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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

865.0. "CAN ACOA HELP?" by SPGBAS::LEVITAN () Thu Oct 12 1989 16:39

    I am participating in a therapy group.  One of the participants
    is having problems dealing with her formerly alcoholic father.
    It has been suggested that she attend an ACOA meeting.  She has
    been rather resistent as she doesn't understand how it could
    help.  I told her about Notes and that I've read about people who
    have benefited from attending ACOA meetings.  Frankly, being as
    non-technical as I am, I do not know how to access any ACOA notes.
    
    Therefore, I am asking for people who have attended ACOA meetings
    to reply so that I may copy and give her the benefit of your
    advise/feelings/etc.
    
    FYI - her father did not stop with the help of AA - but did stop
    after over 20 years of drinking.  She can't accept his overtures
    of affection and can't seem to talk to him as he and the rest of 
    her family have always felt that "it should stay only within the
    family" and there's "no need to talk it out now."
    
    Can you help her?
    	
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865.1QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Oct 12 1989 16:555
Not to stop people from responding here, but there is a members-only
conference on ACOA.  Write to TPWEST::JOVAN to request access.  For more
details, see note 1406 in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

			Steve
865.2confidentiality an issue?CADSYS::PSMITHfoop-shootin', flip city!Thu Oct 12 1989 17:2513
    re: .0, third paragraph
    
    Does the person you're asking about know you wrote the base note?
    
    I don't know that the rules are in your therapy group, but you might
    want to be careful about what you repeat here about her problems.  
    Therapy groups usually have agreements that whatever is said in group
    is not repeated elsewhere.  I know you want to reach out and help her,
    but I'm just a little concerned...
    
    If you and she have already discussed it, then never mind!
    
    Pam
865.3I've attended for 3+ years: yes, ACOA can helpSSGBPM::KENAHBreak the pattern, break the chainThu Oct 12 1989 20:4543
    
    A simple answer: Can ACOA help?  Yes, if she's willing to work on
    herself.  
    
    A bunch of things --
    
    First -- her father isn't a former alcoholic -- he's a current
    alcoholic -- alcoholism, like diabetes, is a "forever" disease.
    
    (For those who have gone down the disease/moral failure rathole,
    I really don't want to start that here as well -- it's been 
    discussed elsewhere)
    
    Second -- ACOA, like any other 12 Step program, won't help her directly
    in dealing with her father.  It will help her in dealing with herself.
    
    If she decides to attend meetings, she will most likely hear about
    what she can for herself, not for her father.  BUT, as she changes, her
    attitude toward herself and her father will most likely change.
    
    The rules you mentioned: 
    
    >She [...] can't seem to talk to him as he and the rest of her family
    >have always felt that "it should stay only within the family" and
    >there's "no need to talk it out now."
    
    are "classic" characteristics within the dynamics of an alcoholic
    family; they're often stated: "Don't talk, don't feel, don't trust."
    
    Now: about the ACOA notesfile.  If you're interested in joining the
    file FOR YOURSELF, contact me (Along with three others, I co-moderate
    that file). 
    
    Could meetings help her?  I wouldn't doubt it.  How can you be sure?
    Go to some meetings yourself, and find out.  Most ACOA meetings are
    "Open" -- that is, they're there for anybody who wants to find out
    more about how alcoholism's effects far transcend the one who drinks.
    
    If you're interested in attending ACOA meetings, contact me, and I can
    probably point you to a meeting in your area (assuming Greater Maynard).
    
    					andrew
                  
865.4I know they help meWEA::PURMALRhymes with thermal, and thats cool!Fri Oct 13 1989 01:0122
        I agree with what Andrew said in .3.  I think that ACoA meetings
    can help, and their help isn't restricted to those from alcoholic
    families.  I just started going to ACoA meeting a little over a month
    ago, and I'm beginning to see some differences in my life.  Neither of
    my parents is an alcoholic, but my family is dysfunctional.  At least
    50% of the people in the ACoA meeting I attend who have shared their
    experiences have come from families without alcohol problems.
    
        I get a feeling of belonging to a caring group when I attend an
    ACoA meeting.  I also hear people talking about what they're going
    through and what they've been through, and it sometimes helps me get
    a different perspective on my life and my problems.
    
        The meeting I go to has a beginners meeting and a regular meeting. 
    I would suggest that the woman you're talking to find a group that has
    a beginners meeting if possible.  I find the beginners meeting I go to
    is a bit more intimate and less intimidating than a big meeting.
    
        I wish your friend well,
    
    ASP