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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

72.0. "Let's hear it for the Moderators" by ATFAB::REDDEN (sure 'nuf 2B uncertain) Sat Sep 20 1986 13:46

    This is a valuable conference.  It has provided me with an effective
    mechanism for understanding norms, mores and folksways within the
    DEC (particularly Greater Boston) culture.  I spent 10 years in
    field offices and customer sites, successfully ignoring that culture.
    Over the past 4 months, I have, with some trepidation, attempted
    to broaden my ability to contribute by understanding the corporate
    environment.  This conference, which is made up of people, has been
    the single most effective source of information on cultural aspects.
    I want to express my appreciation to the moderators for their efforts
    in directing and facilitating, and to DEC, for providing the facility.
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72.2Relations makes a differencePYONS::TAVARESStay low and keep moving...Mon Sep 22 1986 15:216
    This conference is making a difference in my life, both at work,
    and at home.  Because of what I am learning here, I am participating
    in my workspace in a more harmonious manner, and am finding ways
    to increase my contribution to the company.  Recent topics here
    have forced me to become "unstuck" about my attitudes toward my
    career, and to reexamine my direction.  Thank you.
72.3This is nirvana without the mountain!JUNIPR::DMCLUREVaxnote your way to ubiquityTue Sep 23 1986 02:1316
	This notefile has helped me to understand more about other people
    (as well as myself) than any magazine, newspaper, survey, or textbook
    I have ever read.  Having been both a regular reader as well as contrib-
    utor, I have managed to fullfill one of my main goals in life, that being
    to make a few friends and really learn what makes them tick.

	If any one notesfile best personifies DEC-Culture, I think that this
    one would have to be it.  Beyond DEC, however, there are many things which
    are covered here which can benefit humanity as a whole, and even those
    creatures which are not human.  Perhaps even the human spirit itself can
    and does benefit from this notesfile.  Steve, have you monitored the notes
    server to see whether any supernatural nodes are listening in?  ;^)

							-davo

    p.s.  Long live the Human Relations notesfile!
72.4Long distance connections?QUARK::LIONELReality is frequently inaccurateTue Sep 23 1986 02:3514
    Re .3:
    
    > Steve, have you monitored the notes
    > server to see whether any supernatural nodes are listening in?  ;^)

    Hmm - I HAD wondered about the connects from the node with an
    unpronounceable name and a node number that displayed as asterisks...
    
    HUMAN_RELATIONS lives - see a note which I am about to write
    
    					Steve
    
    P.S.  Don't let that stop you from replying to this note!  We love
    it!
72.7An electronic Gregorian Chant, perhaps?ATFAB::REDDENsure 'nuf 2B uncertainWed Sep 24 1986 00:0812
    Y'all,
    
    	If I was a King, I would consider a facility that allowed
    stressed subjects to deal with their stress in more effective ways
    to be valuable.  I think this file is such a facility, and the King
    should understand that the moderators and participants are heavily
    invested in keeping it that way.  Does anyone have a notion of how
    we can chant that message in unison for emphasis.
    
    							bob
    
  
72.8LONG LIVE H_R!!!!!!!!!MMO01::PNELSONlonging for TopekaWed Sep 24 1986 02:2011
    I believe I can speak for many who lived through the bloody demise
    of SEXCETERA when I say "thank you" for the effort the moderators
    have put into preserving what we have here.  It is obvious that
    the right lessons were learned from our previous experience (if
    you weren't around, reserve a couple of long evenings and read DIGITAL
    Note 111).  I can only imagine the time our moderators must have
    devoted to the issue at hand, and the heartburn they must have
    experienced while trying to save our conference.  So here's a really
    sincere "thanks" to the three of you!
    
    						Pat
72.9Not so much bearing the brunt as copingHUMAN::BURROWSJim BurrowsWed Sep 24 1986 03:5235
        Understand that it wasn't us moderators vs. them management. It
        really felt much more like us 'n them against a really tough
        situation. Things were done that oughtn't to have been done and
        they had been brought to the formal attention of the system and
        the system needed to fix it without doing more damage to the
        conference, to the involved parties, to the uninvolved parties
        or to DEC culture. 
        
        Regarding the "King" being more understanding. Realize that
        corporate policy is not made in a vacuum. A lot of it is
        required by the legal system and the culture we're in. Some of
        it is required by the ethical standards of the corporation. If
        someone has be hurt by what was said in a conference, then the
        corporation and the moderators have to redress that. And before
        you say no one was hurt, you don't know that. I know a lot more
        of the details (though not all--it isn't my business eiter) and
        people were hurt by this or felt hurt by this and that's a kind
        of hurt of its own. I will not reveal details but I will ask you
        not to judge what you don't know. 
        
        There's a great tendancy to paint the "Evil Net-Police" as
        villains or to demean the motives of people who complain or to
        disdain the people who must deal with the complaint. Well, I
        wasn't in personal contact with everyone, and I don't have all the
        details, but no-one I did contact looked like a villain, and
        none of the ones I heard about sounded like villains. I saw no
        malice in the way the complaint was handled. 
        
        The support here has been heartening, by the way. Thank you all.
        If you can maintain it it will help at all. If you can
        understand it that will help. If you can realize that what you
        say and do can touch and hurt others and take care to minimize
        the pain and maximize the support that will help. 
        
        JimB.
72.10Suggestion re. 1.6STAR::MURPHYdown the foggy ruins of time...Wed Sep 24 1986 17:3915
I see by 1.6 where the moderators have volunteered to take on additional
work by supporting anonymous entries.  That's great for the conference
-- I just hope the moderators aren't overworked in the process.

I would make one suggestion however -- that the entries be pseudononymous
rather than anonymous so that multiple entries by the same person can
be associated with one another.  Here's a possible mechanism: when a
person first wishes to make a pseudononymous entry, s/he picks a unique
pseudonym and puts it in the text at the beginning of the note.  
Any and all subsequent entries should use this same pseudonym, which
the moderator(s) can easily verify.

[this suggestion also being mailed to the moderators.]

Dan Murphy
72.11Great notesfile and great moderators!!!BIZET::COCHRANESend lawyers, guns and money.Wed Sep 24 1986 19:3617
    This was the first conference I "dared" to note in when
    I started.  I've enjoyed every minute from the first
    word I've written!
    
    The friends I've met and the support I've gotten has
    been wonderful!
    
    Any notefile that's this warm and encouraging *should*
    be allowed to continue.
    
    Three cheers for our moderators for perserving something
    we all care about!!!!
    
    Human_Relations *will* live!!!
    
    Mary-Michael
    
72.12QUARK::LIONELReality is frequently inaccurateWed Sep 24 1986 20:287
    Re .10:
        I think this is a great idea.  I think the moderators should
    suggest choice of a pseudonym if one is not provided.
    
        I have no feel yet for how much work this will be.  Time will
    tell.
    					Steve
72.14Thanx a lot!!!SSDEVO::DENHAMWaiting to form or join a VAXclusterSun Sep 28 1986 21:585
    I too, would like to thank Tamzen, Steve, and Jim for their efforts
    in the continued existance of this file.
    
    Kathleen