Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    Perhaps its the oder that comes forth. Rather offensive, I don't like
    to smell the last ten mens pee. So a flush or two helps the nostrils.
    And maybe keeps Digital a cleaner place to work and bio!:)
    
    

    
    
    Speaking only for myself, I always flush if the person before me
    didn't!  I HATE getting splashed with someone else's pee-water!
    
       GJD

    The ones that I wonder about are those who walk into a men's room, 
    wash their hands, use the urinal and then walk out the door.
    
    Bill
    

    Boy, the topics in this file have certainly gone down the toilet...

    Reminds me of a bad joke about two men, one from Yale, the other
    from Harvard, in the mens room. The Harvard man pee's and is about
    to walk out the door, when the Yale man pipes up and says," At Yale,
    we are taught to wash our hands after we go to the toilet."
    To which they Harvard man reply,"At Harvard, we are taught not
    to toilet upon ourselves where we need to wash our hands."  :)

>>>    The ones that I wonder about are those who walk into a men's room, 
>>>    wash their hands, use the urinal and then walk out the door.
    

	My logic behind cleaning my hands prior to urinating is that
I'd rather take a chance on dirtying my hands with my private part than
the other way.  With all the chemicals that are used in industry I often
think that I may possibly spread the substance to my body.

roberto

    Me too.  Besides, my folks taught me not to pee on my hands.
    
    Mike

    Unfortunately, I have noticed that some guys don't seem to know how to
    flush....I see this at public places. How many times have you watched a
    line of guys at a concert or ballpark, using the same urinal and not
    flushing ? It reflects the times, I guess. It's probably too much to expect
    all people to remember to flush after using a public utility. Normally, I
    don't do a 'preflush' unless the guy before me did not...  what a
    subject for a note.....

If you think about it, there's no particular reason to flush every time, and
to do so wastes water.  A lot of the hoopla over water-conserving toilets
would be unnecessary.

I can understand those who flush once before, if the person before them
didn't, though it doesn't bother me; I figure I'll flush for both of us.  But
the repeated flushing has me puzzled.

			Steve

    
    
    The people who don't flush are more annoying than those who do.
    
    My favorite is the guy who pees standing up, into a toilet, but 
    doesn't bother to lift up the seat, leaving his mark behind, as it
    were, all over the seat.
    
    Weirdest urinals:
    
    the ones that flush via the user breaking the beam of light; some
    rest stop on the Ohio Turnpike. Probably doesn't waste much water.
    There were about 30 in a row.
    
    The very weirdest:
    
    Also an electric eye urinal that wastes much water, in the men's room
    at the Madonna Inn outside San Luis Obispo. After using what looks like
    a large tile-lined fireplace, surrounded by a rustic, rocky exterior,
    I stepped back, and, lo and behold, a water-fall comes rolling 
    down the wall and into the fireplace/urinal. It was so impressive that 
    I went out and dragged my girlfriend into the otherwise empty restroom 
    to witness this marvel of engineering.
    
    The Madonna Inn is, uh, unique. 
    
    
    

    I learned very rapidly in college that the general axiom is:
    
    if it ain't solid, most guys won't flush it.
    
    leading to that all fun dorm contest: can you hold your breath long
    enough to use the public rest room?
    
    Daniel

    	   Once while sitting in a stall in WFO contemplating what makes
    the world go round, a fellow came in to use the urinal and flushed it 8
    times while he was using it.  Never could figure that one out.

    Joe

    SOme people find the sound of running water inspiring ;-)

    
    	If it's brown flush it down. If it's yellow let it mellow.
    	That's what they teach in some first grade classes to help
    	conserve water.
    
    	-I.P.-
    

>>>    The ones that I wonder about are those who walk into a men's room, 
>>>    wash their hands, use the urinal and then walk out the door.
    
    Wash dirty hands before touching other parts that are still clean?
    Then don't soil your hands.
    
    		Alfred

    > "If it's yellow let it mellow."

    	That was the phrase a huge public service campaign used to
    	conserve water in the San Francisco area. It shocked me to see it
    	in that public of a way (I think that was the point). It challenged
    	my view of what is accepted American public behavior. I was raised
    	in an environment where a flush after is ingrained to become
    	subconscious reflex. It was hard for me NOT to flush there because
    	the reflex had become automatic (and I'd get consternation from
    	friends there for being a "water pig"). 

    	The view of "it's sterile, it's sanitary, and it's OK for it to
    	stand there for a long while" is still somewhat of a challenge 
    	for me even though it conflicts with my green desire for 
    	resource conservation (esp. water). Must be that anal-retentive 
    	European upbringing again... :-)
                                                    
    	-Erik

When NYC had a water emergency in the '70s or early '80s, Ed Koch used
the "if it's brown... if it's yellow..." rhyme.

    I think that the repeat flushers are trying to make cover noise.  Its
    not that others will be fooled into thinking that maybe they are taking
    a shower rather than uninating (smile) but the noise of the flush will
    cover up their bio noise.  At least thats what I assume.  Cleanlness
    is probably an advantage.  Perhaps they should install white noise
    generators (a tape of ocean surf maybe) in restrooms?  It might save
    some water. 
    
    You guys are busy washing your hands after using the toilet while
    someone who DIDN'T wash leaves ahead of you.  Then along comes a
    hand washer and graps the dirty door handle.....
    
    Mens' room etiquete is interesting (similiar to elevator etiquete) in
    some ways.  That is do not look at the other people in the elevator.
    It IS acceptable to look at the floor level indicator with intense
    interest though.
    
    Rule 1:  NEVER look at someone who is engaged in a bio function.
    
    People are funny.
    
    Jeff
    

    Reminds me of another bad joke:
    
    A friend of mine wet to see Rodney Dangerfield at the Chatto Deville
    sometime ago. Was standing at a unrinal, and Rodney walks in......
    And parks next to him! What do you say? What do you do? Welp....
    He didn't know if it was a proper place to ask Rodney for an
    Autograph. Besides he has his hands full. So,,,, he glanced with
    his eyes at Rodneys, and look at him with a side look and said,
    "Hey! No wounder you can't git no respect!":)

    re .19, well, this really happened.  Several years ago when Huey Lewis
    & The News had a popular album out (Sports I think), I was with a
    friend at a club, and my friend (a guy) went to the men's room.  He was
    using the urinal when he realized that the man standing next to him was
    Huey Lewis.  He told me about it when he came back to the table.  He
    said he looked over and said, "Hey!  Aren't you?  Hey, you're Huey
    Lewis!"  And, Huey said, "Yup, that's right.  Now you can go back and
    tell your friends, 'I saw Huey Lewis take a leak!'"  When he told me I
    said, "My god!  Did you get his autograph?"  My friend just look at me
    and made a face, so I said "Why *not*?"  And, he said, "The man was
    going to the toilet!"   :-)
    
    Well, I was impressed at the time.  :-)  Afterall, I've never seen a
    famous woman in a public restroom!
    
    Lorna
    

    Continuing the "brush with greatness in the men's room" rathole...

    When I was in New York a few months ago to see the off-Broadway
    production of "Breaking Legs" (which is playing in Boston now, by the
    way), I saw someone in the men's room during intermission who looked an
    awful lot like the man who played the principal in Room 222.  I didn't
    want to stare at him, but I did look his way several times while we
    standing were in line outside the restroom, trying to figure out if it
    really was him (he appeared to have aged since the early seventies, and
    I hadn't seen him since that show was on the air).  Both of us left the
    restroom at about the same time, and then I overheard him telling
    someone that he had just flown in from California and saw that "Karen"
    was in the play (that was Karen Valentine), and that he was going to
    pay her a visit after the show.  So obviously my guess was correct.  I
    might have asked him to autograph my playbill, but I was too
    embarrassed over the fact that I forgot his name.

    -- Mike

>    I think that the repeat flushers are trying to make cover noise.

 Could be an attempt to overcome "stage fright".

>>    I think that the repeat flushers are trying to make cover noise.

> Could be an attempt to overcome "stage fright".

I think the official term is "shy kidney"...

    So, what is the genesis of the "shy kidney" or "stage fright en
    pissoir" syndrome, anyway?
    
    Mike

 re: "stage fright"

 The sudden inability to begin urinating while standing up at a urinal which
is generally instigated by the arrival of someone else at an adjacent urinal.

 I first heard this term when a fraternity brother related a story of
him getting it at a BB King concert. Apparently, the line was very long
and he had to go really bad. When he finally got to the front of the line,
a large black man ran into the bathroom with his girlfriend trailing behind,
tore open a door to a stall and evicted the occupant. Apparently the commotion
caused the bladder control muscle to tighten up, and he couldn't go. Then the
guy started hassling him, telling him to hurry up as he had to go too. My
friend just zipped it up and went later. :-)

       About ten years ago I had the good fortune to spend an evening with
       George Blanda, former NFL great.  George told me a lot of stories
       that night but the relevant one here was about how cheap George
       Hallis was (former owner of the Chicago Bears where George played most
       of his career).  George said he was standing at the urinal one night
       after a game with another player (Butkus?).  George Hallis came in
       smoking his cigar and when he pulled his hand out of his pocket a
       dime flipped into the urinal.  He looked at the dime and then turned
       first to Blanda and then to Butkus.  He then looked back at the dime
       and pulled a half dollar coin out of his pocket and threw it into
       the urinal and said "Ya' know guys, for a dime I wouldn't; but for
       sixty cents ..."

       patrick

    I have heard that urine was sterile however,
    
    I worked with a faculty member who had hepatitis.  He told
    me the doctor said he could come to school if he always
    flushed the toilet after going.  Somehow I got the implication
    that even flushing urinals was important.  Since then if I
    see an unflushed urinal, I flush before and after.
    
    When I make pit stops on a bike ride ("Just checking out the
    flora and fauna") I don't worry about flushing.
    
    When I was in Japan I read an articale that said the average
    Japanese woman -- with an American toilet -- flushed 2.5 times
    while urinating so that the rest of the house could not hear her.
    
    ed

    Some men seem to discharge into the urinal other bodily fluids besides
    urine.  I am referring to those who walk up to the urinal, emit a very
    loud hocker, and then while peeing spit several times into the porcelain.

    -- Mike

>    I have heard that urine was sterile however,

 It is sterile upon exit from the body, however, it does provide an
excellent medium for all sorts of nasties when it sits around for awhile.

    My father, who spent many summers as a geologist in all parts of
    Alaska, told me that the Eskimos would urinate on minor wounds to help
    them heal in the cold climate.
    					- Vick

    It makes sense to me that the urine from a healthy person is sterile,
    otherwise one would have an infection, right?   I suppose there are
    exceptions such as with hepetitis.  I agree that urine does make an
    excellent medium for growing critters but thats AFTER its out of the
    body and ones immune system isn't keeping things cleaned up.  Its news
    to me that one might be able to catch hepetitis from using an unflushed
    urinal.... is my supposition correct or is the transmission from
    TOUCHING handles which infected persons touched? 
    
    And, yes I have heard of urinating on infected wounds to help heal
    them.  There was a recent book on fishing for Alaskan King Crabs
    in which a fisherman had serious boils on his hands.  The cure under
    those primative conditons was to urinate on his hands, which, he said
    seemed to cure the boils.  
    
    So now we have no further need for the purchase of ointments to help
    clear up external infections, right?  Smile
    
    Jeff
    

    	I've always flushed after using a urinal, usually I flush prior to
    using one. As far as men leaving urine behind, I've always found that
    women tend to clog up the two toilets in my house leaving behind a dark
    and dank toilet along with six pounds of toilet paper.
    
    	The guys that amaze me are the ones who stroll up to the urinal,
    unzip and stand doing business with both hands on their hips.
    
    	I like to walk in and yell "WHOA.....the waters cold today!!!"
    It's a male respect thing according to Billy Crystal...
    
    Ken

    Yeah, the water sure is cold today.  Deep, too.  :-)
    
    Mike

 On a fishing boat, in 500' of water, two fishermen are peeing over the side- 

 Fisherman 1: "Boy that water's cold"

 Fisherman 2: "Bottom's kinda rocky, too!"

    Or.......
    
    Can someone give me a hand.......??? My doctor told me not pick up
    anything weighing over 3 pounds.....8^)
    
    K

    urine..  The Greeks used it as a hair bleach (trying for golden
    'Alexander' tresses) and to (yuck) whiten the teeth.
    
    karl

    The Romans used it as a bleach for washing linens.  - Vick

    	I run this site and men never flush in D.C.  Women always clogg up the
    toilet.
    	I notice that my roomate flushes the whole time he in the bathroom,
    I suppose he doesn't want to hear.

    I hope you urinal flushers never get over here to the UK.
    
    They don't have flushing urinals in this country.
    
    Perhaps it's because when people throw cigarette ends in, it makes them
    too wet to smoke :-)
    
    Anyway - if you do get over, you'd better learn to whistle to cover up
    the noise. 
    
    Might help you to go, too. :-)
    
    
    andy

    If you don't have urinals what do you have?  I assume its simply
    toilets?
    
    Jeff

    Anybody remember the "walls" in Germany?
    
    Still better than what's available in a lot of countries...
    
    ed

    Re .41
    
    We *do* have urinals, but they flush automatically on a time switch,
    rather than being user-operated.

    They also have "Royal Dalton" ceramic ones.  I remember the first time
    I saw them in the Great Southern Hotel in Eyre Square, Galway, Ireland.
    Next time I'm there I'm going to take a photo.
    
    Bill

re -1

>>Next time I'm there I'm going to take a photo.

When in use?  ;^)

    Re: -2,
    
    I think you mean "Royal Doulton"...