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267.0. "Advice Needed about Children Changing Custody" by TERZA::ZANE (Imagine...) Thu Jun 17 1993 13:39

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I need some advise.   Back in February, my husbands 17 year old twin sons
told their mom they wanted to move in with us.  Of course, she had a fit, but
finally she gave in....packed their bags and let them take their furniture.
For the first two months, she returned the child support payments that
we had automatically deposited into her account.  My husband told her
that he was going to have it reversed back to his.  I told him I didn't
think he should do it without getting it done legally but he changed it
anyway.  After they had been with us a few months, she asked them to please
move back with her...told them she would have her boyfriend move out if
they would move back in.  They told her they were happy where they are and
they would like to stay with us.  She told them we had brainwashed them,
etc....apparantly, she only let them leave thinking they would hate living
with us and would want to move back in with her.  So anyway, my husband
filed a request for modification to child support and custody changed
based on this fact.   He is representing himself pro se.  We paid the
sherriff's fee and had the papers served to her.  Yesterday, we got a
reply from her lawyer.  Basically, her lawyer is asking the court to drop
the complaint for modification based on the fact that my husband has placed
her under duress.  What do you all think about that?  The kids are willing
to go to court and tell the judge where they want to live.  About a month
ago, she sent the kids a notarized letter telling them she would not 
interfere in their lives and would not financially support them either...
nice huh?  She didn't even show up at their graduation ceremony either.

My basic fear is that the courts will feel sorry for her, drop the complaint
and she will try to get back child support.....she feels that it was fair
to pay her when they lived with her, but that she shouldn't have to pay
us or at least have us not pay her when they are living with us.  I refuse
to dish out $1,500 for a lawyer, but I'm getting nervous about this.
This woman will go to any extreme to get what she wants.  She is the most
destructive, vindictive, miserable person I have ever met in my life.

Does anyone out there have any advise, ideas, support????  The kids do not 
want to go back there or be forced to go back there by the courts.  They will
be 18 in December and it really is ridiculous at this point to not let
them decide where they want to live.  By the way, both of their grades
in school improved this semester when they lived with us.

I would appreciate any advise anyone has to give.  

Thanks

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267.1File an objection to the motion for dismissalCSC32::K_HYDESay NO to The New World OrderThu Jun 17 1993 18:4912
    This sounds a lot like a case that happened to a co-worker of mine a
    few years ago.  He won it hands down.  He was the fellow Digit who
    recommended Nat Denman to me.
    
    1) Don't be afraid of the lawyer's duress argument.  File an objection
       and ask for specifics.  
    
    2) Do you belong to a Fathers' Rights group?  If so, get into their
       Pro-Se study group.  
    
    
                                      Kurt
267.2Advice is cheapAKOCOA::BROWN_KKEN BROWN DCC/CIS DESKTOP CONSULTANTThu Jun 17 1993 19:2148
	If the children want to testify in their behalf, then I would highly
	recommend it.  They are not at an age where their testimony can be
	misconstrued as coercion or bribery on the part of their father.

  	If they are unable to attend, have them document their intentions and 
	rationale for moving in. It would be to their advantage to document 
	beforehand their intentions to remain with your husband.  As a 
	comparison of grades from school showing improvement is also
 	taken into consideration.  

	In my situation I fowarded copies of my children's (ages at the
	time were 11 and 9) letters to the ex's lawyer, and the family 
	services officer.  The children were willing to go to court and
	speak directly to the Judge concerning their intentions, which was
	also documented within their letters. Because of the possible trauma
	of going to court, the letters were adequate, and my children did
	not have to attend.  The trauma was suffered by their mother. 

	Duress on the part of the mother is usually hard to compete against.
	However, in your case you have the letter with informing them she 
	would not interfere with their life, and would not provide any 
	financial support for them.  Plus the missing of the graduation 
	ceremony.  From what has been documented by you, it seems the 
	charge of duress has swung from the mother to the twins. So I would
	push for dismissal.

	Best recommendation is to stay unemotional with this entire
	affair, easier said than done and I realize it.  But cooler
	heads prevail in most situations.

	Now on some of the other issues.  I would recommend some form
	of advice.  This advice can come in either legal or a support
	group in the area.  If you don't want to go through a lawyer
	as you have circumvented in the past, get in contact with a local
	support group.  	  

	I've been a custodial parent for two and a half years, and I get 
	no financial support for either of my children, from my ex-wife.
	I doubt if I ever will, as she pleads poverty when I send her copies
	of medical bills for the children.  So I continue to plug along and
	only concentrate on the kids.

	From a true gut feeling, If you get some good support or advice
	from the support group, I think you will come out okay.

	ken 

267.3More .02BRAT::MCCLELLAN_WTue Jun 22 1993 17:2844
    I agree with .2.
    
    Don't get too caught up in the legal wranglings.  Remember that the
    system is self-perpetuating.  Therefore, the ex can file all the
    motions she wants.  That doesn't mean the court will award her
    anything.  In point of fact, your husband can also do the reverse and
    file for support, even if it is for only a few months.  Heed the 
    advice in .2 to stay cool.  She is trying to find the right button to
    push; don't have one.  It's all a game - a serious one, but a game
    nonetheless.  There appears to be some sour grapes here, so she wants
    you to spend some money, if not on her, then on the system.
    
    You are correct to document, document, document, document, document.
    Based on what has been relayed so far, I'd say she is on very weak
    ground.  Her letter stating no support is meaningless, and in some
    courts, could be interpreted as a direct challenge, which the courts
    frown upon, and get rather nasty about.  If your husband pushes the
    issue, and the court agrees, rest assured, she will pay.
    
    I see two risks here.  The first is not going through the court to
    discontinue support payments.  The court may or may not wish to 
    address that issue.  In many cases, the court does take into account
    circumstances, especially if the father, in this case, has consistently
    fulfilled his financial duty, been close to his children, etc.
    
    The second risk has to do with entering the arena without a lawyer.
    If you can get sound advice without one, as suggested in .2, then
    that is your cheapest route without sacrificing a favorable outcome.
    If you are unable to obtain such advice, then a lawyer may be a 
    consideration.  
    
    I would not look forward to an easy resolution to the issue.  It
    appears the ex is going to do all her money will allow her to do to
    make things miserable for all concerned.  Try not to let it get to
    you, and expect a long siege.  At the same time, continue on with 
    your lives.  Let her anger consume her, not you.
    
    Lastly, as for the most rotten person you've ever met, I can assure you
    given the opportunity to meet my ex, your husband's ex  will place a 
    distant second.
    
    Good luck.
    
    Bill