Conference quark::mennotes-v1

> Is it surprising that these people are in California?

You're just jealous.

DougO

    Doesn't sound like it would be worth it to me.  But then I wouldn't
    know.  How IS sex without a foreskin?
    
    						- Vick

    re .2, it's great!!
    

    
    	::STHILAIRE!
    
    	scuse me for thinking you're a woman!

    
    There's a vicious rumor around that the reason circumcision started in
    the first place was to de-sensitize the male organ to make
    masturbation less attractive as a rainy day activity.  Kind of like
    "ethical birth control".
    
    Lisa

    re .5, it didn't work, though, right?
    
    Lorna
    

    re:.0
    
    Sounds like a lot of pain and money for very little in return.

This was dealt with in a Dave Barry column a few months ago.

    Sounds like trying to make something out of nothing.
    
    ed

    or a pick up foot ball game....:) the skins vs the shirts....:)

    
    	...then there are skinless franks that come to mind.

    How about every bodys favorite! The skin-heads!!! :)

     There used to be a skinhead band of somewhat violent reputation
     that played around London a few years back. They called themselves 
     the 4 Skins.

I fail to see how, without taking a surgical "tuck" or "dart" in the
artificially stretched skin, the appropriate "effect" can be achieved.
The intuitively apparent "effect" without such remedial surgery is, at
best, somewhat comical.

But then, so is the concept in general . . . 

-Jack

    Guess this would be an inappropriate place to ask for some skin???:)
    
    

    I can't say I miss it, but if I really needed it back (for an IRS audit
    or something) I guess I'd go for the toupee approach.  Less painful.
    
    Ray

    Can you imagine the commercial ... ?
    
    	I'm not only the president ...

    RE: "TOUPEE APPROACH"
    
    Best idea I've heard yet!
    
    "We have 'em all, change your appearance with your mood!
    Wavy, Afro, Skinhead, Tanned, ..."
    
    :-)

    Give a whole new meaning to the "Chia Head" ad.

    
    You guys have gotta be "pullin" my "leg" on this one.
    
    CRIM

        It is probably serious...while the problem may seem small
        to many, to those discussed in the base note the issue at
        hand presumably takes on larger proportions.
        
        Dan

    It's not your leg he's pullin' on.
    
    						- Vick

    
    The topic at hand is something women know dick about.
    
    Art.

    Don't know and don't care about the foreskin mine works great as is
    and it feels jsut as good to me. If you never had it you don't know
    what your missing, and it doesn't matter. most girls find them
    unattractive 

re .25

> most girls find them unattractive 

I assume that you meant women.

I suspect that a good number of U.S. women may say that they find a penis with
the foreskin intact unattractive because they are used to seeing it the other
way.  Often something that is just unusual is considered to be unattractive
because it is not the "norm".

Rich

re .25,.26:

Imagine the pollster asking women whether or not they find foreskins attractive.

    
    what league do the 'skins play for anyway?

    re.25-.27
    
    attractiveness? interesting concept, that ... visual aesthetics.
    
    silly person that I am, I thought that tactile, rather than visual,
    stimulation was the raison d'etre

    Annie
    
    I always assumed that if there was evolution in a particular direction
    for that particular structure it would be in the direction of
    making it tactically more pleasant, for both parties.
    
    Bonnie

    re.30
    
    Bonnie
    
    Yes. That being the case, I was trying to indicate that visual
    aesthetics had heretofore not been something I'd considered.
    
    Annie

    Annie
    
    It is not something that I had particularly considered as well.
    
    Bonnie

    This is a MANLY topic, not one fer wymmyn.  Sheesh!  ;")

    but it does affect women MIke :-)

    But Mike, of course castrating women would be attracted to a note on
    circumcision.  :^)
    					- Vick
    

    re:.35
    
    I'd never agree with you.  Not in public, anyway.  :")

    "...oral manipulation with the skinless thingies..."
    
    Sort of loses much of it's charm when referred to as such.

    re .29, etc, Annie, personally, I always consider visual aesthetics. 
    If I'm not visually stimulated, first, then I'm most likely not going
    to have any interest in being tactilely stimulated.
    
    Personally, I don't know how anybody could enjoy having sex with
    someone whose appearance they didn't find attractive, regardless of how
    well the unattractive person performed.
    
    Lorna
    

    re.40
    
    Lorna, I believe that you are speaking of the total man when you speak
    of visual aesthetics. [I could be wrong]
    
    I was not speaking of the total man.  The comment was made that 'most
    girls don't find [a foreskin] attractive.'  Generally speaking, I can't
    imagine finding myself in a situation where this particular visual cue
    would have a material effect as by the time it occurred, I would be
    more focused on more immediate concerns ...

    re.40  Lorna, that's why a soft "close your eyes," is such a great
    prelude >;-)

    Any woman who thinks a foreskin is unattractive should take a mirror
    to her own genitalia.  ;^)
    					- Vick

    re .42, welllll....Annie....I suppose in the case of extremely
    attractive, uncircumsized European men (like, who knows, maybe Bono
    isn't!!!!! and I certainly wouldn't count him out!) :-), I could be
    persuaded to overlook the foreskin, but I really don't like the way it
    looks.   (Actually, I could have sex with a guy who wasn't circumsized,
    but *oral* sex....I don't know...I think it really looks gross when
    guys aren't circumsized.  Sorry.)  (But, for Bono I could force myself
    to make an exception.)  :-)
    
    re .44, yucko.  That's why I'd never make it as a Lesbian.
    
    Lorna
    

    Just for the record:  If you had a police line-up of six naked guys with
    full erections, you would have to look very close to tell which ones
    had foreskins.  Good hygiene takes care of the other aesthetic 
    difficulties.
    					- Vick
    
    P.S.  We'll put Bono in the line-up just for you, Lorna.  ;^)

	What a peculiar line of discussion.  Who started all this, anyway?

	-Jim

    re .48, why do you think it's peculiar?  Do you think male genitals are
    too sacred to be discussed in a notesfile?  
    
    Lorna
    

    Jim was poking fun at himself, as he is the one who started the topic.
    
    					- Vick
    
    P.S.  They don't come much more peculiar than Jim anyhoo.
    :^)
    

Re: .49

Actually, Corporate Personnel thinks so, and has told us so in the past. 

				Steve

    re .51, just hope they feel the same about female anatomy.
    
    Lorna
    

    re: .49
    
    >re .48, why do you think it's peculiar?  Do you think male genitals are
    >too sacred to be discussed in a notesfile?  
    
    
    Such discussions aren't sacred, but only if female genitalia are open
    for discussion as well.
    
    :)
    
    Mike

	Walking a fine line, aren't we?  I was going to say something
	about only poking fun at female genitalia in the privacy of
	my own home, but thought better of it.

	Digression:

	Vick, when am I going to get that second spring-form pan
	utilizing recipe?

	-Jim

    Jim, I just wrote "JIM" on the back of my hand, so maybe tonight I'll
    remember.
    				- Vick
    P.S. I told you he was peculiar.

I'm sure that Personnel would take an equally dim view of discussions of
female genitalia.  While I'm not going to hide or remove what's been said
in this note already, I will ask people to maintain a "proper sense of
decorum" as I don't wish to repeat the experience of trying to explain why
the conference shouldn't be shut down.

				Steve - co-moderator and host

    I seem to remember another conference that was shut down only because
    this line of discussion was all over it.  I think the conference was
    supposed to be a computerized Dr. Ruth.
    
    /p

    sexcetera?

    
    
    There are skin magazines (which cater to gay men) specialize in
    "offering" pictures of uncircumcized men.  I, myself, don't understand
    the attraction and perfer "cut" to "uncut".
    
          GJd   8-)
    
    

    re:.51
    
    Even obscure references that could be taken to refer to genitalia
    only with tremendous leaps of logic and imagination are scrutinized
    and sometimes prohibited.

    <Even obscure references that could be taken to refer to genitalia
    <only with tremendous leaps of logic and imagination are scrutinized
    <and sometimes prohibited.
    
    which was hardly the case this time (that the references were obscure,
    that is)

    re:.61
    
    Agreed.

    re: .44
    	The last time I was in the U.S. I noticed a magazine called
    "Hustler". It seems that even photographs are attractive enough to make
    money. I would hesitate to say that genitalia are just a matter of
    taste...

    
    
    So, who's going to go for it??  (Re: last reply)
    
         GJD   8-0
    
            who's on his best behavior!
    
    

 Ewe peeeg! :-)