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Title: Weight Loss and Maintenance
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Created:Tue Jul 10 1990
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:933
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680.0. "Depressed" by DPDMAI::HUDDLESTON () Wed Jul 17 1991 17:47

    Well, folks, I'm getting depressed.  I've procrastinated (big suprise)
    for the last few months on losing weight.  I've got to do something
    though.    Depending on which scale I get on, I'm close to 100 pounds
    over weight.  I'm tired of being fat.
    
    Guess I'll keep my fat content low (20 grams a day), and excercise.  I
    had my left knee operated on in 1985, and its starting to give me
    problems---go to the doc. tomorrow.  I can't help but think that its
    related to my weight.  
    
    Well, thats all I wanted to say.  Just wanted to share my thoughts with
    someone.
    
    
    
    Donna
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680.1Medi-fastDENVER::HITEColorado Rockies Baseball FanThu Jul 18 1991 00:3638
    I was 70 pounds overweight and felt desperate.  My husband who was over
    100 pounds overweight felt the same way.  We are fasting through a
    Medi-fast program through a local hospital.  The cost is partially
    taken care of by our insurance, and after the first week of fasting
    (drinking their supplements 5 times a day), I wasn't hungry.
    
    I have lost 27 pounds in less than 8 weeks (averaging about 3.5 per
    week) and my husband has lost 75 pounds in 10 weeks.  We feel healthy
    and it is great to lose the weight so quickly.
    
    But key to this program is the educational sessions we attended.  There
    were 12 classes we were required to take (2 hours every Wed night). 
    These classes ranged from Basic Nutrition to an exploration of
    emotional eating to restaurant eating, etc.  These programs have helped
    to "change our heads" regarding our past eating habits.
    
    Additionally, there are support meetings every Monday, so that we can
    continue to be focused and have support when we begin eating again.
    
    One think I really like about this program is that for the first time,
    I don't have a "diet mentality".  These educational classes were
    designed to be "this is the way I will eat for the rest of my life" as
    opposed to teaching us how to diet.  I don't know about you, but I'm a
    pro at dieting--it's keeping it off that has been a problem.  These
    classes are teaching me how to eat--nutritiously, low-fat, and also how
    important exercise is to weight management.
    
    This might be a good program for you.  You could have your weight off
    within 4 or 5 months, and you could learn the skills to a new and
    happier life.
    
    If you have any questions, please call me at DTN:  553-3072 (mountain
    standard time).  
    
    For the first time in my life, I feel that I  have control over food---
    and it feels great!!!!!!
    
    Jan
680.2IthinkIcanIthinkIcanROYALT::TASSINARIBobThu Jul 18 1991 00:3737
  I'm not very good at being inspirational but I have lost over 60 lbs and
 I can tell you from personal experience:

	You can do it!

  The first thing you have to do is: Believe it!

   *We* (this includes you) can do *anything* we really want to do. We just
  need to want to bad enough.

  I think that my success is directly tied to the mental preparation before
 I started following the Weight Watchers program. WW is eating regular food 
 albeit in different quantities. It was much easier than I had imagined.

  Before the holidays last year, I began to tell myself that my weight was
 getting out of hand. I admitted I had a problem.

  I didn't immediately start dieting. It was around Thanksgiving so who is
 going to start a diet at holiday time?

   What I did do was start telling myself that I would begin 'my new life' on
 Jan 1st. I repeated this message constantly, I thought about how I'd like
 to look, what clothes it would be fun to fit into again, etc.

   This form of self-hypnosis was a drastic change from previous attempts and
 I think the key. Also, I didn't approach it as I was 'going on a diet' which
 (implies something short term) but  rather a 'new life' in that I was going 
 to change my eating habits long term.

   My goal wasn't (at first) to lose 60 lbs. I started for 20 then 5 more, etc.
 It was important that I could see I was succeeding. Nothing breeds success
 like success.

  I don't claim to have the 'only' way here but it did work for me.

    - Bob
680.3There is lots of help availableRANGER::PESENTIOnly messages can be draggedThu Jul 18 1991 15:2521
    At 100 lbs overweight, most insurance companies categorize you as
    obese.  This means many MEDICALLY SUPERVISED weight loss programs can
    be covered by your insurance.  I did OPTIFAST last year, and lost
    140lbs., and Hancock paid 80% of everything but the food supplements. 
    Since you are going to the doctor anyway, discuss your condition and
    desire to lose weight.  Ask about getting nutritional counselling from a
    registered dietician, as well as medically supervised fasting, and any
    other options your doctor can think of.  Modifying one aspect of your
    diet (like just fat or just carbos) can be dangerous if you do it long
    enough to lose 100 lbs.  
    
    Look for a program that starts you off with a structured plan (it's
    much easier when you don't have a lot of choices to make), then teaches
    you about nutrition and eating habits.  When you are accustomed to
    being 100 lbs overweight, losing and controlling your weight is a
    lifetime commitment.  Deprivation rarely works for a lifetime, so find
    a program you can live with.
    
    If you want to talk more, call me.
    
    	-JP (John Pesenti, dtn 226 2475)
680.4Excited About Meeting all of youMAIL::EDINGTONThu Jul 18 1991 20:5087
    This is my first entry into the notes file, I have been reading all of
    the notes in all of the files all the way back to 1988.  I spend every
    spare minute during the day reading all of the entries and the replies. 
    I wonder about the folks that were active back in 1988, whether or not
    they are still successful, or even if they still work for DEC.  The
    notes have been such an inspiration to me, I can relate so well with
    all of you folks since I have been on almost every diet mentioned in
    these files.  
    
    I have had a weight problem since my early twenties, I never had a
    problem growing up or even into my teens, but I married very early, had
    my first child at age 18, was away from home in the service with my
    husband with no one to tell me to watch my weight during pregnancy and
    since I had never had a weight problem I ate everything that didn't eat
    me first, gained about 70 pounds, and almost lost my son, but never
    lost all of the weight from him.  Then, two more pregnancies down the
    road, more weight gained, never lost, equals a weight problem.  The
    older I get the more of a problem it is to loose weight.  I have been
    on the Optifast program twice, I have now gained 20 pounds from my last
    trip with Optifast.  The program is great, it works, and I wish I could
    stay on it the rest of my life.  Not having to make decisions about
    what to eat, when to eat and how much was like a wonderful dream to me. 
    After the first week I did not care about food at all.  I just drank my
    drinks five times a day, and had absolutely no interest in food at all. 
    BUT, and that is a big BUT, you have to go back on food.  I was so cocky,
    you look so good, everyone goes on and on about how great you look.  I
    started my old pig habits again and have gained 20 pounds back and I
    still wanted to loose 30, so now I need to loose at least 50.  Oh the
    games we play.  I thought after the first failure with Optifast I had
    learned my lesson, but boy does the weight go on easy.  I did get into
    a wonderful exercise routine out of the whole thing, I average five
    miles of walking five to six days a week.  I have been in Weight
    Watchers here at the office for the last 20 weeks, I have gained weight
    instead of loosing, I can't seem to stick to the diet, but won't quit
    because I know that this is truly the only way for me.  The program is
    great, its a way of life, and one of these days something is going to
    click in my foolish head and I'll be able to stick to it.  I quit a
    very bad cigarette habit (three packs a day), but I didn't quit it with
    one try, after about 20 or more tries, I finally succeeded, that was
    six years ago this coming January 1st, I did it cold turkey, gained
    about 40 pounds, but at least I got rid of one of my bad habits, I just
    kept trying until I finally did it, I feel my weight will work the same
    way, one of these days something will click in me, I'll figure out what
    is wrong with me, or I'll hear or read something in these notes files
    that will be my answer.  Anyway, I'll keep on keeping on with Weight
    Watchers.
    
    I should tell you a little bit about myself.  I work full time for DEC,
    have been here for almost ten years (November 9th).  I have a part-time
    job at a local grocery store, averaging 20 hours a week, I sell Avon,
    plus I am a wife and a homemaker.  It probably makes you tired just to
    think about my lifestyle, yes, I am tired most of the time.  I also
    have elderly parents, pop is 89, mom is 82, mom has Alzteimer's, pop
    takes complete care of her, will not even consider putting her in a
    home.  What I am trying to get across here is all the stress in my
    life, I have only shared a small amount, I didn't even get into the
    money, marriage, college for my daughter, etc., etc., etc..........I
    feel so stressed out most of the time, I don't sleep well, and worrying
    about food is just one more stressful thing in my life.  I get very
    hungrey because of the pace I keep, that I usually grab the first thing
    that is easy to put in my mouth, if I had a maid to prepare my meals
    and have them ready for me when I come dragging in at 10:30 at night, I
    could probably do fine, because I know with my exercise program and all
    the hours I keep, I should be the skinniest thing ever, no one can
    believe I have a weight problem with the busy schedule I have.  Sweets
    are a very big problem with me, I crave them, sometimes (quite often
    actually) I go crazy and stop at the store on my way home (I live 38
    miles from the office way out in the country) and buy hostess cakes,
    two or three of them, ice cream bars, and eat them so fast I hardly
    taste them, then the guilt sets in, I hate myself, ask myself "why did
    I do that", more stress.  
    
    I know it's the same old story, this has gotten very long, but somehow
    it feels good to write it down and share it with folks that I know
    understand, even though I don't know any of you, I feel like I do, and
    you know exactly where I'm coming from.  Thanks for listening, I enjoy
    reading your notes, I will be happy to be a part of this file.  I don't
    understand how to do this, but there is a nice guy close to me that is
    helping me send this.  I am located in St. Louis, my DTN is 445-6508.
    
    Anyway, thanks, good luck to you all, and I have enjoyed meeting you
    all through this file.
    
    Regards,
    
    Judy Edington 
                               
680.5Your Fat is Your FriendHSOMAI::IRVINGSat Jul 27 1991 01:3684
    
    I heard something really interesting, and for me, earth-shattering -
    yet poignant on the radio last week.   I was listening to some
    health hour (can't remember the station/show/progam name) and a 
    psychologist was saying that one's extra fat is very important and
    precious to them.     Wait!   I know you are all saying, NO WAY!
    
    Well, for some of us - it may be true.   It was for me.  The idea is
    that your fat serves as a protective shield from the ugly world and all
    it's anxieties and problems.   Also, the actual eating of the foods
    that make us fat, is the beginning of this insulation and protection
    from life's anxieties.    I certainly rush home after a particularly
    bad day, and jump into bed with my favorite foods and a good book.
    Studies have found that women, in particular, eat chocolate ice cream
    (and chocolate anything) when depressed.   Chocolate does contain
    tryphtophan with generates serotonin and this relaxes us.   There are
    other foods that do the same.   They are probably the emotional
    over-eater's favorite foods....
    
    This doctor went on to say that in making a decision to lose weight,
    we are deciding to remove our shield, give up our protection -
    without even considering it!  It's usually over-looked.
    
    He also said that in order to give up that protection, you must be
    mentally ready.  You must also realize that it will be like parting
    with a treasured and precious friend or lover - it will be difficult
    and it will take some time.   You would need to constantly re-adjust
    as you continued to lose weight.
    
    It is his idea that those who lose weight quickly on such diets as
    Optifast, are not emotionally ready to do so.   This is why they
    tend to regain the weight.   Less is required of a fat person.
    Less is expected of a fat person.   A fat person is not expected to
    be anything except jolly and funny; least of all sexy.
    
    His advice was to regard your fat as the treasured friend that it is,
    and to gradually do what you need to do in order to grow out of 
    this friend.   Parting slowly, but surely, as you gain the emotional
    strength to live without it.
    
    This idea certainly struck a raw nerve with me.   I toyed with the
    idea for a couple of hours and tried to use it to answer that
    perpetual question; "Why do I do this to myself when it makes me
    miserable?"
    
    I concluded that being fat was good for me.   It kept me faithful when
    I didn't want to be.   It kept me from having to make career moves
    that matched my career goals.   It kept me from moving out and ahead
    without having to admit to myself that I was afraid to risk failure,
    and that I didn't want to be the faithful and dutiful wife.
    
    My fat was the necessary ingredient that assured that I was happy
    with the current status quo.
    
    Now, I've reached a point where I want to be faithful and whether I
    like it or not, I have to make career moves that will assure that
    I obtain my goals.  In other words, I don't need the fat any longer.
    
    I am ready to lose weight.   And, I am losing.  I'm not afraid to
    lose, not afraid of re-gaining it, not afraid that I can't do it -
    because I've recognized that I still need to give myself the
    necessary emotional nourishment and protection, without eating or
    being fat.
    
    Succintly put, maybe all it means is that when everything else is
    right and as perfect as can be in your life, you'll lose weight.
    
    It could be why star-struck lovers lose weight - their world seems
    so beautiful and perfect.   Unfortunately, maturity pretty much
    does away with that kind of starry-eyed love.
    
    So, regard your fat as your personal treasure and friend that's always
    there for you.  Don't berate it, or yourself.  Instead, decide
    what needs to be done so that you can no longer need it, and are
    ready to part ways.
    
    I wish I had the doctor's name, the name of the program, or something
    that would provide more information regarding this theory.   He's
    probably written a book, or started some new program.  If anybody
    else out there has heard this - please provide a clue.
    
    
    Regards,