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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

715.0. "Changing Brown Eyes to Blue????" by TYCOBB::LSIGEL (Lynne S...A self confessed Noterholic) Mon Mar 20 1989 19:53

    What do you noters think of the idea of changing brown eyes to blue,
    green or violet?  I seen a commercial on TV for contact lenses that
    change brown eyes to whatever....what is your opinion on this.
    
    Do you dare to try it? 
    
    A neat idea for people who always wanted blue or hazel eyes?
    
    A veeeerrry tacky idea???
    
    I think it would be interesting to hear some opinions on the subject.
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715.1QUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveMon Mar 20 1989 20:138
Why not?  If you visit your optometrist, he/she can let you use a device that
lets you see how you'd look in the new lenses.  There are different brands
on the market, talk with your optometrist about them.

I don't see how this is any different than coloring your hair.... And the
nice thing is that you can take them out whenever you wish! 

				Steve
715.3BSS::BLAZEKDancing with My SelfMon Mar 20 1989 20:348
    	I think it depends on how blue/green/violet eyes go with the 
    	rest of your coloring.  Dark swarthy people with bright blue
    	contacts look unnatural.  Redheads with violet eyes wouldn't
    	look good (in my opinion) either.  If you have the coloring, 
    	go for the change!
    
    							Carla
    
715.4no lenses for me, thanks just the sameCSOA1::KRESSHave fun storming the castle!Mon Mar 20 1989 20:5918
    
    I've always been curious as to why people want to change the color
    of their eyes.  My mother has green eyes and when she used to wear
    green tinted lenses - WOW!  She was able to avoid a speeding ticket
    because the officer was so enamored with her eyes....the greenest
    he had ever seen.  
    
    Do blue/green/violet eyed people have more fun?  Personally, I've
    never really preferred one color over the other.  I tend to look
    more for the twinkle/sparkle in the eyes.                 
                                                              
    Have I been missing out on something with my brown eyes and brown
    hair?
    
    K2                                 
                                              
    
    
715.656 in a 40? Who? ME?????CSOA1::KRESSHave fun storming the castle!Mon Mar 20 1989 22:148
    .5>  Are you getting more speeding tickets than your mom?
    
    	 
         Certainly not!!!!  I would never consider speeding....it's
         against the law, isn't it?   Hey S - have you ever seen me
         drive over the speed limit?
    
    K2
715.7QUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveMon Mar 20 1989 23:245
    Re: .6
    
    Can't say I have - my eyes were closed at the time!
    
    	S.
715.9What is the reasonTPVAX1::WHITEWAYTue Mar 21 1989 10:2910
    	Change your eye color ! Why?
    
    	Why do people want to do such things? I am not being sarcastic,
    just curious. Why can not people be happy with what they are? 
    
    I know someone who just got different color contacts.. It seem strange
    that this (brown eyed) person I have known for quite a while, now 
    has blue eyes. 
    
    But then again I do not understand why people dye their hair either..
715.10Eyes of silver, shine on shine on.ELESYS::JASNIEWSKIjust a revolutionary with a pseudonymTue Mar 21 1989 10:328
    
    	Personally, I'm waiting for the silver ones to come out, like
    mirror sunglasses!
    
    	Hope I dont scare anyone...
    
    	Joe Jas
    
715.11WEDOIT::THIBAULTIt doesn't make sense. Isn't itTue Mar 21 1989 10:585
Personally, I would not want to go thru the hassle of wearing contact
lenses if I didn't have to. They're bad enough just changing your
eyesight. But then again I already have green eyes so what do I know...

Jenna
715.12I like women with glasses!!!!MPGS::DRURYTue Mar 21 1989 11:086
    
    I think people look better when they're wearing glasses so I don't
    even like the idea of any contacts. But if a person wishes to change
    the color of their eyes, that's fine with me.
    
    Joe
715.13Why Not ???FDCV10::BOTTIGLIOOne Day At A TimeTue Mar 21 1989 11:158
    	If it will make you feel good about your appearance and not
    hurt you or anyone else - why not ?
    
    	Go for it - you can always reverse the decision if it doesn't
    pan out the way you want it to.
    
    		Guy B.
    
715.14MOTHER NATURE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING...PARITY::STACIEDon't start w/me-you know how I get!Tue Mar 21 1989 12:0816
    
    I've tried them, to make my brown eyes blue.
    
    I am a natural blonde (though I do highlight) with brown eyes.
    I tried blue contacts (just to change my eye color) because I'd
    always wished I had blue eyes.  To my surprise, I found I didn't
    like the way I looked at all.  My skin looked sickly pale, and
    my eyes looked "washed out" and my hair looked a lot different,
    too. (Maybe my hair picks up the color of my eyes, or vice versa)
    I was there, money in hand, but the optometrist agreed, blue eyes
    were definitely not me.
    
    It's made me see my brown eyes in a different light, makes me thankful
    I was born with them and not with blue!
    
    Dilly
715.15Those Big Brown Eyes!TYCOBB::LSIGELLynne S...A self confessed NoterholicTue Mar 21 1989 13:0012
    I admit I would love to have been born with blue eyes (my brother
    lucked out in that deal, he has hazel eyes), I do think it is a
    neat idea for people who can wear  them and get away with it.
    I do admit I would love to try them just to see what I look like
    in blue eyes, but I would also feel like if I did purchase a pair,
    people looking at me would not see the "real" me.  I was born with
    dark brown eyes, and yeah, I am pretty happy with them.  People
    are used to seeing me with brown eyes, I think it would be too much
    of a shock if people I knew all my life seen me with big blue eyes,
    since I have dark black hair (it would look neat though :-)
    
    Lynne
715.16Green Monster Eyes...PARITY::DDAVISLong-cool woman in a black dressTue Mar 21 1989 15:0310
    Someone way back mentioned that he wanted the mirror contacts..
    I had to laugh!  That's great!!
    
    Seriously, I saw a person who had green contacts in, and I thought
    she looked like a space person.  Her eyes were a bright green and
    they looked fake, like marbles.  I was born with green eyes and
    I always thought that green contacts would look great, but they
    didn't, a least not on that person.

    -Dotti.
715.17Probably would make the lenses easier to findCADSYS::RICHARDSONTue Mar 21 1989 16:077
    Gee, I wish I *could* wear contacts, but my allergies prevent me from
    doing so - it is no joke wearing the thick heavy glasses
    super-nearsighted folks like me need (you can't see my eyes anyhow;
    they look too tiny through these lenses).  I don't suppose I would
    bother getting ones that would change my eye color, though.  (On the
    other hand, it might make it easier to locate lost contacts if they had
    colored circles on them.)
715.18SHE HAD BEAUTIFULL EYES,ONE RIGHT ABOVE THE OTHERLOWRID::KELLEYTue Mar 21 1989 17:219
    
    I knew a guy that had grey eyes, and he bought a pair of those
    contacts. He liked it alot.Would anyone know what would impell 
    a person to do that? insecurity?
    please dont take this the wrong way.. I beleve in "live and let
    live" but I really would like to know what makes people change
    there natural eye's, hair, or plastic surgery for that matter..
     
    
715.19ACESMK::CHELSEAMostly harmless.Tue Mar 21 1989 17:4418
    Re: .17
    
    >On the other hand, it might make it easier to locate lost contacts
    >if they had colored circles on them.
    
    My contacts have a light blue tint to make them easier to find if
    dropped.  Of course, the bathroom in my first apartment was all
    blue, so that wasn't much help.  The tint doesn't have much effect
    on my eye color, which has yet to settle down to a particular shade.
    (I think the green's finally beating out the blue, but they both
    have a good bit of grey to them and sometimes the green has
    golden-brown flecks.  I hate filling out forms that ask for the
    eye color.)
    
    Re: .18
    
    Sometimes nature doesn't provide a good match between skin tone,
    hair color and eye color.
715.20I don't wear contacts for looks, I wear them to look!WMOIS::E_FINKELSENTue Mar 21 1989 18:1220
I haven't seen any that didn't look phoney.  Of course, maybe I have and didn't
know they were wearing color contacts!  But I have seen some that you just knew
were fake because they were toooooo bright.

My eyes used to be brown but are now closer to a greenish hazel now.  (depends
on the day.)  I wouldn't mind enhancing the green if I could be sure it would be
just a little greener and not bright green.  Even so, they are too expensive for
me.

As for wearing contacts (non-color) for looks only, most people don't wear them
for that reason.  Believe it or not, many people see better with contacts in
than with glasses.  I can only see a few yards with glasses but much better with
contacts.  And that is with new (and correct) glasses.  You do see better with
contacts if they are the right fit and if you aren't allergic to them.  Not to
mention perripheral vision and not having sore ears or having to push your
glasses back up the bridge of your nose every 5 minutes or having to clean so
you can see or worrying about a few sprinkles of rain and .......

:)  Ln_the_contact_wearer...

715.21I don't have brown eyes, but... ;-)CREDIT::BNELSONYou're only humanTue Mar 21 1989 19:2153
>    What do you noters think of the idea of changing brown eyes to blue,
>    green or violet?  I seen a commercial on TV for contact lenses that
>    change brown eyes to whatever....what is your opinion on this.


    	This type of thing will look different on different people.  Also,
    there are different makes of contact lenses, and some look better/worse
    than others.  I would go see your optometrist/opthamologist; most
    likely, he will fit you with some tinted lenses on the spot so you can
    see what it looks like on *you*.


    	When I went to get contacts a little over a year ago, I was firmly
    decided *not* to get any tinting in my lenses.  Well, after we'd played
    around with different makes/types of lenses, they said, "Now we'd like
    to fit you with some colored lenses.  This is because too often in the
    past we didn't do this, and later people said they wanted tinting.  So
    let's find out right now!"  We tried blue, green, and aqua.  My own
    eyes are a blue/green, with the green being a bit more predominant.
    The green didn't look good at all, the aqua didn't make any difference,
    but the blue looked really good!  Then I started thinking that I *was*
    a novice lens wearer, and it might be nice to have the tint so I can
    locate them easier.


    	It's worked out quite well.  Right after I got them, someone I knew
    at work came up to me, got *real* close to peer at my eyes, and said
    "Those *aren't* tinted, are they?"  Boy, did I laugh!  ;-)  And my own
    mom didn't even notice the difference (she claims tho that that's
    because I had blue eyes as a baby).  I had a ball those first few
    weeks!


    	However, I *do* like my own eye color, and want to see my eyes as
    they are without glasses.  So when I get a new pair, I'll get them
    clear.  However, having the tint *has* helped -- if they slip/slide in
    my eyes, I always know where they are.  All I have to do is look
    around, and wherever I see the blue splotch, that's where the lens is.
    Then I just look in that direction, and the lens pops back into place.
    And of course when I drop it the tint is easy to pick out.  I just hope
    I don't lose the clear ones!


    	So I would "test drive" them, and decide for *yourself*.  If it
    makes *you* happy, then do it.  If it doesn't, then don't.  Don't worry
    *too* much about what others think.


    	Good luck!


    Brian
715.22About my baby blues...SCRUZ::CORDES_JAClogging is my life!Wed Mar 22 1989 00:1329
    I have blue eyes and I wear gas permeable contacts.  I've always
    had a slight blue tint to my lenses.  I never asked for it they
    just came that way (I'm told the color was "Blue 1").  About a year
    ago I had some problems with my lenses and had to reorder them.  I
    am pretty light sensitive so it was suggested by my opthomologist
    that a slightly darker tint on the lenses my help the sensitivity
    so we ordered "Blue 2".
    
    In my opinion the difference in color between Blue 1 and Blue 2
    is like the difference between Blue 1 and Blue 65 (with 65 being
    extremely dark).  I wish I could see my eyes like other people see
    them now.  I'd like to know exactly how blue they really are with
    this darker tint.  I didn't really set out to change my eye color
    it just happened that way.  BTW, the Dr. was right, the extra tinting
    has helped with the light sensitivity.  I'm also extremely near-sighted
    without my contacts and having them tinted like this sure makes
    them alot easier to find (its still difficult, but is easier than
    before).
    
    About the only other colors I would consider trying (and only if
    I could get gas permeable lenses and the color would help light
    sensitivity) would be violet (Liz Taylor's color) if it didn't look
    too fake; and gray (always wondered what gray eyes look like, never
    known anyone who had them).  This would only be for fun though.
    I have blue eyes, I'll always have blue eyes and I like having blue
    eyes.  I don't feel like I'd be the same "me" if I changed them
    to some other color all the time.
    
    Jan
715.23Why not?!MEMV03::CROCITTOIt's Jane Bullock Crocitto nowWed Mar 22 1989 11:5118
    What fun!
    
    I hate the thought of *anything* in my eyes, but if I did wear contact
    lens, I'd choose AQUA.
    
    As people wondering why you suddenly have different color eyes,
    well--I always say, SHAKE 'EM UP!  Who cares, anyway?
    
    I'm the kind of person who loves change.  I walked in to work one
    day with bright red hair (brown's my usual) and really enjoyed the
    difference.  
    
    If you want to do it, do it for YOURSELF.  Personally I think it's
    a kick to see Whoopi Goldberg with blue eyes now and then.
    
    Just my thoughts,
    
    Jane
715.24It's all realHICKRY::HOPKINSHugs for HealthWed Mar 22 1989 16:2411
    I like my blue eyes, my daddy gave them to me.  People are always 
    asking me "do you wear contacts?".  When I reply yes, they say 
    "I thought so, they're a beautiful color."   Ummm, but they're clear.
    On one occasion I actually had to take the contact out to prove to a
    person this IS my REAL eye color.
    But then again, they can't believe it when I tell them I don't perm
    my hair either.....oh well.
    
    Marie
                  
    
715.25the violet seems intriguingREGENT::NIKOLOFFchannel one = LazarisWed Mar 22 1989 16:3111
  This is very interesting topic, changing eyes color,many of us would like 
to have that option.   I have dark brown eyes and like them, but would like to 
try on some other color.  I have a couple questions, like what is the
total cost approx.?  And can they make dark brown eyes lighter? I have
been waiting for some of the lens to be perfected, since I don't need
glasses all the time, yet.  Does anyone have dark brown eyes with light
skin and brown hair thats has lighter contacts?

thanks in advance,

Mikki
715.261 pair of Liz Taylor eyes, pleaseCLOSUS::WOODWARDI wish life were meetinglessWed Mar 22 1989 16:3711
Funny this topic should appear now. I have an opthamologist's appt tomorrow
morning.  I've been wondering what I would do if I need contacts.  I've been
intrigued by the tinted lenses, since they look so wonderful on models in
magazines.  However, I am still not sure if I would change my eye color.  

I know one person who changed to blue tinted lenses and her eyes look unnatural,
sort of like a husky's eyes.  Another person changed hers to green and they look
wonderful, like deep emeralds. 

I hope that I don't have to make a decision about contacts/glasses.  I much
prefer 20/20 vision to wearing contacts.
715.27But Mine Are Brown, AnywayFDCV01::ROSSWed Mar 22 1989 16:3913
        
    Re. 2
        
  >  	When it got bright, and her pupils contracted, I could see her
  >  brown cornea in the middle of a hazel contact.
    
  >  	It was kind of goofy looking, actually, but you had to be right
  >  on top of her to notice..
    
  I don't know Mike, if I were "right on top of her", cHances are *my*
  eyes would be shut, and I wouldn't notice. :-)
    
    Alan    
715.28how do colored contacts work ?HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::HOGAN$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Wed Mar 22 1989 16:4112
    
    
    What are the colored contact lenses ?  Are they clear-centered for
    where you see out of, and colored on a donut=shaped perimeter to cover
    the colored ring of your eye ?
    
    If so, what makes them float at exactly the right spot?  It could look
    quite bizarre to look at someone who's colored contacts had floated
    a little bit off center.  Kind of like gazing into the olympic rings
    in someone's eyes ?
    
    
715.29Do you see blue?HICKRY::HOPKINSHugs for HealthWed Mar 22 1989 16:527
    .28  You know...I hadn't even thought of that.  Another question
    would be, if there is enough color to change your eye color, do
    you see whatever color the lense is, like tinted glasses?  I know
    I have a black dot on my right lense (to tell them apart) and I
    don't see the dot when I'm wearing the lenses.
                                        
    
715.30Seeing Blue?TYCOBB::LSIGELLynne S...A self confessed NoterholicWed Mar 22 1989 17:017
    I know someone who had blue contacts and told me they see a blue
    tint on everything they look at...does anyone else seem to have
    the same problem?
    
    Liz Taylor eyes.....hmmmmmmmmmmm
    
    Lynne 
715.31QUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveWed Mar 22 1989 17:158
The original tinted contacts were solid color.  The ones sold today have a
clear center that you see through.  Some brands have a striated pattern
that is meant to be more realistic.  I haven't tried any of these myself,
being perfectly happy with my own blue eyes.

As for centering - contact lenses do that by themselves.

				Steve
715.32ring around the irisNOETIC::KOLBEThe dilettante debutanteWed Mar 22 1989 19:376
      I take it these contacts are hard ones? My soft lenses extend quite a
      bit past my iris and if they were colored it would deffinately
      look strange. Now if they'd just come up with something that would
      make my fair skin tan...wait, I've got it...if everyone wears
      brown lenses I'll look tan to them. ;*) liesl
715.33I wonder.....TYCOBB::LSIGELLynne S...A self confessed NoterholicWed Mar 22 1989 19:452
    I wonder if they have contact lenses that change blue eyes to brown
    :-).............
715.34ACESMK::CHELSEAMostly harmless.Wed Mar 22 1989 20:034
    Re: .33
    
    As I understand it, yes.  They show the "brown eyes to whatever"
    lenses in the ads because that's the most impressive transformation.
715.35QUARK::LIONELThe dream is aliveWed Mar 22 1989 23:288
    The lenses are available in soft form.  There are perhaps a half-dozen
    manufacturers or more.  Drop by your optometrist for details.
    
    As for color transformations, I think that blue to brown is a bit
    difficult.  Most of the lenses I have seen in the brochures have
    been in the blue to green range.  
    
    				Steve
715.36on eyes and thingsWMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Thu Mar 23 1989 01:0555
    in re .35, Steve,
    
    That's interesting. When I was wearing contacts about 15 to 20 years
    ago, they had color tinted lenses that could darken light eyes,
    or add color to the blue/green/gray range...but at the time I was
    told that changing brown eyes to light was just about impossible.
    At the time it was done for movies by using lenses with opaque
    colors over the iris and a hole in the center for vision...which
    of course would shift as you blinked.
    
    A couple of comments on earlier notes...a few people have asked
    why someone would change their hair or eye color..and it was
    implied at least once that a person who would do so was insecure.
    I don' think so. I think that a willingness to change ones
    appearance shows a spirit of adventure...and perhaps a bit of
    the actor or actress in a person..i.e. they like to take on roles
    and see what they would be like if things were a bit diferent.
    
    and in re eye color..my biology may be out of date now but
    this is how I recall eye color origins..
    
    there are two sets of genes that control eye color..
    
    there are the brown/blue set and the yellow/no yellow set..there
    are also genes for intensity of pigment and also for absence
    of pigment (i.e albino).
    
    so
    
    you have two iris colors, brown or blue..brown is dominant to blue
    in heredity..either color can vary in intensity of pigment, from
    very dark brown (almost black) to very light blue.i.e. gray.
    
    there is a second color that arises from the back of the eye..this
    is the yellow color that produces the colors hazel or green. These
    two colors cause a great deal of confusion. This is because they
    are seen through the iris color and thus change with the angle of
    a person's head, the light, and even what they are wearing..and
    apparently also with age.
    
    So if you have brown pigment in the iris and the yellow pigment
    in the back of the eye..then your eyes are hazel or amber or light
    brown..(and can be called green), if you have the blue pigment in
    the iris and yellow pigment in the back of the eye then your basic
    eye color is green. Purple, is very deep blue by the way.
    
    I have brown eyes and carry the recessives for both blue and 
    the hazel/green producing yellow pigment. My husband has green
    eyes (blue + yellow)... our biological child has brown + yellow
    or hazel eyes.. tho as a child I was sure his eyes were pure
    brown.
    
    It is really very fascinating to look at the eye colors in families.
    
    Bonnie
715.37don't it make my brown eyes, blue.....COMET::BERRYAnnie are you ok, Are you ok ANNIE!Thu Mar 23 1989 09:5614
    I've never considered this before.  At present I've been wearing a
    clear soft lens since 1972.  Just for grins, I may try blue to see what
    they look like, on my next eye examine.  I have brown eyes now.  Some
    folks say they change from time to time.  With dark brown hair and a
    dark tan, I'd like to see how "blue eyes" would look on me.
    
    Know what I'd really like to try???
    
    Ever see the video "Thriller" where M. Jackson has those big yellow
    lenses in?  That would be neat to wear them to work for just one
    day!  
    
    Regards, Dwight
                   
715.38Can anyone get them?TYCOBB::LSIGELLynne S...A self confessed NoterholicThu Mar 23 1989 11:005
    Another one...do you have to have either near sighted or far sighted
    to get tinted lenses??? Do they sell them to people that just want
    to change their eye color, but have perfect vision?
    
    Lynne
715.39Keep'em guessing says I! ;-)CREDIT::BNELSONYou're only humanThu Mar 23 1989 13:13148
RE: .25

>  This is very interesting topic, changing eyes color,many of us would like 
>to have that option.   I have dark brown eyes and like them, but would like to 
>try on some other color.  I have a couple questions, like what is the
>total cost approx.?  And can they make dark brown eyes lighter? I have
>been waiting for some of the lens to be perfected, since I don't need
>glasses all the time, yet.  Does anyone have dark brown eyes with light
>skin and brown hair thats has lighter contacts?


	A little over a year ago, I paid $300 for my contacts.  That's $150
for extended wear tinted soft contacts, and $150 for the fitting and everything
else.  Be *very* careful about the followup visits -- I had regularly scheduled
visits for 6 months afterwards, and could make additional appointments any time
I wanted in those 6 months.  I used that privilege a few times, and was glad
I had it.  Some of these places that don't watch over you after you get them
scare me; think about it, these are your *eyes*.  I value mine very highly, and
want trained professionals to supervise how things are going.  I was one of
those who thought I could *never* wear contacts because I'm so skittish about
stuff near my eyes, but quickly changed my tune!  Also, be sure to get the
insurance ($25/year).  It's worth it!


	As for making brown eyes lighter, that I don't know about.


RE: .26


>I know one person who changed to blue tinted lenses and her eyes look unnatural,
>sort of like a husky's eyes.  Another person changed hers to green and they look
>wonderful, like deep emeralds. 


	It all depends on the person:  their skin color, their hair, their
natural eye color, and the particular brand of contact they have.


>I hope that I don't have to make a decision about contacts/glasses.  I much
>prefer 20/20 vision to wearing contacts.


	I couldn't agree more, but unfortunately I didn't have that option!


RE: .28
    
    
>    What are the colored contact lenses ?  Are they clear-centered for
>    where you see out of, and colored on a donut=shaped perimeter to cover
>    the colored ring of your eye ?


	Mine are clear lenses with the tinting over the *exact* area where
my natural eye color occurs.  The edges, where the whites of my eyes are,
are clear.  Thus, what you have is a small piece of round plastic which has a
circle of royal blue tint in the center.

    
>    If so, what makes them float at exactly the right spot?  It could look
>    quite bizarre to look at someone who's colored contacts had floated
>    a little bit off center.  Kind of like gazing into the olympic rings
>    in someone's eyes ?


	The contacts are shaped to *your* eye -- their natural tendency is to
float where they should be.  What can cause them to move are things like
rubbing your eye (which no one should do!), or getting splashed with water.
The interesting thing is, with the high water content in my extended wear
lenses, I've accidentally opened my eyes under water a few times and never
lost a lens!  The suction between the lens and your eye is very great and holds
the lens there.  *Not* that I recommend testing this!  ;-)


RE: .29, 30


>    .28  You know...I hadn't even thought of that.  Another question
>    would be, if there is enough color to change your eye color, do
>    you see whatever color the lense is, like tinted glasses?  I know
>    I have a black dot on my right lense (to tell them apart) and I
>    don't see the dot when I'm wearing the lenses.

>    I know someone who had blue contacts and told me they see a blue
>    tint on everything they look at...does anyone else seem to have
>    the same problem?


	No!  I asked the same thing, and when the doc said "no", I didn't
believe him.  But he was right!  I see everything in their normal colors with-
out any hint of a tint at all (no rhyme intended!  ;-) ).  Frankly, I don't
understand why, but I just know it works!  But again, you may have to watch
out -- perhaps other lenses don't work the same way mine do.


RE: .32
                                        

>      I take it these contacts are hard ones? My soft lenses extend quite a
>      bit past my iris and if they were colored it would deffinately
>      look strange. Now if they'd just come up with something that would
>      make my fair skin tan...wait, I've got it...if everyone wears
>      brown lenses I'll look tan to them. ;*) liesl


	As I mentioned above, they measured my eyes *exactly*.  It *would*
look funny if there were any blue showing where the white is, which is what
that person I knew at work was looking for.  When she didn't see it, she
concluded that must be my own eye color that was hidden behind the glasses
for so many years.


RE: .38


>    Another one...do you have to have either near sighted or far sighted
>    to get tinted lenses??? Do they sell them to people that just want
>    to change their eye color, but have perfect vision?


	I can't see why not, what you'd probably have is just plain ol' plastic
with some tinting.  But it seems like an awful lot of money just to change your
eye color!


	As for insecurity, I plead innocent there.  As stated previously,
I went in totally against the idea.  But I liked the transformation enough
to get them, and haven't regretted it!  It was so much fun at the beginning,
watching people I know *stare* into my eyes.  And then get completely fooled
by them!!!  ;-)  ;-)


	My contacts are from Ciba Vision, if anyone's interested.  They are
*very* comfortable, and I really like the cleaning system.  I wear mine a
week at a time, and then take them out to clean/disinfect/enzyme them.  Of
course, if I feel they need it before then I don't hesitate to do that, too.
The biggest thing with contacts is you have to *want* to deal with the extra
work that goes into it, and you can't be silly about leaving them in for too
long.  That's how people get into trouble, and get infections and lose eyes.
If you want more info, I'll be happy to talk off-line.


	Have fun!  ;-)


Brian
715.40Bonnie,...Do you know....SUPER::REGNELLSmile!--Payback is a MOTHER!Thu Mar 23 1989 13:3018
         
         Bonnie...
         
         A question...My son has "patchwork" eyes. They are
         predominantly blue/grey with actual, non-moving,
         defined areas of light brown....like a money cat
         almost...
         
         Does this iris or background color happen in uneven
         applications?....Or can you have both.  Your explanation
         fascinated me, and I am trying to fit Eric's eyes
         into your brief words???
         
         Melinda
         
         BTW...he is eight....DR's for years have been going...
         "Say, look at this...." [sigh]
715.41As I remember it....WMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Fri Mar 24 1989 15:1012
    Yes the background color can appear uneven. Whether this
    is due to unevenness in the pigment or in the thickness/
    thinness of the iris it is viewed through I don't recall.
    
    However, I do remember being told once that back mutation
    to brown in blue eyed people is one of the more common
    human mutations. (This was from a fellow bio grad student
    whose son was born with one blue eye and one eye half blue
    and half brown.) Apparently it most commonly occurs in only
    part of the iris. This could explain your son's eyes.
    
    Bonnie
715.42ACESMK::CHELSEAMostly harmless.Fri Mar 24 1989 16:337
    Re: .40, .41
    
    My eyes were distinctly patchwork for a long time -- section of
    green on the inner curve, a section of blue on the outer curve,
    a section of grey at the bottom.  I now have a golden brown ring
    around the pupil, so it's possible they're changing.  Just have
    to wait and see.
715.43Surprised no one else caught that one.....CASV05::SALOISFind out something only dead men knowMon Mar 27 1989 00:558
    
    "... right on top of her to notice."

    
    Oh Mike, should I??
    
    	Euphemistically speaking or what?
    8*)
715.44SSDEVO::GALLUPWildfire....Mon Mar 27 1989 03:1512

	 RE: -.1
	 
>                -< Surprised no one else caught that one..... >-

	 who's saying we didn't?  but its nice to keep a note on the
	 topic for once.....

	 i used mail to tease him about it.

	 kath
715.45Harumph, Harumph....FDCV10::ROSSMon Mar 27 1989 18:309
    Re: .43
    
    Er, Gene, please read my .27.
    
    These contacted brown-eyes surely *did* notice.
    
    You might try reading *all* the replies first....... :-) :-)
    
      Alan
715.46dagnabit.... snagged again....8*)CASV05::SALOISFind out something only dead men knowMon Mar 27 1989 18:377
    
    ooops!  Sorry Alan, you caught me....
    
    Mike's such a good-natured type of guy, I just couldn't resist
    poking a little fun at him!!
    
    
715.47WMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Mon Mar 27 1989 18:465
    in re Gene.
    
    .44 wasn't the only person to send Mike mail on that one either..
    
    Bonnie
715.48Would freak people out....MCIS2::AKINSCollege....The Big LieTue Mar 28 1989 04:204
    I'd like to have MIRROR SUNGLASSES for contact lenses....but that's
    just me....
    
    Bill
715.49BillPAR5::LSIGELLynne S..Where's the Noter Rehab????Tue Mar 28 1989 20:484
    Sounds preeeeetty wild :-)
    
    
    Lynne S.
715.50ACESMK::CHELSEAMostly harmless.Tue Mar 28 1989 21:093
    Re: .48
    
    Or glow-in-the-dark contacts -- wouldn't that play with a few minds.
715.51re: -.1BSS::BLAZEKDancing with My SelfTue Mar 28 1989 21:327
    	Now that's a great idea!  I wear contacts because I have to
    	(you people with perfect vision should count your blessings
    	no matter what color your eyes are), but oh how I'd love to
    	combine corrective vision with blowing people's minds!
    
    							Carla
    
715.52invest your money now!WMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Wed Mar 29 1989 01:317
    Carla,
    
    I will bet that glow in the dark and mirror shade contacts are
    just around the corner...let us see if we are prophets of a 
    future trend.
    
    Bonnie
715.53my dream come trueBSS::BLAZEKDancing with My SelfWed Mar 29 1989 02:074
    	Bonnie, I bet you're right!  Vampire eyes, heh heh heh!
    
    							Carla
    
715.54NEXUS::GORTMAKERWhatsa Gort?Wed Mar 29 1989 12:038
    re.50
    I've always wanted to get some of the UV dye my eyedoc uses to check
    the fit. Put a few drops in each eye and then hang out in a bar with
    UV lights on the dance floor. Could be interesting.....
    
    -j(with green glowing brown eyes)
                                                           
    
715.55Husky Eyed?TYCOBB::LSIGELLynne S..Where's the Noter Rehab????Wed Mar 29 1989 12:206
    For Bonnie and Carla..
    
    What happens to a brown eyed person wearing blue contacts....and
    one falls out? ;-}
    
    Lynne !
715.57LEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoWed Mar 29 1989 14:2832
    Actually, in re: glowing/silver contacts, scleral contacts (full
    eye covering contacts) have been in use for a long time in the motion
    picture business.  "Darkness" in Legend, "the Martians" in Ray
    Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles, Michael Jackson in the Thriller
    Video, and many others have used them.  I'm not sure how easy they
    are to SEE out of, but I'm sure if they left space around the pupil
    it might be just fine.  Having gold eyes might be a "fashion statement"
    that would be kind of bizarre (like spiked, blue hair) - and I'm
    not sure there'd be enough of a market for it.
    
    I do know that models use different tinted contacts to enable them
    to take other modeling jobs (whether they need contacts or not,
    it gives them a wider appeal if they can "change on the spot").
    I've noticed that the models in face-close-up ads now often have
    multi-hued eyes (rings of different color) rather than just a bright
    shade of normal color (which was getting fairly common right after
    the introduction of colored contacts).
    
    I dunno, if I needed contacts, I don't think I'd get anything too
    differently tinted - I know I'd be pretty weirded out if I took
    home a nice young green-eyed man and the color turned out to be
    false*.  I'll stick with my steely-baby-blues, thanx.  

    -Jody
    
    p.s.  this reminds me of a bloom county where the brunette dude
    (what is his name) takes a woman home, and she proceeds to clarify
    that that is *not* her real hair, *not* her real eyelashes, *not*
    her real chest or hips (falsies & a girdle).....and she is quite
    plain after removing all the trappings.  He simply unzips his whole
    body and turns out to be "Bill the Cat"....!
    
715.58one blue, one brown.....naturally!CSOA1::KRESSHave fun storming the castle!Thu Mar 30 1989 11:1612
    re .55
    
    If a brown eyed person wearing blue contact lenses loses one, what
    happens?   I wouldn't think anything major would occur.  I had a
    friend who was born with one eye the color of blue/grey and the
    other brown.  No, she didn't look like the dog from Down and Out
    in Beverly Hills!
    
    What about contact lenses that would be white and just leave the
    pupil showing?  Would people freak out?  :-)
    
    Kris
715.59Yup...they would!!!!TYCOBB::LSIGELLynne S..Where's the Noter Rehab????Thu Mar 30 1989 12:127
    re.58
    
    
    Yoooou bet they would :-) ;-)!!!!!!!
    
    p.s I like Mike the Dog...maybe we should buy him a brown or a blue
    contact :-)
715.60Watch out for Bob, he's really seeing red today!WEA::PURMALFeet in the air, head on the groundThu Mar 30 1989 14:4010
        Those of you who've suggested types of contact lenses should
    start a designer contact company.  You don't have to stop at mirrored
    or glow in the dark lenses.  You could produce contacts with patterns
    on them.  I'm just afraid that someone would eventually produce
    something that I hope died in the 70's
    
    Mood contacts.  They'd work like mood rings only on your eyes. 
    Its a scary thought.
    
    ASP
715.61Designer lensesCSOA1::KRESSHave fun storming the castle!Thu Mar 30 1989 23:2216
    Mood lenses????  That's a great idea!!!  Certainly would make dealing
    with people easier.....at work, at home, at the bars (not that I've
    ever been in one, myself) :-]
    
    Patterns?  I don't know....seeing paisley or tie-dyed eyes might
    disturb me (yes, I'm disturbed enough).  
    
    If anyone wants to start a designer lens company, I'm sure we could
    come up with a few good suggestions.....in keeping with today trends,
    what about lenses with the twinkling lights like you see on license
    plates????  Or even Polo, Izod, Calvin Klein, Liz Claiborne....with
    Anne Klein we could have a lion embossed on the lens?
    
    OK  OK!  I'm getting carried away.....
    
    K2
715.62MCIS2::AKINSCollege....The Big LieFri Mar 31 1989 01:374
    I know a girl/woman/female with natural eyes that change color with
    her moods.  I've watch them change....it's sooooo neat...
    
    Bill
715.63more on eye colorWMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Fri Mar 31 1989 02:2812
    Those who are blessed with natural eyes that change color
    are those that have blue+yellow =green or brown + yellow = hazel.
    This is because with changing position, or lighting or clothing
    the yellow on the back of the eye is seen differently..and changes
    the eye color. I am, by the way, amazed at the number of people
    who call green eyes 'hazel'.. hazel specifically means changeable
    eyes where the dominant color is brown, shading to orange, beige,
    amber, gold etc...while green means the type of eyes where the
    dominant color is blue (i.e. by dominant I mean the iris color)
    and the variations are shades of blue to green to yellow.
    
    Bonnie
715.64Don't it make my green eyes blue..FDCV06::VAUGHANkinda music that soothes the soulFri Mar 31 1989 04:534
    I have green eyes and my wife always says she can tell when I'm
    tired because they tend to change to blue.
    
    dv
715.65LEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoFri Mar 31 1989 14:4410
    I think people with two different color eyes are extremely neat
    to see.  
    
    If there were a designer company, I'd want to get a pair (for those
    really wild evenings) that had vertical pupils......
    
    Would really flip people out
    
    -Jody
    
715.67what are friends for, eh? 8^)SSDEVO::GALLUPNow you're in Heaven....Fri Mar 31 1989 16:078

>    	... but it sure would hynotize your dancing partners ...

	 Carla doesn't need any help hypnotizing 'em! 8^)  


	 kath
715.68Sad eyes, turn the other way...LEZAH::SCANLONI was so much older then...Fri Mar 31 1989 17:098
	RE: a few back...

	My eyes change from brown to a beautiful shade of green when I
	cry...  Almost makes me whish I was sad more often!  8`)

	Take care,
	Tara
715.69the eyes have itBSS::BLAZEKDancing with My SelfSat Apr 01 1989 00:2421
    re: .67 (Kathy)
    
    	=8-)
    
    
    re: .68 (Tara)
    
    	When I cry, my eyes also become much greener than they normally
    	are.  Also, because I do wear (clear) contacts, I get a pretty
    	close look at my eyes every morning and every evening, and I've
    	noticed that my irises tend to be a bluish in the morning and a
    	brighter green at night.
    
    	Personally, I can't imagine someone who doesn't need corrective
    	lenses _wanting_ to wear contacts simply to change the color of
    	their eyes.  Contacts are expensive, sometimes uncomfortable,
    	and a hassle.  But I still love them a million times more than
    	glasses!
    
    							Carla
    
715.70where can I trade 'em in?LEZAH::BOBBITTinvictus maneoSun Apr 02 1989 22:494
    When I cry my eyes get red and puffy.  Yuck.
    
    -Jody
    
715.72Brown Eyeed People are Better ??FDCV10::BOTTIGLIOSome Teardrops Never DryMon Apr 03 1989 12:439
    	As anyone who has participated i the Dynamics of Differences
    - or Valuing Differences workshop can testify - people with Brown
    eyes are superior to people with Blue eyes.
    
    	If you haven't participated i nthe workshop, please don't feel
    insulted - ask someone who has participated.
    
    	Guy B.
    
715.73SSDEVO::GALLUPNow you're in Heaven....Mon Apr 03 1989 15:1211
	 RE: .72

	 
> people with Brown eyes are superior to people with Blue eyes.

	 Okay, I won't be insulted (for now)......So, I'm asking....WHY?


	 kath

715.74OL'BLUE EYES.LOWRID::KELLEYMon Apr 03 1989 15:496
    
    
    RE:.72
    
    Im tellin Frank Sinatra.
    
715.75ACESMK::CHELSEAMostly harmless.Mon Apr 03 1989 16:095
    Re: .73
    
    It's really best to take the Valuing Differences seminar for yourself
    and find out why.  It's an interesting exercise.  (And trust the
    Valuing Differences seminar to deliver a consistent message.)
715.76Does Frank Sinatra have blue eyes? :-)CSOA1::KRESSHave fun storming the castle!Mon Apr 03 1989 21:1411
    Re: .72
    
    Guy,
    
    I thought it was common knowledge that brown eyed people are superior
    to blue eyed people....I've known it for 28 years ;-)
    
    Kris
    
    Actually, it's not the color of the eyes that is important - it's
    what the eyes say!
715.77The eyes have it...MCIS2::AKINSCollege....The Big LieMon Apr 03 1989 23:593
    My eyes should be sensored or arrested then....
    
    Bill
715.78in re .77 is that sensored or censored? ;-)WMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Tue Apr 04 1989 03:051
    
715.79ooops..MCIS2::AKINSCollege....The Big LieTue Apr 04 1989 03:174
    censored....
    
    Bill
    
715.80Ol' Blue Eyes!TYCOBB::LSIGELWhen Life is too much..ROLL WITH IT BabyTue Apr 04 1989 12:184
    Now wouldn't it be funny if Frank Sinatra actually had brown eyes
    and wore blue tinted contacts :-)
    
    Lynne S.
715.81Thanks to .76 (Kris)FDCV10::BOTTIGLIOSome Teardrops Never DryTue Apr 04 1989 16:229
    Kris -
    
    	You have one up on me - 51 yrs. old, and I just learned of the
    superiority a week ago.
    
    Best wishes ...
    
    		Guy B.
    
715.82SSDEVO::GALLUPNow you're in Heaven....Tue Apr 04 1989 18:367
	 RE: last few

	 welll, I guess all of us that don't have the opportunity to
	 attend such seminars will just have to remain blind, eh?

	 k
715.83advantages of brown eyes???CSOA1::KRESSHave fun storming the castle!Tue Apr 04 1989 22:4115
    
    Once upon a time, I heard that people with darker eyes have an easier
    time waking.  I thought it was funny at the time but when I compare
    myself with my sister (the blonde, blue-eyed child), I wonder if
    there could be a possibility of truth???  Or is than an old wives
    tale???
    
    Sorry for the digression.....
    
    BTW, not only are Frank Sinatra's eyes brown but his voice has been
    dubbed all these years.  Incredible that the audience has been fooled
    all this time, isn't it?  ;-)
    
    
    Kris
715.84WMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Wed Apr 05 1989 01:447
    Partial answer to the brown eyes/blue eyes better or worse
    Val Dif scenerio. In brief eye color was used in a workshop
    to simulate discriminatory situations. It was an example
    of an artificial type of discrimination to help people
    understand what happens in real life.
    
    Bonnie
715.85Val DiffWMOIS::E_FINKELSENw/o stress, life would be emptyWed Apr 05 1989 13:2012
To give a fuller answer....

Seems there was a teacher somewhere in a small town the midwest where there
weren't many/any minorities.  The teacher was trying to explain discrimination
to them.

She told all of her students to form two groups, brown eyes in one and all
others (blue, light....) in the other.  One day the brown eyed people were to be
the minorities and the next day the others. The minority group couldn't do this
or that because they weren't "as good as" the "superior" group. 

Hope I explained this clearly enough...
715.86I cant "SEE"it!LOWRID::KELLEYThu Apr 06 1989 00:1116
    
    
    Going back a few. I cant see (no pun intended.) how a brown eyed
    person is any superior.Im not offended or anything but that seems
    as silly as saying "All people who part there hair on  the right
    side are better than those who part on the left!"Mabey you are right
    "statistically speaking.." I'd like to to know how the "group" came
    up with that?
    
    
    
    
    Chuck
    
    
    
715.88Please Laugh....MCIS2::AKINSCollege....The Big LieThu Apr 06 1989 02:1214
    Don't tell me you took that reply seriously.....
    
    come on folks lighten up....the person was only joking..
    
    Valuing Differences has nothing to do with this...it's just a little
    bravado joking.....
    
    By the way people with Last names begining with "A" are by far the
    best....
    
    :-)
    
    The Rebel
    
715.89BUSY::KLEINBERGERDisic Vita Lux HominumThu Apr 06 1989 03:2117
    Well, I have never taken the valuing differences course or seminar,
    so I don't know what they teach, but I know Ophra Winpry (sp?)
    did a show where all blue eyed people had to wear a white collar
    (or something to that order) , and they talked about how superior
    they were, and how great they were, and the brown eyed people in
    the audience really got ticked off...
    
    Turned out that nobody was superior, everyone was equal, but it
    was the way people tend to group people, and "talk themselves into
    being superior" or something like that...
    
    It was interesting...  I am sure the valuing difference course probably
    does a take off from that...
    
    
    Gale
    
715.90Right -1FDCV10::BOTTIGLIOSome Teardrops Never DryThu Apr 06 1989 19:2514
    RE -1
    
    	Correct - Valuing Differences features a video of such an Oprah
    show - people with other than brown eyes wore green collars and
    the audience was motivated to discriminatory behavior in a matter
    of
    15 minutes or so - theme People with brown eyes are superior.
    
    	Showed people how silly it is to discriminate on the basis of
    such as skin color, and also how easily people are manipulated to
    change their behavior.
    
    	Guy B.
    
715.91Right "O"HYEND::DAVISFri May 19 1989 14:4810
    re:90
    
    I agree with you 100%!!!!
    
    I don't think people should be discrimanated because of their race,
    eyecolor or body shape!!!!
    
    Good for you :-)!
    
    Lynne S.
715.92Is the ever-lovin'-blue-eyed rush still on?STAR::RDAVISIf I can't dance,you can keep your OSTue Aug 15 1989 17:519
    I have boring blue eyes and have always found brown or black eyes very
    attractive.  It seemed for a while that colored lenses were going to
    make the whole world blue or green eyed.  (Sort of the same way that
    control of a baby's gender was going to make the next generation all
    male - remember that scare?)  Does anyone know if the fad has died down
    any?  Or am I going to have to buy brown-tinted lenses and look in the
    mirror all the time?
    
    Ray
715.93Lenses are still an item *here*CSOA1::KRESSOh to be young and insane!Tue Aug 15 1989 18:2014
    
    Ray,
    
    Here in the Burgh, the rush is still on (of course, we may be a
    bit behind the rest of the world ;-)  ).  Actually, there seems
    to be more commercials for colored lenses.  
    
    I don't know of too many blue-eyed people who wear brown lenses...
    Perhaps you could be a trend setter and be the first!  :-)
    
    Kris  (still brown-eyed)
    
    
    
715.94HACKIN::MACKINJim Mackin, Aerospace EngineeringTue Aug 15 1989 22:2211
    I saw my first pair of blue lenses a few weeks ago on a woman a few
    weeks ago.  At first I didn't like them, since it was obvious she was
    wearing colored contacts: her skin and hair tone would have made it
    genetically very unlikely that she had blue eyes.  Plus they were *bright*
    blue.
    
    But, I'll have to admit to having looked at her twice (or three
    times...), whereas before I never really noticed her.  And even though
    I didn't particularly like the look, they did have a sexy, alluring,
    aspect to them.  Probably would have reacted in a similar way if she'd
    walked in wearing a futuristic space outfit.
715.95From the Two Cents Dept.JULIET::APODACA_KIThe Doomsday PeachMon Aug 21 1989 20:2510
    For what it is worth, I had/have colored contacts (green).  I naturally
    have hazel eyes that often appear brown.  I have nearly black hair
    and a fair to medium complexion (depending on my tan), and would
    expect that even the lighter blue lenses on ME would make me look
    alien-esque or hokey.  I personally prefer colored lenses that at
    least *could* be natural--when it's obvious, it makes me wonder
    why bother?  I thought the whole point was to make your eyes seema
    different color, not like they were from another planet.   ;)
    
    kim