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    Exactly.  Case closed.  Next question?

    actually nothing is not as interesting as just very little cloths.
    
    \nasser

    Mark this date (4/3/92) in your calendar.
    
    I agree with \nasser!!!!!!

    I know, I know, 4/3/93!
                         ^   I'm an engineer, not a typist!  ;-)

    Hell, pilgrim .. if we would all subscribe to nudism we could save a
    tremendous amount of money on clothes!  Not only that but all the 
    "foreplay" prior to sex .. all the time wasted in this game of slowly
    removing clothes .. could be avoided .. not to mention cleaning
    bills .. and laundry  .. and folding clothes .. packing for trips,
    packing to return .. unpacking .. luggage .. worrying if your "in
    style" .. all the crap associated with clothes.

    Bubba

    .-1

    not every one has a great body like some of us have, that is why
    i think cloths were invented, to hide things.

    i also think that cloth can give your personality away, i say a woman
    who wears a trouser is one who out going type, but one who wears
    a dress is more into talk and music, i also think a woman who wears a hat
    is from the east cost, like new jersey or Cleveland , Ohio and she
    probably likes to read too (fiction and maybe horror movies).

    a woman who wears boots is into rock and roll and michel jackson, but
    one who wears high heals shoes is into dining out in fancy restaurants
    and into musics like bob marly and jazz, i also noticed that a woman who is
    wears tee shirts allot is an open minded woman willing to discuss new
    ideas and horizons and is usually from the west cost like southern
    California. women from the east cost wear more thick cloths
    than the west cost ones (more fabric too).

    a woman who wears a calf around her nick and thick sweaters is into
    the spirit and the self awareness courses.

    i think cloth can give allot about a woman, the above are some of
    my own personal observations on the matter from my experience, may
    be they match your observations too.

    \nasser

    \nasser, clothing was invented to keep the "naked ape" (that's us) warm
    in climates other than that of central Africa.  Modesty came *much*
    later.  But modesty has given great scope to imagination, and sexy is
    90% imagination.
    
    -dick

OK, disclaimer here: everything you read here is "imho."

As 44.11 said, it really does depend on the occasion.  It depends on the 
woman, too.

First of all, "extremes" never have appealed to me, such as:

        - the latest cutting-edge "creations," whatever they may be,
        - ultra-traditional clothes,
        - "I hate my sex" and "existential" clothes (e.g. what's in the
          "Tweeds" catalogs -- can you spell B-O-R-I-N-G ?),
        - too-short or too-long hemlines (except for the long pleated skirts 
          I've been seeing, which are very nice I think, especially in 
          ivory or olive),
        - lots of "clangy" jewelry,
        - "flats" or (at the other end of the spectrum) 4" heels,
        - Spandex,
        - tons of makeup.

For business/office wear: remember the series "Wiseguy" which was about a 
young FBI undercover cop?  Well, there were maybe a half-dozen episodes in 
which Joan Severance played co-starring roles as a major drug trafficker.  I 
remember once she wore a simple nicely-fitted 2-piece grey business suit with 
a slim skirt just above the knee (that suit just screamed "I'm from Italy and
I'm EXPENSIVE"), nice white button-front blouse, classy dull-black pumps,
little or no jewelry as I recall.  Subdued, but absolutely stunning and
unforgettable.  Nothing like a well-tailored suit! 

Casual wear: jeans or tapered-leg pants, nice shoes, light-colored shirt, 
maybe a fine-plaid blazer.

"Cuddling-on-the-couch" wear: shorts and a sheer ribbed tank during the 
summer, as much black or white silk as possible in the winter.

While I'm here, I'll have to agree with Nasser in .3, but Nasser, where in 
the world did you come up with .7?  Gaaaaaad, I almost pulled the monitor 
off the desk, I was laughing so hard!    :-)

- craig

    The title say perfectly "dressed" woman not "undressed" woman. I think
    that in general most people look better with some clothing on. 

    I like women in dresses. I admit to a fondness for long dresses with
    fairly full skirts. Tight clothing often looks uncomfortable and a
    woman who looks (and hopefully feels) comfortable seems more attractive
    then one struggling to walk or to sit.
    
    		Alfred

    I agree that most people look better with clothes on, and besides let's
    not forget that Fashion IS Fun!!!
    
    Lorna
    

    I see that that 70's style is coming back but i wouldn't be caught dead
    wearing it!!!  I"ll stick to "business like" skirts and jackets for
    work, jeans for the weekend, and black leather for nights out! 

    from the perfectly dressed man. My lady of choice is Cher. Why? Look
    how old she is and what she is/isn't wearing.:)

    and on the flip side...
    
    it's kind of odd, the over-dressed, finicky look I think looks great on
    men, I find a nearly 180 degrees opposite look appealing for women. 
    I've always liked a natural, not overdone "look"
    
    Daniel

    Tattoos. Lots of them. Nose rings. Multiple ear rings. Lotta black.
    Platforms about a foot high. Bell-bottoms. Visable, tattered underwear.
    Dyed hair; acceptable colors, black, or anything blatantly artificial.
    Clashing thrift-shop plaids are also acceptable. Skeletal emaciation as
    preferred body-type. Pale, pasty skin that never sees the light of day.
    
    

    re:7 and nasser
    
    >a woman who wears a calf around her nick 
    
    Isn't this rather heavy, even for the east coast?
    
                           

    what the hell is a nick??  
    
    
    never mind...

    re:.13
    
    Amazing what plastic surgery can do these days, huh?
    
    Don't take her out in the sun, she might melt.

    re .15, I think I saw your ideal woman in a 2nd hand record store, in
    Harvard Sq., on Saturday.  Too bad I didn't know.
    
    Lorna
    

    >Tattoos. Lots of them. Nose rings. Multiple ear rings. Lotta black.
    >Platforms about a foot high. Bell-bottoms. Visable, tattered underwear.
    >Dyed hair; acceptable colors, black, or anything blatantly artificial.
    >Clashing thrift-shop plaids are also acceptable. Skeletal emaciation as
    >preferred body-type. Pale, pasty skin that never sees the light of day.
    
    You missed her -- she used to work in one of our LA offices. Only
    difference was, she wasn't emaciated...
    
    					andrew

    re;.19
    
    I could love a woman like that.  For 15 minutes, anyway.

    re .21, so, is that longer than usual for you, or less?  :-)
    
    You didn't say, so I'm just trying to get a perspective...
    
    Lorna
    

    I usually stick around at least until sunrise.

    andrew:
    
    >You missed her -- she used to work in one of our LA offices. Only
    >difference was, she wasn't emaciated...
    
    nah, I work in the same office. I knew Tade. She wore more different
    kinds of black clothing. Very nice lady.
    
    actually, I was joking, there are a million women in the naked city
    of this clothing-type, walk down Hollywood Blvd any evening....
    I like the healthy type, mysself. I live in kinda a trendoid
    neighborhood where the neo-boho look has been strong for the past few
    years, though. I don't know how people stay so pale in LA without
    major league sunblock.
                          
        
    

    i liked women who wear short shorts, they was lots of them in 
    southern California where i went to grad school, i thought they were
    very cute too, i found it very hard for me to get a conversation
    going with them, never figured why, now adays i like the more
    sophisticated look on a women, like the Harvard English literature
    look with nice glasses and the long raised hair and heavy sweaters,
    kind'a like the fall look among the misty trees on a fall autumn morning, 
    it is funny how we change too.

    \bye
    \nasser

>    i liked women who wear short shorts, they was lots of them in 
>    southern California where i went to grad school, i thought they were
>    very cute too, i found it very hard for me to get a conversation
>    going with them, never figured why,

	Try looking them in the eyes rather then below the neck. I have known
	a few women whose eyes were so great that I couldn't concentrate on
	conversation but not many. In that case try the nose or the forehead.
	But if you are trying to have a conversation looking somewhere at the
	face usually makes it better.

			Alfred

    i tried looking in the eyes too. did not work.

    any way too late now to worry over split milk.

    thanks anyway.

    \nasser

>split milk
    
    half-and-half?
    
    

    Interesting topic.  How come men love the way their wife dressed before
    they marry and then they decide that she needs to change and buy a
    whole new wardrobe,  A VERY CONSERATIVE ONE NO LESS.
    
    And, how come men love to check out women that are heavily made up and
    even date a lot of them but when they commit or marry someone they prefer
    the "natural look or no make up at all".
    
    Just the consensus that I have seen...
    
    cj
    

Same as always, some do, some don't.  Generalizations don't get you very
far.

What you're referring to is posessiveness based on insecurity.  It's not
unique to men.

				Steve

    	My wife has very nice legs, and I always like to see as much as
    possible of them, even when we are in company. She never wore much
    makeup, even during the 4 or 5 years I knew her before we married.
    
    	On the other hand, having been married for 25 years I possibly have
    less of an insecurity problem than others.
    
    	She doesn't like to see me partially dressed in company, but she
    says that's because I look disgusting :-)  She's probably right!