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Conference quark::human_relations

Title:What's all this fuss about "sax and violins"?
Notice:Please read all replies to note 1
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Thu Jan 21 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 09 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:133
Total number of notes:1901

23.0. "Teleprompter?" by CFSCTC::GLIDEWELL (Wow! It's The Abyss!) Sat Apr 10 1993 02:57

The other day I was "drafting" a report out loud, while driving,
and grossly mispronounced the word "diploma."  First, I laughed,
then got to wondering how this happened. This is the type of
error I make frequently when reading but not speaking.

After some contemplation and testing, I now realize I often
see words in my mind before I say them!  It's almost as
though, for polysyllabics, there is a teleprompter running
in my head.

Anyone else have this sensation of seeing what you are saying?

 Meigs
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23.1ThinkspeakeaseCSOA1::HOLLANDI *AM* the bass playerSat Apr 10 1993 16:596
    I don't know if it fits here but sometimes I have trouble speaking a
    word in my mind before I say it.  It's really strange because I can get
    really hung up on the correct way to say it before I mouth it.  Maybe a
    form of stress?????
    
    Thoughts that make you go h-h-hmmmmmmmm....
23.2HDLITE::ZARLENGAMichael Zarlenga, Alpha P/PEGMon Apr 12 1993 03:5311
    re:.0
    
    I need to say the word to myself, either out loud or in my mind, to
    pronounce it.  When I read before an audience, from text I have not
    prepared, I always do a dry run, out loud, just to become accustomed
    to the author's writing style and word selections.
    
    There's nothing worse than assuming a sentence ends soon, only to
    find yet another comma, messing up the inflection you've already begun.
    
    whoops.
23.3CSC32::CONLONMon Apr 12 1993 21:5617
    RE: .0  Meigs
    
    > Anyone else have this sensation of seeing what you are saying?
    
    I've noticed that I can't remember (short term) a phone number unless
    I visualize it.  Then it's easy for me.
    
    Also, some of the phone numbers I've been calling for years (such as
    my close friend Cathy who lives in Seattle) are only 'memorized' for
    me if I'm facing the phone buttons straight ahead of me.
    
    When the phone is sideways, I can't dial her number (or at least not
    easily.)  When the phone is straight in front of me, I dial it very
    quickly (without any effort at all.)
    
    Visual cues (for words and numbers) are more important for sighted
    people than most of us probably realize.
23.4Enter card number..CSOA1::HOLLANDI *AM* the bass playerTue Apr 13 1993 18:107
    Re: .3
    
    I use telephone credit cards and when I have to actually tell the
    operator my card number, I have to visualize punching in the number in
    order to remember it.  
    
    Tones that make you go hmmmmm......
23.5Utterly perfectCFSCTC::GLIDEWELLWow! It's The Abyss!Tue Apr 13 1993 22:3711
>  ... speaking a word in my mind before I say it.  It's really strange 
>  because I can get really hung up on the correct way to say it ...

I don't understand what you said.  Does this mean your mind's
ear hears the word in your mind before you utter it?  This does
happen to me with words I've always had difficult saying; for instance,
Armageddon.  By default, I want to make the stresses analagous
to mastodon, so I have to practice this word or expect to
see people look quite puzzled, and then laugh!  Me Too!

 Meigs 
23.6memory is funnyNOVA::FISHERDEC Rdb/DinosaurWed Apr 14 1993 11:2010
    There are different ways that we learn to remember things.  Sometimes
    these are just incompatible with the way we have learned everything
    else.  For example, I don't speak French though I could fumble along
    if I had to and I might manage a hundred or so words, but there was
    a phone number that my ex- gave me once, it's NH number but it's
    trois-un-quartre-deux-sept and for some reason I've never forgotten
    it.  I don't think I've dialed it in the last 10 years but it's just
    sitting in a corner gathering dust and every so often it comes to mind.
    
    ed
23.7HDLITE::ZARLENGAMichael Zarlenga, Alpha P/PEGThu Apr 15 1993 21:468
    re:.6
    
    An audial cue can be quite strong.
    
    Ever notice how you can hear the first few notes to a song you haven't
    heard in years, maybe decades, yet you can immediately recall the song?
    
    Same think with visual cues.
23.8BLUMON::QUAYLEfries *my* clamsMon Apr 19 1993 17:541
    Aromas too
23.9I18N::MICHELLEYou MUST chill!Tue Apr 20 1993 20:096
    
    I agree with the aromas... I tend to associate familiar aromas with
    past events... this makes my mind go into a loop!
    
    M
     
23.10USHS01::MCCANNWed Apr 21 1993 18:126
    I see most everything in my mind first, however weird that may seem. 
    Aromas, words, etc.  When someone tells a joke, I see it picture for
    picture.  I guess I have a vivid imagination.  Or either really
    strange!!!
    
    Jane
23.11People are strange?CSOA1::HOLLANDI *AM* the bass playerWed Apr 21 1993 23:079
    re: 5
    You know how you think to your self and you're "talking"?  That's when
    my mind gets hung up on a word.  I would have to say it out loud to get
    the correct pronunciation - or what I think is correct.
    
    
    It could be that I'm just strange!
    
    dlh
23.12CFSCTC::GLIDEWELLWow! It's The Abyss!Wed Apr 21 1993 23:3610
>.-1 

If I say HORSE, do you see an image of one, or the word?
Or does it vary?

How about 

Statistics

Anything pop up there?
23.13TRACTR::HOGGEI am the King of NothingThu Apr 22 1993 14:4812
    Strange... 
    
    When I'm talking, there are no images... especially during a
    conversation.  However, when reading, my mind is filled with images and 
    I 'view' what I'm reading.  
    
    On the other hand, when listening, words, sounds, and aromas, will stir
    up visual images in my mind.
    
    At least that's how it works for me.
    
    Skip
23.14Pictures..CSOA1::HOLLANDI *AM* the bass playerWed May 19 1993 17:229
    re: .12
    
    (sorry that's it's been so long, vacation and training)
    
    Horse - The image comes to mind.
    
    Statistics - just a row of numbers