| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 660.1 | Stick to your guns | AKOV13::FULTZ | ED FULTZ | Mon Jan 23 1989 14:46 | 23 |
| I think you did what had to be done. You tried, like a good neighbor,
to ask them nicely to turn it down. They would, but then did not
do so the next time. You don't have an obligation to have to keep
"reminding" them to keep the stereo down. They have hit on one
of the biggest problems with apartment life. You cannot do all
that you want to do. If they want to play the stereo loudly, then
they will just have to either move to a house, or find an apartment
complex that allows the loud stereo.
I would try to be cordial, but if the noise continues, I would
certainly call the security office. After all, you must be sure
to get your problems/complaints on the record so that you cannot
be blamed for harassement or whatever. Also, the apartment people
will be able to use this as a reason not to renew the lease, or
even to break the lease if the people continue in an unneighborly
way.
I own rental property and feel for you. I have been through the
situation as the landlord and I know that it is not easy to resolve.
Ed..
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| 660.2 | their is the police also! | VIDEO::PARENTJ | physical>human, Logical>person | Mon Jan 23 1989 15:13 | 18 |
|
We also had a similar problem when we lived in an apartment. The
upstairs neighbor had a piano (over our tv couch) and a stereo.
After repeated compaints direct about both the we went to management
(large complex) and the piano did move. but the stereo continued
to be a problem. They liked to play it starting Sunday am when
we would sleep late. My resolution was to relay on my engineering
skills (and very extensive spare parts box) to apply simple jamming
techniques to the stereo. I was even able to enough noise (squeaks
pops and howls) to annoy other appartments via his stereo. After
a while the stereo ceased to be a problem. We were never able to
do anything about their lead feet (they were LOUD when they walked),
we never had thet problem with the prior tenant.
It was the incentive to save and buy a house (and not a condo)!
john
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| 660.3 | I here you (: (: | ANT::CHARRON | | Mon Jan 23 1989 15:55 | 55 |
|
Sharon,
My wife and I have the same problem right now.. Our upstairs neighbors
are the noisiest people I have ever encountered. They have a stereo
with an output of atleast 100 watts and tower/sensaround speakers.
They love to drink beer and play the music loud usually starting
Thurs. nite and lasting through the weekend.. Worse yet, they have
a six year old daughter who screams and cries because they play
it so loud and at such unreasonable hours..
We, like you, tried talking to them to resolve the situation. It
went quite well, they told us they would keep the music down and
if by chance it got too loud, they instructed us to call them.. Well,
the "treaty" lasted about two weeks before we had to start calling
them. We had to call them so many times it was like baby sitting....
It also made us feel like the "heavies" raining on their parade..
We finally tired of the situation and contacted the landlord.. She
supposedly sent them a letter, but still they persisted.. It got
to the point that regardless of how we felt they would continue
doing whatever they pleased.
I'm actually an easy going guy, but I was at the end of my rope.
My wife and I contacted the local police and asked them what we
could do about this situation.. They told us we could call in and
complain and they would dispatch an officer to investigate.. They
also informed us that a complaint before nine P.M. only warrants an
investigation and warning to the perpetrators if the officer agrees
with the complaint. However, a complaint logged after nine (this
is where it gets good ;') ) can result in the offending party/parties
arrest if the officer agrees with the complaint..
SOoo, one Sat. night around ten thirty P.M. when the music was LOUD
we called the "coppers". We were afraid that by the time the police
showed up they would have turned their music down, fortunately this
didn't happen.. The police told them to turn the music down and
stated that if they had to come again it could result in an arrest..
The police stopped by our apartment to ensure that the music was at an
"acceptable" level and left. Shortly after, the fellow upstairs
came down and asked us what the problem was.. He tried to tell us
that he pays X amount for rent and that he should be able to play
his music and that it wasn't very loud anyways... Like I said before,
I'm an easy going likeable kind of guy BUT, I let him have it. I
told him that I pay the same amount for rent and shouldn't be subjected
to his music and I stated furthermore that if he wanted to BLAST
his music he would just have to shell out the monies and either
rent or buy a house..
Since that nite we have had no music problems.. Now if we could
only teach them how to walk other than like an elephant we would
be alright... ;').. I'd say the best solution is to save for your
own home. We are hoping to buy one this year..
Brian who's_sorry_he's_so_long_winded...
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| 660.4 | You Did Well | BPOV04::BENCH | | Mon Jan 23 1989 16:01 | 9 |
| You handled the situation well. Most situations can be relieved
with a simple and polite request. But if that fails, you really
have no other option but to call security. I think your neighbors
are being unreasonable. If the problem persists, I would again
use the one-on-one approach, and after that I'd revert to calling
your security office.
Claude A. Bench
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| 660.5 | I want a house too! | WMOIS::E_FINKELSEN | Set def [.friday_pm] | Mon Jan 23 1989 17:43 | 24 |
| I don't know which situation is easier to handle, yours or mine. I lived in an
apartment complex. The lady who lived above us was (in her own words), 100%
deaf in one ear and 70% deaf in the other. She was a petite, 83 year old woman
who walked like an elephant and always had her tv on so loud that we never had
to look in the tv guide to see what was on. One good point...we watched many of
the same shows so when I heard the opening theme, I would get up and turn on my
tv (mostly for the picture :) ). The hard part was, she was so nice, you felt
like a total jerk telling this sweet old lady (who could be your grandma) to
turn down her tv. She would get sooo apologetic and then do it again. She
actually needed it that loud to hear. Most times it didn't bother us, but she
didn't work so she would be up at all hours of the night either with the tv on
loud or with her elephant feet, pacing, pacing, pacing......
We also had a couple once who were "going at it" LOUDLY in the brightly lit pool
in the courtyard at 2:30 (during the work week!). After a half hour of constant
"noise" I went out and asked them to continue in their own apartment, if they
would be so kind. As I was re-entering the apartment building I could hear the
people in the apartment above walking away from the window :) (I guess I ruined
their party too!)
Good luck...I can sympathize. Apartment living isn't humane!
Ln
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| 660.6 | How do you deal with this? | SSDEVO::NGUYEN | | Mon Jan 23 1989 18:50 | 18 |
| re. all
I had the opposite problem. I am working on my Music degree in
classical music, and therefore I have to practice my piano everyday
Before I signed up for the lease, I told my landlord my situation
and we agreed together that I would have to stop playing at 10:00
p.m., and I had to move in the basement since the piano is too heavy
for the second or third floor.
The agreement went well for three years, no neighbours complained
about my practicing at all. Until one older bachelor (most of the
tenants in that appartement are very old) moved in the appartement
right above me, and they changed the manager. He started pounding
on his floor and complained all the time. He even spreaded false
accusation about me to other tenants. The new manager sided with
him and sent me nasty letters. Eventhough I had supports from all
other tenants, but I still had to move out. They charged me for
breaking the lease. As you see, even with an agreement, those
landlords are very greedy sometimes.
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| 660.8 | it can really ruin a party....fast!! | SSDEVO::GALLUP | Mastering the Moguls! | Tue Jan 24 1989 03:48 | 9 |
|
RE: Mike Z
Yikes....I've done that...was I really that mean as a child?
It definately was handy having that ham radio around, that's
for sure! Friends and I always used to do that to people who
had a party and did their best to NOT invite us....
k
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| 660.9 | Breaker 1-9.... | ANT::CHARRON | | Tue Jan 24 1989 12:08 | 8 |
|
re: last two
Actually, you don't don't need a HAM radio. A Citizen's Band radio
will suffice and is less expensive.. I'm still thinking about doing
it to our neighbors... ;')
Brian
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| 660.10 | Get it in writing | AKOV13::FULTZ | ED FULTZ | Tue Jan 24 1989 12:48 | 9 |
| About the reply who was practicing his piano. I think that shows
why it is so necessary to get any unusual arrangements in writing.
Had you had your piano agreement in writing, you would not have
been able to be hassled by the new tenant or the new manager.
Sometimes we are too trusting.
Ed..
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| 660.11 | Seems funny now! | ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI | just a revolutionary with a pseudonym | Tue Jan 24 1989 12:50 | 68 |
|
I believe .0 did the right thing...
I can attest to my being of the, er, "undesirable" neighbor type when
it comes to being noisy. AH, the stories I can remember about my
Boxboro apt...Fortunately for all_others, I've moved into a house
with some actual space betwixt it and the next one...
I lived in the 2nd floor, sorta in between everyone. I got whatever
the downstairs had to offer and whatever the upstairs apt had to
offer too. But I had very effective counter measures - I owned a
drum set, guitar amp, bass amp and 100 wpc stereo :') Still, I didnt
play games with people, I'd *talk* to them if I found their noise
levels to be disturbing.
There was the time, oh about 7 years ago when my old roomate and I
jammed using electric instruments to an Allman Bros tune right after
work. The people who moved in below the weekend before moved out the
very next week - without a word said to me...
There was the time when we had the whole band going in my spare
bedroom (It was a two bedroom apt) The guy upstairs, a quite amiable
fellow, asked us to tone it down some, as we were knocking the cups and
saucers off his shelves...
The guy living one floor down but kiddy corner to my place also
had a drum set. He worked the 2nd shift and enjoyed listening
to his stereo at 11:00 am when he "got home from work". He had 100
wpc and those big Radio Shack 15" spkrs. The poor people above him.
He was much less amiable than I was...
There was the time when I had two acoustic drumsets set up in
my living room, with two drummers, when we jammed this one Saturday
night with them and good 'ole me on electric guitar. I couldnt believe
that we actually played past 11:00 pm without a single knock at the
door, let alone a visit from the local police!
Most of my neighbors either said nothing, or spoke to me directly,
even when exposed to the most ridiculous conditions, such as a drumset
being played. Whenever anyone did complain, I respected their
perceptions and compromised, even if it meant ceasing the activity.
I suspect that's the reason why I "got away with" what I did, when
it came to *me* being noisy sometimes :') There are just some things
that you must accept in "compartment" life, I guess. You can either
choose to give and take some, or to be completely obstinate with
regard to others living in "virtually" the same space. People respond
better to the "give and take" way of relating, from my experience.
I cant believe the price they want for these places that have
the "bass" problem mentioned in .0! $180K, and you cannot find a
single room or corner where the neighbor's bass guitar cannot be
heard loud enough to keep you awake. I assume that it's assumed
that people are willing to accept having to deal with this possibility
even regarding the expendature of that amount of cash "for a place".
<expletive deleted>!
Joe Jas
PS: Then there was the time when these guys were moving out of the
apt below, and were playing their car radio loud enough to keep
us awake that morning. My roomate said "I wish I could block out
that sound" to wit I replied "You can...remember that single transistor
FM mike kit you put together?" So we fired it up and tuned it to
the station the guy was listening to, and, dead silence. We followed
him around the FM band with it until he gave up, thinking something
was wrong with his radio. We, on the other hand, just couldnt seem
to let go of what seemed so funny!
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| 660.12 | Careful not to annoy the 'innocent' neighbors! ;-) | LDYBUG::GOLDMAN | Are Noters terminally addicted? ;-) | Tue Jan 24 1989 15:47 | 11 |
| Re: The ham/cb radios...
That reminds me of when I was living at home with my parents.
There was a guy down the hill from us who was a ham radio operator.
He had a very large antenna in his backyard (which was below our house
- the street was U-shaped up a hill). Sometimes when he was
broadcasting, I'd 'hear' voices coming out of my stereo speakers....
and the stereo was OFF!! I'd also hear him on my phone line when I
was talking on the phone. Talk about annoying.... ;-)
AbG
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| 660.13 | boy does this hit home! | VIDEO::MORRISSEY | When the children cry... | Tue Jan 24 1989 19:19 | 29 |
|
I didn't even read all the replies to this note because
this one hit so close to home I had to write while the
thoughts were in my head.
My fiance and I live in an apartment. It's in and duplex
that's been converted into 4 apartments. Well the 'people'
(and I use the term loosely) upstairs from us are unbelievable!!
Since we've moved in we've had nothing but problems. The husband
is a bigot and 70% of the time when we're home all Cary and I do
is listen to them scream at their children. Every other word out
of this guy's mouth is a cuss word. They've even locked the little
girl outside of the apartment once. (we plan on moving soon and
then will probably call the police once we're away from them and
they can't find us) We haven't had a peaceful meal since we
moved in. All we hear is crashing and banging and more yelling.
Not to mention that this guy goes through about 5 cases of beer
a week!! (I see it when it's left out for the trash!) Plus
I had a confrontation with him last week where he yelled at me
and practically threatened me. I've told our landlord we're
thinking of moving soon and why. I am afraid of this guy
upstairs.
So I know how you feel about unruly neighbors. The sooner I get
away from these folks the happier I'll be.
JJ
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| 660.14 | some folks are rational... | WAYLAY::GORDON | The shimmer of distance... | Tue Jan 24 1989 20:16 | 24 |
| Hi Sharon,
4 days after I moved into my house in Waltham, my roommate and
I called the police on our next door neighbors. We've had no trouble
since (over 3 years). The incident was a shouting match between
one of the sons and his girfriend, and his father on the front lawn
at 10:00 pm.
The girlfirend was yelling at the son and honking her car horn.
The son was yelling at her. The father was yelling at both of them.
The police arrived promptly (so far, I've had a all good experiences
with the Waltham police), and the incident evaporated.
When I lived in a townhouse in Norwood (end unit), we had neighbors
that spent most of their time either making love (loudly) or fighting.
I can remember coming out my front door one evening to find her
at the front door, pounding and screaming "Charlie, you a**hole!
Let me in!" The did seem to keep most of the noise to civilized
hours, and I moved a couple of months later. We never complained
that I know of, but then, we had a piano. [Outside wall, and we
got it writen into the lease.]
--Doug
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| 660.15 | | NSSG::FEINSMITH | I'm the NRA | Wed Jan 25 1989 14:05 | 8 |
| For electronic countermeasures on a too loud stereo (FM) or TV,
an alignment-sweep generator (with a home made antenna attached
to the outputs), will block out almost anything! Its also fun because
you can wipe out the TV picture, but the sound would still be there,
or visa-versa (the joys of hitting only 1 portion of a 6 MHz
bandwidth).
Eric
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| 660.16 | Pay backs are a ????? | BSS::DSMITH | | Wed Jan 25 1989 20:23 | 19 |
| Hi Sharon,
i had the same problem at one time.
I had 3 Air Force persons living upstaires from me and got the
same bass noise in my apartment, i also tried talking to them and
suggested they get their speakers off the floor so i wouldn't be
up complaining. No good.
I broke them of the habit by putting on my reel-to-reel (11 inch
reels) turned the music up and left and stayed gone all day, auto
reverse helped. I also knew they were sports fans so i did when
i knew they wanted to watch some kind of game on the tube.
Problem never happened again, also they never talked to me again,
but so what.
Dave
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| 660.17 | the neighbor everybody loves to hate | BARTLE::REDICK | the _cooler_ cats @ Bartle & Jaimes | Sat Jan 28 1989 18:32 | 18 |
|
i'm going to give everyone a chance to flame :-)
i happen to be one of those noisy neighbors. i love music,
and i love it loud. 3 siblings preceeding me taught me the
way :-)
i've read previous replies and i just wanted to say that
i'm very impressed at how people have dealt with their noisy
neighbors. if only my neighbors would deal with our situation
in an adult manner instead of acting like we're back in grade
school, they might get a little co-operation.
and i'd like to ask if it's too unreasonable to put up with a
little loud music during daytime hours once in awhile? we all
have our annoying habits here and there...
tlr
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| 660.18 | It's a two way street | MARCIE::JLAMOTTE | no rest for the wicked | Sat Jan 28 1989 22:37 | 25 |
| re .17
I am not going to flame. I am going to preach.
There are lots of things that I might like to do that I do not do
because of my living situation. I am very aware of my neighbors
and I am concerned if any of my habits (within reason) would cause
them undue discomfort.
I feel that there will be a time that I can enjoy more freedom and
that is when I buy my own home. Until that time I adjust.
I love my music also...but I don't play it loud...nor do I have
the speakers on the floor.
I pay my rent on time, keep my apartment moderately clean and do
not annoy the landlord. They have told me several times that I
am one of their favorite tenants. We had a young man in our building
that liked his music loud...I spoke to him he ignored me. I gave
my notice and my reason for leaving. It seems that in addition
to not caring about my comfort he was annoying other neighbors.
He was given an eviction notice the week after I said I was leaving.
My advice is decide what is important to you. If loud music is
that important then accept the consequences that might occur.
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| 660.19 | Damage your own hearing, not your neighbor's | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Sat Jan 28 1989 23:10 | 3 |
| Loud music is what headphones were invented for... :-)
Steve
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| 660.21 | | NSSG::FEINSMITH | I'm the NRA | Mon Jan 30 1989 13:23 | 11 |
| Not everyone works 9-5!! Over the years, I've worked all three shifts,
so there have been times when I got home from work at 9AM and went
to sleep. Daytime, some people are home and trying to rest. If you
play your music loud enough to disturb others, you're the problem!
As was said previously, if you want to blast 200 watts, get your
own place (I hear you can get 40 acres FREE if you are willing to
build on it and live there for 10 years..........in International
Falls, Minn. It might be cold, but the only person you'll disturb
are bears).
Eric
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| 660.22 | | HANDY::MALLETT | Abolish network partner abortions | Mon Jan 30 1989 14:03 | 61 |
| 660.23 | | WSE159::HOLT | Robert Holt UCS4,415-691-4750 | Tue Jan 31 1989 21:37 | 3 |
|
Get an airhorn and blast 'em!
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| 660.24 | This is just like the smoking issue | MCIS2::AKINS | Now close your iddy-biddy eyes... | Tue Jan 31 1989 23:49 | 39 |
| re:.17
I agree, some music is meant to be loud!! I can't really enjoy
Van Halen with out massive dessibles.
re:.19
Headphones damage the ears even at normal levels, and If loud music
coming from next store is actually damaging your ears maybe you
should see a doctor.
re:.20
Minor Flame: Look who is talking about the *me* generation. You
may like the silence but to some people silence is deafining.
Question: Do you smoke?
Re: .2? (I forgot the number)
A nice secluded place is a great place to get the quiet you need.
You can go there to not listen to the music probably easier than
I could lug the stereo around (and where would I plug it in?)
I think this should be handled like it was in the dorms in college.
Music is fine to play as loud as you want but, if someone complains
then turn it down. Sometimes I could hear the music from the dorm
in the classroom which is across a river and a highway, but if someone
asked then turn it down. The only thing is that you can't constantly
ask. If everytime they start playing it loud you ask them to turn
it down, they will not listen to 'ya anymore. Some of the times
you have to respect their right to listen to what they want to,
if it really bothers you, go out and come back after a while, and
then ask.
Bill
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| 660.25 | | HPSTEK::XIA | | Wed Feb 01 1989 01:18 | 9 |
| re .24:
> Headphones damage the ears even at normal levels....
This makes me worried. I do not play my music loud, but I do own
a walkman, and listen to my music regularly with it. If the above
claim is indeed true, I would get rid of my walkman. Could someone
substantiate/refute the above claim?
Eugene
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| 660.26 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Wed Feb 01 1989 10:55 | 11 |
| I think a discussion of headphones properly belongs in DSSDEV::AUDIO,
but nothing I have read about hearing loss from loud music ever
suggests such a thing. The problem with headphones is that it is
easy to turn the volume up to damaging levels, but properly used,
they provide full fidelity without irritating others.
Personally, I've never understood why some people insist on shaking
the paint off the walls with loud music. If it's played that loud,
it ceases to be music and just becomes noise.
Steve
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| 660.27 | The beat goes on.. | PARITY::DDAVIS | THINK SUNSHINE | Wed Feb 01 1989 12:10 | 10 |
| I have to agree with Steve, -1.
I really have a hard time with noise, loud music, TVs, etc. It makes
me disoriented and literally gives me the shakes, anxiety. It's awful.
Sometimes I wish I was deaf. The low/bass decibels really get to me.
And it's very hard to explain all of that to my noisy neighbors.
Luckily, the neighbors in my condo are very quiet people.
-Dotti.
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| 660.28 | | WMOIS::E_FINKELSEN | Set def [.friday_pm] | Wed Feb 01 1989 18:15 | 49 |
| > re:.20
>
> Minor Flame: Look who is talking about the *me* generation. You
> may like the silence but to some people silence is deafining.
>
> Question: Do you smoke?
If you like to play your music loudly, the only person that bennifits from that
is you. While others may like loud music, they may have different tastes in
music. Therefore, you are not making anyone but yourself happy. That is the
"Me" generation. More people can bennifit from quiet because they can then hear
their own music at a decent level.
I hate being forced to listen to someone else's taste in music. If they want to
listen, fine, but don't make all of us have to listen.
> I think this should be handled like it was in the dorms in college.
> Music is fine to play as loud as you want but, if someone complains
> then turn it down. Sometimes I could hear the music from the dorm
> in the classroom which is across a river and a highway, but if someone
> asked then turn it down. The only thing is that you can't constantly
> ask. If everytime they start playing it loud you ask them to turn
> it down, they will not listen to 'ya anymore. Some of the times
> you have to respect their right to listen to what they want to,
> if it really bothers you, go out and come back after a while, and
> then ask.
If everyone played their music loudly until someone told them to be quiet, you
could spend your whole evening going from door to door. Not only that, it's a
very uncomfortable feeling knocking on the door of someone who you don't know
very well (or not at all) and asking them to turn down their music. You don't
know who lives on the other side of the door. It could be some jerk that would
rather punch you out than listen to your complaint.
Another thing I don't care for is someone saying, "I listen to my music loudly
every night, but I always quiet down when they come and ask me to." Why should
they have to ask you every night at 10:00 to turn your music down? You should
know after the first time that playing your music loudly at 10:00 will bother
someone. Why do you have to be told every time? My sister's neighbor used to
come home late at night and blast his stereo. Sure he would turn it down when
they called. But by then, her two children (under the age of 3) were up and
crying and it would take hours to get them back to sleep. Loud noises are a
scary thing to wake up to when you are a baby.
I'm glad I'm out of a complex. I now live in a two family where I only have one
set of neighbors and so far they have been quiet.
I like music too, but because everyone has their own taste I don't listen to it
loudly unless I'm in my car. I'm just asking for the same consideration.
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| 660.29 | Big Foot Is Alive And Well... | OASS::HEARNS | Henry | Thu Feb 02 1989 19:58 | 21 |
|
News Flash!
BIG FOOT IS NOT A MYTH!
BIG FOOT IS ALIVE AND WELL AND LIVING RIGHT ABOVE ME!
I know exactly what .0 is saying. I leave every morning at
7:30am and don't return until 1:00am in the morning. When I finally
fall into bed Big Foot starts making the rounds upstairs. I swear
they are going to come through the floor one morning. Then they
start making love. I can imagine from all the noise it's not a
pretty sight. I have tried humidifiers (3) going all at the same
time, couple that with the radio. Nothing helps! Now it looks
as if youth gangs are moving into the neighborhood. Definitely
time for a change in scenery.
Henry
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| 660.30 | IRDEV::HEAVY_METAL | MCIS2::AKINS | Now close your iddy-biddy eyes... | Sat Feb 04 1989 02:55 | 25 |
| re: .28
I have an entire Notes Conference that would say that they would
benifit from loud music. If I was to have a few of them over and
we listened to our music loudly wouldn't that make you the one to
be the *me* generation. 10 of us are benifiting and if we turn
it down only 1 of you are benifiting. Using you're own logic, you
are just as guilty, it just depends on you point of view.
As for the Dorm life. You have to have some standardsto go by.
You don't play the stereo at late hours in the night. People do
sleep. As in the Dorms, there are rules. There are local
ordanences which were designed to take care of inconsiderate people.
All I'm trying to say is it's up to everyone to be considerate of
the people around them. I felt that this note was getting one sided
against people who like their music LOUD. Let's not forget that
everyone has the same rights. If you make resonable requests and
sit down and talk you're differences out them I'm sure you can reach
a happy compromise.
Bill
(as for LOUD music being NOISE, it's all a matter of opinion.)
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| 660.31 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Sat Feb 04 1989 15:33 | 14 |
| Re: .30
As far as "rights" go, I always go by the maxim that says "Your right
to swing your fist ends at my nose." I believe that if you are in
a situation where others are likely to be disturbed by your activity,
then you have an obligation to reduce the impact. The behavior you
describe is, in my view, inconsiderate, no matter how many
hearing-impaired rockers you have partying in your apartment.
Both Audio and Stereo Review magazines have had detailed articles on
the effects of loud sounds on hearing in recent months. Either one
is well worth reading.
Steve
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| 660.32 | Midasize it ! | MERLAN::GAGER | Swap read error-lost my mind | Mon Feb 06 1989 09:21 | 12 |
| Speaking of neighbors, do the rules change for people that are
in single-family homes ? Since homeowners own the property, do
they have more rights when it comes to making noise then the
apartment dwellers ?
The reason I'm asking is because my neighbors have a skimobile
and they ride it around the neighborhood, occasionally cutting
through my property, generally causing a bit of agrivation (sp?)
by the noise it makes and by the safety hazard involved when
they go down the street. The point being that I'll be labeled
a a**hole if I complain. Any thoughts on the subject ???
-Jeff
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| 660.33 | It is called trespassing | MARCIE::JLAMOTTE | no rest for the wicked | Mon Feb 06 1989 09:38 | 6 |
| Years ago, before leash laws a constant aggravation between neighbors
was dogs. It seemed that dogs always did their duty in a neighbors
yard. Leash laws in part recognized the homeowners rights to their
property. In the case of skimobiles I would suspect that you would
have to have your property posted so that the neighbor would know
in fact that he was trespassing.
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| 660.34 | vroooommmmmm! | DEMING::GARDNER | justme....jacqui | Mon Feb 06 1989 15:41 | 10 |
| RE: .32
If you live in Massachusetts, there is a law that prohibits the
use of GAS POWERED items on private property without the express
permission of the owner. You might want to research this with
your local authorities.
Good luck .... hope this helps!
justme....jacqui
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| 660.35 | Skimobiles | WMOIS::B_REINKE | If you are a dreamer, come in.. | Mon Feb 06 1989 16:38 | 12 |
| re .32
We had problesm with skimobiles when e lived in Stow Mass. At
the time we found that a ski mobile cannot be legally operated
within some distance (20 or 30 feet) of a dwelling.
This was published in a newpaper we read at the time. HOwever,
I suspect that your local police force may know what the exact
regulation is.
Bonnie
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| 660.36 | many different "me too's" | SALEM::SAWYER | Alien. On MY planet we reason! | Mon Feb 06 1989 19:17 | 34 |
|
re: 20
me generation....
odd...have trouble with this one...
most of the people who use the term "me generation", in it's
properly negative what-a-jerk-you-are indication...
seem to be....me generation people!
kindly fill me in on what i'm missing if you care to but....
the old fart with 3 houses and 5 cars and lots of cash who
doesn't do a thing for any charity....looks at younger people
who don't want to follow the rules or want to live a different
life style or...turn their stereo up....and calls them...
"the me generation"....
see my confusion?
they BOTH sound like "me generation" people.....
though i agree that turning one's stereo up so that other's
are forced to hear it is rude...
it semes that getting all the money/power/wealth that you can
at the expense of others is even more rude...
"i'm sorry you must live in poverty but i need 5 vacation
homes!!!!"
but...i'm sure many people in here can fill me in as to where
i missed the boat...what i don't understand....why they are 2
totally opposite points...
i wait in anticipation of my education....:-)
rik
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| 660.37 | | RETORT::RON | | Mon Feb 06 1989 21:32 | 45 |
|
RE: .36
It seems to me you have the horse buried deep under the cart. The
"old fart with 3 houses and 5 cars and lots of cash who doesn't do a
thing for any charity..." is safely ensconced in one of his houses,
far from anyone's turned up stereo. He has nothing to do with this
discussion.
We all have the right to be protected from aggravations caused by
others. You may apply the term "me generation" to any one you like.
The person who is inconsiderate enough to blast his neighbors with
his stereo is a "me" person. How easy to call the neighbors, who
refuse to accept such harassment, "me" people, too. After all, the
problem would not persist if they agreed to take the harassment
quietly.
How well off the neighbors are has nothing to do with the case.
Unless, of course, you feel that anyone who's done financially well
should be automatically punished with a blasting stereo held close
to their ears.
> looks at younger people who don't want to follow the rules
> or want to live a different life style
This topic has to do with the rules of human decency. However, age
has nothing to do with the case and life styles have nothing to do
with the case. Why cloud the issues?
Also, the stereotyping of 'Old fart' vs. the 'younger people' does
you no honor. By the same token, you could have chosen the
complaining neighbors to be blacks. Or Jews. Or women. Or any
farting ethnic group you deem yourself superior to.
> but...i'm sure many people in here can fill me in as to where
> i missed the boat...what i don't understand....why they are 2
> totally opposite points...
Sorry. If you can't see it unassisted, I wouldn't know how to educate
you.
-- Ron
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| 660.38 | Compromise..... | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your SWARTZ is as big as mine. | Tue Feb 07 1989 02:22 | 23 |
| Let's get onething straight here....I agree that blasting a stereo
to disturb others is wrong. All I'm trying to say is that there
has to be a compromise. The person who enjoys the loud music must
play it softly, just as the person who doesn't want to hear it
loudly must every now and then. There is two ways of looking at
this. As for the swinging the fist thing. I don't agree with the
analogy. Tell me, if you see a guy swinging his fists around, do
you get close enough so that he can hit you (even by accident?).
Why can't some people open their minds and see it from both sides.
I brought up the situation of smoking before. Same argument is
here for that.
Maybe this would help....say you spend $3000.00 on a Stereo
system. Wouldn't that be a waste if you could never listen to it
the way you liked because someone was always complaining.
Bill
(P.S. I've been listening to Heavy Metal for years. I have seen
concerts that the volume would turn over small cars. I still have
perfect hearing.)
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| 660.39 | What is this? "Enough is Enough"? | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Tue Feb 07 1989 03:55 | 14 |
| Re: .38
So what are you saying - if I don't like your loud music, I should
move? I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with your notion that
I should have to put up with your overly loud music once in a while,
"just to be fair". It's not as if I moved there knowing in advance
that you liked to simulate earthquakes at home.
Or, let's put it this way. If I spent $3000 on a grenade launcher,
wouldn't it be a waste not to try it out on your apartment? I mean,
I get such a kick out of it, you should at least have the decency
to sit there and get blown up once in a while. Flawed analogy? Why?
Steve
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| 660.40 | Can I do anything about this?? | LDYBUG::GOLDMAN | One day we'll all understand... | Tue Feb 07 1989 11:11 | 14 |
| Okay, here's another neighbors and "noise" situation....
I live in a very small apartment building in a residential area.
Starting last week, someone in the house next door to me has been getting
a ride to work/school/whatever. When their ride arrives at 5:50 AM, they
blow the horn, which always wakes me up, since it's right outside my window
as well! Do I have any right to ask the neighbor *not* to have his/her ride
blow the horn that early in the morning, or am I doomed to be woken up at
this ungodly [ :-) ] hour of the morning as long as this person is carpooling??
Yawn....
Amy (who doesn't necessarily like or need to get up quite that early!)
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| 660.41 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Tue Feb 07 1989 11:34 | 9 |
| Re: .40
Hey, another use for that grenade launcher... :-)
Absolutely, you have the right to ask your neighbor to tell their
friend not to blow their horn. They probably haven't thought about
it.
Steve
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| 660.42 | Consideration.. | PARITY::DDAVIS | Long-cool woman in a black dress | Tue Feb 07 1989 12:39 | 13 |
| I think all it takes is a little CONSIDERATION of your fellow human
bieng. I for one cannot tolerate loud noise.
Also I can't understand why someone can't turn down the volume if they
know it annoys me. If my neighbors were disturbed by my loud noise, I
would certainly make an effort to make less noise. After all, we
should really try to live in peace and harmony, why make people
miserable? What's the big deal about turning down the volume?
And thank you to QUARK::LIONEL, I might someday want to borrow that
rocket launcher.
-Dotti.
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| 660.43 | BEEP BEEP | WMOIS::E_FINKELSEN | Set def [.friday_pm] | Tue Feb 07 1989 14:27 | 28 |
| I know what you mean about the horn. We had a mostly deaf lady living above us
and her ride would drive up and beep the horn for her! She was deaf for crying
out loud! The woman upstairs knew she was there because she watched for her,
not because she heard the beep. So one day, I politely went out and said to the
driver, "Hi. The woman upstairs watches for you every day (I know because I can
hear her walking to and from the window) and she knows when you are here before
you even get a chance to beep your horn. Could you not beep the horn unless she
doesn't come out right away?" Her reply, "Don't be so sensitive!" BEEP BEEP
ugh!
We have since moved to Lowell, so you can imagine, that one beep would be no big
deal compared to what we have now.
We have people who live across the street whose friends must have some sort of
fetish for horns. They have literally, (and I know you won't believe this!)
beeped the horn (like morse code) for a solid 2 minutes at a time. 2 minutes
isn't long when your waiting for leftovers to heat in a microwave, but it is an
extremely long time to have to listen to the horn blower. Usually the person
isn't even home!
Then you have your cab drivers that have to beep to let the person know their
there.
It doesn't matter where you go...my sister-in-law was complaining that
woodpeckers can be annoying early in the morning, too (she lives out in the
woods with practically no neighbors). Maybe a padded sound proof cell....sounds
tempting.....(just for sleeping...really!)
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| 660.44 | | HANDY::MALLETT | Barking Spider Industries | Tue Feb 07 1989 14:46 | 11 |
| re: several
I notice a good deal of talk about "rights" that we allegedly have.
I believe one does have the right to ask someone to pipe down,
but, in most towns during certain hours (per municipal ordinances
governing disturbing the peace), the person asked also has
the right to decline the request. I agree that consideration and
compromise need to be two parts of the solution and I personally
feel that the noise-maker should bear a bit more of the responsibility.
Steve
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| 660.45 | Amy, look at the BRIGHT side.... | BUSY::KLEINBERGER | Disic Vita Lux Hominum | Wed Feb 08 1989 14:03 | 12 |
| Re: .40
Hey Amy.... Look at the horn beeping as a gift from God, get up,
do some aerobics, ride an exercise bike, play the piano, read a
book, take a long hot bubble bath before going into work, make
something for the crock pot for dinner, knit a sweater... see,
then the horn beeping won't bother you, you'll actually miss it
when it stops.....
Gale
PS :-)
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| 660.46 | | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your Schwartz is as big as mine! | Thu Feb 09 1989 00:16 | 15 |
| re: .44
Finally, someone sees it my way. I agree, the Loud person should
have the brunt of the responsability to keep the compromise. After
all most people would want it that way. I keep my music down most
of the time, but every now and then I crank it way up. It is usually
when I have something to celebrate. The big thing that bugs me
when I do get complaints is how they "ask" to turn it down. "Please
shut that NOISE off." Hey, hold on now.....this is not NOISE to
me, so please keep your opinions until I ask for them. I never
get complaints when I crank Beethovan's 9th, only when I listen
to Heavy Metal. It makes me wonder if it's the VOLUME or the content.
BTW gernade launchers do a helluva lot more damage than a loud stereo.
not a good analogy.....
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| 660.47 | If it's loud enough, any sound becomes noise | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | | Thu Feb 09 1989 16:14 | 11 |
| re .46
If you play it loud enough, neighbors will ask you to turn down your
classical music, too - one of my friends had just purchased new
expen$ive $peaker$, and decided to see if they could take the full
output of his (al$o-expen$ive) amp, playing th 1812 Overture - he got
complaints from people in the *next apartment building over*, as well
as the folks in his building. (Luckily he does not usually like his
music at deafening volume, and is usually more considerate.)
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| 660.48 | Sounds like a legal problem to me ... | MAMIE::EARLY | Bob_the_Hiker | Fri Feb 10 1989 11:18 | 12 |
| re: .0
Briefly, I would say you have a "legal" problem on your hands. If the
lease stipulates that all lessors should be so quiet as not to be
bother to thier neighbors, and the lessee is unwilling to enforce that
upon your neighbor; then the landlord has violated his contract with
you,and you are entitled to enough damages to secure another domicile.
It is clear that the neighbors "should" be evicted for lease violation.
What could be simpler ?
Bob E.
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| 660.49 | | HANDY::MALLETT | Barking Spider Industries | Fri Feb 10 1989 13:00 | 28 |
| 660.50 | Ya gotta think of the person next door | DEBIT::BNELSON | If it feels nice don't think twice | Fri Feb 10 1989 15:54 | 32 |
|
Good topic!
I remember a couple years ago, about a month after I'd just moved into my
condo. These guys moved into the condo across the hall from me. They had
parties *every* weekend, and sometimes during the week too. I can remember
coming home, and seeing so many empty beer case boxes that I couldn't see
into their living room (not that I was looking, but a sight like that kinda
stands out!). One party got especially rowdy; that whole end of my building
was shaking with the noise (at *that* level that's all it is), and with my
TV on at a normal level I couldn't hear it. Turning it up fairly loud, I
could tell there was sound coming out but couldn't pick up enough to tell
what was going on (and I have very good hearing). In frustration, I put on
the headphones and listened to the output through my stereo.
Owning a condo means you have more say, and after about a month of this I
wrote a letter to the association expressing my displeasure. I'm sure others
must have too. It was so bad, I didn't want to go to my *own* place, and
I wasn't getting much sleep (even when they weren't partying they were still
loud). Not much later, they were outta there (I'm sure they were renting).
I have some folks upstairs from me who walk kinda loud sometimes, and who
fight occasionally (verbal fights), but for the most part it's tolerable.
I can't wait to own something detached tho! ;-) (<Sigh>... Someday.)
Being a fairly quiet person (although some might differ ;-) ), I believe in
quiet peaceful co-existence. I think everyone has the right to do absolutely
anything they want -- up until it affects someone else.
Brian
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| 660.51 | The next time? and the next... | TLE::KRUGER | Sharon Kruger | Fri Feb 10 1989 16:00 | 27 |
| RE: Enforcing the lease
Ok, so we've called security once already, to get them to talk to the
people downstairs about the level of their music. We've tolerated it
since, but the next time that we just don't want to have to tolerate
it, are we obligated to ask them ourselves first? Frankly, the way
the woman from downstairs verbally assaulted my fiance the last time,
I am in no way inclined to give her/them the courtesy of asking them
nicely ever again! (I personally am a very considerate person, but
people who don't reciprocate, and are blatantly INconsiderate really
tick me off!)
Let's say we complained enough that the landlord decided to evict the
people downstairs. (Not my preferred action, because even though they
can be a pain in the a**, I hate to inconvenience people) I presume
that the tenants would become very hostile. Even though they already
told us that they intend to leave when their lease is up (September),
finding a new apartment on short notice is not easy. If this were to
happen, I fear that they would become destructive towards our property,
namely our cars since they are the only readily accessible item. And
of course, proving the identity of a vandal is not easy!
But then again, perhaps they'd be just as easy for the "easy out" from
their lease...
--Sharon (who suffers from being too NICE at times!)
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| 660.52 | | HANDY::MALLETT | Barking Spider Industries | Fri Feb 10 1989 18:38 | 15 |
| re: .51
No, Sharon, I don't think you are (or ever were) obligated to
speak to them yourselves (especially in the legal sense of
obligation). In fact, depending on local noise ordinances,
you may have the option of calling in the police as well. I
think you've hit on the core of the problem, though: is the
process of dealing with them more hassle than it's worth (e.g.
the risk to the cars may be real, verbal hassles, etc.)?
One thing I'm curious about: when (days, times) are the neighbors
blasting the stereo?
Steve
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| 660.53 | This is what I would like, if I was in their shoes... | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your Schwartz is as big as mine! | Sun Feb 12 1989 16:53 | 8 |
| Try calling them. They Have to turn down the Stereo to hear/answer
the phone. Ask them to keep it down, and hint at calling security.
If they start badgering you over the phone or continue to be loud
then hang up abruptly and call security. If this happens enough
they will learn how to respect your wishes. They may not like you
but who needs people that are inconciderate.
Bill
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| 660.54 | | SCRUFF::CONLIFFE | Better living through software | Sun Feb 12 1989 19:09 | 16 |
| Consideration is a two-way street. The ideal situation involves a compromise
between the two sides, for the people who _insist_ on their right of silence
are being just as inconsiderate as the people who _insist_ on their right to
play a stereo system at the decibel level of an F15 on takeoff roll.
In both cases, someone is placing their preferences above that of the
neighbours. I don't think either side has a moral right to their position.
So go talk, but from a position of negotiation not demand. Say things like
"If you play your stereo quietly during this time, I won't object
if you play it loud at this time"
Offer a quid pro quo, rather than just threatening.
Just a thought
Nigel
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| 660.55 | My rights are mine | AKOV13::FULTZ | ED FULTZ | Mon Feb 13 1989 14:29 | 21 |
| No way. I don't believe I have an obligation to have to listen
to someone else's music AT ANY TIME. As someone once stated, your
rights end when they infringe on my rights. The people have the
right to listen to loud music all they want, until it disturbs me.
Then, their right has ended. If they insist on playing loud music,
then let them soundproof their apartment. As long as I don't have
to hear it, then I don't care.
Flame on
I get really angry when people try to tell me that I HAVE TO TOLERAT
someone else's behavior or I will seem like some jerk. If I have
to be a jerk to have the peace that I desire, then I will. Thank
goodness, I own a house, and no longer have to put up with the b*llsh*t
that goes along with apartment living (and a condo is nothing more
than an apartment).
Flame off
Ed..
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| 660.56 | Simply put... | HOTJOB::GROUNDS | Chronological liar | Tue Feb 14 1989 00:48 | 8 |
|
... it is all just a matter of maturity!!!
rng
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| 660.57 | And My rights are mine... | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your Schwartz is as big as mine! | Tue Feb 14 1989 00:54 | 19 |
| Flame On....
If you want the quiet why don't you soundproof your apartment!!!
Flame off....
Hey all I'm trying to get across is that this is a two way street.
The air is just as much mine as it belongs to the next guy. If
on every now and then I want to shake those Molecules and cause
them to make sound then I will. Let's say I was a professional
musician. I had to practice to keep the edge. Every time I try
to practice in my home I get a complaint from one neighbor. Hell
this is my job. I have to do it..... No you insisting on my being
quiet is infringing on my rights.
Would you go tell a construction crew to please turn down their
Jack Hammer if it bothered you?
Why can't people compromise? Are we all that narrow minded...?
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| 660.58 | maturity | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your Schwartz is as big as mine! | Tue Feb 14 1989 00:58 | 4 |
| As for maturity, I agree.....on both sides there has to be
maturity....
Bill
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| 660.59 | 8^( | SSDEVO::GALLUP | It's a terminal drama... | Tue Feb 14 1989 01:13 | 7 |
|
> Why can't people compromise? Are we all that narrow minded...?
Another prime example of my "Numero Uno" (684?) note....yes, Bill, people are
narrowminded. People think of themselves first....plain and simple...
k
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| 660.60 | these are MY molecules, thank you! | YODA::BARANSKI | Wit & Wisdom in 25 letters or less | Tue Feb 14 1989 14:25 | 19 |
| "The air is just as much mine as it belongs to the next guy. If on every now
and then I want to shake those Molecules and cause them to make sound then I
will."
The air in YOUR apartment may be yours, but the air in MY apartment is MINE.
And I have a right to insist that you stop shaking it.
Simply put, quiet (or a reasonable approximation thereof) is the natural state
of things. Noise is not, it has to be generated. It is your ACTION (making
noise) which is distrubing me. It is not my action (I don't 'make' the silence,
it's already there) that disturbs you.
Also, one person making noise can disturb a number of other people. It is much
simpler to cure the problem at the source, then expect all the people you
disturb to soundproof their apartment or whatever.
Jim.
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| 660.61 | | AKOV13::FULTZ | ED FULTZ | Tue Feb 14 1989 17:54 | 26 |
| And I don't believe that expecting a reasonable amount of quiet
is looking out only for number one as has been insisted here and
in another note. It could just as easily be argued that the noise
maker is looking out for number one with no consideration for others.
I agree that maturity is needed, but I also think that people have
to recognize that they don't live in a house. A small amount of
noise is unavoidable. For example, walking in the apartment above
you, sex, etc. However excessive noise is unfair and avoidable.
For example, yelling and shouting, loud music, loud tv, loud parties,
etc.
I still insist that if a person knows they HAVE TO make a certain
amount of "noise" then they should take precautions not to bother
other tenants. Thus, the professional musician should make every
effort to avoid bother others. This might involve practicing at
the concert hall, soundproofing a room in the apartment specifically
for practicing in, turning the volume way down on the amplifier,
etc. It would also not hurt to speak with the neighbors and try
to find the least objectionable hours for practicing.
Apartment living is not the same as living in a house, and nothing
can be done to change that (except buying a house).
Ed..
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| 660.62 | Hey! keep my molecules out of this.... | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your Schwartz is as big as mine! | Wed Feb 15 1989 01:37 | 28 |
| Actually Quiet is not the natural state of things, unless you are
talking about a total vacume (like space). As long as there is
air then there will be noise. Speaking of air...I realize that
your air molecules are yours and mine are mine. If your Molecules
happen to touch my Molecules and start to vibrate then you should
learn to control your molecules better......
This is getting ridiculous.....We are doing nothing but restating
the same arguments over and over again. I agree people who play
loud music all the time, no matter what time of day it is, are
obnoxious. Just as people who complain every time loud music is
played are obnoxious. All I ask is for both sides to see each other,
and try and live peacefully with one another.
Right now I have Judas Priest (A Heavy Metal band) playing at 6
on a 25 watt per channel Portable Stereo. When I was in another
computer room earlier I had it up to 8 or 9. I like loud music.
When I was in a computer room where there was no one except me I
cranked it up. When I went to a computer room with people in it
I turned it down some. It is still louder than the computers (or
I wouldn't be able to hear it.) but I'm not disturbing others.
If I was I would hope that they would tell me so I could turn it
down some more. They are tolerating it though. In return, I do
not bring the stereo in everyday. This way both people get to
do what they want while they work....If you bend a little you won't
break....
Bill
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| 660.63 | Defuse the isssues... | KYOA::HANSON | Guns don't kill-NJ insurance does | Wed Feb 15 1989 16:09 | 17 |
|
A very slight digression... Re: .62 and computer room stereos...
Bill, I keep a tape player/radio at work, and often use it to
"block" out general office or computer noise.
I use that wonderful invention called "headphones." Nobody bothers
me, I don't bother anyone. The point becomes moot. It's better,
IMHO, than wondering if the others around you *like* the music,
or if they just don't like to *complain* to you about it. Frankly,
I despise Judas Priest, but then maybe you don't like Echo and the
Bunnymen. 8^)-)
Try the 'phones and see if someone asks you to crank it up! That's
one way to be sure...
Bob
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| 660.64 | Should I bring a OUIJA board.... | MCIS2::AKINS | I C your Schwartz is as big as mine! | Wed Feb 15 1989 23:01 | 12 |
| I would use headphones if it was practical. I run from computer
to computer and I also have to monitor a phone. I can't have
headphones on because I need mobility and I need to hear the phone.
If they don't like the music and don't say anything then who do
I know not to play it. They just have to ask.....nothing to fear,
the worst thing I (or anyone else) can do is say no. I wouldn't
say no, but I'm not supposed to read minds. For all I know someone
may like to hear music while in the racket of a busy computer room.
I have been asked to turn UP some music that I listen to (such as
Led Zeppelin.).
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| 660.65 | Don't put up with It!!!!! | TYCOBB::TPSEC | Lynne ALWAYS say Dont Worry, Be Happy! | Fri Feb 17 1989 11:23 | 8 |
| Get rid of 'em, you pay enough money monthly for rent, why should
you put up with that garb from them. Go to the manager and keep
in complaining, and if the noise keeps up and bothers your other
neighbors too, you should all ban together and go to the manager.
If the complex manager sees more then one person complaining about
the same tenants...those noisy tenants are sure to be gone.
Lynne
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| 660.66 | I was a noisy kid living in an apartment | CECV05::GAMA | Do you know any new jokes? | Wed Feb 22 1989 19:38 | 10 |
|
When I was a kid, we use to live in an old apartment. We had a
wonderfull neighbors on the apartment below ours. Every time I ran
they use to call me names and once they called the police because
the sound of my steps was disturbing their peace.
Because of that I learn to respect other neighbors during day hours
and until sleeping hours. I don't want to be a "numero uno" neighbor.
I think I have to say anything else .....
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| 660.67 | be glad you are not in a condo | DNEAST::FIRTH_CATHY | owl | Thu Feb 23 1989 11:25 | 55 |
| Unfortunately we bought a condo. 6 months later a couple moved
in downstairs and played their stero SO LOUD (on the base) and even
occasionally the words them selves. The base when really loud
literally rippled the water in our 50 gallon fish tank and the couch
would vibrate so that it was hard to read and you COULDN'T listen
to tv. We spent 5 months trying to get the condo board to do
something even though they agreed that it was too loud. They said
that there were no people below them, sound (bass) does not travel
sideways, so we were the only ones affected and we would have to
take care of it on our own.
We called in the police after that about 3 times. They agreed and
had the people turn it down. Later the board would STILL not take
action because they claimed it was visiting relatives who were doing
it when they were out.
After we called the police they threatened me .... and every time
they knew I was alone they would harass. They calimed that they
had paid over $100,000 for the condo and over $1,000 for the stero
and they could do what they wanted and if we did not like it, we
could move. We checked again with the police and the individual
in charge stated, "X is a responsible business owner and I am sure
that this could not happen". I am only a poor working stiff I guess.
Finally got a lawyer to get an injunction. The 3 police calls after
the 5 months does not mean there were only 3 inclidents, only 3
times that we either were tired of retiring to the bedroom or leaving
the house. Also the fear that if we called daily that WE would
be labled cranks. The lawyer fees were well over $1000. The
injunction was violated, but the case STILL has not come up in court
after a year. We sold and moved.
We learned NEVER to buy a condo no matter what the by-laws say as
in a 25 unit condo (at least ours) the board doesn't want to be
involved unless MANY people are involved. We asked what would happen
if we bought a stereo and LARGE speakers and drowned them out what
would happen. Since then there would be people above and below,
we would have had action taken against us.
I admit our case was extreme. When we wouuld knock politely on
their door, the music would cease and the husband would deny having
the record player on and his wife would back him up. If he had
been my husband (and I was still with him) I probably would have
backed him up also as he was INCREDIBLY hostile. Now we are not
only moved, but we are out of state. I hope that your situation
has a happier ending. Unfortunately the court system is so slow
that for us to get back our legal fees could take another 2 years
from what we understandd, before the case comes to court. And,
yes, we ARE going back if/when there is a court hearing just because
a person should not have to pay out a significant portion of their
take-home pay to get decent ordinary cooperation.
Living in a group community means give and take, but there is a
limit!
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| 660.68 | <polite> noisy neighbors | TLE::KRUGER | Sharon Kruger | Fri Apr 21 1989 20:19 | 22 |
| As an update to the "noisy neighbors" problem...
Last weekend, the man of noisy household came up to our apartment to
let us know that they were going to be having a party that night, and
that they might be a little loud. For some reason, when you're
warned, it's not quite so bad -- at least you've had the opportunity
to make other plans! (Too bad we had already rent two videos :-)
And at least they were pretty much guaranteed that we wouldn't call
security/police on them.
And he was even courteous enough to invite us to the party. A nice
enough gesture...
...and yes, they were LOUD...
...but polite about it...
...and I won't mention that they set off the building's fire alarm at
2:00 in the morning because there was so much smoke in their apartment!
--Sharon
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| 660.69 | Disturbing other people with your noise is really inconsiderate | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | | Wed Apr 26 1989 15:02 | 30 |
| Ugh, that's what I hated about apartment living - at 2 AM I have been
asleep for hours; I don't need someone else's noisy, cancer-stick
consuming friends setting off the building's fire alarm!
One time when I was still living in my apartment, my (ex-)husband was
hollering at me, so I went into the bathroom and slammed the door,
because I couldn't take it anymore (he did a lot of hollering...).
From across the hall in the next apartment, comes a comment" Don't slam
the door!" Now, the bathroom was in the MIDDLE of the apartment, not
even on the wall next to the hallway, and the voice came from the apartment
on the OTHER side of the hall, not next door. It was like living in a
paper bag!
Now that I have my own place, the only time I can remember being
bothered by other people's noise was a real muggy hot night the summer
before last. We had all the windows open since it was so hot. Someone
about five houses down the street was having an incredibly noisy party
- it was LOUD at my house, and must have been ear-bursting for the
immediate neighbors. I finally shut the windows and sweltered in the
heat, but the noise was still pretty bad even then. I nearly decided
to call the cops when it got to be about 3 AM and the racket was still
going strong (I had to get up the next morning!), but they finally
quieted down on their own (or some one else called the cops), and I
managed to get some rest. Since I had to get up at 7, I didn't get
much rest, but I was afraid they were going to be at it all night, so I
was better off than than I thought I was going to be.
I think that kind of thing is really inconsiderate, and there is no
need for it.
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| 660.70 | another planet, maybe... | PH4VAX::MCBRIDE | movin' west, soon! | Wed Apr 26 1989 16:26 | 10 |
| I hated apartment living...the guy upstairs rebuilt transmissions
in his den, the lady next door was teaching kids the piano. Not
fun. I bought a house in a nice neighborhood on a major road.
The traffic noises didn't bother me. I grew up on a major road.
One of the people accross that major road and 4 or 5 houses up the
street had parties that kept me up. I just want you to imagine
how load a party must be for it to disturb someone 300 yards away.
They must have had a live band in their back yard or something.
I never found out. The next day I looked around for deaf people
with bloodshot eyes.
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| 660.71 | Wanna trade neighbors? | HICKRY::HOPKINS | Peace, Love, & Understanding | Thu Apr 27 1989 18:04 | 13 |
| It's not just apartments thought... I live in a single family (no
one else to bother me right??) and have some real "doozy" neighbors
who rent their apartments next door. It's a two family house with
2 four room apartments (4 families in it...actually I think it's all
one big scum bag family), absentee landlord, kids (7) that are like
animals (no adult supervision even though no one works) two
unregistered cars and 5 registered S**T boxes, a neglected dog,
they vandalize the neighborhood, well... you get the picture. I can't
do much because they're next door. On the occasions I have complained,
I've had to watch my car and house carefully for a few days after...
I'd welcome neighbors who were just noisy after this crew!
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