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209.2 | no smoking outside please | VENOM::MCKINNON | | Thu Jan 21 1988 15:25 | 3 |
| HOORAAY for the Marlboro men.... let the non-smokers go outside!!!!
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209.3 | | FIDDLE::MITCHELL | They're coming for you | Thu Jan 21 1988 15:29 | 7 |
| Let's have a party at Kerrys place !!!!!!!!!
So Kerry.....give us the date and time ;-) ;-)
kath
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209.4 | How long will the Marlboro Man live? | OVDVAX::KRESS | | Thu Jan 21 1988 16:03 | 5 |
| RE .1 & .2........maybe a new topic could be started for smokers
vs non-smokers????? :-]
Kris
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209.5 | | BUSY::KLEINBERGER | Vivo, ergo sum | Thu Jan 21 1988 21:53 | 3 |
| Hey Kerry,
If you have a party, I'll bring the potatoe salad :-)
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209.7 | Thunderstorms are not order-able though.. | DELNI::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Fri Jan 22 1988 05:03 | 9 |
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Have I been elected for something? Was it my hospitality at
my last party ("mike, you alright??" "Uuuuggggghhh")...
I'll be willing to host something... No swimming till
May/June though..
mike
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209.8 | It's beginning to look a lot like PARTY... | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Fri Jan 22 1988 08:39 | 9 |
| I like the idea of FEB'88, so how 'bout Kerry? Eagle?
You will allow women to come? (ok, attack that one...)
cj (who loves to party
but with moderation
of course ;-) meaning
I do generally find my
home withing 72 hours)
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209.10 | | CEODEV::FAULKNER | very serious... | Sat Jan 23 1988 19:48 | 8 |
| Eagle you are a doink of the highest caliber.
You forgot to mention that we will need tons of kische (sp?)
to show off our sensitivity!!!!!
sheesh !
Mike's place, may 7 1988, thanks mike your so nice, and almost forgot
wicked sensitive!
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209.11 | YEAH! | COMET::BRUNO | Beware the Night Writer! | Sat Jan 23 1988 22:51 | 5 |
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Oh m' goodness, I agree with Faulkner!
Greg
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209.12 | Sorry.. | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Mon Jan 25 1988 00:03 | 9 |
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Sorry kiddies.. May 7th is a definate NFW. It's my Mom's
Birthday and my sister is due the 8th.. Believe me,
I'll be WICKED busy!!
Pick another day,
mike
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209.14 | you ARE kidding right? | SALEM::AMARTIN | Vanna & me are a number | Mon Jan 25 1988 00:39 | 2 |
| re: last
NFW= no way with a little extra umph to it.
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209.15 | | FSLENG::HEFFERN | | Mon Jan 25 1988 03:30 | 9 |
| no Eagle, not HEFFERN, I'm an imposter. really DECXPS::CJACQUES.
Why does everyone want to wait till May? I know that came up if
it was at Mike's, but if you're talking Chopsticks, why not Feb.?
Wish I could contribute a place, but my place is just not set up
for party. Little too cozy :-)
cj *->
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209.17 | Nooo?? | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Thu Jan 28 1988 21:03 | 5 |
|
You mean it doesn't mean "No Fine Way"????
mike
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209.18 | long ago and far away | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Thu Feb 11 1988 11:22 | 7 |
| re .16
Reminds me of the young lady, in the module test area, that asked
me what was meant by the tag on the module. I told her that it
must mean 'Not Functioning Good'. 8-)
Bob Mc
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209.19 | Let's party | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Fri Feb 19 1988 14:17 | 6 |
| Let's have a party at my house. I don't have any cats to sneeze
at and you won't have to worry about anybody snooping in on you
in the bathroom, unlike some other places.
ps Radical feminists
need not apply Russ
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209.20 | | QUARK::LIONEL | We all live in a yellow subroutine | Fri Feb 19 1988 14:22 | 6 |
| Russ - if you wish to hold a party to a restricted set of noters,
please advertise it in the NETPARTY conference, not here. Any
"official" MENNOTES party will be open to ALL readers of the
conference.
Steve
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209.21 | like a rolling stone............... | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Fri Feb 19 1988 15:12 | 9 |
| re .20 OK Steve I'll do that.
I must say that since we've ALL become "liberated",
the "liberators" have made life so pleasant and enlightening
to us ALL.
no offense,
Russ
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209.22 | woos. | OPHION::HAYNES | Charles Haynes | Sat Feb 20 1988 02:45 | 19 |
| I don't understand Russ, are you being sarcastic and saying that you're
trying to be "liberated" but us radical feminists are still giving
you sh*t? Or are you saying that "liberated" people are a minority
and they are making life unpleasant for the majority? Or are you saying
something else?
I can't help wondering why you need to dis-invite radical feminists.
I was looking forward to discussing face to face some of the hard issues
that have been raised in this file. It's been my experience from going
to some of these parties that face to face people seem to communicate
and get along MUCH better than over the network. The network seems
to encourage flaming and rude behavior that people just don't do in
person.
Or are you afraid that you couldn't handle a few "radical feminists"
and want a "safe space" to party in?
Radical Feminist,
-- Charles
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209.23 | Loud mouths need not apply.... | SALEM::AMARTIN | nemoW SDEEN sraM | Sat Feb 20 1988 04:41 | 11 |
| aw lay off will ya? All he's saying is that he doesn't want people
that TALK SHIT!! Is that plain enough??? Geesh, Freedom of speech
or freedom of choice, which ever one you want. You People don't
like his views you do have a choise whether or not you want to read
it, but dont clutter up this or any other file with worthless crap
that noone want s to see. Take it from someone who KNOWS! You
wanna blast him? Take it up in personal_mail not here.
This statement does not in any way explain the feelings views of
this station or its affiliates. This concludes this persons 2c's
worth. thank you and have a nice day. :-)
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209.24 | | BUSY::KLEINBERGER | Vivo, ergo sum | Sun Feb 21 1988 11:52 | 15 |
| So Russ...
Exactly when is this party, and where???
I think its the best the MEN here in this file have, since you were
the only one who offered their place..
Time and place and what to bring (besides Bob) would be nice to
know....
Lets REALLY get this rolling....
G
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209.25 | sounds like "safe space" to me | OPHION::HAYNES | Charles Haynes | Sun Feb 21 1988 17:22 | 17 |
| Re: .22
"The network seems to encourage flaming and rude behavior that
people just don't do in person."
Re: .23
"... don't clutter up this file with worthless crap that noone
wants to see."
Q.E.D.
I doubt you would have said that to me in person... you're probably
a nice guy face to face.
Hope I can make the party,
-- Charles
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209.26 | | RANCHO::HOLT | Robert A. Holt | Sun Feb 21 1988 23:41 | 2 |
|
Yeah, should be a lively party...
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209.27 | Pahty! | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Mon Feb 22 1988 02:27 | 14 |
| RE: .24
The only person? I just said we can't have it May 7th or
8th.. I did say to pick another date.. I DIDN'T close my
place!! Pick the date and my place is open for the
party.. (Of course, my place IS better during the summertime
but you be the judge...)
Everyone is welcome. Afterall, I have MUCHO experience in
running/holding/having NetParties and I know that people
don't get as "heated" in person as they do in print.
mike
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209.28 | pin the tail on the donkey | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Feb 22 1988 04:11 | 38 |
| re .22 I can handle anyone, but prefer the company of people
that count.
"To Radical Feminists sex-class is the basic division in
the world. All women are our natural allies (whether they
know it or not), all men are our enemy." -- Radical Feminists,
1972, London.
from "Thoughts on Feminism"
"It is the aim of radical feminism to organize politically
to destroy this sex-class system. We are engaged in a
power struggle with man, and that the agent of our oppression
is man insofar as he identifies with and carries out the
supremacy privileges of the male role." -- New York Radical
Feminists, 1969
"Radical feminists advocate only those systems in which
everyone has equal rights. Radical feminists advocate
social, economic, political, and psychological exper-
imentation." -- Christine Delphy, Christine Delphy:
French Feminist, 1984.
"The belief with the radical leftthat capitalism must be
dismantled (that reform of the system is not enough) and,
more importantly, the belief with cultural feminism that
the biopsychological dimension of oppression (sexism and
patriarchy) and not the economic one (the class society)
is fundamental." -- Sally Miller Gearhart. 1983.
from 'Learning Our Way', "If the
Mortarboard Fits... Radical Feminism in Academia."
So Charles, where do you fit in with all of this?
Radical Teacher,
Russ
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209.29 | well... | LEZAH::BOBBITT | is it soup yet? | Mon Feb 22 1988 13:02 | 13 |
| Russ, the picture you paint is not pretty. It seems you picture
these radical feminists that single-mindedly abhor men and run around
slavering at the mouth with Inquisitionistic vigor.
Perhaps if you met some of the people who have been writing here
that you might feel fit this picture, your views would change a
bit.
Here's hoping-
-Jody
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209.30 | chipping away | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Mon Feb 22 1988 15:54 | 29 |
| re .29 Jody, I have met several noters at the first party I
attended. They were all very pleasant and the conversations
interesting. I actually felt shut out of a few conversations
by some very vocal males - you know, the ones who always
interrupt.
What I do see in notes and not at parties is noters baring
their souls, their true(r) thoughts.
I see ideological beliefs in many people that are rooted
in value systems that are at sharp varience from the value
systems that most Americans embrace.
Are such variant beliefs necessarily bad? No, of course
not. If anything, beliefs away from the mean have a better
chance of being "true" than that which the culture churns
out. They also have a like chance of being seriously "wrong"
if flaws can be discovered.
So what I sometimes do is test the various structural
parts of various belief systems -- to see if they stand
up. Last I checked, no feminist has taken me to task over
the things that I find and throw out. So I figure they
are in agreement with me. Otherwise someone would stand
up and defend their 'beliefs' right? Right.
So onward I shall explore.
Russ
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209.31 | sigh | TWEED::B_REINKE | where the sidewalk ends | Mon Feb 22 1988 16:28 | 2 |
| in re .30
Failure to respond to something does not imply agreement.
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209.32 | Nor DISagreement. :-) 0r :-( ? | SALEM::AMARTIN | nemoW SDEEN sraM | Tue Feb 23 1988 03:12 | 1 |
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209.33 | conscientious objector | XCELR8::POLLITZ | | Tue Feb 23 1988 03:15 | 17 |
| re .31 Ability to respond implies Life.
How come Feminist Literature insists upon putting
Men down?
Every MS issue.
Every NOW statement. (virtually all)
Every Feminist Book.
Every Feminist Speech.
Feminist "virtues" are defined well and praised.
Masculine "virtues are defined poorly and thus put down.
I have been very gentle considering what I know.
Russ
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209.35 | Contemptuous Feminists: Rhetorical Statement | BETSY::WATSON | No_Mad | Tue Feb 23 1988 14:15 | 12 |
| >Failure to respond can also mean that one sees no point in arguing
>with an idiot.
>Jenna
Therefore I won't argue with you.
I will, however, side with Russ. If you're not a feminist, then you need not
be offended. If you *are*, then you have no argument... at least the way he
has stated his views on this abhorrent subject of women putting down men.
Kip
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209.36 | an attempt to explain | LEZAH::BOBBITT | is it soup yet? | Tue Feb 23 1988 15:53 | 28 |
| Russ, I consider myself a feminist, but I do not subscribe to the belief
that all men are evil or the enemy or the antichrist or whatever
you have been reading labels them as. I believe women and men have
a lot of talking to do, and unfortunately what you have been reading
is only ONE point of view, and that ONE point of view may get in
the way with your communication with many women because they are
not THAT sort of feminist. Your preconceptions judge us harshly,
and you damn us before you meet us by presuming if we don't strenuously
object to what you enter, then we must (either openly or secretly)
agree. I assume a lot of people haven't bothered entering their
opinions to the contrary because sometimes when that has happened
in the past, you have either backed up your point of view with excerpts
from what you read, or you perhaps mentally discount them as an
anomaly and continue believing that what you have read applies to
the broad spectrum of women.
I believe in greater equality, but the parameters will take lots
of time and energy for humanity to work out. I believe changes
should be made on all sides, and that cooperation is one of the
largest ingredients (perhaps a close second is interest and
involvement, as movements without support lead to dead ends). I
for one am stating, quite clearly, as I have heard others do many
times before, I do not hate any one sex, race, creed, religion,
whatever...I take people as individual cases, and their motivations
are their own.
-Jody
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209.37 | | CALLME::MR_TOPAZ | | Tue Feb 23 1988 16:02 | 5 |
| I thought this note was about parties.
Is Pollitz going to have a party, or is his talk cheap?
--Mr Topaz
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209.39 | No put-down intended | BETSY::WATSON | No_Mad | Tue Feb 23 1988 18:05 | 37 |
209.40 | | RMADLO::HETRICK | George C. Hetrick | Tue Feb 23 1988 18:44 | 4 |
| Jenna, you certainly have the right to talk about men as a separate species, and
to say that your calling one man an idiot is OK, but for another man to imply
the same about you is not OK, but WOMANNOTES is probably a better place for
such clearly sexist (but PC) remarks.
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209.42 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Tue Feb 23 1988 20:16 | 9 |
| RE: .37
Beats the shit outta me.. I offered my place and low and behold,
no response. Guess they don't like parties and Pollitz' talk
IS cheap...
Offer still stands..
mike
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209.43 | Disappointed. | 2B::ZAHAREE | Michael W. Zaharee | Tue Feb 23 1988 20:46 | 7 |
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This topic is closed until later this evening at which time I will sort
out the party related responses from the other garbage. I'd do it now,
but the "bus for home" is leaving, and I would rather not be stranded
here until tomorrow.
- M
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