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	By accident of course. A skirt that comes to the knee or
	a little above will ride high up on the thigh when sitting.

	
	And.....besides, you are supposed to be keeping your eyes
	on the road, not rubber necking into cars that you pass  :-)


	kits

    
    but how high is riding high on the thigh ? some are almost to the
    crotch ?
    
    of course i try to keep my eyes on the road but some ladies are so
    fine looking they deaerve a look even if it is only for a couple
    of miles
    
    i'm not complaining mind it makes a long ride home a little more
    enjoyable.
    
    and the do this in my limo's to and i like it there to :-)
    

    Skirt styles are getting shorter and minis are back!
    Also a lot of women work hard at keeping physcially fit, maybe they
    want to show off their hard work!!!  #:-)
    
    -Dotti.

    Even a long (below the knee) dress will hike up when you sit in
    a car - it is uncomfortable to pull it alllll the way down before
    you sit because then it is tight.  :)  Like men hitch up their pants,
    girls will hitch up their dresses (tho I have to say, I've never
    pulled one up to my crotch!) before they sit.  And sometimes, dresses
    (button down ones) will just go up on their own as you drive.  A
    modicum of decorum is polite, but then again, I never figured anyone
    would be peeking down in my car to check out my legs.  ;)
    
    ---kim

    
    well i have to admit i really like to look if and the sights are
    worth it as i have never seen and ugly leg just some better than
    others 
    
    and i have seen people doing things in cars also not that i haven't
    done some myself.
    
    but for the early reply that said she didn't think that guys looked
    in check out truck, bronco, blazers all those drivers look and if
    they stay along side you for a while i'm sure its not to check
    out your side molding.
    
    but the ones with the nicest legs drive the fastest and my bronco
    with a 400 engine gets rotten gas mileage driving fast so ladies
    please SLOW DOWN as i can't drive 55

Re: .7

Can you describe your truck a little better?  I want to stay FAR away from
you on the road!

				Steve

    
    thats okay steve i won't look at your legs no matter how much you show.

Re: .9

No, I want to avoid the accident you're likely to cause by your looking at
women's legs instead of the road!

				Steve

    From the female perspective:
    
    When I'm driving (esp. long distance) I don't really think about how
    high my skirt/dresses are hiking up.  They just *do*.  I have no
    intention of showing off my legs, but I prefer comfort in driving (and
    it's harder when you have a standard and you have to keep "clutching")
    and if my skirt hikes up ... oh well.
    
    I never thought about men in trucks checking me out though.  Food for
    thought ....
    
    
    Tammi
    

	 
	 
         I say......so what?

	 It's not like they haven't seen it before, ya know?

	 I quite often wear straight/snug skirts so I pull mine up so
	 that I can drive....(my car's a five-speed)  It's more
	 comfortable.

	 If you wanna look at my legs, then fine!  If ya get lucky ya
	 might even see something else.

	 Hope you get your jollies, because that's about as close as
	 yer gonna get!  ;-)

	 kath

	 

	 RE: -.1

	 Well, the way I see it.... tain't nothin' they han't see
	 befo'
	 
	 
	 
         :-)

	 (Then again, who ever said I was the discrete one)

	 kath

    
    i'll agree with you that it is nothing that i haven't seen
    before but the varity sure does make a long drive worth while.
    and being a leg man helps it but i do agree that there are
    alot of women who are keeping themselves in great shape and their
    legs look great so all i can say is
    
    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LADIES AS WE ENJOY LOOKING
    
    and for the lady who hikes her dress up to drive the 5 speed
    which way do you go home? :-)
    
    frank

    What does "driving a five speed" have do do with it?
    
    Or shouldn't I ask?
    
    ed

    
    i'm asuming that she has to use a clutch to drive it and it gives
    her less confiment when she has to shift.
    hope i'm next to her in bumper to bumper traffic :-)
    
    hey nice legs !!!!!!
    
    frank

    
    While I didn't realize some (one) guy(s) purposely look into cars, at
    one point in time I used to change clothes while driving my car.  To
    be sure I was very aware of the people in the cars around me, and I
    carried 3 or 4 towels to cover myself while changing.  (Not interested
    in providing a show).
    Nowadays the only time I purposely hitch-up my dress/skirt while driving 
    is during the summer to stay cool.  (Only just yesterday almost 80 degree
    weather).   Sometimes however, just climbing into my little car my
    dress/skirt ends up around my thighs, since I'm not interested in
    providing any shows, I will remember Frank, and immediately correct the
    situation.   (Thanks for bringing my attention to this!) 
    --Sharon         

    
    ah comeon sharon give us (me) a break i'm sure i'm not the only
    guy who has looked and besides this passes the time on the highway.
    and if i saw you doing that stuff i probably would have been so
    shocked that i would have passed out.
    
    
    but whats more dangerous lookingout your window or changing
    your clothes while driving lets find out i'm leaving at 4:00 p.m.
    meet you on 495 .
    
     oh one more question why 3 or 4 towels 1 should really be
    enough :-)
    
    frank

Re: .20

Since Sharon's in California, Frank, I'd say you have a long drive ahead
of you...

			Steve

    
    ah those calif. women anybody want to carpool
    
    as the song goes 
    
    west coast has the sunshine and the girls are hit with tans.
    
    lets check for tan lines
    
    Sharon were on our way with permenent grin from ear to ear
    
    frank :-)
    
    

     This is one of the dumbest notes I've seen in a long time.
    
    -roger
    

Zarlenga>Notes> Set Note/Title="The Official Human_Relations Chat Note" 436.0

	 Yes, except this happens to be Mennotes.




	 Well, I admit when I drove our truck in high school, that I
	 looked at men.

	 Men do some rather interesting things when they're driving.


	 kath

    
    being new to this file i didn't understand that there are 205 intro.
    in note 2 and out of that 205 people that if i was kidding around
    with some one and not insulting anyone and keeping it clean that
    one person has the right to tell me it has gone to far unless that
    person is a moderator correct me if i am wrong but if there is a 
    note that one does not want to read is there a rule that he has to read
    every response or just go to the next note
    
     
    may be its because i'm not part of that persons group or new and
    he doesn't want me to say to much
    
    maybe i'll just go back to reading
    
    frank

>	 Men do some rather interesting things when they're driving.



	such as ?

    
    okay i understand now and no harm done on both sides i hope

    RE: back a few....Sharon, I've seen some people doing rather
    unusual/unsafe things while driving, but holding up(?) towels
    and changing clothes while driving on a highway(?) ?????
    
    Care to give us any details on how you accomplish this without 
    causing or being involved in a major accident ?????
    
    And I thought people who read while driving were a hazard :-0
    
    Paul C.

    
    i have that changing in a car is dangerous but i have done it
    but i only needed one towel i can't wait to hear how she does it
    
    frank

RE> .19 Sharon

1.  What does somebody do in an accident when one is wearing a towel?
2.  Wonder how the newspaper would handle this?
3.  Sharon how would you explain this to the police?
4.  If you were in an accident, would it be hit and run?
5.  Do you have a "blanket coverage" on your insurance?

I thought that drugs and alcohol where the main killers. Really this is an 
interesting topic, and yes it is wierd what people do on the road. 

Phil

    
    WHOAAAAAA!  Am I the only one who changes(d) in my car regularly!
    
    I just happen to carry a lot of towels in my car, I didn't need all
    of them to change.  I also did not "hold the towel up".
    Let me make this clear, I do not need to watch myself change, I know
    how to get clothes off without looking.  Most people probably had no
    idea I was changing.
    Two different styles of changing:
    1) pants
       Take off shoes.  Place towel on lap.  Without looking, unzip pants
       and slide pants off gently to the car floor.  
       Next, start dressing myself (without looking) with whatever I needed
       to be changed into.
       All the while trying to be inconspicious.  If I wanted people to 
       know I was changing I could have made a big production out of it.
     2) dresses
        This is more difficult and requires 2 towels.  One lap and one for
        shoulders.
    
    p.s.  When stopped at signal lights next to large vehicles stay covered
          and wait til moving to change.
    
    p.s.s I had no plans on getting in an accident, I'm sorry if you don't
          think a clothes change can be done safely.  If there was an
          accident, I believe a simple explanation of I was changing my
          clothes. 
    Questions?                   
    --Sharon 

           
Gee, I don't see how this note can offend anybody. Maybe it should be titled,
"What you have seen people do will driving". This is mensnotes is'nt it? A lot 
of "GUY"S probably think the same thing, its just that Frank had the juts to 
bring it up. I say thanks Frank, it made my day.

Great Sharon for being truthful, not many would say what you said. Yes there 
are more comicial things I've seen people do while driving, pecially we hen
they think no one is looking. 

This note is not as bad as some in this file, some of these should not even 
be listed in a "mensnotes file". Just my 2 Cents.

Phil

        re .37
        
>>	Gee, I don't see how this note can offend anybody.
        
        A complaint about the titles wouldn't have surprised me:
        
   436  HPSTEK::CONTRACTOR    4-APR-1990    37  legs the word of the day
        HPSTEK::CONTRACTOR    4-APR-1990  436.2  help spread the word
        HPSTEK::CONTRACTOR    4-APR-1990  436.7  help spread the word
        
        Dan

RE> .38

  RE>.38
   Come on with the play on words. Something like that can be taken anyway
   you want. A " Nice person" would'nt take it that way. Maybe I might like 
   certain topics 99,321,380,384,385, but I'm not the only person on this
   node. I also don't beleave in censership. We all know were the next or
   unseen key is if we don't want to read certain notes. Enough said.....

   Phil

   c

 ome on with the play on words

RE>.38

    
    mornin!
    
    this is just one of the things that i have seen driving in my truck
    however the things that i have seen in the limo's that i drive
    could write a book. lets just say if you can think about it i've
    probably seen it.
    
    as for my titles which is a play of words i have a poster hanging
    that has a girl standing with her back towards you bent over
    and it has "legs is the word of the day help........." no 
    offense was ment to any of the women here and from what i've seen
    there was none if so i'm sorry.
    
    but this was just something i've seen alot of lately and their are
    some nice looking legs out there and it makes a 48 mile ride amusing
    think what goes on tthat you don't see and comeon guys think of
    the things you would want to have done if you could find the right
    person i can't be the only one.
    
    just having fun
    
    frank

    If you want someone with nice shapely strong legs, try hanging out
    in skating rinks - both ice and roller...
    
    Best darn legs in the state can be found there...
    
    :-)

 Changing clothes while driving a motor vehicle is an unsafe act. It only takes
one small mistake to cause an accident. It is no more logical or reasonable
than reading a book or applying makeup while driving. Pull over to the side of
the road to change and arrive safely 2 minutes later.

 The Doctah

    
    
    comeon now guys lets not tear her apart on changing that is not
    my intention here in this note if she wants to do that iys her choice
    but i'll keep my eyes open for her. 
    i've done this when late for a limo run and yes it is dangerous
    but then again so is walking in boston
    so back to the subject came in this morning for 6:00 a.m. and
    being dark and almost no one on the road i did't even see one
    woman sure makes a long ride.
    
    maybe a couple of you ladies wouldn't mind getting up a little earlier
    
    
    
         SHES GOT LEGS AND SHE KNOWS HOW TO USE THEM
    
      as zz top would say
    
    farnk

    
  <<< Note 436.43 by WAHOO::LEVESQUE "Is any of this sinkin' in now, boy?" >>
    
>> Changing clothes while driving a motor vehicle is an unsafe act. It only takes
>>one small mistake to cause an accident. It is no more logical or reasonable
>>than reading a book or applying makeup while driving. Pull over to the side of
>>the road to change and arrive safely 2 minutes later.

>> The Doctah 
    
    
    Thank you very much for telling us that, mr Know-All. We - stupid
    people - couldn't come up with your profound observations.
    
    Bo ;-(                                                                  

   This subject makes me think of a movie I seen with Robin Williams.
I could'nt believe that could happen to a person. 

Phil

    
    phil
      how about telling us so we know to instead of keeping it a secret.
    
    hey Sharon i brought in a beach toewl for the ride home now how
    do i do this ?
    
    i have to say that so far the girls that drive small foriegn cars
    and sport cars have the nicest legs and show the most and
    i by chance my hand hits the horn they also have the nicest smile
    at least the ones who faces i've seen ( yes they have faces)
    
    kath just what have you seen guys do when you drove the family truck
    
    frank
    
    

RE>.48

Frank, I believe the movie was "The World According To Garp"? Garps wife had 
been seeing one of her students. He was taken her home one day and they were 
in an accident. The next thing she was in the hospital with her jaw wired 
shut. I can't remember if he died or not, its been awhile. 

    
    

    
    
    now i remember that movie he crashed into the car in his driveway
    and his wife was in the car with one of her students and she was
    doing something i can't say here 
    
    so i guess you don't have to be changing your clothes to cause
    an acciedent
    
    
    and they had no towels ha ha :-)
    
    

    Women are not objects to be ogled.
    
    I find this note as offensive to that sentiment as a wet T-shirt
    contest.
    
    Edd

>               <<< Note 436.51 by WEFXEM::COTE "Bain Dramaged" >>>

>    Women are not objects to be ogled.
	 
	 
         It's a truly wonderfully advanced era where women can be
	 appreciated for their bodies as well as be respected for
	 their mind.


	 I'm a woman...I love being "ogled."  I'm also a damn good
	 engineer, and I have the respect accorded such.
	 


	 I find this note refreshing.....I believe every man that has
	 contributed here has respect for women....I haven't detected a
	 single breath of "objectificiation."

	 And being a woman, I feel that I would probably be the first
	 to sense it.


	 Appreciating a body is only sexist and demeaning when the
	 person doing to ogling has no concept that the object of
	 his/her desire is more than just great legs or a nice bulge.

	 kath

    
    kath thanks for saying that as that it was not my intenion to offend
    anyone and i'm glad you feel that way.
    
    as for wet t-shirts contest as a former member of a motorcycle club i 
    have attended a few and yes we did ogled at them but if they were up
    there they knew what they were going to get and the more noise the
    growed made for them determined the winner and here we are not looking
    for a winner just some good fun in a friendly discussion ( i think )
    all i can say is i hope it goes on here and other notes losen up a
    little 
    
    one question did you feel this way at note 1 or was it note 48?
    
    i'm glad summer is coming it means more legs to look at.
    
    not ot sound stupid but what does ogled mean?
    
    frank
    
    

    OGLE=
          To stareat,esp. impertinently, flirtatiously, or amorously.
    
            Hot legs, I love em'.
    
    Do you really think, that if a MAN gives you a 2nd look, he has no
    respect for you ?
    
    If so, why do women spend big $ to look pretty/sexy.
    
    I would think it would make you feel good about yourself as a WOMAN.
    
                      With full respect, 
                         Dan            and, ohya..........;*)

>    ogled - stared at, objectified, leered at, undressed-with-the-eyes...


	 Actually, no, Jody.

	 ogle -- to stare at flirtateously and/or amorously.



	 Objectification is NOT in the stare....it's in the heart.

	 kath

    re: what people do in cars....while driving
    
    
    
    The number one (#1) thing that people (both men and women) do in
    their car .........because they don't think anyone can see them
    or that anyone who does see them, knows them, is................
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Pick their nose.   8^)
    
    
    
    Ken

Go getum Kathy. 

" She's got legs and she knows how to us them."

                just not the same thing.
    As to not offend anyone, I have deleted some of my entries I thought
    might be offensive to anyone. They were not meant to be offensive !
    
    The way I see it, men are attracted to women, women are attracted
    to men. It's what makes the world go round and grow in population.
    I think a thing called hormones has something to do with it.
    
                             BUT
    I still like/love to look at a womens pretty legs. (hope I always do)
    
    /Dan   ;-)

    
    I love men!  I love to have men oggling me.  I love it when they follow
    me home.  
    
    

>             <<< Note 436.60 by ELWOOD::GROLEAU "Just for today" >>>
    
>    The way I see it, men are attracted to women, women are attracted
>    to men. It's what makes the world go round and grow in population.
>    I think a thing called hormones has something to do with it.

	 Well, uhm...not actually so.

	 Some men are attracted to men and enjoy looking at sexy men.
	 Some women are attracted to women and enjoy looking at sexy
	 women.

	 It's all a matter of taste which MOTAS you look at.  But
	 sexiness and desire are equal across the board no matter
	 what.  No one will ever be able to convince me that desire
	 and lust are necessarily bad things in and of themselves.

	 kath

                     What can I say ?
    
            I value the difference. (O.K.)
                                            Dan   :-/ (/=churchlady)

    Frank, Phil, and Kath, you all have a right to voice your opinions.
    
    My opinion is that this is still the dumbest note that I've read in
    a while, and reduces the appreciation of the opposite sex to its
    most idiotic level.
    
    Frank is basically saying "Come on, ladies, show off your bodies to
    me and give me a good time."  It furthers the objectification of 
    woman by seperating one part of their physique from the rest of
    their person, and is therefore sexist, in my opinion.
    
    It is the verbal equivalent of a wet T-shirt contest, or mud-wrestling,
    which to me is a demeaning activity to women, or men.
    
    -roger
                                                        
    

    
    Nice legs with very high heels is nice too.
    

    RE: roger...the little (') button over the ENTER key on your keyboard
    activates the NEXT UNSEEN function. You may wish to try it if the
    contents of this particular note bother you. Some people seem to find
    it amusing.
    
    Paul C.
    

    Paul:
    
    I have the same right to express my opinion as anyone else here, and
    as to whether or not harm is being done is a matter of 
    personal judgement. You see it as harmless; I see it as sexist.
    
    You can next unseen my replies, if you like.
    
    -roger
    
    

    RE: .68  no problem there, roger. We all have a right to our opinions.
    
    I was getting the feeling (maybe incorrectly) that you felt the note
    was completely inappropriate for a work environment because men were 
    making comments on women's physical attributes (depite the fact that
    they were being made in what most feel to be a non-sexist way).
    
    Sorry it upsets you, that's all.
    
    Paul C.
    
    

>        <<< Note 436.65 by SOLANA::C_BROWN_RO "roger brown, as usual" >>>
    
>    Frank is basically saying "Come on, ladies, show off your bodies to
>    me and give me a good time."

	 I understand now how you interpret what Frank is saying.


	 However, I interpret it as "ladies, just thought I'd let you
	 know your beauty is admired and appreciated"


	 Let's agree to disagree.

	 kath
                                                        
    

    One of my best memories of campus life is how nice the whole place
    looked the first few days of spring.  And, it was legs not greenery
    that brightened up the place.
    
    ed

    
    well the best way to find out what frank meant was to ask frank?
    
    okay lest di that. hey frank whats the story?
    
    and frank will answer. this was not meant to be sexist in any way
    just a topic to discuss in general what do these guys think i do 
    drive along side them for 10 miles ( no really 5) its just a casusl
    look out the window at the passing car and being in a four wheel drive
    i can see in the car better than the people in cars.
    course the people in cars can look at each and see them picking their
    noses and thats okay. anyway being the high after the CASUAL glance
    my thought is sometimes boy she has nice looking legs or boy she
    looks nice.if thats sexist well put me in my grave.
    
    as for me being in a motorcycle club i was also a boyscout but the must
    have screwed up as i went to be a big bad bigger. i was also a bouncer
    at a night club. and now i have coached little league for eight years
    i'm also a member of the elks but since i was a member of a motorcycle
    club i guess i'm just some kind of scum to you all i know
    is last year i made $48000 so if i'm the degenerate you say i am at
    least i am a well paid one.
    
    re:62 gagnon
    
      since no one else asked how do i follow you home?
    
      (ooppps i'm being sexist again or maybe he is just having fun
           you be the judge)
    
    frank
    

>    Thank you very much for telling us that, mr Know-All. We - stupid
>    people - couldn't come up with your profound observations.

 Obviously someone disagrees with me; she routinely changes in transit.

 Save your personal insults. It's very unbecoming of a self-appointed CEO.

 The Doctah

    
    hey bonnie i'll give you a free night out with a 10 passenger limo.
    
    and thanks for your support as there was no harm intended.and i 
    guess i have to watch what i put here as some people can't generalize
    on some statements.
    
    oh yeah now tell me she is in califonia or colorado long ride but
    i'll do it.
    
    frank :-) smiling all the way

>                    <<< Note 436.78 by HPSTEK::CONTRACTOR >>>
    
>    oh yeah now tell me she is in califonia or colorado long ride but
>    i'll do it.

	 Naw...Bonnie's in Mass, I'm the one in Colorado....at least
	 for 6 more days I am.


	 kath

    
    well i'm glad to hear she is close by.
    
    kath where are you going in 6 days maybe here?
    
    i'm still waiting to see if i have to increase my bribe yet
      
    frank
    

>    kath where are you going in 6 days maybe here?


	 Depends on where "here" is.


	 Marlboro.

	 kath