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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

207.0. "International Romance (?)" by RTVAX::CANNOY (Go where your heart leads you.) Wed Feb 11 1987 12:48

    I am posting this for a person who wishes to remain anonymous. When
    responding please remember the Digital is a multi-national corporation,
    with citizens of many countries working together. 
                                                     
    
    
       Does anyone know if some  people,  who in their desire to become 
       citizens of another country, would tend  to  date,  and  marry a 
       citizen of that country, so they could increase their own chance 
       of becoming a citizen ?

       My  reason for asking so, is because  I  have  become  close  to 
       someone,  from another country, and I have some  concerns  about 
       the  possibility  that  their  "affection"  may  be as much  for 
       "coming to my country", as it is for myself.
       
       While this is not "unique" to any  one country, in that many 
       countries are seen as more desirable than others; perhaps  there 
       are others who can lend their thoughts to this discussion  based 
       on personal  experiences  or  on  experiences  shared  by  their 
       friends.

       I realize that  there  have  been  many  successful international 
       romances between DEC employees;    but  I  would like to know if 
       anyone is aware of any  situations that were less than what we'd 
       expect (hope for) ?
       
       
    
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207.2easyPRISM::CICCOLINIWed Feb 11 1987 18:062
    Suggest living in the other person's country or even a third
    country as a possibility after the marriage and gauge the reaction.
207.3no noCEODEV::FAULKNERmy sharonaThu Feb 12 1987 13:196
    I have heard several female employees say that they have been offered
    money to marry someone to help them stay in America.
    I think the entire business is bad and noone should get involved
    in it.
    The fed's really frown on it.
    
207.4some silly fed law or somethingVINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziThu Feb 12 1987 16:095
    I think there is a law somewhere about marrying just to become a
    citizen (fr the US). It is something like youhave to live together
    for a year after the marriage before you can become a citizen.
    
    Mike
207.5You're in trouble alreadyQUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Feb 12 1987 17:1219
    Pragmatic aspects - the INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service)
    has recently been cracking down on what it thinks are fraudulent
    marriages arranged solely for the purpose of gaining entry to the
    U.S. for the foreign-born spouse.  They have several guidelines
    they go by, and some of these trip up couples who truly did marry
    for love.  If you're really interested, you could write the INS
    and ask.
    
    Personal opinion - if you are in a state where you can harbor such
    suspicions about your new-found partner, then your relationship
    is already off to a very rocky start.  No amount of "testing" is
    going to convince you - you'll be constantly looking for evidence
    to justify your suspicions, which may end up being a self-fulfilling
    prophecy.
    
    My advice is to drop her and look for someone else you can have
    DIFFERENT suspicions about - it's lots of fun --- isn't it?
    
    					Steve
207.6GOJIRA::PHILPOTTCSSE/Lang. & Tools, ZK02-1/N71, DTN 381-2525, WRU #338Fri Feb 13 1987 20:2116
    Let me invert the problem: I have been living here (in New Hampshire)
    for nearly two years now, however I am on a temporary visa (L-1).
    
    On a couple of occasions I have been reluctant to let my feelings towards
    a woman be known, because of the fact that I am afraid she will suspect
    that all I want from her is a green card.
    
    I know it is probably an irrational reaction, but I am not sure that
    it is not a natural one.
    
    re .4: you have to live together for a year after arrival in the US
    or marriage (whichever is later) before getting permanent resident status,
    not citizenship, I believe.
    
    /. Ian .\
207.7BE CAREFUL!!!!!NRLABS::TATISTCHEFFSat Feb 14 1987 16:3215
    I know, you know that already.
    
    For someone to get US citizenship via marriage  is a long and hard
    process, esp if the "alien" is from a third world country.
    
    When I was in France, I got several "proposals" for "marriage blanc".
    A friend had a lover get very insistent about marrying her, then
    she finally got him to admit that it was for a green card.  She
    was hurt awfully badly.
    
    Suggesting to live somewhere other than the US is a _very_ good idea.
    
    My $.02 --
    
    Lee
207.8new law COGITO::RAMACHANDRANRam Ramachandran, CAD/CAM Engr, CADM GroupMon Feb 23 1987 16:1515
	Immigration and Naturalization Services has recently passed a law
	which considers any marriage to a US citizen or Resident Alien
	by someone who is neither to be fraudulent to begin with.  

	In case a marriage does occur, the 
	spouse is given a temporary green card for a period of two years
	and at the end of the 2 year period, the spouse has to prove that
	the marriage is still valid, and obtain a permanant green card.

	I believe this law came about because of the numerous cases
	of fraud marriages.  Of course, this law could also be abused
	by some parties.