of that from 
    food, which is marginally adequate.  The 200 uG is approximately
    the amount used to treat suspected deficiencies therapeutically
    (or about 10 g of yeast).
    
    Chromium is used to form glucose tolerance factor (GTF).  GTF is 
    made up of chromium, nicinamide, glycine, cysteine, and glutamic.  
    We only need the chromium and the niacin from our food intake, the 
    rest is formed by the body.  However, the GTF form has the advantage 
    of improved absorption (about 20% for GTF, vs. 1% or 2 % in chromium 
    chelates or chromium picolinate).
    
    Foods already containing GTF include liver, brewers yeast, and black 
    pepper.  
    
    Our chromium levels tend to drop very significantly with age.
    
    You could in principle find out your chromium level by either getting 
    a red blood cell chromium test (a research test primarily) or a hair 
    analysis, but most clinical labs don't do the RBC chromium routinely, 
    and most of the unregulated labs that do hair and nail analysis are 
    less reliable.
    
    If you suspect a chromium deficiency, you could reliably verify it by
    having a glucose tolerance test done before and after taking chromium.  
    
						kind regards,
    
    						todd 

    
    It looks like I may be 'outsourced' along with several other of my
    fellow technical writers starting January 1, so here is my external
    contact information should I suddenly disappear from the net:
    
    	Cindy Painter
    	427-3 Amherst St. Ste.421
    	Nashua, NH 03063 USA
    	Tel: (603) 888-8559
    	CompuServe from here:  US1RMC::"75273.1360@compuserve.com"
    
    Cindy

    I was using the prducts about 2 years ago, and lost about 30lbs, I
    loved the program, I felt great, my skin improved, my energy improved,
    my whole life changed...I have since regained the weight (due to poor
    eating habits, emotional eating etc etc).I have tried to use the
    herbalife products since the first time I used them, and no matter what
    I try, I can't stomach them. I can't swallow the vitamins, I can't even
    smell the shake without wanting to throw up...any suggestions?
    
	
    	Thanks.
    
    	Annie.
    

    
    Annie,
    
    Which products were you taking the first time?  Also, how long were you
    on the program (the 2 shakes per day), and did you just stop taking the
    products completely once you lost the 30 lbs., or did you cut back 
    gradually? 
    
    Cindy

    
    Hi,
    
    	I was using the Diet Disc formula 1-6 plus I used the aloe Vera
    juice on and off for a couple of months. I was on 2 shakes per day for
    about 6-8 months. I cut back the program for a couple of weeks after
    losing the weight, then due to emotional reasons I stopped it
    completely. I don't know why it would suddenly make me feel nausea at
    the thought of it, becuase that wasn't the reason I stopped it. 
    (I have also sent you some to your other address)...
    
    					thanks!
    	
    					Annie
    

                                                             
    Annie,
    
    Hm...I'm wondering - did you try the products again and feel sick from
    them, or are you feeling sick by just _thinking_ about the possibility
    of taking the products? 
    
    I can suggest some novel ways of preparing the shakes differently to
    make them more unique and interesting than just mixing them with milk 
    alone. You can use fruits, different juices...etc.  However if the
    reaction is from your thoughts alone, then I'm not really sure what I 
    can recommend to change that.  If it is a reaction to your thoughts, 
    then it isn't the Herbalife products _themselves_ that are making you 
    sick.  
    
    About the Thermojetics line - since you live in Australia, the products
    are slightly different there, both for marketing reasons and because
    the newer products take time to get approved by the gov't regulatory
    bodies of the various countries.  So let me try to find out what is
    currently being sold in Australia from the Thermojetics line.  I'm
    fairly certain that the Thermo green/beige herbal set is not yet there,
    however the Thermojetics Beverage may be.  While it's best to take both
    the Cellular Nutrition and the Thermojetics lines together for maximum
    effect, you can also use products in the lines separately.  Given your
    situation, this may be a good alternative for you right now, rather than 
    the Cellular Nutrition (DietDisc) line (the shakes and vitamins). 
    
    We can work on this offline, then see if we can figure out the best
    alternatives for you to consider.  
    
    Meanwhile, do let me know here whether you're having problems with the
    products themselves, or just by thinking about them only.
    
    Cindy

Cindy,

	The second time I tried the products, I felt sick at the thought, and
also actually using them. I could not swallow the shake, and the pills just
kept repeating on me and it left an awful taste in my mouth all day. Maybe is
is all in my mind, but I would like to find a solution

I have been to some of the Distributor meetings, as I was distributing the
products when I first got into it, but lost all motivation and interest.
I have tried the shake in yohghurt, juice, milk, tea, everything I could think
of, but you can't get rid of the taste!!!...I just don't know if I should spend
the money on trying it again..

Annie
    

                                                                        
    Annie,
    
    I should have the updated product list for Australia within the next 
    two days and will see what they are offering from the Thermojetics 
    line there.  Since it's so different from the Cellular Nutrition line, 
    it may help your particular situation.
    
    There is a 30-day unconditional moneyback guarantee on all Herbalife
    products, and I believe this is worldwide (though as a former
    distributor there, correct me if this is not the case for Australia).  
    You just need to return the unused portion to your distributor within 
    the 30 days and ask for a full refund.
    
    Cindy

Well, after much deliberation I decided to try using the herbalife products
again. I am surprised at how easy it all is to get back into. I have been on
the program for about 10 days now and have lost about 4 kg. This is beginning
to slow down. I feel so much more energetic. I have less frequent mood swings
and my whole appetite/food anxiety has been balanced. I don't have cravings for
any chocolate, and I haven't had any junk food since I started on the program.
I have also lost some cm's around my waist and hips. I haven't seen much of a
change in my clothes yet, as I was growing out of my clothes before I decided
to lose weight. I haven't done much exercise as I have been working night shift
and I don't see much daylight. It has also been raining. I feel positive that I
can get the weight off and maintain it this time. I do feel slightly nauseous
but I am assured that it comes from my body eliminating all the crap I've been
feeding it for years. The last time I tried the program, I felt sick when
trying to swallow the shake and vitamins, but this hasn't really bothered me
this time. I suspect it was all a mental block. My skin looks so good, no
blemishes and it's soft and smooth again.

    

    Re.28                            
    
    That's great news, Annie - congratulations!
    
    Thanks for the reminder too...I should have remembered to mention that 
    on occasion when initially beginning the program, it is possible to 
    experience some unpleasant side-effects such as nausea, etc.  Unless 
    you are actually allergic to some of the ingredients (which are clearly 
    labeled on each container), these side-effects are generally not due to 
    the Herbalife products themselves.  Rather they are the result of the 
    detoxification of the body itself.  This is a good thing actually, 
    though on the surface it may not appear to be especially while you are 
    going through the experience.    
      
    Cindy

                      
Here are the ingredients for the Herbalife Formula 1,2, and 3 products.

The Formula 1 shake powder mix comes in 4 flavors: French Vanilla, Dutch 
Chocolate, Wild Berry, and Tropical Fruit.  I've listed the in French 
Vanilla ingredients below.

Prices are:  Formula 1 - Protein Drink Mix - $20.00
             Formula 2 - Multivitamin/Mineral/Herb - $19.50
             Formula 3 - Cell Activator - $19.95

These products last approximately 30 days.

If anyone is using similar products, I'd be interested in seeing an
ingredients and prices comparison.

Cindy

Attachment:
===============================================================================
Herbalife Product:  Cellular Nutrition - Formula 1, French Vanilla Shake Powder
===============================================================================

Serving Size - 2 Tablespoons (25 g)
Servings Per Container - 22

Amount Per Serving	Powder	Powder w/8fl. oz. nonfat milk
------------------	------	-----------------------------
Calories		  90	  180
   Calories from Fat	   5	   10

                        % Daily Value **
Total Fat - 0.5 g *	   1%	   2%
   Saturated Fat 0 g	   0%	   0%
Cholesterol less than 5mg  1%	   2%
Sodium - 75 mg		   3%	   8%
Potassium - 210 mg	   6%	  18%
Total Carbohydrate - 13 g  4%	   8%
   Dietary Fiber - 3 g 	  12%	  12%
   Sugars - 10 g	  
Protein - 8 g	 	  16%	  32%
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vitamin A		  25%	  35%
Vitamin C		  25%	  30%
Calcium			  10%	  40%
Iron			  25%	  25%
Vitamin D		  25%	  50%
Vitamin E		  25%	  25%
Thiamin			  25%	  30%
Riboflavin		  25%	  40%
Niacin			  25%	  25%
Vitamin B6		  25%	  30%
Folate			   0%	   4%
Vitamin B12		  25%	  40%
Biotin			  25%	  25%
Pantothenic Acid	  25%	  35%
Phosphorus		  10%	  35%
Magnesium		  10%	  20%
Zinc			  25%	  30%
Copper			  25%	  25%
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Amount in Powder.  One cup Vitamin A & D fortified nonfat milk
  contributes an additional 90 calories, 5 calories from fat, 0.4 g fat, 
  0.3 g saturated fat, 4 mg cholesterol, 126 mg sodium, 406 mg 
  potassium, 12 g total carbohydrate (12 g sugars), and 8 g protein.

** Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.  Your daily 
   values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
		
			Calories	2,000		2,500
	 	  	--------	-----		-----
   Total Fat		Less than	 65 g		 80 g
    Sat. Fat		Less Than	 20 g		 25 g
   Cholesterol		Less Than      300 mg 	       300 mg
   Sodium		Less Than    2,400 mg	     2,400 mg
   Potassium			     3,500 mg	     3,500 mg
   Total Carbohydrate  		        300 g	 	375 g
    Dietary Fiber			 25 g		 30 g
   Protein				 50 g		 65 g

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ingredients:  Fructose, isolated soy protein, calcium caseinate, casein,
              corn bran fiber, powdered cellulose, natural and artificial 
              flavors, guar gum, potassium chloride, canola oil, carrageenan, 
              soy lecithin, oat fiber, dicalcium phosphate, dl-methionine, 
              magnesium oxide, citrus pectin, psyllium husk, honey powder, 
              ascorbic acid, vitamin E acetate, ferrous fumarate, dandelion 
              root, parsley, papaya, niacinamide, zinc oxide, copper 
              gluconate, vitamin A palmitate, calcium pantothenate, papain, 
              bromelain, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamin mononitrate, 
              riboflavin, vitamin D3, biotin and cyanocobalamin.

Directions:  Simply blend or stir 2 tablespoons of Formula 1 drink mix 
             with 8 fl. oz. of nonfat milk, water, or your favorite beverage 
             until smooth.

For Optimum Nutritional Health:  It is recommended to replace one meal 
                                 daily with a delicious Formula 1 shake.

To Lose Weight:  It is recommended to replace two meals per day with a 
                 delicious Formula 1 shake and eat one well balanced meal.  
                 (Follow the guidelines in the Herbalife Cellular Nutrition 
                 System Guide.)

Protein Value Scoring:  Our exclusive Nutritional Protein Drink Mix is a 
                        protein blend free of meat, wheat, yeast, milk 
                        lactalbumin and whey.  Our Protein Digestibility 
                        Amino Acid Score is 1.0 which is the highest 
                        score for labeling protein quality.  This is the 
                        U.S. Givernment's new reference standard for 
                        evaluating protein quality.  Because of its higher 
                        protein quality, Formula 1 contributes more usable 
                        protein per measure than products which fail to meet 
                        this reference standard.

Exclusive Formulation:  Our Nutritional Protein Drink Mix is specially 
                        formulated for optimum nutritional health.  It 
                        provides the dietary amino acids important for good 
                        health, including the eight essential amino acids 
                        which the body cannot produce on its own.  In 
                        addition, it contains carbohydrates for quick energy, 
                        19 vitamins and minerals, including the antioxidant 
                        vitamins A, C, and E, herbs, and less than 1 gram of 
                        fat per serving.  It is low fat and a source of 
                        dietary fiber.

Notice:  It is always advisable when using this product or any other weight 
         control program to consult a physician especially for children, 
         pregnant or lactating women, people with chronic kidney problems 
         or insulin-dependent diabetics.


===============================================================================
Herbalife Product:  Cellular Nutrition - Formula 2, Multivitamin/minerals/herbs
===============================================================================

Recommended Use:  2 Tablets three times a day with meals.
Maximum Results:  Use this product in conjunction with other Herbalife products
and follow the suggested Herbalife Cellular Nutrition System Guide.

Each Six Tablets Provide:

Vitamins				  Amount	% U.S. RDA*
--------                  		  ------	-----------
Vit. A (Palmitate & Beta Carotene	5000 I.U.	    100
Vit. D (Cholecalciferol)		 400 I.U.	    100
Vit. B-1 (Thiamine HCL)			   25 mg.	   1667
Vit. B-2 (Riboflavin)			   25 mg.	   1470
Vit. B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL & 		   50 mg. 	   2500
           Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate)	
Vit. B-12 (Cobalamin Concentrate)	  10 mcg. 	    167
Niacinamide 				  160 mg.	    800
Pantothenic Acid			   20 mg. 	    200
Vit. C (Ascorbic Acid)			  200 mg.	    333
Vit. E (DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate)	  30 I.U.	    100
Folic Acid 				 400 mcg.	    100
Biotin					 150 mcg.	     50

Minerals				  Amount	% U.S. RDA*
--------                  		  ------	-----------
Calcium					  750 mg.	     75
Magnesium				  300 mg.	     75
Phosphorus				  150 mg.	     15
Potassium				   99 mg.	     **
Iron					 13.5 mg.	     75
Zinc					   15 mg.	    100
Copper					  1.5 mg.	     75
Iodine					 225 mcg.	    150
Manganese				    5 mg.	     **
Chromium GTF				 100 mcg.	     **
Selenium				 50 mcg.	     **

IN A BASE OF HERBS:  Black Sesame Seed, Mung Bean, Odorless Garlic,
Chickweed, Ginger, Couch Grass, Gotu Kola, Echinacia, Fennel Seed, Black 
Walnut, and Hawthorn Berry.

BIOFLAVINOIDS:  Rutin, Rosehips, Hesperidin Complex.

OTHERS:  Para-Aminobenzoic Acid and Betaine HCL.

   * Percentage of the U.S. Recommended Daily Allowance for adults and
     children 4 or more years of age
  ** U.S. RDA not established.
 *** ChromeMate (tm) is the brand name for niacin-bound GTF Chromium and
     is a trademark of the Interhealth Company.




==================================================================
Herbalife Product:  Cellular Nutrition - Formula 3, Cell Activator
==================================================================

Recommended Use:  Take one to three capsules three times a day for
                  dietary supplementation.

Maximum Results:  Use this product in conjunction with other Herbalife 
		  products and follow the suggested Herbalife Cellular
		  Nutrition System Guide.

Description:  Cell Activator is an exceptionally powerful formula 
              supplying the body with Krebs Cycle factors, 
              micronutrients, special trace elements, and a combination
              of 12 health building botanical factors.  This remarkable
              formula helps enhance vitality and good health - "Cellular
              Bioradiance."  Used daily, Cell Activator can contribute
              to your well-being.

Each three capsules of Cell Activator supply:

KREBS CYCLE FACTORS -- 750 mg.
------------------------------
Potassium/Magnesium Aspartates.

TRACE ELEMENTS -- 16.219 mg.
----------------------------
Silica, Boron, Molybdenum and Vanadium.

MICRONUTRIENT FACTORS -- 128 mg.
--------------------------------
Gamma Oryzanol, L-Glutamine, Chlorophyll and Pycnogenol.

BOTANICAL FACTOR BASE -- 533 mg.
--------------------------------
Eleutherococcus Senticosis, Astragalus Membranaceous, Similax Ornata, 
Ginkgo Biloba, Fo-Ti, Shiitake Mushroom, Bupleurum, Capsicum, Chinese
Cruciferous Concentrate, Ligustrum Lucidum, Silybum Marianum, and 
Rehmannia Glutinosa.

    Hello,
    
    	Well, I posted a couple of notes in here about 2-3 months ago,
    debating whether or not to begin the Herbalife program. 
    	I am one week into my third month on the products. Australia has a 
    different program to America, due to the different health regulations, 
    but the results are the same I'm sure. 
    I have been using the products for 9-10 weeks, and I have lost 10kg in 
    total. My health has improved tremendously. I am a shiftworker and have 
    problems with tiredness, fatigue and depression due to lack of sleep...
    and from what I've found, also due to poor nutrition. I have decreased at 
    least by half, my "sad days" , as I call them, and feel much more 
    energetic and able to cope with daily demands of life. 
        I have not been strict, I have still eaten Pizza and Chocolate, but
    I have automatically decreased the amount and frequency of these kind
    of binges. I don't have cravings as often, I don't eat as much, and all
    my clothes are starting to fit again. 
    	I don't really understand what percentages are what with the
    program, but I do know that I am giving myself a head start with
    building better nutrition and a healthier lifestyle.
    
    	Just thought I'd comment on what I have experienced through Herbalife.
    
    			Annie.
    
    
    	

    Annie,
    
    Sounds like you are doing great!!!  I remember your notes from before
    and you were so unsure.  Sounds like you made the right decision.
    Are you substituting 2 meals a day with the drink, or are you eating
    regular foods plus the supplements like Cindy did?
    
    RS

    Hello!,
    
    	 As I said before, the program is different in Australia from what
    I understand. I am replacing 2 meals a day at the moment, because my
    aim is to lose weight, not just maintain optimum health. I tend to
    cheat a bit though...
    
    annie.
    
    

                                      
    Annie,
    
    Congratulations!  (;^)  That's great news!
    
    I managed to get an older copy of the products listing from Australia,
    so I'm wondering - which products are you using there?  It's possible
    that new products are being introduced so quickly that my list may be 
    outdated by now.  Do you have (and are you using) the Formula 3 Cell
    Activator?
    
    I don't think the Thermojetics Green and Beige tablets are there yet
    (due to marketing timing and also time it takes to get approval for new
    products in various countries).  You should have the Thermojetics Herbal 
    Beverage by now though.
    
    Cindy
    
    PS. I've just started using the new Dermajetics Skin Care Survival kit 
        the products are incredible!  

    Hello!,
    
    	Well, I have the formula 1 shake, formula 2 (B6), Formula 3
    (multivitamin & minerals), formula 4 (safflower oil capsules), formula
    5 (Vit C), and Formula 6 (Fibrebond), NRG (Natures Raw Guarana) and the
    Thermojetics tea. We don't have the thermo tablets, although I think
    they would be better than the tea, because I don't think the tea tastes
    all that good...not revolting, but not that good either. 
    		Apparently the Dermajetics are being released here this
    weekend?..I'm not sure. The Distributor I am buying the products from
    is hosting a marketing seminar via sattelite with Mark Hughs this
    weekend. Unfortunately, I can't get there. 
    		Nevertheless, my skin is another advertisement for these
    products. I forgot how many different improvements I discovered the
    first time I used the products.
    
    Annie.
    
    

    Thanks, Annie - that's interesting!  Here's are the comparisons as I 
    understand them (though you might also check your ingredients with
    the ones I posted in .30):

      -  Formula 1 is the same (or close to).  

      -  Our Formula 2 matches your Formula 3, and you don't have 
         our Formula 3 Cell Activator (yet...Europe doesn't have it
         either).  

      -  We don't have your equivalent of Formula 2 or Formula 4,
         however the B6 and C may be included in our Formula 2 already. 

      -  Formula 6 (Fibrebond) is probably either our Activated Fiber,
         or ThermoBond, or a combination of the two.  

      -  We have NRG too, along with an NRG tea in addition to the 
         Thermojetics tea.  I like the flavor of both, myself.

    One goal that the company has, I believe, is to eventually make the 
    products in all countries the same, which would make things a lot 
    easier.  It will take some time though.

    I'm sure you'll really like the Dermajetics products.  Last week the 
    Senior VP of the new division, Janet Levine, was in Boston and gave 
    us an in-depth presentation.  She said that the hypoallergenic 
    allowance for reactions in the market is 5%, and Dermajetics comes in
    at .03%.  I'll post more information when time allows.

    Yes, there is a worldwide satellite broadcast scheduled for this
    Saturday - 3.5 hours of intensive training with Mark Hughes and
    many of the top people.  Our receiving site is in Cambridge, Mass.,
    and I'm planning on attending.  Should be great!  

    Latest stats:  Herbalife is now the 6th fastest growing company in 
    the world, publicly-held, with revenues of $900 million (USD) in 1994, 
    (up from $700,000 in 1993), and 750,000 distributors in 24 countries.  

    Cindy  

The Herbalife Beginning
-----------------------
The mother of Mark Hughes, president and founder of Herbalife, became
addicted to prescription diet pills while trying to lose weight for many
years, and when Mark was 18 years old, she died of an accidental overdose.

Since that time, Mark has been researching ways to help people improve
their health through good nutrition and to safely lose, gain and maintain
weight safely and effectively.


Herbalife International
-----------------------
After several years of research and development, Mark launched Herbalife 
15 years ago, in February 1980.  Sales that first month were $23,000, and 
at the end of the year, sales totaled $2 million.  At the end of 1993,
sales were $700 million, and at the end of 1994, sales grew to $900 
million.  Herbalife is now the 6th fastest growing company in the world.

Herbalife is based in Los Angeles, California, and now has over 750,000
independent distributors in 24 countries.  Herbalife is a publicly-held
company traded on the NASDAQ stock exchange, and is a member of the 
Direct Selling Association (DSA).  In 1994, Herbalife was rated #1 on 
the Los Angeles Times '100 Best Performing Companies in California' list.


Herbalife Product Introductions
-------------------------------
In 1991, Herbalife did $190 million in sales, selling primarily basic
weight management and nutrition products.

In 1992, the Cell Activator (Formula 3) was introduced.  This product 
increases absorption of nutrients.  Sales jumped to $420 million.

In 1993, Herbalife introduced Thermojetics, an herbal-based supplement 
line which provides energy.  Sales jumped to $700 million.

This year, in February 1995, Herbalife introduced the new Dermajetics 
division which announced their first set of products - the Skin Care 
Survival Kit.  In the first 7 days, $10 million dollars were sold, and
sales continue to climb.  The products are being manufactured in France 
exclusively for Herbalife.

On April 22nd, there are 6 new Dermajetics products being announced and 
released!


Herbalife Marketing Plan
------------------------
There are 5 avenues of income:

1. Retail Profit:  As a distributor, you can earn between 25% and 42%
   on retail sales.  As a supervisor, you can earn 50% on retail sales.

2. Wholesale Profit:  As a distributor or a supervisor, you earn
   between 8% and 25% on the distributors you sponsor.

3. Royalty Overrides:  As a supervisor, you earn 5% on all supervisors
   3 levels deep.  If any one supervisor is inactive, you earn on the
   next level down.

4. Management Team Bonuses:  Once your Royalty Override is greater than
   $1000, you become part of the Management Team.  There are three levels.

   A. Entry Level Management position - Global Expansion Team (GET).  
      At this level, you receive an extra 2% on total sales of your 
      supervisors who are not part of the management team, regardless
      how wide and deep your organization is.  Estimated income range
      is: $1,000-$15,000 per month.

   B. Middle Management Position - Millionaire Team (Mil Team).  You
      can earn an extra 2-4% bonus on your organization, regardless of
      organizational width and depth.  Estimated income range is: 
      $4,000-$25,000 per month.

   C. Senior Management Position - President Team.  As a President Team
      member, you receive an extra 2-4-6% on your entire organization.
      Estimated income per month is:  $10,000-$200,000 per month.

5. World-Wide Profit Sharing - As a President Team member sponsoring
   other President Team members, you become eligible to participate in 
   world-wide profit sharing.  Three people last year received checks 
   for $600,000 each.  There were 25 checks given as bonuses last year.

NOTE - with $900 million in annual sales, and over 750,000 distributors
       worldwide, there are now over 600 distributors earning over
       $100,000 per year!

    
    I'm down now 9 pounds and 2-3 waist/hip clothes sizes since 
    beginning to take the products last October...
    
    ...and I still have not been using the traditional weight loss 
    program of substituting 2 meals per day with the shakes!  (;^) 
    
    (Note - using the products in this way will not be effective for 
    everyone, but it's working for me.)
    
    Cindy
              

    ====================================================
    US Herbalife Product/Price List - Spring/Summer 1995
    ====================================================

    Product				  Price
    -------				  -----
    Basic Weight-Loss Package	         $89.40
       Includes: Formula 1,2,3 and
         Thermojetics Green/Beige

    Advanced Weight-Loss Package         $124.60
       Includes Basic Package plus
         ThermoBond and Thermojetics
           Yellow

    Total Weight-Loss Package            $174.80
       Includes Advanced Package 
         plus Thermojetics Instant
           Herbal Beverage and
             Cell-U-Loss

    NOTE: Packages are approximately a
          30-day supply.
 
    Formula 1 - Van/Choc/Berry/Trop	  $20.00
    Formula 2 - Multivitamin/Min/Herb     $19.50
    Formula 3 - Cell Activator	          $19.95

    Thermojetics Green		          $21.00
    Thermojetics Beige	        	  $ 8.95
    Thermo-Bond			          $15.25
    Thermojetics Yellow	        	  $19.95
    Thermojetics Herbal Beverage	  $34.95
    Thermojetics Body Toning Creme	  $29.95
      
    Herbal-Aloe - Quart		          $13.75
    Herbal-Aloe - Gallon		  $40.20

    Tang Kuei Plus			  $12.00
    Male Factor 1000	        	  $39.95
    Xtra-Cal			          $ 9.90
    Cell-U-Loss		        	  $15.25
    Activated Fiber			  $15.25
    FloraFiber			          $12.00
    N.R.G. - Nature's Raw Guarana	  $14.25
    N.R.G. Instant Tea Mix		  $14.25
    Herbalifeline			  $23.95
    Schizandra Plus			  $14.90

    Kindermins (ages 0-4)		  $14.90
 
    Dermajetics Skin Survival Kit        $108.00

    Herbal Aloe Gel			  $ 5.70
    A.P.R.- Arthritis Pain Reliever    	  $13.00 
    Herbal Shampoo			  $ 5.70
    Herbal Rinse			  $ 5.70

    
    As of today, I've lost 12 lbs. using Herbalife products (and still
    not replaced any meals with the shake to lose this weight).   
    
    I began at 145 lbs. last September, and am now down to 133 lbs.  Now, 
    none of last year's clothes fit anymore.  In fact, none of my clothes
    from the last 7 years fit anymore.  Even jeans I bought 2 months 
    ago don't fit anymore.  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    Hey!....
    
    As of Yesterday, I hit the same goal (ie 12KG ) with Herbalife.....
    
    I am following the program (sort of), and I have another 12 or so to 
    go, but I also have loose clothes!..and a bunch of clothes that fit!
    
    This stuff WORKS!
    

    
    OK, 12lb, 12kg...Close enough.... :-)
    
    

    
    I'd like to be down 12kg!!!  (;^)  Well, maybe in another 6 months.
    
    Looks like I may break through the 130 lb. mark by July.
    
    Cindy

    
    Last night for the first time in a year, I went to my massage therapist
    to have a massage (also a good friend) and she could not believe how well 
    the Herbalife products have worked for me.  Even more than the weight
    loss itself, she said she could not find any cellulite (where I used to
    have quite a bit), and was amazed at the inches I've lost as well. 
    
    So she's now trying the products too.  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    Sadly,
    
    My weight loss has stopped. I am very frustrated, Yes I have been
    cheating...but not THAT much!!...Oh dear....
    
    Any suggestions???
    
    

    
    Annie,
    
    Stay with it.  I've been on 3 plateaus now, and have been successful 
    in riding them out.  It can be disappointing during those times, however 
    they really don't last forever...just seems that way.
    
    And be wary of cheating.  You know the saying - if you 'almost' stick 
    to the plan, then you'll 'almost' lose the weight...(;^)
    
    You might consider adding another product that you're not already
    taking - something like Cell-U-Loss, Herbal-Aloe, etc.,for example.  
    Adding another product at a plateau has helped me and a few people I 
    know to get beyond them.  
    
    Cindy
         

    
    Cindy,
    
    Do you have any information on distributors in England - I fancy a go
    at this - taking it not distributing it!
    
    The only question I have is that I have tried slim fast etc and I get
    an instant headache from it.  I do have to stay off of all additives
    and also foods that contain tyronene.  Does herbalife have this product
    (natural I think) in it?
    
    Thanks in advance.
    Hope therre is still someone reading this  8>)
    
    Marie

    
    Marie,
    
    Yes, there are distributors in England, and you might check the phone 
    books there - sometimes distributors do list in them.  If you can't 
    find a contact, I'll try to find one for you.
    
    The shake powder mixes do not contain a lot of the additives found in
    other products (especially Nutrasweet/aspartame...rather the base
    sweetener is fructose, per shake the equivalent of a small apple), 
    however if you're really sensitive, I'd suggest the Kosher (Vanilla) 
    formula...that is specially made without additives.  You'll probably 
    have to request it specifically though, since it may not be in the 
    catalogs there.
    
    Cindy
                                                  

    
    Thanks to Herbalife products, I've lost 16 pounds (now at 129 pounds 
    from 145 pounds) and am now wearing a size 6 (down from size 12/14).
    
    Cindy 

    Hey Cindy, if you're that good at losing weight, I'll mail you some of
    mine to lose. ;-)
    
    Dave

    
    Oh thanks Dave.  I think.  (;^)
    
    Cindy

    
    Herbalife is now on the WWW, and the location is:
    
    		http://www.herbalife.com
    
    Cindy

    It seems, though, that it's taken almost a year for you to lose the 16
    lbs., maybe Herbalife didn't have as much to do with the weight loss as
    you think.
    
    Skeptic -Tried them all,
    
    

    
    That's because I've never replaced any meals with shakes.  If I had
    replaced 2 meals with shakes, I could have lost it a lot faster.
    
    I never started taking Herbalife to lose weight originally.  My only
    reason for switching was because their vitamin/mineral/herbal 
    formulations impressed me, and it turned out to be cheaper for me 
    to use their products over the amount of money I was spending in 
    the local healthfood store for supplements.
    
    The week I switched to the Herbalife supplements was the week I lost
    3.5 pounds, and that was with eating 3 regular meals per day and
    actually adding a shake in the late afternoon.  So essentially these 
    worked on me in spite of myself.  Beyond switching to Herbalife over 
    my other supplements, I did not vary one other aspect of my life in 
    terms of diet, exercise, and so forth. 
    
    Last week I put on a nice pair of wool pants that I haven't fit into 
    in almost 15 years.  Fortunately that style is 'in' again.  (;^)  
    
    >Skeptic -Tried them all,
    
    So then you tried Herbalife?  What was your experience?
    
    Cindy
    
    PS. I've now lost 20 pounds as of this last weekend.  
             

    Herbalife Thermagetics sounded like the answer for me to get back to
    good health.  I had been on antibiotics longterm and got a brochure in
    the mail about all of the benefits of their products and it was
    guaranteed.  I called the 800#, left a voicemail, a week goes by with
    no response.  So, I call the 800# again and leave another message.  A
    few days later, a rep calls me and we have a very pleasant
    conversation, discuss my health and weight problems, and I order the
    green & beige tablets.  If for any reason I am dissatisfied, full
    refunds are guaranteed.  So, I take the risk - and very excited about
    achieving positive results with this product - sounds perfect for me.
    
    Next day another rep calls and I say that I already ordered, we talk,
    again a nice conversation.  This person says that I should have ordered
    some of the products to clean out my system, etc so that the formula
    works better.  We chat some more - I really like this person and they
    are trying so hard - I'm really convinced that this is THE answer I've
    been looking for.  I order some of the other products and another
    30-day supply of the green/beige formula.
    
    After three weeks or so, there is NO change at all.  I call one of the
    rep and they suggest that I keep up with it and try another product
    that may help it work.  They really want this to work for me.  I
    mention that 30-days is almost up for the refund and they want me to
    try a little longer.  At least I contacted them within the 30 days.
    
    Six weeks goes by and I feel like I wasted a lot of money, contact the
    first rep and ask for a refund - she sends me the form to return the
    empty or unused portion.  I process that - a week later she calls me
    back yelling that she despises customers like me that try to take
    advantage of a refund and she found out they I ordered from anther rep
    and what am I trying to pull.......
    
    It took several letters direct to Herbalife just to get half of the
    money that I spent on these products.   
    
    About six months ago, I tried another herbal product from a different
    company, didn't work & my refund request came back undelivered because
    the company no longer exists.
    
    I seem to have negative results with weight-loss products and the
    guarantees usually mean nothing.  I need a reputable
    herbal/vitamin/nutrient product to help my body recover from a
    struggle with lyme disease and being on antibiotics.  I've come up with
    my own vitamin and protein supplement concoction which has helped
    tremendously.
    
    
                                         

    
    That's unfortunate.  There are some 'bad apples' in every business, 
    and it appears you came across them.  
    
    Knowing your situation now, I would have suggested a different set 
    of products altogether, and never would have treated you like that 
    regarding the refund, since that's a company policy. 
    
    Also, because you have a medical preexisting condition, a call from 
    your doctor to the the office of the scientific board of Herbalife 
    (Dr. David Katzin) would have definitely been in order to see what 
    products would best suit your situation.              
    
    Cindy

                                                             
    I've now lost 24 pounds - down to 121 from 145 - and yesterday managed
    to fit into a size 4 pair of jeans...down from a size 12/14 in the same 
    style and brand (L.L.Bean Relaxed Fit) just over 2 years ago.  (Almost 
    all of my excess weight was from the waist down, which accounts for the 
    dramatic decrease in pant size.)
    
    I don't recall exactly what my weight was in high school 21 years ago, 
    however I think I'm finally back to that weight again.  I almost can't
    believe it...like it's too good to be true.
    
    Cindy

	I started on the herbalife basic weight managment program in the 
	beginning of January '97. After the first month I had lost a few
	pounds and notice I had lots on energy and just felt much better.
	I always seem to have headaches all the time but now they seem to
	have gone away since I've been on the program for a month. I didn't
	follow the program exactly according to there plan. So in February
	I decided to follow the plan. I replaced two meals a day with
	the nutrition shake (the recipes taste great) and took the supplements
	three times a day. I also use a treadmill every other day for about
	25 minutes on a fast walk. At the end of February I was down 16 lbs and 
	my waist size dropped from 39" to 37". The first week in March I did'nt
	follow the plan but still continued taking the shakes and 
	supplements and I maintained my weight. The second week I went back
	on the plan and lost another 4 lbs to date (down 20 lbs). This week
	I had my annual medical physical. My doctor was impressed at my weight
	loss and what was most exciting he took me off of the high blood
	pressure medication I was on. He has been working on me for a while
	to loose weight. My doctor is going to be monitoring my blood 
	pressure over the next several months so we'll see how I do. My
	goal is to loose another 15 lbs. I'll Keep a post on my progress.
	I still feel great and am very happy with all the renewed energy
	I have. My wife is keep me busy around the house with lots of
	projects now that she see the change in me. If anyone has any questions
	on the program feel free to give me a call.

	Regards

	Steve

	DTN: 226-6990
	Home: 508-393-4927

	PS. I've been trying lots of programs to loose weight for several
	years because of the high blood pressure. I'm glad I found one 
	that really works. Thankyou Herbalife!