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Title: The PDP11 conference
Notice:This is an MDNF -- Management Disinterest Notes File
Moderator:ATLANT::SCHMIDT
Created:Thu Sep 11 1986
Last Modified:Fri May 30 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1162
Total number of notes:4942

1161.0. "RT11 Thorn , Boot , restore" by SCASS1::BERNAL (We all smile at 5:00 pm) Wed Apr 30 1997 22:34

    	I am currently wori=king on a PDP 1123+ running RT11 version 5.4c
    
    	The system is used as fire / alarm system . The oem is THORN .
    
    	Whathas happend is that , we lost the RD51 fixed disk and I am
    
    	having lots of fun trying to retore the operating system .
    
    	As part of the maint procedures , the site does a restore of the
    
    	files from RD51=DU0 to RL02=DL0 .  The command procedure is ,
    
    	init/rep/seg:1 dl0:
    	copy du0: dl0:
    
    	Any ideas what the diffrent switches in the INIT are "/rep/seg:1"
    
    	This copy only copies the "*.DAT" files , no system files .
    
    	The restore procedure is
    
    	INIT/SEG:1 du0:
    	copy dl0: du0:
        DUP3B du0:A=du0:IPLPGM.SAV/U   <---- THIS file does not allow boot
    
    			I can copy/boot du0:thorn.sys du0: then system
    		boots but not the way the customer had it before this .
    		
    	And of course , the INit in this procedure wipes out all data in
        DU0: , and when you restore from DL0 to DU0 you only put the
        .dat files no boot block .
    
    
    	Anyways that is where I am at any IDeas or Hints , 
    
    thanks
    Frank Bernal
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>    	init/rep/seg:1 dl0:
>    	copy du0: dl0:

init = initialize
	initializes a new RT-11 directory structure on a volume

/rep = /replace
	does a bad block scan and builds a replacement table which
	goes into the home block, block 1

/seg:1 = /segments:1
	An RT-11 directory consists of one or more segments (each
	segment is two blocks) up to a max of 31 segments.  Each
	segment has enough room for up to about 72 standard-sized
	directory entries (each entry defines a file).  In each
	segment, two directory entries are used for overhead (end
	of segment and free space).    
    
>    	This copy only copies the "*.DAT" files , no system files .

	If you have more than 70 or so .DAT files, it won't
	copy them all.  The default number of segments for an
	RD and RL volume is 31 segments.  Personally, I would
	get rid of the /SEG:1 option on those command lines...  A
	full-sized directory (31 segments) only costs 62 blocks.
    
>    	The restore procedure is
>    
>    	INIT/SEG:1 du0:
>    	copy dl0: du0:
>       DUP3B du0:A=du0:IPLPGM.SAV/U   <---- THIS file does not allow boot
    
	DUP3B?  There is no standard RT-11 utility called DUP3B.  The
	standard RT-11 utility is DUP.  I would suspect that they have
	somehow altered it and use the altered utility.

	Also, .SAV files are normally not used as the system image
	(although there is no reason why not, so long as it truly
	is an RT-11 system image)

>	I can copy/boot du0:thorn.sys du0: then system
>	boots but not the way the customer had it before this .

	They may have had a STARTx.COM file which started up the
	application program which they expect.

>    	And of course , the INit in this procedure wipes out all data in
>        DU0: , and when you restore from DL0 to DU0 you only put the
>        .dat files no boot block .
    
	I would find out if they have the original installation disks
	or if they have ever done a *system* backup.
    
>    	Anyways that is where I am at any IDeas or Hints , 

	Feel free to contact me off-line about this, I was a former
	developer of RT-11 for 15 years...

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1161.2RT11- What a great system.. Still around ..SCASS1::BERNALWe all smile at 5:00 pmThu May 01 1997 15:517
    	Thanks for the reply Megan . What we wound up doing was finding
    	an OLD system disk and then we did a restore of the hard disk .
    
    	The customer had an RL02 controller problem , so the data was
    	not being backed up .
    
    	Frank