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604.1 | | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Wed Oct 12 1988 02:02 | 10 |
| hmm..
maybe I read this too quickly
but did I miss
proof by 'it is a fact'... with references supplied
Bonnie
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604.2 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Wed Oct 12 1988 02:59 | 7 |
| I think the case with references omitted is more popular.
There are also "fallacious refutations", such as "refutation by
insult", to be used when you can't come up with a good argument against
the assertion so you insult the author instead.
Steve
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604.3 | more refutations | YODA::BARANSKI | Down with Official Reality! | Wed Oct 12 1988 06:22 | 7 |
| Moreways to refute another persons notes:
refutation by simplistic statistics
refutation what you'd like to believe the other person said
refutation by silence
Jim.
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604.4 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Wed Oct 12 1988 10:56 | 4 |
| Oh, how could I forget...
Proof by lack of refutation
"Nobody argued against me, thus I must be right."
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604.5 | As if more proof were needed! | ULYSSE::JOHNSON | Just the place for a Snark! | Wed Oct 12 1988 11:40 | 10 |
| I love these!
Can I add proof by refutation of fallacious (or better still non-
existent) counter-proof:
"There is talk that YYYYYYYYY cannot be true because of XXXXXXXX,
well, I can prove to you that XXXXXXX is false so therefore
YYYYYYYYY can only be true!"
Ben.
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604.6 | Bronx Cheer | HANDY::MALLETT | Foole | Wed Oct 12 1988 13:29 | 7 |
| Being the effete, intellectual snob that I am, when all else
fails, I resort to the proof (or argument) by raspberry.
PFFFFFBBBLLT!
Steve
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604.7 | These may be subsets of the ones in .0 | BOOKLT::AITEL | Every little breeze.... | Thu Oct 13 1988 15:34 | 11 |
| Then there's proof by insulting the absent supporters of the
other side: You've gotta admit I'm right since Twitface believes
I'm wrong and you *know* he's always wrong.
And a subset, or superset, of the proof by quoting authority is
proof by divine intervention - "I know it because God told me."
Which goes with putting down disbelievers "of course you don't
believe it - God doesn't talk to you - you're allied with the
Devil anyhow"
Sigh.
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604.8 | Proof by analogy | GOSOX::RYAN | A relative human | Tue Oct 18 1988 20:15 | 12 |
| Some people can't seem to (or prefer not to) grasp that
analogy is a method of illustrating a concept, not a way to
prove the truth of the concept.
Proof by analogy is like baking a cake substituting
ingredients that look like the ones the recipe actually calls
for.
If you substitute baking powder for flour, you'll get a lousy
cake.
Therefore, proof by analogy doesn't work:-).
Mike
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604.9 | | RANCHO::HOLT | Robert Holt, UltrixAppsGp@UCO | Wed Oct 19 1988 03:47 | 2 |
|
How utterly profund.
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604.11 | | RETORT::RON | | Thu Oct 20 1988 15:10 | 11 |
|
Proof by belittling opponents:
"You would accept this if you knew a n y t h i n g !!!"
Proof by generalization:
"Everybody knows it's true."
Refute by negative generalization:
"If it's true, how come I've never heard it before?"
"If it's so good, how come it's never been done before?"
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604.12 | Proof By Sponsorship | VAXWRK::CONNOR | We are amused | Thu Oct 20 1988 17:03 | 3 |
| You know it's true. It has been advertised in
<your fav mag, or paper>
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604.13 | What was that again? | QUARK::LIONEL | Ad Astra | Thu Oct 20 1988 18:32 | 6 |
| One of the most perplexing proofs I have ever seen, in a recent
note. Let's call it "Proof by outrageousness":
"You're only arguing with me because you know I'm right"
Steve
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604.14 | and i can prove this! :-) | SALEM::SAWYER | Alien. On MY planet we reason! | Fri Oct 21 1988 16:55 | 16 |
| one person's fact is another's fiction...
one person's proof is another's mythical misconception...
one person's belief is another's humorous farce...
what one person understands totally another person just can't
see the logic in/of...
the obvious to one is oblivious to another...
maturity to one is naivity to another....
you have no idea how often i've asked myself...
"how could they possibly believe THAT!?"
while the person with the *silly belief* felt the same way about
my belief(s)...
and we both think we are right!!!
of course, i AM right and they ARE wrong! :-)
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604.15 | Makes sense to me. . . | HANDY::MALLETT | Split Decision | Sun Oct 23 1988 21:36 | 8 |
| The (paraphrased) Monty Python argument by confusion:
"I convinced that the majority of wrong-thinking people
are right; and anyone who thinks differently is wrong. . ."
Cleese/Idle/Palin et al.
Steve
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604.16 | Begging the question: | RETORT::RON | | Mon Oct 24 1988 14:30 | 15 |
|
Yesterday, I was reading a posting in one of the USENET groups.
This guy is trying to prove someone else is stupid. His argument
goes as follows (not in so many words...):
You are obviously stupid. Because stupid people produce
stupid replies, it follows that your posting was stupid.
Having established that your reply is stupid, we can now
conclude that you are stupid, because stupid replies are
produced by stupid people.
Iron clad proof, isn't it?
-- Ron
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604.17 | | HPSTEK::XIA | | Sat Oct 29 1988 22:44 | 9 |
| re -1
Are you sure the guy/gal did not mean it to be a joke :-)?
re .0
I saw that list when I was in the math department of U of I. At
the time we all thought that list was pretty funny because most
of the semantics in that list were commandly used (legitimately
of course) by mathematicians to prove theorems.
Eugene
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604.18 | He was dead serious | RETORT::RON | | Tue Nov 01 1988 16:21 | 0 |
604.19 | proof by deletion | MCIS2::POLLITZ | | Sun Nov 25 1990 21:49 | 36 |
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PROOF BY DELETION:
Applies to those professional researchers who devote 100 hours of
study to every topic they write.
Unsurprisingly, the research types write few topics but when they do
they average over 100 replies per topic, which is the case with this
author who has always sought "genuine discussion" in everything he's
written.
And gotten that discussion.
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mennotes: 178.140
183. 13
186. 8
197.115
215. 21
womannotes-v1 562. 67
605. 11
soapbox '88 165 'masculine values'
c.75 'toll booths'
'90 16 'globe sportswriter'
93.285
194.589
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1505 divided by 12 = 125+ ave.
Russ P.
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604.20 | | GUESS::DERAMO | Dan D'Eramo | Sun Nov 25 1990 23:23 | 12 |
| re .19,
>> 140 13 8 115 21 67 11 165 75 16 285 589
But if you sort those, you find the median is less than
100:
8 11 13 16 21 67 75 115 140 165 285 589
^^^
:-)
Dan
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604.21 | a discussion of means and medians. | MCIS2::POLLITZ | | Mon Nov 26 1990 01:04 | 14 |
|
re .20 Ah, yes, what's the other method .... take off the high and the
low:
Remove the 8 and 589, and we get a total of 908 to divide by 10.
90.8.
Tisk tisk, what a failure I am. :-)
Tell me, who else averages Ninety? This is a very serious question.
Russ
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