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Title:Welcome to the Non-Custodial Parents Conference
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Moderator:MIASYS::HETRICK
Created:Sun Feb 25 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:420
Total number of notes:4370

240.0. "Possible for NCP Dad to get custody?" by FXODEV::SEMMEL () Tue Dec 15 1992 16:13

    
         My basic question is, how difficult is it for a NCP dad to get his 
    children from the CP Mom?  I live in Mass, and am engaged to an NCP
    with 2 kids.  She doesn't work, her new husband barely makes $150/wk
    as a farmer, and she's since remarried and had 2 more children with
    her new hubby.  My fiancee pays $600 + per month to CP, but you
    wouldn't know it to see his kids.  The way they're dressed, etc... They
    get mostly worn-out hand me downs, and very few of the luxuries that I
    think these 2 beautiful little girls deserve.  I've been with my 
    fiancee for 4 years, we both make a comfortable living, own our own
    home, and are now engaged to be married.  I believe, if asked, his 2
    girls would say they WOULD want to live with us.  I think we could
    give them so much more than his -ex ever bothers to, and we'd love
    to have the chance.  Does anyone have any "war stories" of custody
    battles by Mass. law, and what the chances are?  Are we out of the 
    "Mom is always the best custodial parent" era?  What type of criteria
    do you need to prove your the best man/woman to raise your kids?  This
    is a battle we would both love to fight, but couldn't take the
    heartache if it's a losing battle.  Besides the fact that his -ex is
    like a snake - bite like heck when they're disturbed!  She'd think
    nothing of using the kids to retaliate, and we don't want that.  Please
    advise....
    
    thanks in advance
     -karen
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240.1Q'sPCCAD::DINGELDEINPHOENIXWed Dec 16 1992 12:021
    How old are the two girls?
240.2AIMHI::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaWed Dec 16 1992 13:025
    Is the ex doing something naughty like dealing drugs? Having sex with
    the farm animals. (sorry to be explicit just trying to get something to
    go in the head of Karen). Is the ex sqandering the money on things like
    good times, fast cars? Personal cloths? Have you been denied visitation
    for no good reasons execpt that they want to be a pain in the tush?
240.3FXODEV::SEMMELWed Dec 16 1992 13:5517
    
    
       To answer .1    The girls are 7 and 8.  I wondered if there
    was an age when they were considered old enough to make such a
    decision as where they want to live.  And to answer .2   That I
    know of, she doesn't do drugs, etc.... I have my own opinions on the
    farm animals, but I'll keep that to myself for reasons of censorship!
    She has denied him access to the kids on a few occasions in the past
    due to her mood that day, 2 of which are on record at a local Police
    station.  And she just generally goes out of her way to make life
    difficult.  It's her nature.  I'd say she could be proven to be a
    "poor" mother, but I'm not sure about "unfit".  I'd call her that, but
    that's only my opinion.  And it's obvious that the support money is
    getting split up for 6 people instead of the 2 it was intended due to
    their career situations - or lack of.
    
      -Karen
240.4can be done, but ain't easyCSC32::HADDOCKDon't Tell My Achy-Breaky BackWed Dec 16 1992 17:2620
    It's pretty difficult.  As a Coloradoan, I am not familiar with PRM
    laws.  I documented my successful battle in Colorado in note 62.
    It can be done, but it's rough.  Usually for the kids to have a say
    in who they want to live with they have to be something like 12 or
    above.  As I keep harping on, Document everything.  Who, what, when,
    where etc.  Keep a journal of this.  It is admissible in court
    (check MASS. law on that thought).   And we are _not_ out of the
    "mom is best" era yet. 

    I'd recommend going to the local public or university library and
    have the librarian in the reference section help you look up the
    Mass. laws one child custody and change of custody.  Won't cost
    you anything, but should give you a starting point.

    If she is denying visitation, use the journal and other evidence
    and witnesses to have her held in contempt.  This will not go good
    for her if/when it comes to custody.

    fred();
240.5?PCCAD::DINGELDEINPHOENIXThu Dec 17 1992 16:119
    The legal age that a minor can actually request to live with either
    parent is 14 in Mass. 
    Unfortunately the system is not concerned with who is the best parent.
    Once custody is granted during the divorce it is a monumental effort to
    reverse the decision. Only proving abuse or neglect will give you a
    chance. So if you have solid evidence of gross negligence, physical
    abuse or something along these lines your labor of love will be
    rewarded with court costs,frustration and a good dose of pain.
    
240.6One who has made it in Mass.AKOCOA::BROWN_KKEN BROWN DCC/CIS DESKTOP CONSULTANTThu Dec 17 1992 16:2023
    
    	As everyone states it is difficult, extremely difficult.  But the
    good news is it can be done.  All it takes it patience, time and a
    whole lot of money for legal and court fees.
    
    	I received custody of my children two years ago, and went through
    all the pitfalls and mental set of the Massachusetts Probata/Family
    Courts could dish out.  And let me put it bluntly, we are not even 
    close to the "moms are the correct way to go." mentality.
    
    	I would follow Mr. Haddock's advice about documenting. It is
    definitely a plus when you go through the process.  It would help
    to get an independant psychological opinion on the progress of the
    children.  Q's from Dan Dingeldein should be addressed and handled.
    Above all, is it in the best interests of the children, as this is
    what the court will be asking.
    
    	Just as a side note, there are more gotchas within the legal 
    system within the State of Massachusetts than you could guess at.
    Make sure you feel comfortable with the lawyers you are working
    with.
    
    			Ken Brown 
240.7good adviceFXODEV::SEMMELSun Dec 20 1992 02:349
    
       Well, thanks to all for the experienced responses. I'm well familiar
    with the stone-age mentality of Massachusetts when it comes to
    children, parenting, etc....  Sounds like that alone could significant
    hurt the odds of success.  Well, lots more, as you've all said... time,
    thought, and investigation seem to be the next step.
    
    thanks again,
    -K
240.8AIMHI::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaTue Jan 19 1993 14:525
    Karen,
    
    How are the stone aged folks of Mass doing? YOu getting anywhere
    besides frustrated? Has the ex done anything good lately like smoke
    roadkill infront of the kids?:)