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1091.1 | | BRADOR::HATASHITA | | Sat Oct 20 1990 16:00 | 20 |
| I use one. The ones handed out by DEC are serialized and issued to
anyone who is involved in product development, testing, research. Not
only are the pages numbered and impossible to remove without detection,
but those who use one are instructed to use indelible ink only. At the
bottom of each page are areas for witness signatures, dates, and
application/project information.
My notebook contains doodles, circuits designs, numbers which may
have meant something at one time, calculations which also may have
meant something at one time, tables, test results, and assorted
text. I use mine because I have a tough time remembering three
number combinations let alone maximum signal rise time information
for data signals in a 6460.
Notekeeping goes back before Leonardo. Probably all the way back
to some guy who painted a cave drawings to remind him which end
of a mastadon hurts more.
Kris
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1091.3 | We're supposed to get them, but we don't. | ERIS::CALLAS | Without chemicals, he points. | Sat Oct 20 1990 22:17 | 34 |
1091.4 | | ZEPPLN::TATISTCHEFF | becca says #1000001 is a keeper | Sun Oct 21 1990 03:17 | 15 |
| i don't use them now but when i was in a pure research organization i
had to, for patent reasons.
only indelible ink. no blank spaces. pages used and dated in
consecutive order. every three days someone who could understand what
i was doing had to read, sign, and date each page to certify that it
was used, they knew and understood what it contained, there were no
blank spots, and each deletion was readable (ie. only one line crossing
out a mistake), initialed, and dated by myself.
pain in the neck. BUT! i always knew where my data was (it had to be
glued securely to the page so that it could not be removed or altered
without detection in later examination)....
lt
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1091.5 | | AIMHI::RAUH | Home of The Cruel Spa | Mon Oct 22 1990 12:01 | 17 |
| There was a court case called Fergerson VS Vergitron.
This took place in Dover N.H. The botton line was that the employees were
using company time and material to develope their own widget to sell in
the same market that this comapany sold. Fergerson lost, under
something called shop rights.
Digital has had a number of these
situations happen to them. A more popular one, which I think Dec did
nothing about was Data General and the Unibus bus. All they want to do
is protect their butts, like having a house guest use your home for
sometime and have some personal stuff disapear.
I know that I am deep waters with this reply. So I am now going
to go hid under my desk as you all shoot at me. :-$
Geo
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1091.6 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Oct 22 1990 12:25 | 4 |
| Um, is this topic perhaps more relevant to HUMAN::DIGITAL? I'm
trying to see the connection with the theme of human relations.
Steve
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1091.7 | | AIMHI::RAUH | Home of The Cruel Spa | Mon Oct 22 1990 13:03 | 7 |
| Steve,
Perhaps the fact is that where does a corp and the mind of an
individual stop and end? Why does a corp own our minds even if we
develope a widget on our own time and becaues many of us sign a paper
that says all those things you invent is Decs or some other corps.
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1091.8 | | WR1FOR::HOGGE_SK | Dragon Slaying...No Waiting! | Tue Oct 23 1990 17:19 | 33 |
| Just some info for those who are curious...
Someone questioned the price of these notebooks and said that the only
difference between them and college theme books is the price, also
someone mentioned "writing on acid laced paper"
The reason these notebooks cost between $75. - $150. is they are made
(normally) with a high cotten fiber content paper that is treated to
be acid free. Such paper is very expensive but the shelf life of it
preported to be between 80 - 100 years before it starts to "break down"
under normal conditions. With care it is preported to last twice that
long. As to if this is true or not, no one knows for certain yet...
Acid free cotten fibered paper is relatively new compared to regular
paper. (developed within the last 20 years or so) Further, unlike
normal paper which is meant to let paper stay on the exposed surface,
the cotton fiber paper is designed to absorbe the ink deeper into the
fibers to make earasure more difficult and prevent as much "age-fade"
as possible. I've worked with the paper before when doing some of my
calligraphy (it is called "treated parchment") it takes india ink as
well as the washable inks beautifully and from an artistic standpoint
it's a great surface to work on. Part of that is due to the 80 - 90
percent cotton fiber content in the paper (higher then most other
parchments). Part is because of the way it does absorbe the ink. Even
unbound and loose leaf this paper is EXPENSIVE! One ream (500 sheets)
will run between $100.00 and $150.00 wholesale. Take in the expense
of binding which is normally a superior job then the collage theme
books using a higher quality thread for the stiching process and then
add the expense of the more durable genuine simulated leather back
binding (-:, and it gets to cost a fair sum of money... then add that
the company making the books need there profits as well as any other
company and the price gets even higher.
Skip
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1091.9 | | SIETTG::HETRICK | | Wed Oct 24 1990 02:06 | 16 |
| In addition to the cost of the physical book, there is the cost
of the record keeping and archiving. The books are serial numbered,
issued to individuals by name, logged out of the Notebook Admin-
istration group and logged back in, indexed for content, and then
retained for a long as attorneys figure there might possibly be
material of possible patent interest -- and attorneys are very
conservative about "might possibly." I believe that the record
keeping and archiving costs are included in that absurdly high dollar
figure.... I mean, they're reasonable (but not spectacularly good)
notebooks, but a _dollar and a half_ a _sheet_?
And the human relations aspect, of course, is that they are
sometimes used as status symbols. Not by me, of course. I _need_
mine....
Brian Hetrick
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1091.10 | Interesting Notebook Story... | OAKISL::JUDICE | Peripheral Visionary | Fri Oct 26 1990 13:30 | 20 |
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I have a classic and true story about engineering notebooks, though
this took place at my former employer, RCA.
An engineer in the Government Communication Systems Division spent
his lunch hours designing an electric katchup dispenser. Of course
he did his designs in his notebook right alongside his circuit design
work on black boxes for the military and/or the CIA/NSA. Well, one
day, the contracting agency audited the department, and in an audit,
they usually just check timecards, etc. This time they wanted all
the engineering notebooks, to compare the time logs to the submitted
timecards. Well, apparently, there was a LOT of explaining to do when
the Navy or NSA questioned why they were paying for someone to design
a katchup dispenser...
As a result there was a great flurry of memos and group meetings about
the "proper use" of notebooks throughout the company.
/ljj
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1091.11 | | CADSE::GLIDEWELL | Wow! It's The Abyss! | Fri Oct 26 1990 23:37 | 17 |
| > .6 LIONEL
> Um, is this topic perhaps more relevant to HUMAN::DIGITAL? I'm
> trying to see the connection with the theme of human relations.
Steve,
Frankly, I was looking for the more human angle on this, and was
afraid posting it in ::DIGITAL would yield a policy statement, period.
Part of my interest in this is ... well, I guess I'm surprised that
English departments don't recommend these strongly. Our professors
who encouraged writing were forever encouraging journals and writing
down one's literary thoughts ... and this type of log seems such a
natural for the neophyte writer, that I'm puzzled this log book
hasn't crept into the lit folk's armamentatium. Maybe another subtle
symptom of Art vs Science? And I expected, and have been getting,
very interesting comments here. Meigs
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