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    TRIPLE COW CHIPS !!!!!!

    IN RESPONSE TO YOURE VERY INTERESTING COMMENTS I SAY THIS.IF I GOT
     THE ONE CUT OPERATION WHICH I WANTED BUT DOCTOR SAID TO MANY LEGAL
     PROBLEMS I WOULD PROBABLY NOT EVEN BE HERE ON THIS LINE.I WAS FULLY
     AWARE OF THE RISKS AND I LOST.I KEPT MY REPLY PRETTY MUCH UNPERSONAL
     COMPARED TO WHAT I HAVE READ IN HERE.NOW AS TO THE ELECTRICIAN
     I ASKED TWO DOCTORS ,,THEY SAID NO SWEAT.NOW OBIOUSLY YOU DID NOT
    READ ALL OF IT .THERE IS IF YOU HAVENT NOTICED ALOT OF MALPRACTICE
    SUITS WHY MAYBE BECAUSE PATIENTS ARE GETTING TIRED OF GETTING BUTCHERED
    IM NOT SAYING MY DOCTOR IS A BUTHCHER MAYBE THE PROCEDURE IS AT
    FAULT,BUT LET ME TELL YOU THAT IN MANY CASES DOCTORS ARE BETTER
    OFF WIRING MY HOUSE LET THE ELECTRICIAN DO THE OPERATION.NOW AS
    FOR COWCHIPS IF I HAVE BUTCHER PUT IT ON A PLATE FOR YOU AND HE
    TELLS YOU ITS STEAK I HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT YOU WOULD EAT IT!BON 
    APPATEET! OH AND EXCUSE THE SPELLING.ONE MORE THING THERE ARE ALOT
    MORE PEOPLE OUT WHO FEEL THE SAME ABOUT THIS OPERATION.BYE BYE NO
    MORE! 
    
     . 

 Sorry to hear it didn't work out. Please STOP USING CAPS! 

 FWIW- To the people who claim 'cow chips,' please allow our new visitor to
express his views without fear of a bovine ordure attack. He has related a 
very personal experience. That his experience differs from that of many others
is of no consequence; he still has a right to his opinion and I, for one, like
to hear ALL of the opinions. I believe the technique we have seen to discredit
Mr. Laster is known as "invalidating" elsewhere on the net. Disagree if you
wish, but allow each person to be heard.

The Doctah

re: .0 & .5

Bizarre! (oops)

 I MEAN, BIZARRE!

-Jack

    
    	To the base noter I say, just having the "CUT" will not
    	effect your sexual performance. If it did, then you do
    	have grounds for a suit, this means the operation wasn't
    	done correctly. Also, what makes you think that have the
    	operation reversed will also reverse the effects you are
    	having? If the doctor did cut a nerve (which he shouldn't
    	have, BTW) then there is no way he can repair that damage.
    	As I understand it (which may not be 100% correct), once
    	nerve damage is done it's done, period.
    
    	 I've had mine for over 18 years and have never had one
    	bit of trouble with sexual performance. If anything I'd
    	have to say it helped take the pressure off by my knowing
    	I won't become a daddy again.
    
    	See another doctor and ask him about your problem, it could
    	very well be some scar tissue pressing against the nerves or
    	something easily correctable.
    
    	Best wishes,
    
    	G_B

    
    Author: Please use lower case, it reads better.   
    
    I can't speak for the procedure first hand, but....
    
    The operation is only supposed to block delivery of sperm. Your
    plumbing was changed not the wiring.
    
    Done wrong I'll believe almost anything, including infection, sloppy
    cutting, or who knows.  FYI I know several people that felt it was
    the right choice, and also went fishing the same day(no unusual
    side effects).
    
    It is possibly the closest thing to an attack on ones maleness,
    and thus can have some real effects on the persona.
    
    Get help, if there is a phsyical problem don't delay it most likely
    won't get better on its own.  The sooner you take action the better.
    Oh yes, check other notes, the procedure is reversable (not 100%,
    of the time, sorry).  Above all get another opinion about the problem.
    
    Hope everything works out, john
    

    I had it done 15 years ago. It took about an hour but 45 mins of
    that was getting into the emergency room and being shaved. I went
    home and picked up a lazyboy rocker and carried it upstairs to the
    airconditioner. I proceeded to sit on ice for a few hours for the
    swelling. The next day I got on my motorcycle and went to work.
    There is nothing wrong with the procedure itself. There may be
    something wrong with the way some doctors implement it. And there
    may be something wrong with the way some recipients perceive it.
    You need to research those two areas. Get up and get moving.
    
    Dj

    As I understood it, the VAS DEFFERENCE was the object which was
    cut/cauterized in a vasectomy and this organ, like any other, has
    no nerve endings in and of itself.
    
    Consequently, the pain was in the cutting through the scrotum and
    surrounding tissue, which was healed, not cauterized.  THe nerves
    will heal.
    
    If this were not the case, most women would lose all interest in
    sex after the first natural childbirth :-).
    
    
    

See notes 10 and 297 for other discussions on vasectomies.

			Steve

    it's really unfortunate that the author of .0 had such an experience.
    after i had my vasectomy, my sex life improved dramatically...didn't
    have to wear condoms to prevent pregnancy (after 6 kids...you don't
    take risks!)...and of course the "feeling" actually improved, as
    one might suspect.
    
    without further knowledge.....it might be impossible to determine
    why the .0 author "lost" feeling...  but, from the base note, it
    appears that in his discussions with others (including the electrician)
    he was "expecting" a loss of feeling.... 
    
    then, he had the operation...which is so common and so simple...as
    to make me wonder if the physician goofed, or if perhaps our friend
    (.0 author) isn't actually suffering from a "loss" he inflicts on
    himself...with his expectations.

    sort of a "self-fulfilling prophesy"
    
    just a thought.
    
    tony

    I know I'm coming into this discussion a little late...
    
    When I had mine, (5 years ago) I had it done by a practicing
    experienced surgeon who was very clear in stating that "They're
    several styles of operations, some of them unsucessful, some new
    and not yet accepted by him, and some tested, and used for years..
     etc etc..."
    
    He said and I'll try to quote him directly because these
    words made an impression on me..
    
    "The operation was viewed as 'hard to reverse'.  But nothing should change
    physically except you can no longer reproduce. A change in the decsion
    to be sterile should be the only reason for reveral considerations...  
    Discomfort, and pain should be temporary, [here's the important part]
    and if discomfort, pain, or physicall limitiations continue after two to
    three weeks, something was done worng, or something has gone wrong
    with the healing process"
    
    I've had no problems, and I also urge to author of this note to
    seek medical counsil.  It has improved our sex life, and has not
    taken away from it.   I only experienced several days of discomfort,
    and for me, the real discomfort was due to sticthes, not the operation
    itself.
    
    do yourself a favor, don't blame your doctor without knowing the
    facts, but really, GO GET HELP !  You and your SO deserve to enjoy sex 
    again. 
            
    

    For those of you who want to know about reversal, Preterm Health
    Services in Brookline, MA do vasectomy reversals. They're number is
    1-800-432-1616.