Conference quark::human_relations-v1

    Success is When all is said and done, looking back and saying I
    did my best, and some where some how I made this world and or someones
    life just a little bit better by being here. 
    If one person left behind, can honestly say, I will miss that person,
    for he made my laugh when I was crying, he made me see the rainbow
    in the rain, he gave me a shoulder to lean against when I did not have
    the strength to stand, then I will consider myself to have been,
    a success.

    success for me:
    
    	- having work I enjoy
    	- having enough money to cover most of my wants and all of my
	    needs
        - enough recognition that people listen when I speak and often
    	    ask my opinion
    
    Ann

    Did you ever see that advertisement, where the famous football(I
    believe that was the sport he played) was speaking to a group
    of people. He was asked what he wanted to be remembered most
    for. His response was that he wanted to be remembered as a 
    good dad by his children....

    Being considered a good Christian by God
    Being considered a good Father by my children
    Being considered a good Husband by my wife
    Being considered a good Friend by my friends
    Being considered a good employee by my employer
    Standing up for what I believe in regardless of what others say
    
    
    

    I don't know who said it first but it certainly fits this topic....
    
    	Happiness isetting what you want..
    	Success is wanting what you've got !!!
    
    S_Rat

    Working a 9 hour day, picking up my son at daycare, driving
    1 hour home, getting the baby calmed down and fed, starting
    dinner and throwing in a load of laundry - all before my husband
    gets home (he cleans up).  Doing this 5 days a week, 52 weeks
    a year.   
    
    

    .7
    
    Sounds good!

    if my 2 daughters become financially and emotionally independant
    and DON'T ever have any children....
    
    i will consider myself a success....
    
    and them, too...!

    Success is if I do my best to bring a little more happiness to the
    world.  Maybe it will be through my children (when I have some)
    or through friends, neighbors, workmates, or people that I meet.
    I'd like to die knowing that my life made a difference to someone,
    that I touched someone's heart and that person was better for it.
    
    - Larry
    
    Oh, Rik, I hope that your daughters (-.1) marry two fine men, have
    kids, and get everything they want out of life despite marriage. 

    I'm often surprised and delighted by my successes - and I think
    that is one of their hallmarks in my life.
    
    Success is when my channeled energies and creativities bring about
    something that is good for myself and good for others.
    
    I want to have my poetry published.
    
    I want to have a positive influence on children (my own or others').
    
    I suppose, in the words of that great philosopher (Emerson?  Thoreau?)
    success is leaving "footprints in the sands of time"...
    
    -Jody
    

    

    
    re.11
    Larry!!!
    what a cruel thing to say!!!
    :-)
    rik who-is-only-kidding

RE: .4

Isn't "Being considered a good <X> by <Y>", and "Standing up for what I believe
in regardless of what others say" a contradiction?  How do you handle that?

Jim.

    re .14
    
    Jim,  
    
    "Standing up for what I believe in regardless of what others
    say" is being true to yourself; it doesn't really have anything
    to do with offending others.  It's standing up for your beliefs;
    it's Integrity.  This could be one reason you would be considered
    a good <X> by <Y>.  [Y could be either someone you're standing up
    _for_, or someone you're standing up _to_.]
    
    It's a combination of integrity, consideration, empathy, and a lot
    of other things - no, not a contradiction.
    
    Pardon me for answering - it wasn't my reply you were questioning
    - I just thought I understood it, as I feel pretty much the same
    way.
    
    Paula
         

 being my word to the best of my abilities.

    being the best me that I want to be.......
    
    

    
    	If I can see that I have helped any person, place or thing to
    be *better* before it's time for me to go on, I can consider my
    part "a success" in life.
    
    	The girl who would give up life for me, now shines on her own.
    	The oak mantle covered with paint, now shows it's grain beneath
    	a glossy finish.
    	The instrument that "couldnt be played", now rings like a bell.
                        
    	Persistance leads you there every time.
    
    	Joe Jas

		There is no substitute for excellence...

		Not even success.

Melinda

    getting through this period in my life....
    	without causing too much pain to the *others* in my life
    
    and on to something better
    	for us all.
    
    
    tony

    To me, it's being the best "me" I can be--anyplace, anytime, and
    to continue to change and grow to the best of my ability.
    
    Barb

    A plaque on my wall reads "Success is failure turned inside out"

As an engineer in software testing ...

"My success is someone else's failure"

Think about it... I can't prove that software has no bugs and if I find no
bugs I can't prove that I'm doing a good job.  But, if I do find bugs I can
prove it does have bugs and I am doing a good job of uncovering them.  If
I find a bug that means someone else made a mistake...

My brain is convoluted :-)

Then again, "Today's failure is tomorrow's success".

Jim.

    RE:.14 Not to me it isn't.  It's done with being as understanding
    as I can be, comprimising, and admitting I'm wrong.  Sometimes I
    fail.
    
    Mike

    Success to me is taking time to smell the roses.  Appreciating the
    beauty of the world we live in.  Not taking things to seriously.
    Loving my self and everyone else.

    
    On my wall at home hangs a picture with this quote which say's
    it best for me.  The quote is by Theodore Roosevelt.
    
    "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out 
    where the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could
    have done better.  The credit belongs to the man who is actually
    in the arena, whose face is marred with dust and sweat and blood...
    At the best, he knows the triumph of high achievement; if he fails,
    at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall
    never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory
    nor defeat."
    

    Success to me is the ability to acheive failure...
    
    		...and survive it
    
    Because only through failure, and the lessons learned from it, will
    I become truely successful.
    
    my opinion,
    jim
    

    It has been said that "Success is a string of failures" to reach
    a desired goal....
    
            
    There's a neat story below.  When you think of "great" presidents,
    who do you think of?  When you ask that question, Abe Lincoln will
    usually come to people's mind.  But Abe had a string of failures
    that most people are not aware of.  We don't remember Abe for his
    failures.  We remember him for his success!  But, let's look at
    his background....
    
              	1831 FAILED IN BUSINESS
    		1832 DEFEATED FOR THE LEGISLATURE
    		1832 WENT BANKRUPT FOR THE SECOND TIME
    		1834 ELECTED TO THE LEGISLATURE
    		1836 VOTED OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE
    		1838 DEFEATED FOR SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
    		1840 DEFEATED FOR NATIONAL ELECTOR
    		1843 DEFEATED FOR CONGRESS
    		1846 ELECTED TO THE CONGRESS
    		1848 DEFEATED FROM CONGRESS
    		1855 DEFEATED FOR THE SENATE
    		1856 DEFEATED FOR VICE PRESIDENT
    		1858 BEATEN AGAIN FOR THE SENATE
    		1860 ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    
    Yes, we remember Abe Lincoln for his victories, but it was a string
    of "defeats" which took him to those victories which led him to
    become not only president of the United States, but one of the most
    popular presidents of the United States.
    
    Dwight

    re .5
    
    The person who said this is the founder of est -- whose name escapes
    me at the moment.
    
    sandy

est was founded by Werner Erhardt (spelling not guaranteed).  The only
people I ever met who had been through est were an american couple living
in West Berlin in the same building as me (1977).




					Nigel

    
    I had a roomie in university who was an Estie.
    
    The man was insufferably arrogant. It made him
    super macho and a "me-firster". 
    
    Maybe he was that way already... 

     Werner (and a *LOT* of other people) have said that (.5).  I'm not 
     certain that Werner was the 1st, though he may have been.

     EST is now called the FORUM (and I believe tuition is $450.)

     From what I've seen at their introductory event, and from talking
     about it with graduates, the training seems to present the premise
     that achieving goals creates a feeling of success;  <and that
     achieving the goal of enrolling large numbers of people in the
     FORUM creates the greatest success  <;)  >
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     For me, success is getting up 1 more time than I fall down.

    Success:
    
    Picking yourself up, dusting yourself off, one more time then you
    have fallen.

    RE: .35
    
    Mike, I have the WSJ delivered to me everyday at work, and I can
    assure you its not the definition of success...  It usually the
    definition of some poor soul being required by some MBA instructor
    that s/he will be tested on it at mid-term and finals time....
    
    Anytime you want to read it, drop by my desk :-)

    
    I thought about this for a while and could not come up with anything
    tangable but this:
    
    Being able to get up in the morning, and looking foward to what
    the day will bring.
    
    John
    
   

    
    
    
    Success to me is to have something deliver to my office via UPS,
    FEDEX, etc. (mail order).
    
    peter
    

    
    Success is porting an app to the <mumble> ws and having the
    customer say that its 2x the speed of a Sun 4...

               Persistence...
               
               "Nothing in the world can take the
                place of persistence.  Talent will 
                not; nothing is more common than 
                unsuccessful men with talent.
                Genius will not; unrewarded genius
                is almost proverb.  Education will
                not; the world is full of educated
                derelicts.  Persistence and 
                determination alone are omnipotent."
               
               			- Calvin Coolidge

               

I like what Ralph Waldo Emerson said in "What is Success?"
    
    To laugh often and much;
    
    To win the respect of intelligent people 
    and the affection of children;
    
    To earn the appreciation of honest critics and
    endure the betrayal of false friends;
    
    To appreciate beauty;
                
    To find the best in others;
    
    To leave the world a bit better, whethter by
    a healthy child, a garden patch or a
    redeemed social condition;
    
    To know even one life has breathed 
    easier because you have lived;
    
    This is to have succeeded.
    
    
    ** It says it all to me.  His placement of certain words says it
    all - "intelligent people", "affection of children", "one life has
    breathed easier because you have lived".  
    
    I may never know my success with my scouts - but I can only hope
    that I've made a difference in their young lives.
    
    -denise