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Title:Movie Reviews and Discussion
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Created:Thu Jan 28 1993
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962.0. "Powder" by ONOFRE::SKELLY_JO () Mon Oct 30 1995 01:39

    Powder, as he comes to be called, is an albino, born somewhat prematurely
    when his mother is struck and killed by lightening. Immediately he exhibits
    unusual brain patterns as he apparently reacts to his father walking
    bitterly away, crying "He's not my son." Fifteen years later, we find him
    (Sean Patrick Flanery), hairless and hiding from the sheriff (Lance
    Henriksen) who has come to investigate the death of Powder's grandfather.
    Not yet having seen him, but suspecting a family secret, possibly a
    retarded child long kept hidden by parental shame, the sheriff enlists the
    aid of a counselor (Mary Steenburgen) from a nearby bad boys home. Actually
    it's not clear what her job is or why these boys are institutionalized, but
    no matter, she serves to bring long-sheltered Powder into the world where
    his strange appearance is matched only by his strange abilities. Needless
    to say, most people are frightened of him, most except of course the
    science teacher (played with his usual eccentricity by Jeff Goldblum) who
    demonstrates his respect for methodical scientific inquiry by instantly
    connecting the boy's hairlessness with an inexplicable electrical accident
    and asserting "He IS electrolysis!" 

    It's hard to say what genre this movie is an example of. It's a rejected
    messiah myth, but I'm not sure what other movies to compare it to.  It's
    grossly sentimental, which doesn't appeal to my tastes at all. Just in case
    you're busily eating popcorn and might miss the full emotional impact the
    director is pushing for, crescendos of loud, straining violins mark every
    potentially tearful scene for you. I thought it was all a bit much. 

    I can't really figure out what the movie was actually for, what it's point
    was. It was sort of like an overblown episode of the Twilight Zone or Star
    Trek, using rather silly science fiction and sentiment to stress some
    streak of nobility in the human spirit. I suppose it was just meant to make
    us cry, but feel good. 

    I have to give it thumbs down, but cautiously because it's not an entirely
    awful movie. The story just didn't engage me. If you're the kind of person
    that enjoys a lot of violins, blatant attempts to manipulate your
    emotions, and fairy-tale messages about human potential, you might enjoy
    this more than I did.

    John
    
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962.12155::michaudThe FlyMon Oct 30 1995 03:129
> .... and might miss the full emotional impact the
> director is pushing for, ....

	Speaking of the director, some groups started boycotting this
	movie (and/or Disney) before it opened because the director
	had is alleged to of mollested a child not too long ago
	(or was it a couple of years ago?) on the set of another movie.

	Maybe he's trying to follow in Woody's footsteps ....
962.2We liked it!REFDV1::MURPHYSymbolic stack dump follows...Mon Oct 30 1995 13:5016
    It was like Nell, with special effects.  Lots of similarities; One
    word title, the name of the primary character. a special child that 
    is found after his/her parent or guardian dies.  Two people 
    for different reasons attach to the child and try to make things
    better.  Although "Nell" stuck to the point and was a much better 
    story, my wife and I were enormously entertained by "Powder".  Of
    course, this was the first time we had been out without our 18 month
    old in months! We probably would have been entertained byu "True Lies"
    for that matter :-) (no... just kidding) 
    
    Powder was one of those "feel good -- feel bad -- feel good again --
    ooops... feel bad again (and so on)" movies that has the potential of 
    being very entertaining.
    
    Steve
    
962.3convicted child molesterGUESS::DOUCETTEMore Chuck for the buck!Mon Oct 30 1995 13:5812
The director of Powder is a convicted child molester who video taped
at least one victim.

The child who he molested is now in his 20s and is protesting the release
of the film.

Others are joining in the protest.

Disney states that the director has served his jail term and (at least for now)
stands behind him.

Chuck
962.5BUSY::SLABOUNTYGot into a war with reality ...Mon Oct 30 1995 14:135
    
    	Note 910 could be used for "spoiler" discussions.
    
    	[Non-moderator, but I care a heck of alot.  8^)]
    
962.6not meSWAM1::MEUSE_DATue Oct 31 1995 01:1713
    
    After listening to the kid that was molested by the director of this 
    film, I will pass on seeing it. Molested from age 8 to age 12.
    
    15 months for 4 years of molesting is a crime in itself. All the 
    work of some high priced lawyers.
    
    Let the pervert take somebody else's money.
    
    Walt would have canned the guy.
    
    
    
962.72155::michaudRichard NixonTue Oct 31 1995 04:5523
> After listening to the kid that was molested by the director of this 
> film, I will pass on seeing it.

	I hope you also pass on going to Catholic churches because
	of the number of priests who are also child molestors? ....

> Let the pervert take somebody else's money.

	.... the point being this director already has his money.
	Boycotting this film won't have the desired effect ....

> Walt would have canned the guy.

	.... as Disney from what I've heard didn't know about the
	directors criminal record until last week ....

	In any case everyone should know by now that boycotting films
	help a film by giving it free publicity (remember "Nine
	Months" with Huey, a film that would of completely bombed
	had it not been for Divine Brown).  As the Digital marketing
	person said in a presentation I was at several years ago ...

		"Any publicity is good publicity"
962.8SPSEG::COVINGTONserpent deflectorTue Oct 31 1995 12:543
    >    Walt would have canned the guy.
    
    Or caned him.
962.9UHUH::MARISONScott MarisonTue Oct 31 1995 13:3921
I can't speak for the original noter, but... my comments...

>> After listening to the kid that was molested by the director of this 
>> film, I will pass on seeing it.
>
>	I hope you also pass on going to Catholic churches because
>	of the number of priests who are also child molestors? ....

I know I would pass on going to a church if the speaking priest was known
to have molested kids... You anology is flawed - the original noter didn't
say he'll pass on all movies, just the one directed by this director.

>> Let the pervert take somebody else's money.
>
>	.... the point being this director already has his money.
>	Boycotting this film won't have the desired effect ....

Unless boycotting the film causes the film company to loose money in which
case film companies may no longer wish to use that director.

/scott
962.102155::michaudMichael JacksonTue Oct 31 1995 17:3429
>>> After listening to the kid that was molested by the director of this 
>>> film, I will pass on seeing it.
>>	I hope you also pass on going to Catholic churches because
>>	of the number of priests who are also child molestors? ....
> I know I would pass on going to a church if the speaking priest was known
> to have molested kids... You anology is flawed - the original noter didn't
> say he'll pass on all movies, just the one directed by this director.

	Analogy is not flawed, you just missed the analogy in the contect
	of my whole reply.  In this analogy Disney, the company that will
	be hurt (and the actors, etc etc) , is no different than the church.

	The protests should be directed specifically at the director, not
	at the innocent also involved in the project.  Another analogy.
	If your sibling robbed a bank and murdered the guard, your sibling
	is the one to blame, not necessary you and your entire family.

> Unless boycotting the film causes the film company to loose money in which
> case film companies may no longer wish to use that director.

	This would would fine on the *next* project this director tries
	to do.  But I haven't heard one accusation that said that Disney
	knew of this directors past until after the film was made.

	This is without even bringing up the subject of whether of
	not the real criminal (the person who was the director)
	has paid their debt to society and whether or not they
	are reabilitated...... (or whether the real criminal is
	this person, or was this person just a victum themselves ....)
962.11BUSY::SLABOUNTYConsume feces and expire.Tue Oct 31 1995 17:588
    
	>If your sibling robbed a bank and murdered the guard, your sibling
	>is the one to blame, not necessary you and your entire family.
    
    	Bad analogy.  Her problems are a direct result of her up-bringing.
    
    	And if you don't believe me, wait until the trial.
    
962.12BSS::BRUNOBurly Computer NerdWed Nov 01 1995 12:0212
             <<< Note 962.10 by 2155::michaud "Michael Jackson" >>>

>>	Analogy is not flawed, you just missed the analogy in the contect
>>	of my whole reply.  In this analogy Disney, the company that will
>>	be hurt (and the actors, etc etc) , is no different than the church.
    
         Still flawed.  Boycotting this director's film can reasonably only
    be compared to boycotting particular priests' masses, NOT the entire
    Catholic church.  Disney is not being suggested for boycott, therefore 
    their injury is limited to the scope of their employment of this director.
    
                                   Greg       
962.13sidetrackingREFDV1::MURPHYSymbolic stack dump follows...Wed Nov 01 1995 12:349
    alright then... 
    lets move this conversation to the flawed analogy notesconference
    (RATHLE::FLAWED_ANALOGY), not to be confused with the Food Allergy 
    notesconference (MANGE::FOOD_ALLERGY)
    
    This is a discussion about the movie "Powder".
    
    :-)
    Steve
962.14S&E gave thumbs downREFDV1::MURPHYSymbolic stack dump follows...Thu Nov 09 1995 12:4012
    
    Siskel and Ebert really hated it.
    
    They sited that no one seemed to get the point.  Here's a guy who can 
    absorb electricity and perform sensational tricks - and everyone still
    hates him.
    
    I admit... it's sensational, and full of holes, but it's entertaining.
    Don't listen to everything you hear.
    
    
    Steve