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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

441.0. "What do women look for?" by SALEM::MELANSON (nut at work) Mon Apr 09 1990 13:44

    Men like legs, breasts, and ass, what do women look for when
    they are on the make?  Are most woman attracted to the Charles
    Atlas type, tall dark type...nice eye's, legs,
    buns etc...  what do woman look for?....  also what do women
    talk about when they are with other women and a "nice looker"
    comes into the picture????
    
    Just wondering.... ;-)
    
    Jim,
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441.1Intelligence ;-)IAMOK::MITCHELLWilly Wallopers, Inc.Mon Apr 09 1990 13:470
441.2STAR::RDAVISThe Man Without QuantitiesMon Apr 09 1990 13:588
441.3women like to look tooHPSTEK::CONTRACTORMon Apr 09 1990 14:0613
    
    here we go!
    as being a limo driver alot of the time i drive for bachlorete parties
    and yes they do go to the male strippers to OGEL and by the
    conversations they have when they come out they look at more than
    brains, eyes, clothes, etc.....
    
    when most of the ladies are out with the ladies they are just like
    the men out with men and as i said before almost all of us like
    to look
    
    frank
    
441.4Heterosexual women, gay men, bi women, bi men: which group?TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeMon Apr 09 1990 14:439
I'm not clear about your base note.  Do you want heterosexual women's
opinions about what is sexy about men?  Or do you want to know what is
sexy about men according to the people who are attracted to them? 

Just askin'...


							--Ger
441.5SALMON::LITASIto the land of Gitchi-Goommie....Mon Apr 09 1990 14:5423
    
    I'm never on the make ;^)
    
    But...if I were...
    
    I'd notice the man's hair color and overall build.  Dark hair and a
    leaner athletic build...not too tall (6' is the max since I'm only
    5'2").  I don't go for the "incredible hulk types".
    
    Next I look at his face.  Does  he smile?  Eye color is unimportant
    as long as he makes eye contact often.
    
    After that, being able to carry on a conversation longer than 10
    minutes is essential!  This is when factors like intelligence,
    sense of humor, openness, honesty, interests, etc. really matter.
    
    All the glitz is gone when a man can't relate to me as a person.
    As a result, very few men I've dated actually look like the above.
    The other factors end up being *much* more important than looks.
    
    But you asked what women look for when on the make!
    
    		Sherry
441.6come on now tell us the truthHPSTEK::CONTRACTORMon Apr 09 1990 15:109
    
    come on ladies every limo run i've done with girls night out. if it
    the club circiut ot the male strippers i have never had a group of
    ladies come back in the car and say boy that guy i danced with had
    nice hair or boy was he smart or he can really carry on a conversation
    they usually mention buns, chest, eyes, and some even say large hands
    so lets hear the real stuff you look for.
    
    frank
441.7believe it or not....LYRIC::BOBBITTfestine lente - hasten slowlyMon Apr 09 1990 15:3712
    The real stuff I look for, in order of its attention getting priority,
    and weighted in percentages for its vitalness in my attraction, is:
    
    Intelligence 30%
    Creativity 25%
    Warmth and Honesty 20% 
    Attractive eyes 10%
    A sexy back 5%
    Proportional body (not perfect, proportional...) 5%
    Long hair (an added benefit, but not necessary) 5%
    
    -Jody
441.8SSDEVO::GALLUPput your hand inside the puppet headMon Apr 09 1990 15:4915
>                    <<< Note 441.6 by HPSTEK::CONTRACTOR >>>
>                       -< come on now tell us the truth >-

	 Frank.

	 The women that participate in this file are...how shall I
	 saw...just a little more mature, maybe?  than the women you
	 probably had in your limos.

	 The women that participate here are very intelligent
	 creatures.  Believe it or not, many of us are attracted to
	 the same.
    

	 kath
441.9SSDEVO::GALLUPput your hand inside the puppet headMon Apr 09 1990 15:5624

	 RE: .0

	 First off, I resent your statement about "being on the make."
	 I'm never "on the make".....I rarely pick up men in bars.  I
	 don't go man-hunting.  "On the make" sounds like I'm slinking
	 around hunting down someone to have sex with.

	 Pardon me, but that's not "me."

	 Anyway..what am I ATTRACTED to, you say?

	 Comfortable communication on any subject
	 Caring, concerned and attentive 
	 Expressive eyes that let me see his thoughts
	 Someone who's main goal is NOT to bed me
	 Well-cared for hair (prefer long..but most important is
		softness)
	 Well-proportioned (not too large, not too thin)



	 kath
441.10good replies..learning.SALEM::MELANSONnut at workMon Apr 09 1990 16:1313
    
    If you resent "on the make" that's ok, but you probably still look.
    
    You can cover it over with suger and make it look good or
    you can be earthy about it and just say right out what
    turns you on and what you say to other woman about it.               
    
    Great replies so far, I'm learning a lot of value goes into intelligence
    and conversation....           
    
    Oh by the way, what do woman consider rugged?
    
    jim
441.11IAMOK::MITCHELLWilly Wallopers, Inc.Mon Apr 09 1990 16:5224
    
>    Oh by the way, what do woman consider rugged?
 

	Able to bring out the trash
                hug 
                mow the lawn
                cuddle
                vacuum the rugs
                wash my back
                scrub a dirty pot
                rub my neck
                fix a leaky faucet



	and leap tall buildings in a single bound !!  :-)


	kits
	        
                             
   

441.13A happy face!PARITY::DDAVISLong-cool woman in a black dressMon Apr 09 1990 17:1615
    What do I "notice" first?...
    
    	Eyes
    	Teeth and a big smile
    	Wide shoulders
    	Thin waist
    	Round butt
    
    And that's just the beginning...if he is intelligent with a sense of
    humor, then maybe I'd notice more, but above is what I would notice
    first.
    
    -Dotti.
    
    
441.14All welcome!SALEM::MELANSONnut at workMon Apr 09 1990 17:288
    Re: .4  Trying to be simple and straight forward, if its worth
            sharing bi, hetero etc. please say it.
    
    Re: .11 I think I just melted....
    
    thanks
    
    jim
441.15Never on the "make" ;^)SALMON::LITASIto the land of Gitchi-Goommie....Mon Apr 09 1990 18:278
    I almost forgot...  If  he is smoking,  he doesn't get a second
    look.  If he lights up, it's a *huge* turnoff for me.
    
    Re Frank...  I gave a lot of thought to what I notice first...
    In a room full of men my eyes are drawn first to hair color,
    next to overall body shape, and then to the face.
    
    	Sherry
441.16Vague enough?ICESK8::KLEINBERGERWill 8/4 **ever** get here?Mon Apr 09 1990 18:4831
    Umm.. I agree with Kathy, I'm never "on the make", and the only time I
    tried it (quit laughing Kathy and D!), I made a complete shambles of
    the WHOLE thing :-)... even though technically I was successful :-)

    What do *I* personally look for...

    Well, I would never kick a Chippendale out of bed for eating crackers
    there :-)...  but realistically...

    I like a man that has a brain...  looks might attract me, but if he
    isn't intelligent, he won't find me around long. No smoking...  I like
    a man who can appreciate a good glass of wine (although I don't drink
    it, I like it on his breath)...  If I go strictly for looks, which I
    tend to very often *not* do,  he'd have to look EXACTLY like my
    hairdresser...  Tall, extremely hairy chest, muscular, blue eyes, brown
    wavy hair...

    On the flip side of that, give me a balding man anytime, and I'll
    melt...

    On the other flip side, a man my height, weighing slightly less than me
    is also enough to make me melt...

    If he smokes, he doesn't get a second look, and if he can't act like a
    man on a date, he'll find the evening cut EXTREMELY short if its a
    first date...  

    I tend to like the men that know how to be a man, and how to treat a
    lady like a lady...


441.17Opinion of a 19 yr. oldJAIMES::BELMOREMon Apr 09 1990 19:4639
    
    
    
    
           First thing I notice:
    
    
                                His face. He has to have a
           pleasant face. What I look at most on the face is
           lips and eyes. I love full lips. Also on the face that
           attracts me: whiskers (not a beard, but stubble),
           nice white teeth, glasses are nice, too.
    
           Those are the traits I notice when just "checking out"
           a man. Not necessarily when looking for a boyfriend.
    
    
           If it's a potential relationship:
    
    
                                 What I need is a man with character.
           Someone very different. And along with that personality
           and intelligence. It's hard to describe. But, if a man is
           a "10" in the looks department, but lacks in character,
           forget it.
    
    
                                  Also, (if I might add...) I happen
           to like dark hair and a well-toned build, and lots of height
           (I'm talking 6'4"+), and long hair....but, my boyfriend has
            very blond hair, has a "belly", is 6'1", and has short hair,
           and his personality is very unique, and he has lots of 
           character. That's what makes him. So, I'd say undoubtedly
           that physical appearance is what first thing that attracts
           alot of women, but, it's the other qualities that keep the
           attraction going.....
    
    
                                      -Jennifer
441.18SSDEVO::GALLUPlips like sugarMon Apr 09 1990 20:3616
>    Umm.. I agree with Kathy, I'm never "on the make", and the only time I
>    tried it (quit laughing Kathy and D!), I made a complete shambles of
>    the WHOLE thing :-)... even though technically I was successful :-)

	 Hahahaha...I can't help but laugh, Gale!!!!  you HAVE to
	 admit, it was funny.
	 
	 

	 "Looks" on a guy are pleasing....and sexy.  But
	 attractiveness is a whole 'nuther ball game.  I would never
	 DREAM of anything more than a casual glance at a guy that was
	 sexy yet didn't fit my "attractiveness" mold.


	 kath
441.19GEMVAX::CICCOLINIMon Apr 09 1990 20:479
    I notice posture as an indication of the sensuality of the man.  
    When I'm on the make, I'm attracted to the guy who stands tall and 
    leans easily on things.  I don't know how else to explain it.
    
    Once in college I came out into the kitchen to meet my date and he was
    standing there with his forearm up on top of the refrigerator. 
    Whattasite!  I like the casual sophistication that you generally find
    in people with either money or intelligence.  The quiet man in the back
    with the knowing grin - that's the one I'll notice.
441.20The eyes have itVALKYR::RUSTMon Apr 09 1990 21:0220
    The guys who catch my eye vary widely in appearance, from the
    classically gorgeous (not too many of those, actually - if they're
    _too_ "pretty" I don't find them interesting) to some really
    goofy-looking types who happened to have an appealing twinkle in the
    eye. I do tend to focus on faces first, especially the eyes and mouth.
    As for other body parts, well... I have occasionally paused to admire a
    pair of wide shoulders, moderately well-muscled, encased in a T-shirt
    or a work shirt - but if the shoulders are topped with an unintriguing
    face, my eyes will wander onward.
    
    I've never understood the fascination some have for "buns"; I don't
    find them either interesting or exciting to look at. (While clothed and
    in public, anyway!) Same goes for the, um, other side of the pants, if
    you get my drift; if the rest of him doesn't attract me, I have no
    interest whatsoever in the contents of his jeans.
    
    If I were at a male strip show, would I look? Sure - but I have this
    strong feeling that I'd find the whole thing funny, rather than exciting.
    
    -b (female, late 30's, if you're tabulating responses...)
441.21CLOSUS::WOODWARDa little bit dangerousMon Apr 09 1990 21:371
    a Rolex
441.23PEKING::NASHDWhatever happened to Capt. Beaky?Tue Apr 10 1990 07:107
    re -1
    
    I think we need a topic to allow us Anglo-Saxons to understand what
    is actually being written. I honestly thought mow the lawn meant...
    
    Oh well.
    Dave
441.24New meaning to "Lawn Boy"CSOA1::KRESSI live to workTue Apr 10 1990 11:519
    re .22
    
    Well, it's only 7:45am and I've already learned something new for the
    day!  
    
    Heck, maybe my summer won't be so boring after all!  :-)
    
    
    Kris
441.25IAMOK::MITCHELLWilly Wallopers, Inc.Tue Apr 10 1990 11:5913
>    <<< Note 441.22 by HEYYOU::ZARLENGA "hey! Hey! HEY! ... c'mon, vogue" >>>
 
>                         -< in case you didn't know >-


>	"Mow the lawn" is slang for sex.


	No !  I didn't know.  And I didn't mean it that way.



	kits
441.26he still makes me laughGIAMEM::MACKINNONProChoice is a form of democracyTue Apr 10 1990 12:315
    
    The ability to make me laugh at least once a day for the past
    four years and hopefully for many more!!!!
    
    Michele
441.27SUBURB::PULLANRUpRising at the CastleTue Apr 10 1990 14:417
.22>    .11>                mow the lawn

.22>	"Mow the lawn" is slang for sex.

    The number of times I have been asked to mow the lawn, and I go
    and get the bleedin' Flymo out!
    
441.28;)FSTVAX::BEANAttila the Hun was a LIBERAL!Tue Apr 10 1990 16:198
    re: back a few
    
    
    if "mow the lawn" = sex
    
    what does "vacuum the rug" mean???
    
    tony
441.29Mow the lawn?DISCVR::GILMANTue Apr 10 1990 17:3210
    And to think of the number of times I have misunderstood my wife when
    she asked me to mow the lawn...... I will have to be FAR more careful
    in the future to be sure of what she REALLY means. I wonder how she
    SHOULD tell me to actually mow the lawn.... maybe lets have sex?
    
    The word games that have been going on in the string are simply
    unbelievable.  No wonder verbal communications is so difficult!
    
    Jeff
    
441.31Stick outcha can...STAR::RDAVISThe Man Without QuantitiesTue Apr 10 1990 17:557
    I've only heard "mow the lawn" in the great ol' blues tune, "Handyman"
    ("Some mornings he's up way before dawn / Trimming the edges on my
    lawn") and from women who've heard the great ol' blues tune...  (: >,)
    
    And then there's "Garbage Man"...
    
    Ray
441.32ICESK8::KLEINBERGERWill 8/4 **ever** get here?Tue Apr 10 1990 17:553
    RE: .30         I'm serious about "mow the lawn"!!!  No kidding!
    
    Then how come you are the *only* one who knew that?
441.33yours for more colorful english phraseologyLEZAH::BOBBITTfestina lente - hasten slowlyTue Apr 10 1990 17:579
    I didn't know it was called "mowing the lawn" either.  I've heard a few
    other colorful euphemisms (some of which are available on George
    Carlin's humorous tape "Carlin on Campus" - where he goes over the 7
    words you can't say on the radio and then some).  Then there's the
    off-color joke about using the euphemism "doing the laundry", but
    that's not really appropriate here....
    
    -Jody
    
441.34WAHOO::LEVESQUEIs any of this sinkin' in now, boy?Tue Apr 10 1990 18:235
>Then there's the
>    off-color joke about using the euphemism "doing the laundry", but
>    that's not really appropriate here....

 Too bad. Off color's my favorite. :-)
441.35SNOC01::MYNOTTHugs to all Kevin Costner lookalikesTue Apr 10 1990 23:345
    Mike Z is right.  It is slang here in Oz, or doesn't anybody remember
    the film "Tim", in the pub when they were kidding Tim about mowing the
    lady's lawn, etc, etc.!  (^'
    
    ...dale
441.36Some do their own mowingGIDDAY::WALESDavid from Down-underWed Apr 11 1990 01:418
    G'Day,
    
    Re: .35
    
    But Dale, not all ladies have a lawn to mow :-).
    
    David.
    
441.37LDYBUG::GOLDMANGotta stay strong if U want to lastWed Apr 11 1990 02:348
>    Mike Z is right.  It is slang here in Oz, or doesn't anybody remember
>    the film "Tim", in the pub when they were kidding Tim about mowing the
>    lady's lawn, etc, etc.!  (^'
    
    	That's it Mike - I bet you found it in the "terms and phrases"
    section in the back of Cathy's book on Australia! :^)

    	amy
441.38SNOC01::MYNOTTHugs to all Kevin Costner lookalikesWed Apr 11 1990 03:493
    And, David, I'm blushing!  Yeah I know thats hard to believe (^'
    
    ...dale
441.39SALEM::MELANSONnut at workWed Apr 11 1990 13:504
    For a frenchman I think its "cut the grass" for vacumin the carpet
    could that be "cookie dusting"?
    
    Jim
441.41WAHOO::LEVESQUEIs any of this sinkin' in now, boy?Wed Apr 11 1990 14:241
 Cuz he's a regular lawn-boy. :-)
441.43 ok, now I'm confused! N2ITIV::LEEThe stupid is always possibleWed Apr 11 1990 14:4911
>	If you've ever mowed a lawn with one of the mowers that you push,
>    well, the phrase makes sense.

	Do you mean "mowing the lawn" or "*mowing* the *lawn*"  ??

	And if "*mowing* the *lawn*" == sex,  should I be careful
	about complimenting people on their self-propelled mower?


	>>AL<<

441.44Back to "What women find attractive," please...TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeWed Apr 11 1990 14:5911
As moderator:

Please be careful with this discussion.  In particular, anatomy
analogies are suspect.  The general rule-of-thumb is that, if you
wouldn't put it in a memo, please don't put it here. 


							--Gerry

PS  Back to your regularly scheduled program...
441.45RDVAX::COLLIERBruce CollierWed Apr 11 1990 15:126
    .42 > If you've ever mowed a lawn with one of the mowers that you push,
    .42 > well, the phrase makes sense.
    
    
    Are you trying to say that "Real Men use Reel Mowers"?
    
441.47SOLANA::C_BROWN_ROGood Friday the 13th????Wed Apr 11 1990 17:434
    "vacuuming the rug" really means cleaning the toupe.
    
    -roger
    
441.49PEKING::NASHDWhatever happened to Capt. Beaky?Wed Apr 11 1990 18:2212
    Now will someone explain the song I was taught in school.
    
    It went something like this:
   
    One man went to mow, 
    went to mow a meadow, 
    one man and his dog, 
    went to mow a meadow.
    
    Two men went to mow, 
    went to mow a meadow, 
    two men... and it goes on and on.
441.50IAMOK::MITCHELLWilly Wallopers, Inc.Wed Apr 11 1990 18:235
<-------------perhaps to teach you to count ?



	kits
441.51< I don't know where this is going? >DEALIN::GIRARDWed Apr 11 1990 19:0210
    Why are we trying to figure out each other?
    
    Why can't we all try a little harder, have more patience, and listen to
    each others needs and we will all learn something new every day.
    It takes alot of energy and time, but the rewards are worth it and
    working at something will never be more fun!!!  
    
    Wendy-
    
    
441.52Enough, please!TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeWed Apr 11 1990 19:1511
As moderator:

Again, please stop objectifying women or using offensive terms for 
parts of women's bodies.  Notes containing those types of references 
will be set hidden pending decisions about deletion by the moderators.

Thank you.


						--Gerry
441.54FSTVAX::BEANAttila the Hun was a LIBERAL!Thu Apr 12 1990 16:139
re: .46....
.45>    Are you trying to say that "Real Men use Reel Mowers"?

	Real men mow until the lawn's done.

-mike z
    
    
    	or until they run out of gas.
441.55the way I see it....DZIGN::STHILAIREthere should be enough for us allThu Apr 19 1990 14:1948
    Re .0, what women look for in a man:
    
    Physical Attributes:           Examples:
    
    Cute Face - (Tom Cruise & Matthew Broderick both have cute faces)
    
    Nice Body - (Bruce Springsteen, Kurt Russell, Patrick Swayze, 
                 Harrison Ford, have nice bodies) 

    Great Smile - (Tom Cruise has a great smile)
    (Good Teeth)
    
    Awesome Hair - (Jon Bon Jovi has awesome hair)
    
    Stylishly Dressed - (The Edge, Keith Richards, Rod Stewart, Tom
                         Petty, Mick Jagger, Jon Bon Jovi, Bono, Axl
                         Rose are usually stylishly dressed.  Daniel
                         Day Lewis at the Oscar awards was stylishly
                         dressed.) 

    Non-Physical Characteristics:             Examples:
    
    Brains -            (Woody Allen, Spike Lee, Einstein)
    
    Witty -             (Robin Williams, Billy Crystal)
    (Good sense of
     humor)
    
    Zest for Life -     (Indiana Jones, Rhett Butler)
    (sense of fun)
    
    Compassion for others - (Martin Luther King, Jr., Ghandi)
    
    Left-wing Political
    Views -                 (Bono, Neil Young, John Lennon, Karl Marx)
    
    
    I've noticed that it's difficult to find all of the above in one
    man, though.
    
    Re .0, regarding your question, What do women talk about or say
    when a goodlooking man comes on the scene:  I usually turn to one
    of my girlfriends and say something like, "Jesus, I wouldn't mind
    jumping his bones, huh?"
    
    Lorna
    
     
441.56SX4GTO::HOLTRobert Holt, ISVG WestThu Apr 19 1990 20:513
    
    Sonny Bono is not merely left wing, but a limo liberal.
    
441.57i do have some tasteDZIGN::STHILAIREthere should be enough for us allThu Apr 19 1990 21:057
    re .56, what's a "limo liberal"?
    
    I wasn't talking about *Sonny* Bono!!!
    I was talking about U2's Bono!  (I hope you realize that!) :-)
    
    Lorna
    
441.59SX4GTO::HOLTRobert Holt, ISVG WestFri Apr 20 1990 01:224
    
    Bagelry has nice buns (kaisers, actually)....
    
    
441.601st I notice the faceDZIGN::STHILAIREthere should be enough for us allFri Apr 20 1990 13:466
    Re .58, I am most susceptible to a cute face, but I admit that "nice
    buns" never hurt anybody.  The prime example is Bruce Springsteen's
    "Born In The USA" cover.
    
    Lorna
    
441.61"I got you, Babe" AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggghhhhhhh!TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeFri Apr 20 1990 19:178
    
>    Sonny Bono is not merely left wing, but a limo liberal.

I thought I read someplace that he was a Republican.  (Seriously.)  Or 
maybe you mean "liberal Republican."


							--Ger    
441.62THEBUS::GAGNONUOB! Your Worst Nighmare!! It lives!!!Fri Apr 20 1990 19:258
    
    Me, I like
    
    A big,
    
    hefty,
    
    wallet!!!!!
441.63Sorry! Couldn't resist.OTOU01::BUCKLANDand things were going so well...Fri Apr 20 1990 20:245
    re: .62 by GAGNON
    
    Aha!  At last an honest woman!
    				    8-) times 100
    
441.64Swimmers bodies are a fav of mineSKYLRK::BERGCalvin &amp; Hobbes 'lil sisFri Apr 20 1990 22:2016
    
    Since I'm not blind, of course I look.  I'm very surprized that only
    one other woman looks for what I do. 
    
    		HUMOR! HUMOR! HUMOR!
     
    Crazy, witty sense of humor.  Laughter gets me through this insanity.
    
    We all probably have our ideals but I've never met someone with all
    my preferences.  If we all (males&females) didn't look I'd suspect we
    were dead or liars.
    
    +-Sharon
    
    p.s. I have two Tom Selleck posters in my cube, but then I also have
         7 pictures of dolphins too.
441.65MMMMmmmmmmmmmm........LARVAE::WATSON_Cblooming... marvellous!Mon Apr 23 1990 15:439
    
    You got it Sharon!  Humour - that's the key...
    
    
    but if they've got a cute bum too, that'll definitely get my
    attention!!
    
    Chris   :-)
    
441.66..........SHAPES::PASSINGHAMLWed Apr 25 1990 13:082
    shoulders...
    
441.67CONURE::AMARTINMARRS needs womenWed Apr 25 1990 16:526
    What do women look for???
    
    
    For anything that men do NOT have, thats what...
    
    :-)
441.68the bigger the betterCSC32::HADDOCKAll Irk and No PayWed Apr 25 1990 21:122
    a large bulge in the wallet area ;^)
    f();
441.69SUBURB::PULLANRUpRising at the CastleThu Apr 26 1990 11:387
    >>    < Note 441.68 by CSC32::HADDOCK "All Irk and No Pay" >
    >>                           -< the bigger the better >-
    >>
    >>    a large bulge in the wallet area ;^)
    >>    f();

    But not all men carry their wallet in their front pocket :-)
441.70Why don't we all don pink and blue and get it over with?TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeThu Apr 26 1990 15:368
"Welcome, folks, to the Wide World of Stereotypes...."


Oy!


						--Ger				
441.72TLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeThu Apr 26 1990 15:439
>	What good are stereotypes if you can't laugh at them?
>
>-mike z

What's underneath the laughter and what harm does it do to people?


						--Gerry
441.74SUPER::DENISElittle lizard whipperThu Apr 26 1990 19:192
    
    	why don't you come across like that in SOAPBOX, Z?
441.76BARTLE::WINGJWhat do you do and why do you do it?Fri Apr 27 1990 20:4313
Re -.1 (-mike z)

->	I never take stereotypes to heart.
->
->	Nor do I take Soapbox to heart.


	Hallelujah brother.


	:) 

	--> :) John <--
441.77SUPER::DENISElittle lizard whipperTue May 01 1990 15:562
    
    	oh look! <SWAT!> a gadfly.
441.78DPDMAI::MATTSONIt's always something!Fri Jun 15 1990 15:164
    A really nice beard will get my attention real fast, and second, a nice
    tush.
    
    Becky
441.79A Man is Good For.....DELREY::UCCI_SAFri Jun 15 1990 20:1361
    A poem by W. Farrel sums up what I look for...............
    
    A Man Is Good For........
    
    Taking out the garbage
       and carving up the meat;
    For driving when he's exhausted
       and I want the passenger seat;
    
    He's good for changing a light bulb
       and, oh, yes, for changing a tire;
    For taking the top off an uptight jar
       and chopping wood for a fire;
    
    He's good for steering a car through fog and
       fishing with our son;
    For raking fallen leaves and
       making up bad puns;
    
    For spinning ghost stories to the kids
       ("Make it scary...but not TOO scary!")
    For telling the children the quarters were left
       by a magical tooth fairy;
    
    For reaching back into a cupboard high
       while his fanny sticks out far,
    (As he removes a rusty waffle iron
       from behind a dusty jar);
    
    For watching Monday Night Football games
       and acting like he's the winner,
    For taking me to restaurants and
       reflexively paying for dinner;
    
    For letting me stick a snowball down
       into his private part;
    For giving a head start in a race
       (he's really just a kid at heart!);
    
    For riding roller coasters, saying he's
       glad I was born . . .
    For coaching the kids at baseball,
       for returning to mow the lawn;
    
    He's good for painting houses
       and for renovating a flat;
    For keeping me warm when it's freezing
       despite one less layer of fat;
    
    But most of all he's good for coats
       he puts around my shoulder,
    For the way he swings our
       daughter about, for how he stops to hold her;
    
    For the way he says, "I love you"
       with his strong but tender hugs,
    And, oh yes, men are good for . . .
       killing spiders and swatting bugs!!
    
    
    Sandie
441.80Egad!!CSCMA::ARCHListen to your heartSun Jun 17 1990 14:159
    Bleccch!  How sexist can you get???  (Gee, did they really have
    Monday Night Football in the 19th century??)  8-o

    What I look for in a person: Intelligence; sense of humor; sensitivity/
    understanding; easygoing personality; sincerity; good physical shape; 
    pleasant voice; affectionate; nice eyes, smile and hair.  Dimples and 
    freckles are a plus.

    deb (who is not helpless, thank_you_very_much...)  8-}
441.81CONURE::AMARTINMARRS needs womenMon Jun 18 1990 14:422
    "What do women look for"?
    well, per .79, A grunt!
441.82Pecs before PersonUSWRSL::SHORTT_LATue Oct 23 1990 05:1114
    
    I look at a man's neck first (too many vampire movies).  Then his
    forearms.  If a man has strong forearms it's a pretty good bet
    that the rest of the bod is in shape.
    
    Before I get blasted, yes this is a purely physical description
    that has nothing to do w/the human inside.  
    
    This is what I *look* for, it's the person inside that *keeps* me.
    
    
                                     L.J.
    
    
441.83My opinion is:RTOEU::CKOEVTue Oct 23 1990 10:5717
    
    1. His Eyes (eyes are very important even if you want to 
       know more than obvious things like only look etc.)
    
    2. his voice (for me it's very important, because if the
       voice is ugly to me the whole person doesn't interest me.
       Also the kind of talking and how do you express yourself has
       something to do with voice.
    
    3. How is he dressed
    
    4. The whole appearance (smart etc.)
    
    These are the most important points to me when I see a man
    I could be familiar with.
    
    C.
441.84Hey! I know that person!SELECT::GALLUPDrunken milkmen, driving drunkTue Oct 23 1990 12:269


	It's most definitely eyes....but it has to be more than just
	eyes.  He has to know how to use them......that sly, twinkling
	look, mischievous, teasing.......  eyes can say a LOT of things,
	and someone that knows how to use their eyes can make me melt! 8-)

	kat
441.85Yes, and glasses help, too...FROCKY::LIESENBERGIt's supposed to be fun!Tue Oct 23 1990 12:5414
    It's funny, for my theory is that being short-sighted is quite an
    advantage. When you forget your glasses somewhere, the constant
    twinkling when trying to focus the other person (which, with my 3
    dioptries is quite hard except at VERY short distances..) is a sure
    path to cause interest. Problem with this approach is that YOUR
    perception of the other person resembles something you normally
    associate with impressionistic paintings like the ones from Renoir or
    Monet, which could be risky...
    And wearing glasses tends to underline that mischievous look, too. Must
    be the slightly magnifying effect of the glasses.
    Forget contact lenses! 
    Besides, studies in Israel's army showed that short-sighted men, in
    average, are deliverers in the IQ department, too.
    ...Paul
441.860^0REGENT::WOODWARDI've got friends in low places.Tue Oct 23 1990 14:315
    glasses...ick. I've seen very few people look more attractive in
    glasses.  Most people ('cept James Spader {see this month's GQ cover})
    look "bookish" in glasses. 
    
    kate
441.87Your sample isn't large enough!NITTY::DIERCKSBent, in a straight world...Tue Oct 23 1990 18:0012
    >><<< Note 441.86 by REGENT::WOODWARD "I've got friends in low places." >>>
    >>                                -< 0^0 >-
    >>
    >>glasses...ick. I've seen very few people look more attractive in
    >>glasses.  Most people ('cept James Spader {see this month's GQ cover})
    >>look "bookish" in glasses. 
    >>
    >>kate
    
    	Obviously, you haven't seen me!
    
    	   Greg    8-)
441.88since you askedSNOC02::WRIGHTPINK FROGSTue Oct 23 1990 23:0416
    
    Strong forearms, yes.  Sometimes they are enough to sent shivers up my
    spine no matter what the rest is like (body and mind).
    
    The eyes next, the ability to look at my face (not other bits!).
    
    Above all a sense of humour.
    
    Quite frankly, I am not turned on by, neither do I ogle a man's bum
    unless I know him well.  It just seems too intimate and makes me
    uncomfortable.
    
    Mind you, I have no problems ogling a bare-chested well-built man!
    
    		Holly
    
441.89BOOKISH!!!! I mean, REALLY!GWYNED::YUKONSECbeing gentle is *not* being wimpy!!!!!!!!!Mon Oct 29 1990 16:526
re:  .86, then .87


or me!

E Grace
441.90VMSZOO::ECKERTOnce-upon-a-time never comes againMon Oct 29 1990 20:455
    re: .89
    
>or me!
    
    How do we know that to be true, E Grace?!  8-)
441.91It really depends...RIPPLE::BARTHOLOM_SHUser_Friendly does not = Idiot_ProofTue Oct 30 1990 16:5234
          Back to the question at hand...

          What do I notice when admiring God's creation, in particular
          men?
          It honestly depends on where I am...

          For example:

          At_the_Beach

          A hairless chest and strong looking legs and arms are the first
          thing I notice from the back or front. It doesn't hurt if it is
          nicely tanned either.

          At_the_Office

          Well-groomed men draw my attention in more formal surroundings.
          This includes everything from his hair to his clothes to his
          hands. And I actually find glasses on a man very sexy!


          At_the_Mall

          A pair of Levi's only help to emphasize a nice backside. That
          is what I notice when coming up from the back. Hair and eyes
          (colors don't matter) are what I notice when approaching from
          the front.


          That is what I notice when *admiring* or *looking* at a man,
          but it is not what I care about when *interested* in a man. I
          wouldn't be human if I didn't look at all those handsome fellas
          in the world!
    
441.92Heh heh heh!GWYNED::YUKONSECbeing gentle is *not* being wimpy!!!!!!!!!Tue Oct 30 1990 19:138
 >> re: .89
    
>>>or me!
    
>>    How do we know that to be true, E Grace?!  8-)


              (-;
441.938^) Diercks and E Grace have *the* look! 8^)REGENT::WOODWARDWed Oct 31 1990 11:3311
    RE:  87 & 89!
    
    Okay Okay !  8)
    
    I take it back. Everyone who wears glasses is sexy, suave, 
    attractive, etc etc. ESPECIALLY attractive are people who
    wear those lab glasses, you know, the ones with the thick
    black plastic frames that were popular in the 50s...
    Yea, those *really* turn me on!  
    
    Kate
441.94Please, I meant *classy* glasses!FRAMBO::LIESENBERGIt's supposed to be fun!Wed Oct 31 1990 12:3210
    Yearrrg, I didn't mean those glasses... glasses can be a damn fine
    "accessoire" to look real smart...
    Anyway, they can be damn inconvenient, too, especially when both
    partners wear glasses and they try to passionately kiss... or when
    you're kissed and the thought crosses your mind "dang, I'll have to
    clean the glasses afterwards!"...
    Still, good to see there's another believer in glasses, you won't
    regret it, welcome to the world of high IQs, intellectuality and
    mischievous glances... :-)
    ...Paul
441.95Sometimes they can be VERY sexy!CYCLST::DEBRIAEthe social change one...Wed Oct 31 1990 13:5413
    
    	I'm in between on the glasses issue. Some people look really sexy
    	to me with them, others I feel look better without. I haven't found
    	any rule for it that I can tell... 
    
    	Several of my friends in the clothing retail business have glasses
    	with just clear glass in them that they wear out when they want
    	that sexy intelligent or comfortable toned-down look. Just one of
    	their many fashion accessories...
    
    	-Erik                             
    
     
441.96QUIVER::STEFANIIce ice baby to go...Wed Oct 31 1990 14:006
    re: .95
    
    Along those lines, you can also pick up colored contact lenses to match
    your outfits..."Honey, should I have blue or grey pupils tonight?"  
    
        - Larry  :-)
441.97SA1794::CHARBONNDbut it was a _clean_ missWed Oct 31 1990 17:082
    re .94 Whispering "take your glasses off" or reaching up and
    slowly removing her glasses can be verrrry stimulating :-)
441.98men do make passes at women in glasses.IAMOK::MITCHELLWed Oct 31 1990 17:3713

	Well.......I wear glasses and I like men who wear glasses.

	I've got gold framed glasses for when I wear gold jewelry,
	silver framed for when I wear silver jewelry, three pairs
	of plastic framed glasses..and a pair with red frames for
	when I wear red.  I started to wear glasses when I was
	28 years old......and they have become a part of my
	fashion accessories.  


	kits
441.99BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsWed Nov 07 1990 10:588
        Alas.   .    .according to the polls, I suppose the long hair
        (4" - 5"  past  my  shoulders),  torn jeans (so bad they need
        spandex under them), and wearing earrings look is out.  Guess
        I'd better run right out and get my hair cut and buy some new
        suits.  :^)
        
        Matt_yeah_right_! 
441.100HLFS00::RHM_MALLOdancing the night awayWed Nov 07 1990 11:313
    I know someone who liked you the way you are, Matt.
    ;-)
    Charles
441.101LYRIC::BOBBITTsniff -- it's a Kodak Moment...Wed Nov 07 1990 11:559
>        Alas.   .    .according to the polls, I suppose the long hair
>        (4" - 5"  past  my  shoulders),  torn jeans (so bad they need
>        spandex under them), and wearing earrings look is out. 
    
    Whose poll are you listening to?  Certainly not mine!  Long hair is a
    definite plus!
    
    -Jody
441.102NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!SELECT::GALLUPCombat erotic illiteracyWed Nov 07 1990 12:2013



>        Guess
>        I'd better run right out and get my hair cut and buy some new
>        suits.  :^)


	If you do, Matt, I will PERSONALLY string you up by your toes
	and torture you with a cat 'o 9 tails.

	k
441.103BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsWed Nov 07 1990 12:4318
        
        Jody and Kathy,
        
        Have no  fear.    I  only  wear suits when the occasion DEEMS
        such.  As for  cutting  my  hair, NEVAH !  I hate the idea of
        looking like the `All American  Male', let alone doing such a
        thing.  (No offense to `All American Males' out  there.  It's
        just NOT for me.)
        
        If  anyone  knows  what  Mark  Slaughter looks  like,  I  can
        guarentee my hair will be that long by  next spring.  My perm
        is not far away. 
        
        Chuckie. . .
        
        How is TJ anyway ? ;^)
        
        Matt
441.104Oh yeah. . .BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsWed Nov 07 1990 12:447
|	If you do, Matt, I will PERSONALLY string you up by your toes
|	and torture you with a cat 'o 9 tails.
        
        Promises, promises ! :^)
        
        Matt
441.105HLFS00::RHM_MALLOdancing the night awayWed Nov 07 1990 13:194
    Yoh Matt!
    Tj's doing fine.... had a good look at the piccies again last night ;-)
    
    Chuckie
441.106have ya caught up with me ??LEDDEV::CALABRIAtype dirty to meWed Nov 07 1990 13:379
Thanx Matt!!, ya long-haired-nonconforming-bassplayin-rock-n-rolling-potato-
              farming-hippie-freak. 8^)  Was toying with the thought of a trim
	      'till I saw your note.  Whew!!!  Close call.... 8^o

	  						
	  					nonconformingly...

	  				             -sj
441.107BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsWed Nov 07 1990 14:1315
|                       -< have ya caught up with me ?? >-
        
        Nope. . .been askin' people if you're still alive ! :^)

|Thanx Matt!!, ya long-haired-nonconforming-bassplayin-rock-n-rolling-potato-
|              farming-hippie-freak. 8^)  Was toying with the thought of a trim
|	      'till I saw your note.  Whew!!!  Close call.... 8^o
        
        Sheesh !    Don't  do that -sj !  We wouldn't look like twins
        anymore ifn' ya'll did that now would we ? :^)
        
        By the  way,  thanks  for  the  compliment.    Back to potato
        farmin'.  .  .
        
        Matt
441.109?LEDDEV::CALABRIAtype dirty to meWed Nov 07 1990 16:227
    
    re .108
    
    Mike, is your reply intended to be taken as humor-sarcasm, or 
    serious-offending-categorizing ?  I can't tell.
    
    -sj
441.110Or at least he never answers his mail.SELECT::GALLUPCombat erotic illiteracyWed Nov 07 1990 17:119
>        Nope. . .been askin' people if you're still alive ! :^)



	No, John's dead last time I checked.


	k
441.111BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsWed Nov 07 1990 19:4314
        RE: .108
        
        Mike, HM is up and available.  Were you aware that it moved ?
        Maybe that's why you can't get there.
        
        Kathy,  you  have to PHONE John.  That's the only way  I  was
        able to get ahold of him.  :^)
        
        John, Mike can't grow his hair as long as we do.  Either that
        or he's just a wanna'  be  `All  American  Boy' !  (You know,
        shaves his chest, his legs, etc.  .  .  :^))
        
        Matt
441.112SELECT::GALLUPCombat erotic illiteracyThu Nov 08 1990 13:1721
        
>        Kathy,  you  have to PHONE John.  That's the only way  I  was
>        able to get ahold of him.  :^)


       Naw........I don't think John would appreciate me phoning
       him...........................................  8-}
       
>        John, Mike can't grow his hair as long as we do.  Either that


	That's it!  He's JEALOUS!

	Speaking of hair....I'm getting a haircut today and woe is me,
	I have NO idea what I want to do with it....Do I just get a
	trim, get it butched off into a flat-top?  Get it dyed black?
	Get some extensions?  Just WHAT do I want to do!!!!!



	kath
441.113BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsThu Nov 08 1990 13:559
|	Speaking of hair....I'm getting a haircut today and woe is me,
|	I have NO idea what I want to do with it....Do I just get a
|	trim, get it butched off into a flat-top?  Get it dyed black?
|	Get some extensions?  Just WHAT do I want to do!!!!!
        
        Let it grow Kathy ! :^)
        
        Matt
441.114SELECT::GALLUPCombat erotic illiteracyThu Nov 08 1990 14:3715


>        Let it grow Kathy ! :^)



	I look horrid in long hair, Matt.......


	Women look good in short hair, men look good in long.  Face it,
	it's a face of life.


	k
441.115BTOVT::BAGDY_MI'm the Lord of the WastelandsThu Nov 08 1990 14:497
|	Women look good in short hair, men look good in long.  Face it,
|	it's a face of life.
        
        I don't tinka' so !  Women look sexy in LONG hair !  
        
        Matt
441.116QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Nov 08 1990 15:015
I'm inclined to agree with Matt, Kath, having seen you both ways.  But
perhaps folks should take this particular discussion to mail and see if
we can get back on topic.

				Steve
441.117WAHOO::LEVESQUENo artificial sweetenersThu Nov 08 1990 15:201
 Shave it.
441.118CSC32::GORTMAKERwhatsa Gort?Fri Nov 09 1990 01:094
Kath,
Go long!

-j
441.119ESIS::GALLUPCombat erotic illiteracyFri Nov 09 1990 13:0218


	I suppose I'm safe this time...



	We decided to let my hair get longer, he shortened the sides and
	we're going to go a body-wave to give the top some fullness next time
	(so it can grow long and still look decent).


	I hope you're all satisfied.....however, I DID walk out with a
	new hole in my head.



	kath
441.120"no change-syndrome"FRAMBO::LIESENBERGIt's supposed to be fun!Fri Nov 09 1990 13:155
    I wonder how often I've heard female friends tell me "Today I'm going
    to get my hair cut, and I'll do something REALLY CRAZY and
    different"... Heck, it seems they always chicken out when they see the
    scissors, eh?
    ...Paul
441.121ASABET::RAINEYFri Nov 09 1990 13:267
    to me, crazy and daring is changing hairdressers!  Those scissors
    always make me quake :-)
    
    Christine
    
    PS-Matt, when you get the perm, let me know how it comes out.  I'm
    toying with the idea......
441.123LDYBUG::GOLDMANAmy, whatcha gonna do...Fri Nov 09 1990 20:2411
>    I wonder how often I've heard female friends tell me "Today I'm going
>    to get my hair cut, and I'll do something REALLY CRAZY and
>    different"... Heck, it seems they always chicken out when they see the
>    scissors, eh?
>    ...Paul

    	Not always!  When I decided I wanted something different, I went 
    from shoulder-length to nearly buzzed on one side!!  And this with
    a totally new hairdresser! ;^)

    	amy
441.124*yawn*SX4GTO::HOLTFri Nov 09 1990 20:361
    
441.125CSC32::J_OPPELTSave time -- see it my way.Fri Nov 30 1990 18:023
    re .88
    
    	Sounds like you are looking for Popeye.