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Title:Hudson VLSI
Notice:For Digital Chip Data - CHIPBZ::PRODUCTION$:[DS_INFO...]
Moderator:RICKS::PHIPPS
Created:Wed Feb 12 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:701
Total number of notes:4658

571.0. "HP PA8000" by TROOA::MSCHNEIDER (Nothing witty to say) Fri Sep 13 1996 16:37

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571.1heard in Europe too..RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AFri Sep 13 1996 17:3215
571.2K460's $/tpmC is not too agressiveBPSOF::ODORFri Sep 13 1996 18:0511
571.3Storageworks opportunityRDGENG::WILLIAMS_AFri Sep 13 1996 18:3622
571.4just playing the game ....TROOA::MSCHNEIDERNothing witty to sayFri Sep 13 1996 21:202
571.5WOTVAX::DODDMon Sep 16 1996 11:1817
571.6WOTVAX::DODDWed Sep 18 1996 10:2213
571.7And Kratz will need no encouragement....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftWed Sep 18 1996 15:0238
571.8Customer should care about $, not #processorsWIBBIN::NOYCEPulling weeds, pickin' stonesWed Sep 18 1996 16:0012
571.9Expensive storagePERFOM::MORGENSTEINAchilles loved PetroclusWed Sep 18 1996 19:3621
571.10MSE1::PCOTEDECeit, DECline, DECimatedWed Sep 18 1996 20:3513
571.11...and don't believe everything you readWIBBIN::NOYCEPulling weeds, pickin' stonesWed Sep 18 1996 20:391
571.12Response to HPPERFOM::HENNINGThu Sep 19 1996 00:31295
571.13BIGUN::nessus.cao.dec.com::Peter MayneUFS is fscked [sic].Thu Sep 19 1996 02:078
571.14Somewhat unofficialPERFOM::HENNINGThu Sep 19 1996 02:108
571.15what he said!WRKSYS::SCHUMANNThu Sep 19 1996 02:361
571.16YES! YES! YES! (now what ?)BBPBV1::WALLACEUnix is digital. Use Digital UNIX.Thu Sep 19 1996 07:464
571.17Yes but the eyecatching number is way off.WOTVAX::DODDThu Sep 19 1996 07:5917
571.18More spin..RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AThu Sep 19 1996 09:5465
571.19I-Stream bandwidth probablyKAMPUS::NEIDECKEREUROMEDIA: Distributed Multimedia ArchivesThu Sep 19 1996 09:586
571.20WOTVAX::DODDThu Sep 19 1996 11:138
571.21Fast off-chip IcachePERFOM::HENNINGThu Sep 19 1996 12:0617
571.22EV6 - When ?RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AThu Sep 19 1996 13:2720
571.23AMCFAC::RABAHYdtn 471-5160, outside 1-810-347-5160Thu Sep 19 1996 13:4010
571.24WOTVAX::DODDThu Sep 19 1996 15:466
571.25More Questions on Cache DynamicsFORBIN::WILKINSONThu Sep 19 1996 16:1224
571.26Bandwidth from cache to chip is the issuePERFOM::HENNINGThu Sep 19 1996 17:2311
571.27latency v.s. bandwidthFORBIN::WILKINSONThu Sep 19 1996 19:0924
571.28Dick Sites - analysisRDGENG::WILLIAMS_AFri Sep 20 1996 08:093
571.29Probably we didn't want to trumpet a weaknessKAMPUS::NEIDECKEREUROMEDIA: Distributed Multimedia ArchivesFri Sep 20 1996 10:274
571.30Re: Dick's TPC observationsPERFOM::HENNINGFri Sep 20 1996 10:401
571.31re .27PERFOM::HENNINGFri Sep 20 1996 10:5922
571.32software pre-loading of S-CacheFORBIN::WILKINSONFri Sep 20 1996 19:2921
571.33Hardware PrefetchROCK::BANNONSun Sep 22 1996 00:286
571.34better than I thoughtFORBIN::WILKINSONMon Sep 23 1996 20:2114
571.35DECCXL::OUELLETTETo err is human, to moo bovineMon Sep 23 1996 21:555
571.36Why don't they run Oracle ?TAV02::YOCHAITue Sep 24 1996 14:419
571.37branch optimization?FORBIN::WILKINSONTue Sep 24 1996 18:3930
571.38DECC::OUELLETTETo err is human, to moo bovineTue Sep 24 1996 20:207
571.39ROCK::BANNONWed Sep 25 1996 13:506
571.40Work in ProgressPERFOM::SHAKSHOBERThu Sep 26 1996 02:1638
571.41L1 / L2 ?RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AThu Sep 26 1996 07:2412
571.42re: adding more on-chip cache to ev56PERFOM::HENNINGThu Sep 26 1996 11:201
571.43cachelessTALLIS::GORTONThu Sep 26 1996 12:067
571.44Miata = cacheless EV56 workstationWRKSYS::SCHUMANNThu Sep 26 1996 16:379
571.45cashless ?RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AFri Sep 27 1996 11:0526
571.46Server Prophecies Shall Come To PassPERFOM::HENNINGFri Sep 27 1996 21:157
571.47Just get at THEM!NEWVAX::MZARUDZKIpreparation can mean survival Mon Sep 30 1996 18:478
571.48We need the bcache.PERFOM::SHAKSHOBERTue Oct 01 1996 02:549
571.49TENNIS::KAMKam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVOSat Oct 05 1996 16:228
571.50Obviously, app specific..RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AMon Oct 07 1996 08:4727
571.51To B-cache or not to B-cachePERFOM::HENNINGMon Oct 07 1996 20:0821
571.52OK to forward cacheless notePERFOM::HENNINGThu Oct 17 1996 14:494
571.53Gartner says Alpha dead by 2000?LANDO::FARLEYFri Oct 18 1996 13:5213
571.54GG does not like us anymore...OSLMR::MARTINR_PAdvice: Say nothing often...Sat Oct 19 1996 09:4228
571.55cynical BC says....ROM01::OLD_CIPOLLABruno CipollaMon Oct 21 1996 08:1410
571.56Where did Wes Melling used to work?BBPBV1::WALLACEadverts: pay lots, get monkeysMon Oct 21 1996 09:081
571.57more likely LynnTROOA::BROWNRPC - Really Practical ComputingMon Oct 21 1996 19:582
571.58BIGUN::nessus.cao.dec.com::MaynePoke and grunt low downMon Oct 21 1996 22:394
571.59So many ways to read same words...EEMELI::TAVIFIS and ChipsTue Oct 22 1996 09:2091
571.60One thing I forgot...EEMELI::TAVIFIS and ChipsTue Oct 22 1996 09:279
571.61free marketingROM01::OLD_CIPOLLABruno CipollaTue Oct 22 1996 09:3612
571.62Re .61 Like Altavista?CECAMO::JAGERMANCaspar DTN 843-8718Tue Oct 22 1996 14:290
571.63Yes and NoEEMELI::TAVIFIS and ChipsTue Oct 22 1996 19:5626
571.64BIGQ::ACQUAHTue Oct 22 1996 20:233
571.65QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Oct 22 1996 20:393
571.66HP PA-8200 press releaseSTAR::HITTI break for ACCVIOsThu Oct 24 1996 14:38135
571.67'Shipping in volume'CECAMO::JAGERMANCaspar DTN 843-8718Thu Oct 24 1996 15:569
571.68Hmmmm....PERFOM::LICEA_KANEwhen it's comin' from the leftThu Oct 24 1996 16:4217
571.69WOTVAX::DODDFri Oct 25 1996 09:2410
571.70QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centFri Oct 25 1996 15:273
571.71ATLANT::SCHMIDTSee http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/Mon Oct 28 1996 01:3914
571.72WRKSYS::INGRAHAMAndyMon Oct 28 1996 11:556
571.73QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Oct 28 1996 18:275
571.74Two at one blowHERON::KAISERTue Oct 29 1996 07:224
571.75ATLANT::SCHMIDTSee http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/Wed Oct 30 1996 01:4914
571.76MIPS blew itHERON::KAISERWed Oct 30 1996 10:2711
571.77STEVEN::hobbsSteven HobbsWed Oct 30 1996 17:3162
571.78TIGNES::HOBBSCongrats to the Ignoble Peace Prize winner!Wed Oct 30 1996 18:1319
571.79BIGUN::nessus.cao.dec.com::MaynePoke and grunt low downWed Oct 30 1996 20:2110
571.80history is so flexible....STEVMS::PETTENGILLmulpSat Nov 16 1996 03:5242
571.81apropos of mulpDECCXL::OUELLETTEMon Nov 18 1996 15:0210
571.82give me a 1ns AlphaCOMEUP::SIMMONDSlock (M); while (not *SOMETHING) { Wait(C,M); } unlock(M)Sun Mar 02 1997 02:444
    HP gain the SPECweb96 lead.. (27-Feb-1997)
    ..their K460 DES (4x PA8000) beats our AlphaServer 4100 numbers by 83%!
    
    :(U
571.83PERFOM::PSMITHPaula Smith - CSG Performance GroupSun Mar 02 1997 15:0112
    
    Don't believe everything HP writes in their press releases.  This
    time HP compares their Quad K460 to our UNI 4000/400.  They choose
    to ignore the Dual 4000/466 we annouced at 1544 two weeks ago. That
    would have "let" them beat us by 37%.  
    
    We've already contacted HP about this "style" of marketing - again.
    And we are doing everything we can to get the press release corrected.
    We'll also likely be releasing the SPECweb result for the Quad 4100/466
    - this I hope will make them not want to compare their result to ours.
    
     
571.84The Essence Of Marketing Is Trumpeting The Best ComparisionsXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringThu Mar 06 1997 15:2811
    
:    We've already contacted HP about this "style" of marketing - again.

   I hope we're doing more than just contacting HP...  Particularly
   if this is an "again" issue...

   Put up the text of the current HP announcement, with a short and
   to the point comment including a quad vs quad comparision, then
   put up a marked-as-deliberately-unfair comparision of an antique
   PA box against a current Alpha, and let the customers see it...