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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

198.0. "MALE GOSSIP" by DIXIE1::DSCOTT () Wed Dec 16 1987 00:46

    Why do men gossip?
    
    I've often wondered why do men gossip.  Men tell other men stories
    that would make most people think that the story was a useless
    and malicious attempt to destroy someone or something.
    
    I remember the bragging that we used to so in the locker room, the
    dorm room and now the conference room.  The laughter brings us
    together, another male bonding situation?  It's inescapable.
    
    Why is it done?
    What pupose does it serve?
    Do you do it?
    
    I think I do it, NO, I know that I do it.
    
    I think I now why, too.
    
    I'm the number 8 child in a family of 7 boys and 1 sister.  Gues
    what my brothers talked about in the bathroom?  Guess what my brothers
    still talk about?  
    
    Just thought it might trigger some responses, what do you think?
    
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198.1VLS9::COSTAWed Dec 16 1987 02:087
    
        As far as I know, women gossip.
    	Men play cards, watch football and consume large amounts of
    beer while women gossip. 
    
        Dave
    	
198.2Mudslinging...FSLENG::HEFFERNWed Dec 16 1987 04:0112
    Oh boy! Are you nuts to enter that ! (re.2) I know for a FACT women
    do not have a a monopoly on gossip (nor men on football or cards,
    or beer).
    
    I think men love to sling dirt as well as any woman.  They just
    pretend not to hear when the women gossip, and repeat it when 
    possible.  
    
    Surely you just forgot to smile at the end, right? :-)
    
                                            cj
    
198.3STOKES::WHARTONWed Dec 16 1987 16:129
    re .2
    In fact, men and women gossip just as much.  
    
    Some men don't even pretend not to hear when the women _gossip_,
    they are sometimes active participants. They just don't like to
    call it gossip, they like to refer to gossip as "interesting
    conversation." :-) :-) :-)
    
    -karen
198.4AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a ShrewThu Dec 17 1987 02:396

	We don't call it "interesting conversation", we call
	it "Guy talk" :-)

						mike
198.5THAT'S THE TICKETDIXIE1::DSCOTTThu Dec 17 1987 14:409
    That guy talk is really something.  It's kind of a vicarious trill
    to tell stories and create an environment in which 'one up-manship'
    is the rule.  You never really know if the story is true, kind of
    a liars club.  
    
    Yeah, my wife Morgan Fairchild (with whom I've slept) and I lie
    together all the time.  That' the ticket.
    
    dana
198.6real or gossip?SALEM::MELANSONThu Dec 17 1987 15:2813
    Hi - re:0
    
    I assume we are talking about the nonsense junk men share about
    their masculinity, "what he'd do if he had this one or that" or
    are we talking the more damaging stuff of people sharing their
    experience of one person with another.
    
    I find most men come from a place of thier fantacies rather than
    their real experiences.  This is I find true for the most part,
    but some men (exceptions to the rule) do show thier immaturity
    and talk about their experiences in a braging sort of sense.
    As for gossip I would never divulge who or what my experiences are,
    as I know it can come back at me in many ways.
198.7more to .6SALEM::MELANSONThu Dec 17 1987 15:325
    important addition to .6  its more important than what comes back
    to me, is being considerate to the other.  Sorry - I did not want
    to seem self centered, just wnat you all to know that gossip can
    be damaging to both.
198.8Uh Yeh, thats me on the trapeze with the hood on!HYDRA::LYMANVillage IdiotThu Dec 17 1987 17:419
    
    	Yeh, I suppose back in the old days when I was young and immature
    	I used to hang around with guys and brag and lie about our exploits
    	with women and stuff also.  Its amazing how silly and unsophisticated
    	adolescents can be.  Nowadays we just exchange videos.
    

        Jake
198.9VLS9::COSTAThu Dec 17 1987 22:0612
    
    	yup forgot my ettiquette. 8-] here it is 8-]
    
    	I guess I'm against the word gossip as related to the male species
    and prefer desciptives like what Mike said. 8-]
    
    	I didn't mean that men don't ramble, but when I'm talking with
    the guys we sure ain't gossipin. 8-]
    
    	Hope that's a bit clearer.
    
    	Dave
198.10oh yea?... well....SALEM::AMARTINVanna & me are a numberFri Dec 18 1987 04:021
    See personal name.  :-)
198.11WHAT ABOUT THE OLD BOYS NETWORK??ODIXIE::DSCOTTFri Dec 18 1987 12:2028
    The stuff that causes problems, gossip for gossip sake, is over
    that you tend to stop about 18 or so.  The other damaging stuff
    is the hearsay evidence that can cause very real problems.  For
    instance....
    
    Here you are, a team of people working on a project together and
    one of your members either forgets to do something. Or they show
    up late, or not at all, for a very important meeting.  Someone in
    the team begins to speculate out loud what the problem is, either
    they know a little of what is going on or they THINK the know. 
    The next thing that happens the *word* is out.  That member of the
    team that did not pull their weight that one time has now acquired
    a scarlet letter.
    
    Has that ever happened to you?  This is not just a male-only issue
    but I am always surprised when it happens.  Think about this also
    in terms of the "OLD BOYS NETWORK".
    
    The Old Boys Network has worked against me before in previous lives.
    At one point during my five year stay at Data General, the politics
    of the situtation were such that ever move that was made towards
    a better position was blocked...always at the last minute...after
    I had been told I was right for the job.  It turns out that a person
    that I had indrectly pissed off several years previously was in a position
    to alter my career path.  All based upon hearsay, gossip and *THE
    NETWORK*.
    					 	Dana
    necessarily a male ony