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Conference quokka::non_custodial_parents

Title:Welcome to the Non-Custodial Parents Conference
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Moderator:MIASYS::HETRICK
Created:Sun Feb 25 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:420
Total number of notes:4370

214.0. "CHILD SUPPORT REVIEW?" by PCCAD2::DINGELDEIN (PHOENIX) Wed Jun 03 1992 18:22

    Has anyone information regarding a review of the child support laws in
    mass in response to the dead-beat-dad mania going on these days. A
    friend told me he was listening to Brudnoy on the radio and it seems
    the attourney generals office is "surprised" at how much money these
    guys allegedly owe the DOR.
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214.1Colorado Child Support CommissionCSC32::HADDOCKSaddle RozinanteThu Oct 05 1995 11:4780
    
    Last night was a meeting of the Colorado Child Support Commission in
    Pueblo, Co.  I attended.  Some of the point's I hit on:

    Support:
    Support guidelines are too high.  I can support my kids _and_ send them
    to private school for less than I would be required to pay under the 
    guidelines.

    Accountability:
    Need more accountability from CP that the CS payments actually go to
    support the kids.  When the CP claims that all they can find is a 
    minimum wage job (if any), and your kids continually show up hungry,
    dirty, and in rags while the CP is driving a new car, it's not hard
    to figure most of the "support" is not reaching the children.

    Welfare:
    What is the difference in "deadbeat dad" and "welfare mother".  Do
    not both have the responsibility to work and support their kids?
    I lambasted one woman who was crying about her deadbeat ex and how
    her current husband had to support her kids.  Where was _her_ 
    responsibility to support her kids?

    Even after mother is off of welfare, Social Services will continue
    to confiscate child support payments until all back payments owed
    them are caught up.  Children receive nothing until back payments
    to Social Services are caught up.

    Married:
    In Colorado, if a man is married and the wife gets pregnant by any
    means, even artificial insemination or another man, the husband is
    held responsible for the child.  This is WRONG!

    College:
    It is discriminatory to make divorced parents provide "support" for
    college while married parents are not.  There should be some proof
    provided that the child is actually enrolled, attending classes, and
    making grades.

    Visitation:
    Visitation is the CHILD'S RIGHT as well as the NCP's right.  There 
    should be more penalties for violation of visitation.  States will
    support collection of CS but not enforce visitation.  States will
    not extradite CP from another state for contempt of court.  Yet they
    will support other states child support orders.

    Custody:
    It may be time to consider giving custody of children to parents who
    are willing and able to support the children.  Colorado law says that
    custody is to go the parent who serves the best interest of the child,
    but for some reason that is still considered to be the mother in the
    vast majority of cases.

    Deadbeats:
    Penalties for being one dollar short are the same as not paying at all.
    One man said he had been two dollars short on his payment and it cost
    $750 to get the record straightened out.  So if you can't pay full
    amount, why pay anything?
    
    Collections:
    More "deadbeat parents" would be willing to pay if there was more:
    	1) Enforcement of Visitation
    	2) Accountability of CP for support
        3) Guidelines were less punitive and more to what a person could
           pay and still maintain a standard of living.
	4) Incentives for making at least partial payment.
    
    Many of these points were echoed by several of the other attendees.

    Social Services (Human Services) took a lambasting from both sides.
    One man there said he has quit Social Services because of all the B.S.

    No lawyers or judges were in attendance.

    We may have made at least one impact.  State Senator Gigi Dennis, who
    was at the meeting, said, on the radio this morning, that more had to
    be done to collect child support  _and_ to make sure support paid was
    actually reaching the  children.

    fred();
214.2MKOTS3::RAUHI survived the Cruel SpaThu Oct 05 1995 12:215
    They had one of those in Manchester a couple of years ago. What a horra
    show. It was a foram to talk to the walls to where no one listened....
    And the adjenda was already casted before you went in to talk.
    
    
214.3CSC32::HADDOCKSaddle RozinanteThu Oct 05 1995 12:5114
    I was at one of those here in Co. a few years ago.  It's one of those
    things you just have to keep pounding your head against.  Last night
    the NCP's were more heavily represented than there were CP's
    complaining about collections.  

    Last night we may have made some small progress.  At least there is
    a State Senator at least giving lip service about making sure the 
    _child_ support goes to the child and not into the coffers of
    Social Services or to the CP's new car.  One small step on a 
    journey of a thousand miles.

    And as they say: You know what not trying at all will win you.
    
    fred();
214.4QUOKKA::25109::USPB_ROLLINSform...Thu Oct 05 1995 17:1510
    Thanks for posting that...It's nice to see that some
    progress is being made and there is some hope.
    
    beth
    P.S. My SO's ex not only bought a NEW car but also managed
    to get him to pay the insurance - for life!  Oh...it was
    insurance for a MINIMUM of one vehicle...and the kids have
    no place to call home - nice priorities some people have 
     =:O