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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

1000.0. "On being left behind" by QUARK::HR_MODERATOR () Wed May 09 1990 15:34

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    I have been a read only noter till now, and thought I would turn to you
    all, since by reading some of the notes have learned a lot about human
    nature, and a lot about myself.
    
    The man I have been seeing of the last 2 years, has decided he is going
    to move back to his home state (1800 miles away).  But he does not want
    me to go.  This came as a very big shock to me, because he says he
    loves me (but is not in love with me), we have spent so much time
    together, ie; trips, camping, dinners movies, etc, etc....  But we have
    never consummated our relationship, just because neither of us was
    ready for that.  Needless to say this situation has me very torn up and
    extremely confused.  All of our mutual friends say the guy is head over
    heels "in" love with me and that he just does not want to admit it or
    does not want to see it.  I truly believe this myself, because his
    words say one thing, but his actions say something completely
    different, ie; he is always there for me, helps me with things like
    fixing my car, watches other men when they are around me, etc, etc..... 
    I know I have to take this one day at a time, and hope that he wakes up
    to his true (??) feelings.  But I could sure use some
    advice/opinions/support.
    
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1000.1hope this isn't too blunt...COBWEB::SWALKERWed May 09 1990 17:1835
    Forget him and move on with your life.  What you describe as 
    evidence that he is "in love with" you could also be taken as 
    evidence that he cares about you and likes you, but that that's 
    *it*.  His words are saying this too.  Sounds pretty clear to me.

    So... maybe he's been leading you on a bit for the past 2 years.
    Maybe he's been a little selfish - he knows he enjoys your
    company but knows in his gut you're not quite what he's looking
    for.  Or maybe his feelings towards you have changed, or he's
    finally realized that he's madly in love with someone he left
    back in his home state.  Maybe he's just not good at breaking up.
    And perhaps, just perhaps, all your mutual friends, deep-down, 
    are die-hard romantics who believe Ken would never look at a 
    woman besides Barbie.  I can think of some wilder explanations,
    but you get the idea.  You can't rule these out as possibilities.

    In any case, it sounds like your feelings towards him are not 
    shared.  If he's been sending you mixed messages, it sounds to 
    me like he's making a genuine effort to stop.  I don't buy the 
    line that his words say one thing and his actions another:
    moving 1800 miles away is an action that shouts.

    If he's really head over heels in love with you but won't admit
    or see it, you'll probably hear from him once he feels the loss.  
    But I wouldn't spend a nanosecond waiting for this to happen.

    My advice: take a deep breath, close that chapter in the book 
    of your life, and move on.  Develop other interests, and, above 
    all, keep your self-respect intact by not "waiting" for him.  
    Find other people to see movies and go camping with.  When/if
    the truth (whatever it is) comes out, you'll be glad you did.

	Sharon

1000.2A similar situationNCDEL::LITASIto the land of Gitchi-Goommie....Thu May 10 1990 15:5239
    Gosh, when I read your note I thought of my own situation.  I don't
    know if it will help you, but this is what happened to me.
    
    I relocated from Colorado to Minnesota, leaving behind a man that I
    loved.  He never actually told me that he loved me, but (like you)
    his actions demonstrated as much.  We always had a great time together
    and he was supportive of my job change.  He never tried to influence me
    in any way to stay or to go.  If he would have said, "Please stay", I
    would have.  But he didn't.  While I was in the process of getting
    some training and moving, he was only a phone call away, supportive
    as ever, and I realized how much I was leaving behind.  Still, I had
    to go thru with it and did.  When we parted he cried for 3 days.
    I cried off and on for several months, but finally, I'm getting myself
    together in a new city.  You have to move on.  The time was not right
    for us.  Maybe someday in the future it might be again, and if it is,
    it will be the right thing.
    
    I think subconsciously we both used the move to keep the relationship
    from progressing as far as it could have.  Maybe your situation is
    similar.  Perhaps he is afraid to commit, and needs (or thinks he
    needs) distance.  If I were you, I'd read a book called "Dance of
    Intimacy", then do what it says.  I'd tell him I loved him, understood
    he needs some space, and get on with my own life.
    
    I've noticed something about men over the past few years.  They often
    are not aware of their feelings in "real time".  Yes, they can look
    back, analyse and intellectualize feelings in the past, but current
    feelings are out of their experience.  Getting "in touch" with our
    feelings means looking to the present, not the past, or the future.
    
    I would bet big money that he doesn't know what he feels.  If you
    leave him alone, he may have time to figure it out.  If he comes back
    to you it might be for the right reasons.  If he goes, mourn the loss,
    and get on with your life.  If you have your s*it together, the right
    people will find you.
    
    Hugs,
    
    sherry
1000.3DUGGAN::MAHONEYMon May 14 1990 16:315
    To love a person does not mean TO BE IN LOVE and he obviously is not in
    love with you.  He shows he cares for you but from that to be
    "head-over-heels" in love with a person is a long way away.  Be patient
    and wait for your true love, when it comes... you won't hesitate and
    will recognize it immediately.