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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

920.0. "SUICIDE what you can do to help" by REGENT::WAGNER () Thu Dec 14 1989 15:59

   The  Following replies are concerning how to recognize signs of
    depression and suicide risk.  This information has been taken from
    pamplets furnished by the  Samaritans at 355 Boylston Street Their
    telephone number is 536-2460 and the emergency number is 247-0220.
    
    There is one detail that the information doesn't make clear:if some
    one who has been seriously depressed and may have had suicidal
    ideations suddenly seems to be at peace with themselves. If, for no
    clear reason, they all of a sudden become happy and contented, they
    may have actually set their plan in action and resolved their burdens
    in this manner. If these changes for the better, seem to happen
    all of a sudden, it is necessary to follow up with that person and
    encourage talk to talk about it. 
    
         
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920.1Suicide, What you can do to helpREGENT::WAGNERThu Dec 14 1989 16:0168
1.  Recognize signs of depression and suicide risk.

	-Change in personality-sad, withdrawn, irritable, anxious, tired, 
	 indecisive, apathetic.
	-Change in behavior-can't concentrate on school, work, routine tasks
	-change in sleeping patterns-- over-sleeping, or insomnia, sometimes 
	 with early wakening.
	-Change in eating habits--loss of appetite and weight, or overeating
	-Loss of interest inn friends, sex, hobbies, activities previously 
	 enjoyed
	-worry about money, illness (either real or imaginary.)
	- Fear of losing control, going crazy, harming self or others.
	-Feeling helpless, worthless, "nobody cares," Every one would be 
	 better off without me."
	-Feeling of overwhelming guilt, shame and self-hatred.
	-No hope for the future, "It will never get better," " I will always 
	 feel this way."
	-Drug or alcohol Abuse
	-Recent loss--through death, divorce, separation, broken relationship, 
	 or loss of job, money, status, self-confidence, self-esteem.
	-Loss of religious faith
	-Suicidal impulses, statements, plans; giving away favorite things; 
	 previous suicide attempts or gestures.
	-agitation, hyperactivity, restlessness may indicate masked 
	 depression

*** REMEMBER: The risk of suicide may be greatest as the depression lifts. ***

2. Do not be afraid to ask:"DO YOU SOMETIMES FEEL SO BAD YOU THINK OF SUICIDE?"
	Just about everyone has considered suicide, however fleetingly, at one 
	time or another.  There is no danger of "giving someone the idea."  
	In fact, it can be a great relief if you bring the question of suicide 
	out in the, and discuss it freely without showing shock or 
	disapproval. Raising the question of suicide shows that you are taking 
	the person seriously and responding to the potential of his distress.

3. If the answer is "YES, I DO THINK OF SUICIDE," YOU MUST TAKE IT SERIOUSLY 
   AND FOLLOW THROUGH:
	
ASK: Have you thought how to do it?  Do you have the means? Have you decided 
when you would do it?  Have you tried suicide before? What happened then? If 
the person has a definite plan, if the means are easily available, if the 
method is a lethal one, and the time set, the risk of suicide is very high  
Your response will be geared to the urgency of the situation as you see it.  
Therefore it is vital not to underestimate the danger by not asking for the 
details.

4. DO NOT LEAVE A SUICIDAL PERSON ALONE IF YOU THINK THERE IS IMMEDIATE 
   DANGER.

	Stay with the person until help arrives or the crisis passes.  Nearly 
everyone can be helped to overcome almost any kind of situation which might 
destroy their self confidence, if they have someone who will listen, take them 
seriously, and help them feel worthwhile and wanted again.  Common to every 
suicidal crisis is a strong ambivalence: "I want to kill myself, but I don't 
want to be dead--at least not forever."  What most suicidal people want is not 
death, but some way out of the terrible pain of feeling, "Life is not worth 
living, I am not fit to live, I am all alone with this, I don't belong, and 
nobody cares."  After being allowed to unburden--without interruption, without 
being judged or criticized, or rejected, or told what to do--the tension 
drops, the pain is relieved, and the suicidal feelings pass--maybe not 
forever, but for now.

Your job is to listen.  If you cant get the person to talk, if the person is 
hallucinating or influenced by drugs or alcohol, if the danger of suicide is 
imminent and the means are available, get professional help.  Do not try to go 
it alone.

920.2Signs of Depression and Suicidal RiskREGENT::WAGNERThu Dec 14 1989 16:0442
    -Sad, withdrawn
    -Lack of interest in activities previously enjoyed
    -apathy and fatigue
    -pessimistic, irritable
    -less of appetite and weight
    -Loss of sexual interest
    -Sleep disturbance-insomnia, sometimes early wakening
    -nightmares
    -difficulty in making conversation and carrying out routine tasks
    -sense of futility.
    -indecisiveness
    -feelings of guilt and self blame
    -preoccupation with illness real or imaginary
    -financial worries
    -drug or alcohol dependence
    -preoccupation with or talk about suicide
    -a definite plan for committing suicide
    -suicidal attempts
    -social isolation
    -recent loss
    -no hope for the future
    -unsympathetic relatives, feeling that nobody cares.
    -Tidying up affairs, giving away possessions
    -suicides in the family or among close friends
    -fear of losing control, going crazy harming self or others
    -low energy
    -anxiety
    -stress

Many times people are most at risk when they seem to be improving.  Sometimes 
when a person has carried around with them for a long time the idea of 
suicide, even even a seemingly trivial mental stress can set off a tragedy.

If a person seems depressed, do not be afraid to ask "Do you feel bad enough 
to kill yourself?"  It can be a great relief to them if you bring up the 
subject and let them talk freely about their suicidal thoughts, feelings, 
impulses, plans, fantasies.  Talking about it to someone who accepts them, 
without showing shock or disapproval, can clear the air and reduce the 
tension.  Nearly everyone can be helped to overcome almost any kind of 
situation which might destroy their confidence, if they have someone who will 
listen to them, take them seriously and show that they care about them.
920.3Befriending Suicidal PeopleREGENT::WAGNERThu Dec 14 1989 16:0652
1. All befriending is played by ear.  There are no formulas, just some safe 
   guidelines.

2. You must BE YOURSELF.  Anything else feels phony, sounds phony, and won't 
   be natural to you or to the person who is talking with you.

3. Your job is to listen.  You want to make a relationship with the other 
   person so that he feels he can trust you enough to tell you what is really 
   on his mind. You want him to be able to confide in you as he would to his 
   closest friend.

4. What you say or don't say is not as important as HOW you say it.  If you 
   can't find the right words, but feel genuinely concerned, your voice and 
   manner will convey this.

5. Deal with the person, not just "the problem."  Talk as an EQUAL.  If you 
   try to act like a counselor or an expert, or try to solve problems and give 
   advice, it will probably be resented. 

6. Give your full attention.  Listen for feelings, as well as facts.  Listen 
   for what is not said, as well as what is said.  Allow the person to unburden 
   without interruption.

7. Don't feel you have  to say something every time there is a pause.  
   Silence gives you both time to think.  When you don't know what to say, say 
   nothing.

8. Show interest, and invite the person to continue without giving him the 
   third degree. Simple, direct questions ("what happened?" What's the 
   matter?") are less threatening than complicated, probing ones.

9. Steer toward the pain, not away from it.  The person WANTS to tell you 
   about the private, painful things that most other people don't want to hear.
   Sometimes you have to provide an opening, and give him permission to begin 
   talking.  (" you seem depressed.  What's the matter?")

10.Try to see and feel thing from the other person's point of view.  Be on his 
   side.  Don't side with the people he may be hurting or the people who may 
   be hurting him.

11.Let the person find his own answers, even if you think you see an obvious 
   solution.

12.Many times there are no "answer" and your role is simply to bear witness, 
   to listen, to be with the person. and share the pain.  Giving your time, 
   attention, and concern may not seem like "doing enough."  People in distress 
   in seemingly hopeless situations can make you feel helpless and inadequate.  
   Fortunately, we do not have to come up with solutions or change people's 
   lives, or even SAVE their lives.  They will save themselves, make their own 
   changes and decisions, etc.  Trust them.

   
920.4TEN COMMONALITIES OF SUICIDEREGENT::WAGNERThu Dec 14 1989 16:1328
    
    
    1. The common purpose of suicide is to seek a solution.
    
    2. The common goal of suicide is the cessation of consciousness.
    
    3. The common stimulus of suicide is intolerable psychological pain.
    
    4. The common stressor in suicide is frustrated psychological needs.
    
    5. The common emotion in suicide is hopelessness-helplessness.
    
    6. The common internal attitude in suicide is ambivalence.
    
    7. The common cognitive state in suicide is constriction.
    
    8. The common action in suicide is aggression.
    
    9. The common interpersonal act in suicide is communication of intention. 
                                                                  
    10. The common consistency in suicide is with life-long coping
        patterns.
    
        
    From:	Edwin Schneidman,
    		Definition of Suicide
    		New York: Wiley, 1985