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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

269.0. "The seven easy steps to electronic manhood" by CSC32::M_VALENZA (They say it's mostly vanity...) Tue Aug 23 1988 13:54

    So you want to be macho, but you just don't quite have it down.  You
    have learned how to drink manly beer and smoke cowboy cigarettes, but
    your belches lack a certain zing.  Your swagger doesn't swag.  You
    still order strawberry margaritas in Mexican restaurants.  Is there any
    hope for you?

    Yes!  Thanks to the miracle of noting, no one needs to know what you
    look or sound like!  You can hide behind your terminal screen and be a
    MACHO NOTER!  Now you can make up for all those times in your childhood
    when the neighbor kids called you a "sissy"--by taking out your
    neurotic hangups on your fellow Digital employees! 

    If you want to be a real man in notes, just follow these simple rules.

    1)  The first step is to read SOAPBOX as much as possible.  This will
    teach you how to shed politeness, consideration, and other sissy
    virtues.

    2) When writing notes, a Macho Noter always goes on the attack.  There
    is no such thing as an "honest disagreement" to the Macho Noter.  Those
    who disagree with you are always the "enemy".

    3) When responding to an enemy, always make sure that your reply is
    longer.  The person with the longest note always wins.  The best way to
    maintain a high sentence ratio is to quote each sentence that the
    opponent wrote and then respond to each with two paragraphs of text.

    4) Reply with non sequiturs and ignore the context of the sentence you
    are replying to.  This will throw your enemy off balance and put them on
    the defensive, because they will have to spend a lot of time explaining
    themselves.

    5) Never concede that your enemy made a valid point.

    6) Never apologize.

    7) Always reply.  Never let your enemy get the last word.  In this way
    you can wear down your opponent, who will finally just give up and
    concede victory to you.

    If you follow these simple rules, you will be on your way to noter
    manhood.

    -- Mike
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269.1RANCHO::HOLTI seen 'em..!Tue Aug 23 1988 14:512
    
    Are you offering seminars..?
269.2It's all over, bubba.COMET::BRUNOI'm a victim of SOI-cumcision!Tue Aug 23 1988 15:397
    Re: .0
    
         Mike, you are a true scholar of behavior.  That described so
    many noters perfectly that I could attach names to the list.  However,
    some of them came a bit too close to home.  I'm coming for you.
    
                                 Greg
269.3go for it!SSDEVO::ACKLEYwowTue Aug 23 1988 15:586
    
    RE: .0
    	You should post this in soapbox::.   After all, that's where
    the macho action is...
    
    					Alan.
269.4RE: .0 Flame off???????GRANMA::MWANNEMACHERTue Aug 23 1988 16:351
    Was it something we said?  
269.6Down, boy! Down!BOSTON::SOHNNever Turn Your Back on Mother EarthWed Aug 24 1988 01:0911
269.8thanks for the gentle shoveDPDMAI::BEANfree at last...FREE AT LAST!!Wed Aug 24 1988 13:167
    my ex-father-in-law was a preacher...
    he danced (stomped) o my toes a *lot*, it seemed...

    Now I remember how that feels like.  Thanks for reminding me.
    There is NEVER a bad /wrong time to behave gentlemanly!
    
    tony
269.9What do you call missus 'x'?CIMNET::LUISIWed Aug 24 1988 16:596
    
    I have an ex-wife who fits .O discription to the Tee.  I gave up
    trying to reason and be polite.  I just stopped [which really pi__ed
    her off].  What do you call a woman who behaves this way?
    
    ;-{) bill
269.10Its not all our fault !!!RAVEN1::TYLERTry to earn what Lovers ownThu Aug 25 1988 07:217
    RE: -1
    
     What do you call her?
    
     "Ex" of course!
    
    Ben
269.11ARTFUL::SCOTTMikey currently witholds opinion.Thu Aug 25 1988 19:2210
    Thank you for .0--it is eerily accurate.
    
    RE:  .3
    As far as I'm concerned, this should be posted all over the network. 
    I've never seen a conference where the main title was broad enough to
    emcompass controversial topics where this type of behaviour wasn't
    rampant.  If you know of one, I think there should be some mechanism
    for rewarding its participants.
    
    							-- Mike
269.12QUARK::LIONELIn Search of the Lost CodeThu Aug 25 1988 19:4910
    I would agree with the base note if it hadn't substituted "manhood"
    for "macho" at the end.  I have seen this behavior in women as well.
    I don't consider macho behavior to be a good thing.
    
    However, it is not worth being "posted all over the network" - that
    very act could be another item on the list of .0.  (Thinking that,
    because you thought of something, EVERYONE ought to be forced to
    read it.)
    
    				Steve
269.13ARTFUL::SCOTTMikey currently witholds opinion.Thu Aug 25 1988 20:026
    
    re:  .12
    (chuckle 8^)  You're right.  I was mostly responding to .3's seemingly
    denying that this behaviour happens anywhere other than in SOAPBOX.
    
    								-- Mike
269.14RANCHO::HOLTGreat Caesar calls (he's such a tyrant!)Thu Aug 25 1988 21:334
    
    re .12
    
    I would strike me as an act of militant self-righteousness...
269.15eunuchs preferredMCIS2::POLLITZThu Aug 25 1988 21:572
        The best way to electronic manhood is to agree with the
    majority and to deny one's masculine traits.
269.16Everybody's doin the machoGRANMA::MWANNEMACHERFri Aug 26 1988 12:503
    Gee, it seems to me that you can find this type of behavior displayed
    in any discussion and/or argument on any contraversial topic.  Hmmm,
    
269.18Your protest rings hollow.WILKIE::M_SMITHIt must be four bells, Matey.Fri Aug 26 1988 15:0925
    RE: .0
    
    Noter manhood?
    
    So, if I understand correctly, you think only men are afflicted with
    this sort of behavior.  I see just as much intransigence and
    insensitivity from women noters as I see from men.  I also see a lot of
    people falling all over themselves trying to be sensitive and coming
    across like so many Mr./Ms. Milquetoasts.  You, on the other hand aren't
    ever bothered by either of these maladies, are you? 
    
    Listen, when people have strong opinions, they are going to express
    them with strong words sometimes.  If they strongly believe in
    something, many people will resort to all the tricks known to debaters,
    including some of the ones you mentioned, in order to feel victorious
    about having made their point.  These practices seem to be most often
    used by people who people who refuse to think about their beliefs.  They
    *feel* they are right and that is good enough for them.   Does this
    make them "Macho Noters"?  No.  They just expose themselves as people who
    don't think.       
    
    You may not like this sort of behavior, but you aren't going to change
    it.   Particularly by indulging in such sarcastic polemics. 
    
    Mike
269.19MACHO, MACHO MAN...WHO WANTS TO BE A MACHO MANGRANMA::MWANNEMACHERMon Aug 29 1988 12:356
    Acyually the base note is easily translated to:  If your opinion
    is different than mine and you make valid arguments by adressing
    specific passages that I use to make my point, and make your note
    long and thorough, then you are trying to be macho.  Different styles
    and ideas have nothing tho do with it.
269.20HANDY::MALLETTPhilosopher ClownMon Aug 29 1988 19:2312
    re: .18
    
    I think Mike's (.0) note was meant primarily as a bit of humor
    (vs. "sarcstic polemics").  
    
    re: intrangsigence and insensitivity from women noters 
    
    My experience is just the reverse
    
    
    Steve
    
269.21Humor? I don't think so.WILKIE::M_SMITHIt must be four bells, Matey.Wed Aug 31 1988 18:1721
    re: .20
    
    >    I think Mike's (.0) note was meant primarily as a bit of humor
    > (vs. "sarcstic polemics").  
    
    
    If the writer of note .0 agrees with you, then so will I.  Personally,
    I saw no humor in his note.
    
    >        re: intrangsigence and insensitivity from women noters
    >
    >    My experience is just the reverse

    You are entitled to your opinion.  I find that women noters are no
    better or no worse than men noters.  The women noters who exhibit the
    above mentioned traits just seem to use milder terms when expressing
    themselves. 
    
    Mike                                    
    
                                                  
269.22HANDY::MALLETTPhilosopher ClownTue Sep 06 1988 03:5311
    Mike (S) -
    
    Even if the base note's author *does* agree with me, it's perfectly
    legit for you to find it humorless, sarcastic polemics.  If it
    doesn't strike you as funny, it doesn't, regardless of it's intent.
    
    Seems to me that part of what we're engaged in here is, in a small
    way, the day-to-day mechanics of "valuing differences"
    
    Steve
    
269.23OKWILKIE::M_SMITHIt must be four bells, Matey.Tue Sep 06 1988 17:389
    re: .22
     
    >Seems to me that part of what we're engaged in here is, in a small way,
    >the day-to-day mechanics of "valuing differences" 
    
     Can't argue with that!   Sounds to me like we have agreed to disagree.
    
    Mike