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Title: Weight Loss and Maintenance
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Created:Tue Jul 10 1990
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
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41.0. "Help Wanted" by SRFSUP::GOLDSMITH (I salute Kernel Mode!) Tue May 26 1987 17:15

    The following comes to us anonymously from a fellow WEIGHTLOSS noter
    in trouble. After reading the following, I'm sure you'll all be
    able to relate.
                                                 --- Neal
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    I just don't understand it...I truly do wish to lose about 50 pounds,
    but every time I lose about 6 to 10 pounds...I leave whatever regime
    I'm following and start pigging out on anything, everything! Then I let
    myself wallow in my guilt and eat some more. You'd think I'd be
    ashamed...well, I am, I'm very ashamed of this weakness...I don't know
    what causes it, in the event I did, I would move heaven and earth to
    correct it. Are there any other people who have this problem?? What can
    I do to correct it?? Am I destined to be a fat person all my life?? 

    I'm so desperate at this point that I'm moonlighting. Not just for
    extra cash, but to keep me away from food. Please, if anyone has a
    solution, post it here. 

    Thankyou folks! 


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41.1Some Help.SRFSUP::GOLDSMITHI salute Kernel Mode!Tue May 26 1987 17:2731
    
    I think I'll start off the suggestions.
    
    I found there are two keys to staying on a program:
    
    	1. Start with a major event, like purging the house of all snack
    	   foods. (This can be hard if you have kids) Then keep that
    	   food out of the house. WHEN I SAY PURGE, I MEAN THROW IT
           OUT, DON'T EAT IT!!!! :-)
    
    	2. Keep telling yourself why your doing it. For you, I hope.
           Try rewarding yourself, it works for me. Every 5 pounds =
           one compact disc.
    
    Remember food is an addiction just like alcohol, cocaine, and heroine.
    It's not easy to quit, use your friends, loved ones, co-workers.
    KICK THE HABIT!
    
    I once was told that I would die by age 35 if I didn't lose the
    weight. My response was: "Then at least I'll die happy."
    
    A few months ago, I told a friend of mine with a drug problem:
    "If you don't quit, you'll die." You can guess their response.
              
    It has been proven that you get the same gratification from exercise
    as you do from food. Need to eat? Take a walk instead.
    
    Hope this helps!
    
    						--- Neal

41.2More help, I hopeTALLIS::SLEWISTue May 26 1987 18:1123
    In addition to .1:
    
    1) try to figure out what is sabotaging your diet -- is it you or
    your diet? if you follow a one-or-two food diet, you'll never be
    able to stay on it for long.  if you're depriving yourself of things
    you really need (not chocolate or ice cream), like carbohydrates
    or minerals, your body may crave them enough to overrun your willpower.
    
    2) It may be that you're afraid to be thin. If that's the case then
    try to figure out why.
    
    3) Although I think that there are some nutrtional deficiencies
    in the Rotation Diet, you may benefit from an on-again/off-again
    approach.
    
    4) Exercise, exercise, exercise. Then exercise some more. 

    5) It also sounds like a weight-loss support group  (Weight Watchers,
    Diet Center for individual support) may help you over the rough
    spots. It's very difficult to lose weigh on one's own.
    Good Luck!
    

41.3Asking why (and listening to the answers)NATASH::BUTCHARTWed May 27 1987 13:40118
    The most critical question to ask yourself, if your diet regimes
    are not at fault, and you're "doing the right things" while on them
    (i.e., exercising, developing other interests, purging the house
    of foods you don't want to eat), is:
    
    Why do I want to be fat?
    
    On the surface, it seems like a stupid question, but it isn't. 
    One part of you very much wants to be thin.  Some _other_ part of
    you has a vested interest in your staying the way you are.  I had
    this type of problem, and if we're at all alike, _you'll never succeed
    until you *make peace* with that part of yourself_.  This does not
    mean that you treat that part of yourself like a howling child,
    whom you symbolically shut up in an attic in the hopes (s)he'll
    stop crying.  As you are experiencing, that doesn't work.  The dynamic
    that operated for me when I did that was:
    
    	My conscious self, the one that wants to be thin, gets me
    	going on a new food regime.
    
    	My hidden self, who is threatened either by the food regime
    	itself, or by being thin, revolts.
    
    	I pig out.  My conscious self experiences tremendous guilt
    	and while it is paralyzed by it, my hidden self gets to
    	gorge itself to its own satisfaction.
    
    The only way out is to symbolically sit your two selves down and
    say:  "What's going on here?  Why do you want me to be fat?"
    
    There were very enlightening things I learned by going through this
    process.  They were:
    
     o food was the only way I could legitimately "take care" of
       myself while satisfying everyone else's demands on my time
       and energy.  (I also could not afford nice "prizes" for
       losing weight, such as manicures, extra clothes, CD's,
       until very, very recently.  I could afford a 35 cent candy
       bar or bag of potato chips; that's all 35 cents will buy.
       For those of you who say "ah, but .35 * 365 days a year is
       $127!  Think what you could buy for $127!"  Sorry, I need
       more frequent reinforcement than a shopping trip once a year
       with $127.  Also, a manicure or a CD will not get me through
       the meeting that has gone past 5 pm when I am dead tired.)
    
     o I was in deep, critical need for loving companionship.  At the
       same time, I had been raised not to "burden" people with my
       needs.  Food was the only way I knew how to provide it while
       not burdening other people who didn't have time for me.  You
       know, that kind of a solution, dreamt up by my very own
       subconsious, without any help from me or anyone else, is damn
       brilliant.  Maladaptive, maybe, but brilliant.
    
     o Because I felt I had to everything for myself, by myself, I
       felt I had to be strong and capable, and I didn't think that
       was possible if I was slim.  The only times I lost weight in
       my life was when I was very ill (and also completely alone).
       It only takes a couple of those types of episodes to condition
       your subconscious to react in panic when you lose a few pounds.
    
     o I was smothering negative feelings that were "socially
       unacceptable" by eating.  I was also absorbing other people's
       negative feelings and trying to smother them also.
    
     o I was enraged that society as a whole would not accept the way
       I was, and kept implying that I was damaged goods.  Even though
       I consciously wanted to change to "fit in", the needy child
       within me wanted to be accepted for what she was--fat or thin.
       And she was enraged to think that she was the one who always had
       to change to be accepted.  (No wonder I got binge attacks!)
    
    What you learn could be very, very different, since you are a unique,
    special person with your own inner genius.  There are books that I
    found very helpful in leading me through ways to figure out why I
    wanted to be fat and helping me deal with them.  They may help you
    too:
    
    		_Feeding The Hungry Heart_
    		_Breaking Free from Compulsive Eating_
    
    				- both by Geneen Roth
    
    		_The Obsession_
    		_The Hungry Self_
    
    				- both by Kim Chernin
    
    		_Fat is a Feminist Issue_
    		_Fat is a Feminist Issue_ Vol II
    
    				- both by Susie Orbach
    
    They deal with the problems of overeating and overweight from
    psychological, sensory, emotional and societal views.  None of them
    contain diets or exercise regimens; they are food for thought. 
    And all of them contain a few basic premises:
    
    	In order to create the kind of reality you desire, you
        must first feel you deserve to have it.  This means that
    	first you have to love yourself.
    
    	You are not a freak, a degenerate, an addict, or any of
    	the other adjectives people with a problem give to them-
    	selves.  You are unique and special and worthy to be
    	loved, both by yourself and others.
    
    	Society's negative judgements about fat can be reason
    	enough for a spirited person to rebel against them--and
    	classically that rebellion can take the form of becoming
    	fat.
    
    	Your body's needs must absolutely be respected, whatever
    	you do.
    
    I wish you the best.
    
    Marcia

41.4SUPER::HENDRICKSNot another learning experience!Fri May 29 1987 12:396
    Beautifully written -- thank you for sharing that.  You manage to
    describe the process you have gone through and the "food for thought"
    you used without sounding preachy or creating an "us/them" feeling.
    
    

41.5NATASH::BUTCHARTFri May 29 1987 15:2813
    Thank you, too.  Even though I am now close to a good weight for
    myself, I still carry scars, stretch marks on the hips and soul,
    so to speak.  Even though I now look kind of like one of the
    Favored Thin, I have what was once touchingly described as a Fat
    Soul.  Rather than thinking of overweight people as shiftless, lazy,
    careless, weak-and-willess slobs, I now think of us as heros, often
    coping with difficult life situations the best way we can, unfairly
    stigmatized by our society as a whole, struggling to have ourselves
    and our problems (ALL our problems, not just our weight) accorded
    the dignity we deserve.
    
    Marcia

41.6I second that Notion!SRFSUP::GOLDSMITHI salute Kernel Mode!Fri May 29 1987 17:1324
    re .5:
    
    Well said!
    
    As I lose weight, I fear that I will become "one of them". But I find
    that the more I "fit in" the more I care about other overweight people. 
    
    I am beginning to think that a lot of my problem has been low self
    esteem. Now that I am feeling better about myself, I am opening up and
    relating to other people on a different level. 
    
    Of course there is always the increased acceptance of looking more
    like the "Favored Thin". But I still think most of it starts right
    in the old head.
    
    After being fat more then half my life, I will never forget what it was
    like. One of my therapists who herself lost 110 pounds says, "I'm a
    Obese Person in remission". Even though a still have 80 pounds to go, I
    know what she means. If I stop watching myself I could find myself
    right back there. 
    
    							--- Neal
    

41.7The Right MoveNHL::ARNOThu Jun 04 1987 14:3432
    
    It's not an easy step to face that we have a problem but you
    have taken the first biggest.. 
    I have been a person that has had alot of pain being fat and
    I got to a point where I said do I want to be like this all 
    the time and I said no.. 
    I talked to someone and they say that a Overweight person
    doesn't think very mush of themselves so we eat to make us
    feel better but it only taste good for a minute but the pain is
    still there.. I had to want to lose weight for me and me alone.
    I always thought of what the other person thought but this person
    had me see the good in me.. I bet you have alot of good on you to.
    
    I now go to Weight Watchers at work and I love it .. I get to know
    more people at work and It's alot of fun..  I am still eatting foods
    that I love and losing weight.. 
    
    Take care of you!  There will never be another one like you,..
    
    Get rid of the foods that you can't say no to!!
    
    If you want to write to me or call me I would love to help
    
    
    Good Luck and Thanks for being you!!
    
    Ann
    
    
    
    

41.8ZODIAC::HAYESFri Sep 25 1987 12:1120
    Re .5
    
    Thank you for an insightful, inspiring note.  Yesterday I made the
    decision to seek professional help in dealing with my weight problem.
    I am 30lbs. overweight (recent -- all gained in the last year) and
    fear the "lose-gain" cycle that seems to come from too much "dieting".
    Instead I have decided to investigate the reasons that I am overweight.
    Why is it so very hard to start the regime necessary to lose weight?
    And so on and so forth.  
    
    So I have chosen to see a psychotherapist/nutritionist who deals
    with weight/eating issues.
    
    Your note has helped me affirm this decision.  And the books you
    list are a great start.  
    
    Thank you.
    
    --Kath