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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

445.0. "What is Ugly???" by SNOBRD::CONLIFFE (Cthulhu Barata Nikto) Fri Apr 20 1990 14:05

In the "What is sexy?" note, various people have commented on their own ugliness
and the ugliness of others.  I describe myself as short, fat and ugly.  

But what is ugly?  


				Have at it
				Nigel
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445.1CSG001::GAUGHANFri Apr 20 1990 14:174
    My mirror is ugly.
    
    charlie
    
445.2GIAMEM::MACKINNONProChoice is a form of democracyFri Apr 20 1990 14:592
    
    Violence is ugly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
445.3SALEM::KUPTONI Love Being a Turtle!!!Fri Apr 20 1990 15:053
    
    
    .....mornin' breath........
445.4HANNAH::MODICAFri Apr 20 1990 15:198
    
    Conceited people
    Bulldogs
    Ford Taurus
    NY Ranger Hockey
    Maddona
    politics
    ...
445.5DZIGN::STHILAIREthere should be enough for us allFri Apr 20 1990 15:3827
    Like beauty, ugliness is in the mind of the beholder.  The worst
    type of ugliness, as we all know, is ugliness of the spirit resulting
    in physical violence, greed and malicious behavior.  However, that
    having been said, there are some physical characteristics which
    look ugly to me, and could prevent me from being romantically
    interested in a person.  (These characteristics would not cause
    me to treat the person in question any differently than anyone else
    except for romantic interest, though.)
    
    So, what do I find ugly?
 
    Obesity
    Buck Teeth
    Receding Chins
    Double Chins
    Turned-up Noses
    Facial Hair on women
    Ears that stick out
    Facial warts (like that woman had in the movie "Uncle Buck")
    Rotten, brown, or missing teeth
    
    I don't mean to be cruel, but none of the above physical
    characteristics would ever appeal to me, and might really turn me
    off.
    
    Lorna
      
445.6more ugliness....DZIGN::STHILAIREthere should be enough for us allFri Apr 20 1990 15:4318
    The fat kid with glasses who appears in the Far Side cartoons is
    ugly.
    
    The character "Hatchet Face" in the movie "Cry Baby" is ugly.
    
    The turtle with two heads that was in the movie "Shy People" was
    ugly.
    
    Snakes are ugly.
    
    Slums are ugly.
    
    Garbage is ugly.
    
    
    Lorna
    
    
445.7One thing that makes Far Side so greatCSC32::J_OPPELTI'm not a fig plucker...Fri Apr 20 1990 15:487
>    The fat kid with glasses who appears in the Far Side cartoons is
>   ugly.
    
 	Is there anybody in the Far Side cartoons who is NOT ugly?
    
    	Joe Oppelt   
    
445.8MILPND::SHELTRYIf you build it...Fri Apr 20 1990 16:379
From a very old adage (don't know the source):

     Beauty is skin deep
     But ugly goes clear to the bone

     ...or some such expression

Wayne
445.9IAMOK::MITCHELLIt's all in the balancing, my dearFri Apr 20 1990 16:449

	I think there is beauty in every single human being.

	People are not ugly. 



	kits
445.10WAHOO::LEVESQUEtill you meet that Texas Twister...Fri Apr 20 1990 19:187
>	People are not ugly. 


 They just look it. :-)

 The Doctah
445.11Agreement...TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeFri Apr 20 1990 19:194
>    Ford Taurus

Yes!
445.12THEBUS::GAGNONUOB! Your Worst Nighmare!! It lives!!!Fri Apr 20 1990 19:273
    
    Calluses on nipples........Does Dr. Schoul make anything for them?
    
445.13HANNAH::MODICAFri Apr 20 1990 19:468
    
    At last! What a way to end a week. Ger and I agree on something.
    
    
    
    						just kiddin ya
    
    							Hank
445.14KAOO01::BORDADoraphobic,Pogonophobic BearFri Apr 20 1990 19:594
    
    Yes Gina...Dr Scholl makes a special sandle that one can wear to
    prevent that...kinda tough to fit inside a shirt mind you...
    
445.15CSC32::J_OPPELTI'm not a fig plucker...Fri Apr 20 1990 22:501
    		Yassir Arrafat
445.162 hours to get home!!!!!!!!!!NITTY::DIERCKSJack Daniels, splash, hold the ice!Fri Apr 20 1990 22:565
    
    
    ... Chicago expressway's on a rainy Friday afternoon.
    
    
445.17USCTR2::DONOVANSat Apr 21 1990 03:094
    * The male lead in Mask
    * The Elephant Man
    
    
445.18LARVAE::WATSON_CElementary my dearMon Apr 23 1990 15:492
    Snobbery is the worst!
    
445.19CGVAX2::CONNELLMon Apr 23 1990 17:134
    I AM UGLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
    
                                 Phil
    
445.20That was make-upTLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeMon Apr 23 1990 19:159
>    * The male lead in Mask

Believe it or not, that was make-up.  Eric Stoltz is actually a pretty 
good-looking redhead.  He also starred in "Pretty in Pink."

(...and surely you can't mean Sam Elliot...woof!)

							--Ger    
445.21What ugly is NOT...CSC32::S_HALLDuck-Billed Platitudes....Mon Apr 23 1990 21:2122
	Ugly is something inside, not appearance ( I'm convinced ).

	Some people are hideous to be around, regardless of how they
	look.  On the other hand, initial impressions  can be
	WRONG !  As:

	Some years ago, I had just begun participation in a 
	new sport.  The second day out at the field, I watched as
	then newest "recruits" wnet through the training sessions.
	One was a young woman that I saw for all of 30 seconds as she 
	walked past.

	I remarked to myself, "Boy, if that's the way the women in
	this sport look, I quit..."  Pretty crummy, huh ?

	As it turned out, she stuck with the sport, and as I got to know
	this wonderful person, I realized that I simply had not
	NOTICED how beautiful she is.  It still gives me a bit
	of a jolt to see the old pictures of her I have....

	Steve H
445.22DZIGN::STHILAIREthere should be enough for us allTue Apr 24 1990 15:274
    Re .21, yes, but would you marry her?
    
    Lorna
    
445.23THEBUS::GAGNONUOB! Your Worst Nighmare!! It lives!!!Tue Apr 24 1990 15:504
    I'm so ugly, my boss used to lure people into his office from outside
    by telling them what an ugly secretary he had.  And ugly tempered
    too...
    
445.24cruel not uglyPATS::CONTIGlory daysTue Apr 24 1990 16:069
    
    
    
    
       people are cruel..........
    
       NOT UGLY !!
    
    
445.25Good question...TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeTue Apr 24 1990 16:349
>    Re .21, yes, but would you marry her?
>    
>    Lorna

I repeat, would you marry her?  Or are you just being a good liberal?


							--Ger    
445.26IMHOUSIV02::BROWN_ROAnd the horse I rode in onTue Apr 24 1990 17:112
    Gina's sense of 'humor'.
    
445.27THEBUS::GAGNONUOB! Your Worst Nighmare!! It lives!!!Tue Apr 24 1990 19:143
    
    Ah, yer just jealous that you don't have any humor humble man......
    
445.28MSCSSE::LENNARDTue Apr 24 1990 20:362
    
    BOSTON!!!!
445.29standing upwindCSSE32::M_DAVISMarge Davis HallyburtonWed Apr 25 1990 01:4810
    IMO, ugly is unclean, unkempt, filthy, dirty.  It is halitosis and B.O.
    and dirty fingernails, smelly clothing, unbrushed teeth,
    nicotine-stained hands and teeth, cigarette breath, or (worse yet), BO
    poorly covered with heavy perfume or cologne.
    
    These are all things one can control; looks are luck-of-the-draw
    for the most part. How can one be faulted for that?
    
    my .02,
    Marge
445.30On peut pas vivre sans Godard!STAR::RDAVISBut there the resemblance endsWed Apr 25 1990 19:498
445.31SA1794::CHARBONNDYour Mama Won't Like MeWed Apr 25 1990 21:016
    I have this recurring nightmare : I'm in a bar, I order a
    drink, scan the crowd. I see her across the bar, a 9.8 on
    the scale. She notices me, smiles. Then
    she lights a cigarette. Sorry, babe, you just lost 7 points.
    
    Worst thing is, it's *not* just a dream.
445.32Time for a swan song..CRATE::CROSSLEYI may not be new; but I'm reliable...Thu Apr 26 1990 07:595
    
    
    ..that little duckling in the story....
    
    
445.33VAXWRK::CONNORWe are amusedThu Apr 26 1990 14:272
	Anyone who doesn'y smile

445.34CSOA1::KRESSIt's the same old song..Thu Apr 26 1990 21:4112
    re .33
    
    What do you mean by "anyone who doesn't smile"?
    
    - Doesn't smile all of the time
    
    - Doesn't smile some of the time
    
    - Doesn't smile any time
    
    
    
445.35DPDMAI::MATTSONIt's always something!Wed May 02 1990 21:2312
    Everyone makes instant judgements about people the minute you see them.
    (this is otherwise known as a First Impression).  But, to me, some one
    can be overweight, bald, whatever, but if they are dressed attractively
    and stylishly, clean, hair is clean and styled, and smell good, I would
    consider them to be good looking.
    
    On the other hand, my brother's ex-wife was absolutely GORGEOUS!! An
    ex-Miss Texas, even.  This woman was incredibally beautiful.  But after
    we got to know her, I just can't describe how "ugly" she became. (and
    still is).   So, really, anyone can be attractive to anyone else.
    
    Becky
445.36pointer..?SX4GTO::HOLTRobert Holt, ISVG WestWed May 02 1990 21:363
    
    how can someone be bald, yet have clean, good smelling, styled
    hair..?
445.38set me up fer that one...SX4GTO::HOLTRobert Holt, ISVG WestThu May 03 1990 03:071
    
445.39It's what's inside that really mattersQUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu May 03 1990 12:2012
    Reply .35 touched upon the aspect of "ugly" which corresponds to
    my view.  In my opinion, true ugliness is internal.  It comes packaged
    in all different kinds of bodies, many of which are quite
    conventionally attractive.  And the ugliness that seethes within may
    not make itself evident right away.  But sooner or later, it will.
    
    I am fortunate to have known few truly ugly people in my life.  Those
    whose paths I did cross caused me no end of anguish.  But I'll
    also comment that some of the most beautiful people I have known have
    had "outsides" that were not conventionally attractive.
    
    			Steve
445.40"I WANNA BE A TOYS R US KID"DPDMAI::MATTSONIt's always something!Thu May 03 1990 13:495
    Steve,
    Now that we've figured this out about people, (pretty vs ugly) does
    this mean we've "grown up"?? 
    
    Becky_Does_this_mean_I'm_an_adult_now?
445.41QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu May 03 1990 14:104
    Becky, sometimes I wish life were as simple as my six-year-old thinks
    it is....
    
    				Steve
445.42SX4GTO::HOLTRobert Holt, ISVG WestFri May 04 1990 22:064
    
    re seething ugliness
    
    Now that's uuu-gggllly ..!
445.43FROSTY::SHIELDSThu May 31 1990 12:358
    Ugly is working the registration booth at a Digital event, where
    one can experience first hand how cruel, insulting, wicked, evil,
    demoralizing, brutish and heartless our own co-workers can be to a
    person who is volunteering his/her time to help the cause.
    
    Boy, can that be ugly!
    
     
445.44SX4GTO::HOLTRobert Holt, ISVG Atelier, West CoastThu May 31 1990 20:025
    
    re .4
    
    My sympathies... trade shows are not fun for the admin staffers
    who sit out there in those exposed positions..
445.45BlechHANNAH::MODICATue Jun 12 1990 20:164
    
    I thought the Taurus was ugly....
    then I saw the new Chevy Caprice Classic.
    Gawd, didn't they learn anything from the Hudson and Nash?
445.46DECXPS::HENDERSONAnd I know we'll be there soonWed Jun 13 1990 16:1417
RE:< Note 445.45 by HANNAH::MODICA >
                                   -< Blech >-

    
   > I thought the Taurus was ugly....
    
    I've grown to like the Taurus..

    >then I saw the new Chevy Caprice Classic.
    >Gawd, didn't they learn anything from the Hudson and Nash?

  But this is (IMO) *real* ugly.. While I'm sure some folks like it, I look
at it and wonder if some designers/marketeers/etc looked at that thing and
actually thought they had a "winner".


Jim
445.47"Beauty's only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone"EARRTH::MALLETTBarking Spider IndustriesWed Jun 13 1990 17:2616
445.48More droolBOSOX::HENDERSONAnd I know we'll be there soonWed Jun 13 1990 18:354
Hmmm  I saw a Cobra roaming around Derry a couple weeks ago but couldn't
tell if it was real or a replica.  

Jim
445.49LUNER::MALLETTBarking Spider IndustriesThu Jun 14 1990 10:465
    I dunno about the one you saw, Jim, but the growl coming from
    under the hood of the beast I saw in Maynard was unmistakeable.
    I think I'm falling madly in lust. . .
    
    Steve
445.50DASXPS::HENDERSONAnd I know we'll be there soonThu Jun 14 1990 16:014
I wasn't close enough to hear it.  Can you identify a replica easily from
the outside?

Jim
445.51SNOBRD::CONLIFFECthulhu Barata NiktoThu Jun 14 1990 16:031
Well, if it sounds like a volkswagen...
445.52LUNER::MALLETTBarking Spider IndustriesThu Jun 14 1990 17:049
445.53HANNAH::MODICAThu Jun 14 1990 17:3511
    
    Re: replicas...
    
    I'd be damned surprised is any originals are being driven.
    They're extremely rare and worth a fortune.
    
    One way to tell though is if the driver looks like he's cooking.
    From what I've read, the heat generated by the engine is intense,
    the insulation minimal if there's any at all.
    
    							Hank
445.54LUNER::MALLETTBarking Spider IndustriesFri Jun 15 1990 11:124
    This morning, my mood is ugly.  Presumably, like all things,
    this will pass. . .
    
    Steve (snarl, kick, spit, etc.)
445.55vroooomLEDDEV::CALABRIAbarber shops are a communist plotTue Jun 19 1990 19:476
    
    If I'm not mistaken, the real Cobra's have an aluminum Body, 
    the replica's are constructed of fiberglass.  Alot of the replica's
    are running a 427 under the hood too.
    
    -jc
445.56WAHOO::LEVESQUEboredom&gt;annoyance&gt;jubilation&gt;disbelief&gt;rage&gt;frustrationWed Jun 20 1990 14:184
     Most of the later model replicas have the 302 Mustang GT engine in
    them. I bet they move pretty good, even with that. :-)
    
     The Doctah