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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

805.0. "Stability" by PENUTS::JLAMOTTE (J & J's Memere) Thu Jul 27 1989 16:47

    I think stability is very important.  There are certain things in
    my life that I would like to remain stable, for a variety of reasons.
    
    And there are benefits to stability, things like customs and traditions
    are a result of established families and relationships.
    
    I think it is one of the values we fail to consider in making choices
    and yet there is information that indicates that change produces
    stress.
    
    Here at DEC we are encouraged to change jobs frequently, and the
    value of an employee that has been in the position for many years
    with lots of expertise is rarely recognized.
    
    We move a lot always looking for something better...and yet I have
    talked to folks who always dream of purchasing that childhood home
    that has been out of the family for years.
    
    Has stability been replaced with a disposable society?  I hope not!
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805.1a little of both, thanks....this time with pineapple!SALEM::SAWYERbut....why?Thu Jul 27 1989 17:4490
:Note 805.0

:    I think stability is very important.

    i think SOME stability is nice...
but I THINK there MAY BE such a thing as TOO MUCH stability...
TOO MUCH stability COULD make one afraid of change, unable to deal with
it effectively.  a person trying real hard to remain stable MIGHT
avoid things/scenes/situations that could have been quite enjoyable
learning experiences...

:  There are certain things in
:    my life that I would like to remain stable, for a variety of reasons.
there are many things in my life that i'm glad were not stabile!...
i feel i grew from the instability....i got use to change...started
to anticipate the joy of new experiences, new friendships, new loves...
    
:    And there are benefits to stability, things like customs and traditions
:    are a result of established families and relationships.
and many of these customs and traditions SEEM, TO ME, to be self limiting.
i'm NOT SURE that there are many customs and traditions derived from
stability that are all that beneficial...
	is it beneficial for the women of some tribe to have their
clitoris removed?
	is it beneficial for the women of another tribe to add so many
rings to their neck that they actually remove the head from the neck
bone and CAN'T remove the rings for fear of death?
	was it beneficial for the son always to, customarily, follow
in his father's footsteps? though he didn't want to?
	was it beneficial for women to always be taught how to cook,
sew, clean and be a good wife but NOT how to provide for themselves?
	was it beneficial for boys and girls, at birth, to be engaged
by their parents?
    
:    I think it is one of the values we fail to consider in making choices
:    and yet there is information that indicates that change produces
:    stress.
PERHAPS change produces stress because people are conditioned to avoid change
and follow traditions and customs...?
anyone NOT following traditional customs was devalued, abused, chastised,
kicked out of the tribe.....no?
as people become use to change...it COULD produce less and less stress...
until...finally...a person COLD POSSIBLY meet changes with very little stress!
is that not good?
   
:    Here at DEC we are encouraged to change jobs frequently, and the
:    value of an employee that has been in the position for many years
:    with lots of expertise is rarely recognized.
perhaps....i dunno....but....PERHAPS the value of a person who can
effectively deal with change and stressful situations IS recognized?
    
:    We move a lot always looking for something better.
that's PROBABLY TRUE for many people.  BUT...people COULD decide
to move a lot just because they like to move...no?....
i like changing locales!...meeting new people!...new experiences...
new friends...i'm not looking for something "better"...
just something different....
i met a woman the other day who had lived in a one horse time
all her life!....she didn't know anything about the town next
to hers and she didn't know much about her own town...she couldn't
tell me the name of any of the large hills in her town....
when she went on vacations it was always to the same place....
well...perhaps her stability made her happy but it would have driven
me nuts!

:..and yet I have
:    talked to folks who always dream of purchasing that childhood home
:    that has been out of the family for years.
well, i don't dream of that home....
and ...I WONDER ....PERHAPS most people dream of that home because
it is ingrained in then at an early age..?
	I BELIEVE/THINK/FEEL that parents/society customarily and
    traditionally instills in us the desire for...;
    	marriage, children, home, settling down... 
   whereupon we grow up desiring what we've been conditioned to desire...?
    
:    Has stability been replaced with a disposable society?  I hope not!
i'll accept that a certain amount of stability can be a good thing...
(parent(s), friends, chocolate ice cream)
but TOO MUCH stability MIGHT BE a growth preventitive....?

and...i like disposable societies!....

disposable diapers, food containers, swimsuits, underwear, soldiers...(a joke)

rik....who tried real hard to just express his point of view and even
    went out of his way to include what he thought was substance and
    did not intend to insult anyone or offend anyone and hopes that
    noone feels that a nasty reply is in order...
    
805.2Stability is a continuumPOOL::WIBECANBrian WibecanThu Jul 27 1989 22:1515
I've wrestled with this one a lot recently.  I'm in the middle of making a
major move, uprooting my wife from a job she liked (and she is the top
breadwinner in the family) to allow me to take a job that was much more
desirable for me.  Everything is very uncertain right now, and we have had many
discussions about things like stability and security.

I think that I have a lower need for stability, and a higher desire for change,
than my wife does.  But I do like having a certain amount of security, which I
think is part of the concept of stability.

Is stability necessary or good?  It depends on your needs.  Some people thrive
on change, some less so.  I generally like change, but the amount of
uncertainty in my life right now has made me realize what my limits of
acceptance are.  Some people I know of wouldn't be frazzled in the same
situation.  Some people wouldn't have considered making the change.
805.3It changes doesn't it?SUPER::REGNELLSmile!--Payback is a MOTHER!Fri Aug 04 1989 22:5319
         Well...we have to define stability don't we?
         
         For me...today...[yesterday it was idfferent, and
         tomorrow may find it so also...]...stability is simply
         the knowlege that whatever or wherever we are a family.
          
         The rest is window dressing. I have been without
         work before and would survive. So has he. We have
         been poor and would survive...We have been the *outer
         fringe* instead of *yuppie* and would survive.
         
         It is not that stability as I think you define it
         is unimportant, but it is TO ME RIGHT NOW....that
         i define stability in a very different way.
         
         I expect that will continue to change in my life.
         
         Melinda