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    What's the bets that that is the _only_ time we see _that_ report?
    
    Also has been discussed here before that if you figure in child
    support and taxes paid on pre-child support income, it is the NCP'S 
    standard of living that drops like a rock.
    
    fred();

So....who's got the garbanzos sufficient to cross-post that one in =wn=

;-)

tim

    Why would someone want to pee on an electric fence.:) 
    

    It may be posted if one gets written permission from the 
    source.  

    justme....jacqui
    co-mod =wn=


    

Digital policy does not require permission for articles sourced from outside.
I suppose one could argue about copyright "fair use" considerations - my
take on it is that it is fair use.

					Steve

    
> So....who's got the garbanzos sufficient to cross-post that one in =wn=

    I'd bet the reaction would be something like.  "OK the original report
    was off but the basic premise is still correct. Men are better off and
    women a lot worse off after divorce."  Given the base note a comment
    like that would be fair IMO.  What is the bigger problem ... reporting
    problems in the studies and the media or equitable divorce settlements? 

    Personally I'd like to see enough detail about stuff like the  items in
    .1 so I could form an informed opinion of the situation overall (I know
    lots of anedotes of both sides).                       
                                    
    Greg
    

    Bet you the =wm- files already have a copy.:)
    

        re .6

>    Personally I'd like to see enough detail about stuff like the  items in
>    .1 so I could form an informed opinion of the situation overall (I know
>    lots of anedotes of both sides).                       

    Somebody gave a rundown in one of the other notes in this conference
    a while back on the child support payments and tax burdens.  I don't
    have the time right now to go look it up.  Maybe the person who put
    it in can give a pointer.  Anyway after taking out  all the different
    taxes, child support, auto license, etc, it seems like it boiled down
    that a NCP in Ma. that makes $50K/yr ends up with about $8k/yr to live
    on, and maybe support a second family.

    Just a few intuitive observations:
    Total tax burden on a person's income works out to about 43% by the
    time you figure Federal, FICA, Medicare, State, local, property, sales,
    etc.  Somewhere in May 1-5 (depending on who you're talking to) is 
    "tax freedom day".  That is the amount of time you work since the first 
    of January to pay your taxes.

    Child support is not deductible.  It is tax-free to the NCP.  The CP
    gets the child deductions unless specifically stated in the custody
    orders.  Most states base child support on gross (before tax) income.
    Seems like Ma. is something like 40%,  Colo is based on some dollar
    amount worked out by some formula based on gross income of both
    parents.  But again remember that the money to the CP is tax free.
    So given 40+% tax and 40% "child support".  The NCP is left with
    something like 17%, or $8,500 out of $50,000 in "disposable income".

    And you wondered why you were eating hot-dogs while the ex is driving
    a new car and everyone is telling you how much worse off divorced
    women are than divorced men.  And given that, in most states, being
    one dollar short in the payments is just as bad as not paying at all,
    you wonder why so many men just say "sc%%% it" and walk away, and it's
    getting harder and harder to walk away.

    fred();

    Is this report about the incomes of divorced men versus divorced women, 
    ie no children involved.
    
    If this is the case then it just represents 2 people getting back to 
    supporting themselves, and I don't what it proves other than there is
    still a disparity in pay.
    
    If it purports to represent the average divorce, including those that
    involve children an child support, then I'd love to know where it was
    done because moving there would save me from financial ruin.
    
    Martin   

    Whelp... there are groups that are hell bent on stopping studies to be
    done to show that men wind up sleeping in cars, on couchs, and in tents
    along the Merrimack river.