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    attractively fitting (thought not too tight) jeans.
    button-down white shirt.
    
    black shoes or boots.
    
    

    re .1, Yeah, that sounds pretty good to me, too.
    
    I, also, like colored button-down shirts with jeans.  Shirts with
    unusual patterns, like Tom Petty wears on stage.  I, also, like vests.
    
    Three rock performers that I think always dress well on stage are:
    Tom Petty
    Keith Richards
    Bob Dylan
    
    Bruce Springsteen, on the other hand, has always been worth a second
    look while wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
    
    Lorna
    
    ps - I also like the leather vest with no shirt under, that Bono used
    to wear.  (very sexy.)  :-)
    
    Also - definitely like earrings on men, longish hair, and chains or
    things around the neck with crosses or whatever on them.
    

    Dillon looks like he sleeps in his cloths! Tom is cought in the 60's
    and Keith.... I will keep my coments to myself.:) But thats
    rock&roll!:) Perhaps we could all dress like rock stars, in those
    streach tight spandex pants with tiger print or zebra print.:) Esp
    with my donelopbelly. What a donelopbelly? Its when my belly done lops
    over the belt.:) 

    re .3, well, if Tom Petty is stuck in the '60's, I certainly wouldn't
    mind being stuck there with him!  :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    
    Your milelage may vary with what I like as I am a product of my age.
     
    Jeans tight enough to show off a well-defined tush, but not so tight as
    to point out a "dunlop" problem, and for me, anything to nothing on top. 
    Shoes are optional.  However, a t-shirt with something patently
    offensive to me on it is a definite turn-off. 
    
    Enough clean hair that I feel I can get my hands into it, minimum
    collar length, but I prefer shoulder length or longer.  Facial hair is
    a plus, but if it isn't there then the face needs to be smooth; I don't
    like bristles.
    
    Earrings, jewelry, and tatoos are optional, and it depends on what they
    are as to whether or not they are a turn-on.  
    
    Meg

    I have yet to see a guy, any guy, look bad in a tux. 
    
    After that, it varies.  On the guy, on the situation, on my mood
    towards the guy, etc.
    
    
    kim

    .6
    
    Kim, what's a Tux? 
    
    heck, if that what it is, i'll get 10 of Tuxes as long as i know what
    it is.
    
    thanks!
    
    \nasser

    tux = tuxedo, /nasser.  Turns men right into sex objects, it does.  :)
    
    kim

    \nasser, wear a tux to work and I guarantee you, every woman's eyes will
    be on you.

    - Jim

    Of course he'll think every woman wants him when he keeps hearing them 
    say to one another, " get him.";)

     Jim

    lets see... i guess it depends on the occasion..if its just a casual
    weekend then of course cool looking jeans with a nice casual shirt or
    sweatshirt looks good and good sneakers..not the Mr. Rogers kind if ya
    know what i mean. 
    
    for a night-on-the-town, dancing etc..then definately slightly baggy
    dress pants and obviously matching shirt with or without suspenders,
    dress shoes  and don't hold back on the gel (we're talking GQ here)
    
    I find black dressy shirts kinda sexy...don't wear a lot of gold chains
    though!   tight jeans are out also. 

    and of course, lets not forget the other "night occasion" , which 
    calls for calvin klein briefs  OR silk boxer shorts (women can wear
    these too! ;-)   so next time you're at Filenes, get TWO pairs. 
    
    the International Male magazine has lots of great stuff. 
    

    Let's see...
    
    Dress look:
    
    A fit man in a well tailored suit.  Nicely polished dress shoes.
    Perfectly matching socks (not plain color, argoyle(?)).  Clean
    fingernails, nice hair style.  Amount of hair doesn't matter as
    long as it ... well I can't explain it.
    
    Casual look:
    
    A fit man (of course) in a nice pair of snug jeans with a crisp
    white (or colored) button down shirt.  I also like plain white
    (colored) t-shirts.  Not tight (except around the bulging arms).
    
    

    Re .13
    
    What defines fit?  Would a man who is healthy but was born with, say,
    spina bifida or pectus excavatum qualify if he's clean and nicely
    dressed?
    
    -dick

    Why worry? Afraid of making Mr. Blackwell's "Ten Worse Dressed"? 
    Seen any perfectly dressed women lately?

    let's hear men's views on perfectly dressed women!      

re: .15:

	> Why worry? 

I'm not, really.  I just care how I look.  I take pride in my appearance, but 
I'm never sure what subset of what's being pushed by the marketeers (L.L.Bean
to International Male and everything in between) is what women *really* like to
see on men.  For example, I never knew tuxedos have a strong appeal, nor did I
know that jeans and a white shirt do. 

Given the choice of wearing what *I* think looks good and wearing what *women* 
have told me looks good, I'll always choose the latter.  Okay, I'll admit it, 
I'd rather own clothes that, on me, catch a woman's eye than those that don't. 

	> Afraid of making Mr. Blackwell's "Ten Worse Dressed"? 

Uh... not hardly.  The portion of my paycheck that finds its way to the
catalogs, the men's stores, the tailor down the street from work, etc. is not
insignificant.  

	> Seen any perfectly dressed women lately?

I'm not sure what the relevance of this question to the matter at hand is.
My desire to look my best is in no way linked to (or reinforced by) how 
attractively-dressed I personally perceive the women around me to be.  If 
you're inferring that the number of well-dressed women in the immediate area 
should mandate how *I* dress, well, I'm sorry, but I'm a little more 
independent than that.

Apart from all the above, if you had your druthers, would you rather work 
with women dressed in potato sacks or with women dressed attractively?  Now 
turn the tables.  Would women rather work and associate with men dressed in 
greasy overalls and torn T-shirts or with men dressed in what women prefer to 
see them in?  Jeez, if we all just made a little bit more of an effort...

re .16: How 'bout if I start a new topic?  (And thanks for your replies!)

- craig

    I haven't replied here before because I really don't have a strong
    preference for what men wear; if I find the individual interesting and
    attractive, I'll generally find that I like what he's wearing. [If I
    haven't yet found an individual wearing an ill-fitting and stained
    polyester leisure suit attractive, well, it _might_ be coincidence...]
    I seldom go "Oh, my!" solely because of a man's apparel, though I'll
    admit that the guy strolling down Main St. in Nashua wearing a boa
    constrictor casually draped over his shoulders did catch my eye. [I
    think the guy was wearing jeans-and-t-shirt as well, but I think
    anything would have been dandy when accessorized by a very large
    snake.]
    
    Re .17:
>Given the choice of wearing what *I* think looks good and wearing what *women* 
>have told me looks good, I'll always choose the latter.  
    
    See, my theory about clothing is that I'd rather wear what _I_ think
    looks good and hope that it attracts the attention of men who think I
    look good in it - or who don't care how I look any more than I do. If I
    try to dress to the standards of others, my feeling is that I'll be
    less comfortable than I would be dressing to my own standards, and if I
    attact anyone it's more likely to be someone who prefers those "other"
    standards - and thus someone with whom I may not be able to be
    "comfortable" in future. [This is my fashion algorithm; others' mileage
    may vary.]
    
>Would women rather work and associate with men dressed in 
>greasy overalls and torn T-shirts or with men dressed in what women prefer to 
>see them in?  Jeez, if we all just made a little bit more of an effort...
    
    Depends what I'm doing. When I was working on the ranch, driving the
    wheel-rake, I (and everyone else on the crew) wore greasy jeans (if
    they didn't start out that way they got that way by the end of the day)
    and shirts (which generally also ended up greasy and sometimes torn -
    that hay'll get ya). And I thought we all looked really, really cool.
    
    Admittedly, the smell of axle grease isn't my favorite perfume (but
    then, I don't like perfume); as a software engineer, I wear un-torn
    (usually) and un-greasy (unless I had potato chips at lunch) jeans, and
    a relatively clean shirt-of-the-day, and seldom notice what my
    co-workers are wearing, unless their T-shirt has a singularly
    impressive quip on it...
    
    -b

>    See, my theory about clothing is that I'd rather wear what _I_ think
>    looks good and hope that it attracts the attention of men who think I
>    look good in it - or who don't care how I look any more than I do. 

    I'm with you 100%. Why attract someone who's interested in someone that
    you are not? Now this doesn't mean I don't wear things that my wife
    likes me in. I still will not wear something I don't like. But I will
    tend to wear the things we both like me in more then things that just
    I like me in.

    			Alfred

    re .19, I agree.  I definitely dress to please *me* but I always
    feel good when other people seem to like what I'm wearing, too, and I
    feel bad if other people stare at what I'm wearing, as though I was
    from another planet or something.
    
    Lorna
    

    re .14
    
    By "fit" I mean someone who takes care of there body exercise wise.  
    
    I go along with the last few replies.  I dress to please me.  I have
    no one to impress except myself.
    
    So..give me a pair of jeans, a loose shirt and some work boots and
    I'm ready to start the day!
    
    Brenda

    oh well...I'll bite...
    
    the models in the Undergear and International Male catalogues look
    *really* good...
    
    Daniel

    re .23, yeah, I know...  :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    
    
    I think those models might be called "eye-candy".  But, do they have
    brains?  (And, do I care?)
    
         GJD

    in Torch SOng Trilogy
    
    Harvey Fierstein to Matthew Broderick passed out on his couch:
    
    If you have an IQ above 50 there is no God!
    
    ;-)
    
    Daniel

    re .26, that's one of my favorite lines from a movie.  :-)
    
    (Especially since I totally agree about Matthew Broderick)
    
    Unfortunately, I've seen Matthew Broderick interviewed, and it seemed
    clear to me that his IQ was above 50, so....   :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    
    
    Another M. Broderick fan!!!!  Swoooooooooooooooooooooon.
    
             GJD

.23> the models in the Undergear and International Male catalogues look
.23> *really* good...

I'm not familiar with either of these publications but I can imagine what
you're talking about .. just remember ... I have each and every attribute
that these "models" have.  Just that on me those attributes are arranged
somewhat differently.  Besides .. wimmins like real men as opposed to these
"drugstore models".
    
.27> Unfortunately, I've seen Matthew Broderick interviewed, and it seemed
.27> clear to me that his IQ was above 50, so....   :-)

His IQ may be well above 50 but I've had the occasion to meet him in person.
He has a "personality quotient" of about -10.  The most stuck-up, smug,
snot that I've ever in my life had the displeasure of meeting.

Bubba

I get the I.M. catalogs, too.  I'm jealous of those bodies, but let's face it, 
those guys put a LOT of work into how they look.  They didn't get it (and they 
can't keep looking that way) for free!  

Anyway, we can choose clothes that accentuate our good points.  For example,
I'm slim due to a historically-high metabolism, and tall and small-boned, so I
tend towards "big" shirts, "big" sweaters, and double-breasted suits (or if
single-breasted, not cut too close).  Also, I try to wear lighter colors
because they're supposed to make you look "bigger." 

My Dad, on the other hand, is short and squat, so if he wears sweaters they're 
usually not too bulky.  His shirt collars have a narrow spread, his ties are a 
little narrower than usual, and he wears mostly darker colors so as not to look 
too "beefy."  You get the idea...

Anyway, back to I.M.... I wish they'd offer those small non-patterned (plain-
color) silk boxers again.  Several years ago they had them -- they were great
because they didn't have all this extra material that would bunch up under your
pants and make you look as if you had some kind of dermatology problem on your
buns -- they fit really close.  I wish I'd bought more than just the 2 pairs
that I did at the time.  I.M. still has silk boxers that look as though they
have about the same cut, *except* they've all got those leopard and zebra
patterns now.  Call it being overly self-conscious, but I don't think I'd be
able to get more than one leg into those before I fell down laughing.  :-) 

- craig

    i never found lots of muscles on women attractive any way, i like
    more the Marline monro type of body and look, but again i doubt any
    of these women body builders will ask me for my opinion on this,
    it bet must be healthy though to be like that.

    i hear muscles is good for you too.

    \bye
    \nasser

    re 31. "honkers"  tsk-tsk, such an un-PC word!  I thought all that
    counted was if women had honkers.  Now you tell me they have to be
    real?  
    
    Lorna
    

    RE: .-1

    Do most men really think a woman's breast size is that important?

    Personally, I don't give a hoot or a care how big a woman's "honkers" are.
    My last girlfriend had a double-A brasize. (It was actually kind of neat
    because the only times she wore a bra were when it was "expected," like
    when she wore an evening gown.)

    - Jim    

    NAsser,

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Women's bodies are the works of
    master artist. See Rome, see your local art gallery. To me, the turn on
    is a woman with a slinky black dress, and some good upper back and a
    plunging back line. :)


    At one time, women who were alittle plump, cherub, were the sought
    after. Another time, ones with the long shoveled hair, then curls. No
    wonder they are a confusing group.:) Mens clothing and styles take
    years and decades to change to a woman's with the winds or with the dawn 
    of a new day. I have a home gym with a couple of serious women body
    builders. They are inspiring contestants for local body building shows.

    

    Hi All,
    
    This maybe an old topic but I just thought that I would add to it.  I
    personally make such that I have clean hair, nails etc. and comfortable
    clothing that is smart.
    
    Linen, silk, jeans, woolen and cotton fabrics are what I like.  Good
    comfortable shoes both formal and informal.  I personally don't really
    worry too much about people say but mostly I find people show some
    interest in what I wear.  I spend my money wisely when I choose cloths
    and I know what looks good on me most of the time.
    
    I don't have any pick up lines if I find someone is an interesting
    person I will take interest.  I dislike falseness so I avoid women who
    don't appeal to me no matter how attractive they are as after a time
    the attractiveness becomes a trap.
    
    I don't dress to kill but to be comfortable and please myself.
    
    Sunil