Conference quark::human_relations-v1

    Re: .0
    
    Jon, I was going to tell you that there was another Note (#585)
    in this Conference having to do with this issue, but, since you
    were the author of *that* note, I assume you're aware of it. :-)
    
    BTW, yes, I do think the Globe's policy is ridiculous.
    
    Even here, in ever-enlightened-DEC, ads for roommates posted
    on bulletin boards or through DTW, are allowed to specify what
    gender one is looking for.
    
      Alan
    

    
    I didn't know of this policy, but I think it's ridiculous!
    
    Especially considering that the Boston Glob is a Democratic/Liberal
    newspaper.

    	/prc

    I tried to see if a female could take an ad out for apartment sharing
    looking for m/f. I got the same response as you, they do not handle
    these ads 
    
          Lisa

    
    re .4
    
    Now THAT's an interesting and effective way to look at it.
    
    /prc

    Isn't cohabitation illegal in Mass.?  If so, perhaps the Globe refuses
    to accept the ads so as to avoid advertising illegal activities.

    Re: .6
    
    Jerry, I think you're missing part of the point.
    
    There are heterosexual males and females who are looking for
    roomies of their own sex, but who are not being allowed to
    do, so via the ads.
    
    I don't believe cohabitation is the issue here.
    
    (If the Globe were truly concerned about not promoting shady/illegal
    activities, they would start refusing the ads of a very large,
    unnamed, Ford dealership north of Boston.)
    
      Alan                                                              

    I agree with .7. just because i might live eith the other sex does
    not mean I am dating him. If I pay my own way and need a place to
    live, and that place is excatly or almost excztly what I need then
    why can't I live there? I am not dating, having any type of
    relationship,other than purely friendship/business. 
      now having that deal is it against the law to live with the gender
    of sex that you date??????

	Something doesn't make sense here.

	I found my current apartment by seeing an ad in the Globe saying
	something like:

		Roommate wanted, M/F

	The existing occupants were one M and one F.

	This was in August of 1988.

	If what you say of the Globe's policies are true, then why
	did I see the ad that I did.  Possibilities:

	o	You are mistaken

	o	The policy was very recently instated

	o	The policy somehow allows the ad if the sex of the
		advertiser isn't revealed

CUrious...

/Eric

    Re: .9
    
    Eric, the difference is that you indicated that *either* M or F
    was acceptable.
    
    I believe the basenote author was indicating that he wanted to 
    specify only one gender as his preference for a roomie.
    
      Alan

>    Eric, the difference is that you indicated that *either* M or F
>    was acceptable.
>    
>    I believe the basenote author was indicating that he wanted to 
>    specify only one gender as his preference for a roomie.
>    
>      Alan


Alan, I tried specifying M/F, and that's what Lisa in .3 said she
tried too. 

Re .9, Eric, 

>	o	The policy was very recently instated
>
>	o	The policy somehow allows the ad if the sex of the
>		advertiser isn't revealed

The policy might be recent. The last point is interesting, but considering
they don't allow M/F ads by either men or women, and the apartment has to
have one or more of one or the other...

A strong letter is certainly in order. I'm not volunteering just yet,
because I'm curious to see what their side of the story is before flaming
them. Anyone know anyone who works at the Globe ?
    
/ Jon 

I would suggest calling and asking to speak to someone "in charge" about
this.  
				Steve

    Re: .11
    
    >considering they don't allow M/F ads by either men or women,
    
    However, they might allow M/F ads for men *and* women -- the
    distinguishing factor in Eric's case might have been that the
    advertisers were already of mixed gender.

    As I noted in .8 I called the Globe on 1/12 said I wanted to place
    an ad for either male or female roommates and the lady that answered
    the phone said to quote her " Sorry, the Globe doesn't allow those
    ads in their paper." I didn't have the time to ask why but today
    I'll call back and ask why..... keep tuned to the same bat channel.....
    a different bat time....... but same bat day.......
    
                                         Lisa

    I just got off the phone with the Globe classified pages, I asked
    the woman why they don't allow females to advertise for roommates
    that are either gender and her reply was "" it's against Globe policy"
    My next question was to say" then the Globe is not as liberal as
    eveyone seems it is?" Her reply was "definetly not as liberal".
      Okay notes what do we do with this new info as of 1/13 8:55am
    by my watch????  stay tune same bat channel.........
    
    Lisa

    Re: .11
    
    Jon, sorry, I misinterpreted your basenote. I thought that you had
    been trying to specify M *or* F in your ad (not that I see anything
    wrong in that, either).
    
    Now I'm getting more confused, having read the last few notes.
    
    Is the Globe saying that an advertiser can't indicate that he/she
    is willing to have a roommate of either gender?
    
    I tried calling the Globe's ombudsman yesterday; there was no answer
    answer. I'll continue to try reaching him.      
    
      Alan

    I had the same problem when I was located out in Phoenix, working
    for PNO.  The Mainstream Newspaper The Phoenix Gazette (I think)
    had the same policy.  I think the problem did enter when I tried
    to use "male looking for M/F roomate."  The paper did allow "Person
    looking for M/F roomate" but a lot of inquiring people did hang
    up on me when they realized that I wasn't the same sex as they,
    some persons would hang up without saying anything, upon hearing
    me say hello.  It did cause me a lot of grief in picking up the
    phone, saying hello and then hearing "click" as the person hung
    up.  If the ground rules are similiar for the Globe as they were
    for the Phoenix paper, they are causing undue aggrevation and many
    unecessary phone calls at quite often inopportune times of the day
    and night.  I was wondering if someone at the Globe would be able
    and willing to reveal the underlying cause or reason for instating 
    this rule of theirs?   Is it based on an interpretation of some State 
    or Federal law or,was it devised by the board of directors because of some
    paranoic idea that placing an ad in that way might lead to repercussions?
     
    
    
    
    ERNIE
    

    Well, I just talked to the advertising manager of the Globe -
    he returned my call from this morning.
    
    The Globe's reason, according to him, for not allowing an advertiser
    who identifies his/her gender, to specify they are considering the
    possibility of looking for an opposite-gender roomie is the "moral"
    issue.
    
    As he put it: "Don't forget, the Globe is a good old Yankee paper,
    and some of those old morality issues still come into play". 
    
    He also mentioned, BTW, that the Globe does not accept ads for "even
    legitimate massage parlors".
    
      Alan

    Forgot about the good 'ole yankee I want the 1980's and 90's paper.
    So good-bye Globe hello ???? I want a paper that doesn't decide
    what is moral and what isn't moral for me. I am well over 18 and
    I served my country literally. If at the age of 18 I can go into
    the armed services of my own choice then I can decide what is and
    what isn't moral for me.
    
            Lisa
    

    
    
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    		There's always the Herald....8*)

>    If at the age of 18 I can go into the armed services of my own choice
>    then I can decide what is and what isn't moral for me. 
    
    Unfortunately, in real life it does not work that way.
    
    - Vikas